Tracy McGrady

[DAF86]

Who thinks that T-Mac has 0 BBIQ, is a ballhog and instead of doing what he needs to do to help his team win he just tries to get his numbers.
Take yesterday's game as example he scored 32 pts. but needed to take 31 fg attemps to do it and of course his team lost. He needs to realize that houston and every team in the world plays better when they play as a team and don't have a jackass trying to be "the man" while shooting 33% from the field.

[Findog]

Who thinks that T-Mac has 0 BBIQ, is a ballhog and instead of doing what he needs to do to help his team win he just tries to get his numbers.

I don't.

[hater]

Tmac is a great passer.

if he sucks at anything it's defense

[DAF86]

Tmac is a great passer.

if he sucks at anything it's defense

It doesn't matter if you take 30 shots per game.

[N4th4n]

It doesn't matter if you take 30 shots per game.

So is this the only T-mac game you have ever watched? I am going to go with yes, because otherwise you would have never made this tread. If you quietly leave we will forgive you.

[DAF86]

So is this the only T-mac game you have ever watched? I am going to go with yes, because otherwise you would have never made this tread. If you quietly leave we will forgive you.

I look at the box score every game and i watch every game i can. It's not the first time he takes 30 shots and makes only 10 or 12

[N4th4n]

I look at the box score every game and i watch every game i can. It's not the first time he takes 30 shots and makes only 10 or 12

That is not good for you, now you have gone from being ignorant, to be an idiot. I'm sorry :depressed

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

A big part of the 22 game win streak was that T-Mac was feeding his team mates and they were actually making shots. Rafer Alston in particular was playing out of his mind. Their 3-5 mark since the end of the streak is due in large part to those role players coming back down to earth. He's up against the same wall right now that he was in Orlando. He's can be a great passer (I think he was averaging 6 and a half assists per game last year under a pretty slow Yao driven Van Gundy offense) but who is he supposed to pass to?

[dirk4mvp]

You'd think he has some bball iq after leading his team in that long winning streak without their franchise center :rolleyes

[Xylus]

If Amare took 30 shots in a game, he'd score 70 points.

[DAF86]

A big part of the 22 game win streak was that T-Mac was feeding his team mates and they were actually making shots. Rafer Alston in particular was playing out of his mind. Their 3-5 mark since the end of the streak is due in large part to those role players coming back down to earth. He's up against the same wall right now that he was in Orlando. He's can be a great passer (I think he was averaging 6 and a half assists per game last year under a pretty slow Yao driven Van Gundy offense) but who is he supposed to pass to?

I agree with the first part he was feeding his teammates and that's why they were winnig.
But then he stopped doing that. if his teammates aren't making shots the solution isn't taking 24 ft fade away jumpers with 2 guys on you. He needs to keep feeding his teammates until they get in rythm and take his shot when he has to.
And the answer to your last question is: to anyone who's open.
oh and by the way Scola scored 20 on 9 fg attemps so isn't like every other rocket sucked yesterday.

[DAF86]

That is not good for you, now you have gone from being ignorant, to be an idiot. I'm sorry :depressed

Why don't you try posting your thoughts on this topic instead of making an dumbass out of yourself by insulting someone who's trying to have a civilize discussion?

[DAF86]

You'd think he has some bball iq after leading his team in that long winning streak without their franchise center :rolleyes

Do you remember that earlier this season when Mcgrady was injured the rockets (found their identity as a team) and went in a pretty good streak also and most of the rockets fans were asking to trade McGrady?
that's why when he cameback he changed his mind and stopped beign such a ballhog but lately he's returned to his old selfish mode.

[rAm]

If Amare took 30 shots in a game, he'd score 70 points.

I would disagree, Amare takes all the shots he can IMO.

By that I mean, all the shots where Nash gives him the ball in a perfect position where he can jump really high and dunk.

[stretch]

If Amare took 30 shots in a game, he'd score 70 points.
Wrong.

He has shot 30+ shots twice. In those two games, he scored 42 and 34 points.

Not quite 70.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I would disagree, Amare takes all the shots he can IMO.

By that I mean, all the shots where Nash gives him the ball in a perfect position where he can jump really high and dunk.
A year or two ago I would have absolutely agreed with you, but STAT's stepped up his offensive diversity this season. His mid range jumper has gotten even better and he's started putting some polish on his post up and drives. He's not just a one trick pony anymore.

Personally I think if Stoudemire tried taking 30 shots a game Shaq would swallow him whole in the locker room for taking touches away from The Big Cactus.

[Findog]

Historically, the Rockets have done better when TMac plays and Yao is out than vice versa. TMac is not a selfish player.

[monosylab1k]

If Amare took 30 shots in a game, he'd score 70 points.
he'd be completely unaware of it though since he can't count that high.

[DAF86]

Historically, the Rockets have done better when TMac plays and Yao is out than vice versa. TMac is not a selfish player.

This year the rockets started playing like an elite team when McGrady went down with an injury. And that's because they started to play as a team. Do you think that they would've done that with yao out and McGrady taking 30 shots per game 'cause he thinks he needs to carry the team? the rockets were lucky that before Yao, T-Mac was the one who got injured and they were able to find their identity as team during that stretch.

[Xylus]

Wrong.

He has shot 30+ shots twice. In those two games, he scored 42 and 34 points.

Not quite 70.
I was being facetious, but just out of curiosity, when were those two games?

[timvp]

I'd like to solve the puzzle.

TMac : Scola :: Parker : Ginobili

[Xylus]

I went and looked for myself to see when Amare Stoudemire shot 30 shots in one game. Both games occurred in the 2004-2005 WCF against the San Antonio Spurs, when the Spurs tried to shut everyone down defensively and let Amare go one-on-one with Duncan.

That occurred 3 years ago, when Amare wasn't nearly as polished offensively. Nice try, stretch, but you failed miserably. Amare is better today than he was in 2005, by leaps and bounds.

Realistically, I think if Amare took 30 FGA in a game now, he'd rack up 55 or more easily.

[DAF86]

I'd like to solve the puzzle.

TMac : Scola :: Parker : Ginobili

when did i say something about parker? i think you confused me with another guy. Please don't try to disqualify me as an objective poster just because i think (like several BB specialists) that Ginobili is a good defender.
Give me ONE example where i said something that's not even reasonable and it's clearly BS 'cause i'm from Argentina. You won't find any so please leave me alone.

[Findog]

This year the rockets started playing like an elite team when McGrady went down with an injury. And that's because they started to play as a team.

They began finally clicking and adjusting to Adelman's system. Correlation does not equal causation.


Do you think that they would've done that with yao out and McGrady taking 30 shots per game 'cause he thinks he needs to carry the team?

Considering they kept their streak going for another 8 games by playing defense and running Adelman's motion offense, the answer is yes. So he took 30 FGA in one game. So what? What's your point? One game does not a player make.


the rockets were lucky that before Yao, T-Mac was the one who got injured and they were able to find their identity as team during that stretch

Yeah, the Rockets were really lucky that their best player missed significant time with injuries. :rolleyes Maybe if he hadn't gotten hurt, they would have won a few more games and have a firm grip on the #1 seed.

They would've come together regardless.

[DAF86]

They began finally clicking and adjusting to Adelman's system. Correlation does not causation.equal

If you ask rockets fans at that time almost everyone would've said that the reason they started clicking was because McGrady wasn't there to be a ballhog.


Considering they kept their streak going for another 8 games by playing defense and running Adelman's motion offense, the answer is yes. So he took 30 FGA in one game. So what? What's your point? One game does not a player make.

He's gone 10/30 from the field a lot of times this season.


Yeah, the Rockets were really lucky that their best player missed significant time with injuries. :rolleyes Maybe if he hadn't gotten hurt, they would have won a few more games and have a firm grip on the #1 seed.

They would've come together regardless.

I thought that Houston best player was Yao.

[Findog]

If you ask rockets fans at that time almost everyone would've said that the reason they started clicking was because McGrady wasn't there to be a ballhog.


That's just sour grapes because they got off to a slow start and he's never gotten out of the first round.



He's gone 10/30 from the field a lot of times this season.

So has Kobe. It happens. And Kobe has finally "gotten it," he doesn't try to do everything himself anymore. He gets his teammates involved early and looks for his shot in crunchtime.




I thought that Houston best player was Yao

He has stamina and conditioning issues. When TMac is healthy, he's a notch below Kobe and LeBron.

[MrChug]

Historically, the Rockets have done better when TMac plays and Yao is out than vice versa. TMac is not a selfish player.

But you HAVE to agree with the lack of BBIQ point though. Anyone who takes as many pullup 20-24 foot jumpshots with 21 seconds left on the shot clock as T-Mac does can NOT have it. He's a good passer and DOES have the ability to find an open teammate (if indeed he has no opportunity to score most of the time).

The only person who takes more pull-up 3's in transition is Stephen Jackson, but because that IS in part the GS offense, he has the green light, and oh yeah...he MAKES THEM.

I'm just not a T-Mac fan. I've never seen someone who has such a general disregard for an offensive set in my life that gets so much run. I know there are the Steve Francis/Ricky Davis/Ben Gordon/(young) A.I.'s of the world, but even they never seemed to get as much praise ast McGrady. :oops

[Findog]

Seriously, TMac would sacrifice his first-born son and take only 5 shots a game if it got him out of the first round. Say what you will about him, but he absolutely does not care about his numbers.

[monosylab1k]

Realistically, I think if Amare took 30 FGA in a game now, he'd rack up 55 or more easily.
Wouldn't Nash's arms get tired from lobbing up 30 alley-oops? You gotta think about the collateral damage from giving Amare 30 FGA.

[Findog]

But you HAVE to agree with the lack of BBIQ point though. Anyone who takes as many pullup 20-24 foot jumpshots with 21 seconds left on the shot clock as T-Mac does can NOT have it.

To a certain degree, yes, that's taking a shot out of the flow of the offense. But the OP is contending that he's a selfish ballhog that only cares about his #s and that's just not true.


I'm just not a T-Mac fan. I've never seen someone who has such a general disregard for an offensive set in my life that gets so much run. I know there are the Steve Francis/Ricky Davis/Ben Gordon/(young) A.I.'s of the world, but even they never seemed to get as much praise ast McGrady. :oops

I think he's better than all those guys you listed. He's not a clubhouse lawyer like some of those guys, he's not a stats guy like some of them. And I'm glad you added the *young* caveat to AI. Dude is a warrior. I think the problem with Iverson is that he needs to have the ball to be effective. He reminds me of Maravich in that way.

I guess McGrady's series against Dallas just left a real mark on me. The Rockets had no business taking us to seven games. Not only did he dominate us on offense, but he guarded Dirk one on one for most of it and bottled him up. I have a lot of respect for him bc of that. And that footage of him crying after choking against Utah just gets to me. Dude just wants it so bad. His priorities are where they should be, he just doesn't always have the right compass, IMO.

[monosylab1k]

but he guarded Dirk one on one for most of it and bottled him up.
What about the Germanator?

[Findog]

What about the Germanator?

Maybe in Game 1. But TMac guarded him for the bulk of the series IIRC.

[monosylab1k]

http://www.nba.com/media/rockets/bowerninside.jpg
The Germanator, he's one baaaaad mother-shutyomouth!

[DAF86]

Findog i'll give you that if somebody tells McGrady that if he takes 5 shots per game his team'll pass the first round he would do that but that adds to the "he's 0 BBIQ" thing.
If he doesn't take 30 shots 'cause he wants to pump up his numbers, is 'cause he thinks he needs to and that's very stupid. No team in the world can win a single thing with guys going 10/30 from the field. You need to play as a team. There's a reason he never made it pass the first round.

[Findog]

Findog i'll give you that if somebody tells McGrady that if he takes 5 shots per game his team'll pass the first round he would do that but that adds to the "he's 0 BBIQ" thing.
If he doesn't take 30 shots 'cause he wants to pump up his numbers, is 'cause he thinks he needs to and that's very stupid. No team in the world can win a single thing with guys going 10/30 from the field. You need to play as a team. There's a reason he never made it pass the first round.

I can't speak for every exit, but most of those times, he wasn't on the better team, and there's absolutely no way you can put the loss to Dallas on him. Same thing with Garnett in Minnesota - the Wolves were always the seventh or eighth seed without HCA going against stronger teams, what did people think was going to happen?

[DAF86]

I can't speak for every exit, but most of those times, he wasn't on the better team, and there's absolutely no way you can put the loss to Dallas on him. Same thing with Garnett in Minnesota - the Wolves were always the seventh or eighth seed without HCA going against stronger teams, what did people think was going to happen?

Well there's a reason no T-mac team has been the favorite in a playoff series. :lol

Now in all seriousnes i do think that T.Mac is either a little bit dumb or an ego maniac. Look at some of the things he's said during the course of his career.

"if we don't make it pass the first round this year it's on me. This is my team i'm the best player on this team so if we don't win this series it is on me."
(this was prior to the rockets-jazz series last year- First it's very silly to say you are going to beat a team before a series and Second it's even more silly to put all the presure on you saying that you're the team best player specially if you have Yao Ming in your team.)

And when he was in Orlando he said something like "i want to lead a team to a championship i don't want to win a championship beign just a mere role player"

So i think there's something wrong with him.

[Findog]

"if we don't make it pass the first round this year it's on me. This is my team i'm the best player on this team so if we don't win this series it is on me."

I remember the first part of this statement but I'd like a link for the last part.

[DAF86]

I remember the first part of this statement but I'd like a link for the last part.

I don't know how to post a link so if you know how, please do the honors. Anyways it isn't a literal quote. it was just to give an idea of what he said.

[Findog]

I don't know how to post a link so if you know how, please do the honors. Anyways it isn't a literal quote. it was just to give an idea of what he said.

In the address bar of an internet browser, highlight the url and hold down the control key and C at the same time. Then when you make a post here, hold down the control key and V at the same time.

There's no way he would've said that about himself. As for the rest of the quote, it's called taking responsibility and not ducking from criticism.

[DAF86]

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=KPh4iTFyM2I

Thanks man!

[mrodgers]

I do not think that tracy mcgrady is a ballhog and he just is out there to play the game and make the money and I actually worship tracy and if you want to see a ballhog look at steve nash

[ancestron]

Tracy McGrady is alright. He does his best to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

[DaDakota]

Tmac is out tonight against Seattle.

He has a tendency to settle for jumpers too often, but he is a very willing passer and is an unselfish player.

Sometimes our players stand around and watch him too much, which forces him to shoot, I am sure Laker fans understand that as well.

The Rockets are better when Tmac is shooting 18 to 20 shots a game...and NOT 31...

DD

[Harry Callahan]

Tmac is out tonight against Seattle.



DD



What's wrong with him? Back or Knee?

[DaDakota]

What's wrong with him? Back or Knee?

Cortisone shot in his shoulder yesterday left him a bit sore.

He got it bumped a couple of weeks ago....nothing serious, I think if it were not the Sonics he would be playing.

DD

[Findog]

bumping MRodgers gay threads off the front page