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duncan228
04-03-2008, 03:41 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/04/03/pacers/index.html

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Bird faces daunting task rebuilding wayward Pacers

Rebuilding is like recession: No one wants to hear about it or talk about it, but after enough time passes, it becomes inevitable.

For the Indiana Pacers, that inevitability has arrived.

While the Pacers are not in as dire straights as the Knicks (no marketable talent besides David Lee) or the Bucks (gambled -- and lost -- that Michael Redd was a franchise player and overpaid for nearly everyone else on the roster), the situation in Indiana is far from appealing.

The capped-out Pacers, who have a $66.7 million payroll this season, are tied into numerous long-term contracts. They are drawing crowds like Kevin Federline, with a league-low average attendance of 12,045. They have as many off-the-court problems as the Cincinnati Bengals. And they have a franchise player in Jermaine O'Neal who, at 29, is on the downside of his career.

"I think everyone knows our challenges," said Pacers president Larry Bird, who has assumed total control of basketball operations from Donnie Walsh. "It's not only on the court but it's off the court. Financially, we're in a situation [where] we're up against the [luxury-tax threshold] and we will not go over, so we've got to do some constructive things to make this team better. Hopefully in the summer we'll be able to talk to a lot of different teams and make the moves we need to make and have a great draft pick."

Where does Bird start? Here are four things Indiana has to do to get back in contention:

1. Regain stability.

Walsh's decision to step down as the team's CEO has shaken up an already tumultuous situation. While Bird has been running the day-to-day operations since Walsh hired him in 2003, that didn't stopped general managers throughout the league from calling Walsh or, in some cases, Pacers vice president David Morway.

"When other general managers call, they really want to call the person that they're going to be talking to and going to make that decision," Walsh said before being named Knicks president. "Since I've been here so long, a lot of them would call me because they felt I would ultimately make the decision. A lot of them would call Larry. You don't want that confusion out there."

Added Bird: "There is no question one voice is the way to go. A lot of younger GMs in the league would call me and some of the older guys would call Donnie. That really didn't make a lot of sense."

That sentiment was echoed by several executives I spoke with over the last week. "Larry could be tough to talk to if you didn't play with him," a Western Conference GM said. "And the older guys, the Rod Thorns of the league, they would always call Donnie."

With Walsh gone, Bird needs to establish stability in the front office. His first order of business should be to give coach Jim O'Brien a well-deserved vote of confidence, as the Pacers have stayed in the Eastern Conference playoff race despite playing half the season without O'Neal or starting point guard Jamaal Tinsley. Certainly the Pacers are not yet built in O'Brien's image, not when they are surrendering the fifth-most points in the league (105.8) and ranking a mediocre 14th in field-goal-percentage defense (45.8). But O'Brien is a proven defensive coach who will eventually mold the team to his liking. (For instance, in O'Brien's first full season in Boston, the Celtics improved from 27th to third in field-goal defense.)

The fact that Bird and O'Brien are on the same page regarding the team's future is a positive. O'Brien said he and Bird have had "hundreds" of conversations since he was hired last May and "have not disagreed on anything in any of them." Throwing his full-throated support behind O'Brien would be a strong statement by Bird to his players that the coach is there to stay.

"I appreciate [O'Brien's effort] both on and off the court," Bird said. "Hopefully moving forward we will have a great working relationship."

2. Trade Tinsley and O'Neal.

This will not be easy. Tinsley (three years, $21.4 million left) and O'Neal (two years, $44.3 million) have unfavorable contracts, not to mention myriad other issues.

Tinsley has been involved in several off-the-court incidents in the last year and a half. Statistically, the 6-foot-3 Tinsley should be considered among the league's top playmakers; he is averaging 11.9 points and 8.4 assists this season. But the Pacers shopped him all over the league before the trading deadline and there were no takers. Look for the Pacers to continue those efforts in the offseason, even if they're ultimately forced to take 30 cents on the dollar for their starting point guard since 2001.

As for O'Neal, the 12-year veteran has struggled with injuries the last four seasons and may not be up to the role of franchise player anymore. And there aren't many teams out there willing to pay $22 million per season for a No. 2 guy.

New York, however, is an intriguing possibility for O'Neal. Walsh, who acquired O'Neal from Portland in 2000, might be amenable to bringing in his former player. In return, the Pacers could take back Stephon Marbury, who will make $21 million next season in the last year of his deal and could be agreeable to a buyout.

3. Use their high draft pick (or leverage it) to get a point guard or center.

Drafting the best available player is generally the best option, but the Pacers need to get specific. Bird told SI.com on Wednesday that the draft was his top priority and that there were "a couple" of players the Pacers were monitoring closely.

If O'Neal returns next season, finding a physical center to play alongside him should be a priority. Starting center Jeff Foster is an O'Brien favorite whom the coach lobbied to keep at the deadline. Though the 6-11, 250-pound Foster has a lot of heart, he is undersized for the position.

Meanwhile, if the Pacers could unload Tinsley, that would leave the point guard position wide open. Beyond Memphis' Derrick Rose, the draft isn't expected to feature many top-flight pure point guards. If Indiana could package its pick to, say, Toronto to acquire either T.J. Ford or soon-to-be restricted free agent Jose Calderon, that would be worth considering.

4. Have patience.

This is not a quick fix. Unless they pick up some expiring contracts, the Pacers will not have any significant salary-cap space until 2010. The temptation might be to acquire a few stopgap players to keep the team in playoff contention in the weak East. But contending for an almost certain first-round exit and attracting a few hundred more fans per night should not be the priority. Building the team the right way should, and that process could take years.

"Some of the incidents we have had here with some of our players have really turned our fan base off," Bird said. "What we have to do as a group is put the type of team out there that our fans want to see. You come to our games, you can see all the empty seats, so there is a disconnect there. By getting the type of players that play hard every night and do the things in the community we should be doing, I think over time we'll get [the fans] to come back because they do have a great pride and a great passion for this team deep down."

JamStone
04-03-2008, 03:57 PM
I remember last season people (some on these boards) applauding Bird for the Harring/Jackson for Dunleavy/Murphy trade and claiming it was a great trade for the Pacers.

Bird oh Bird... as bad as Isiah was and is, you haven't done any better.

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 04:00 PM
I remember last season people (some on these boards) applauding Bird for the Harring/Jackson for Dunleavy/Murphy trade and claiming it was a great trade for the Pacers.
It doesn't look like a great deal now, but it wasn't a disastrous trade for the Pacers either. Have you seen what Dunleavy is doing? If Jermaine O'Neal wasn't MIA almost all year things could look a lot different for the Pacers right now.

It wasn't exactly on the same level as signing Jerome James.

JamStone
04-03-2008, 04:22 PM
I know Dunleavy is having a very good scoring season. So is Al Jefferson. Scoring a lot of points on one of the worst teams in the league means what exactly?

It's always amusing when you try to compare two things that shouldn't be compared. A trade with a free agent acquisition. A #1 overall pick with a #20 pick in a weak draft. What's the difference, right?

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 04:26 PM
Scoring a lot of points on one of the worst teams in the league means what exactly?
They're 4 games out of a playoff spot and their franchise player has only played around 30 games this year. Hardly comparable to the Timberwolves. Try and pull your head out of your ass before posting, mkay?

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 04:29 PM
A trade with a free agent acquisition.
A transaction made by a GM that changes the complexion of the team, compared with a, uh, transaction made by a GM that changes the complexion of the team.

You're right, no similarity.

JamStone
04-03-2008, 05:07 PM
They're 4 games out of a playoff spot and their franchise player has only played around 30 games this year. Hardly comparable to the Timberwolves. Try and pull your head out of your ass before posting, mkay?


They're 31-44, 13 games under .500 in the Eastern Conference. Still a case of Dunleavy putting up nice numbers on a horrible team. I know better to ask you to try to think before posting. I don't believe in miracles.

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 05:11 PM
Still a case of Dunleavy putting up nice numbers on a horrible team.
I never argued this. I just said they weren't one of the worst teams in the league, and not on the same level as the T-Wolves, as you implied. Maybe this is a crazy idea, but it just might be possible that it's a good idea to know what YOU already posted before responding to what I post.

JamStone
04-03-2008, 05:13 PM
A transaction made by a GM that changes the complexion of the team, compared with a, uh, transaction made by a GM that changes the complexion of the team.

You're right, no similarity.

Changing the core of a team and adding $30 million MORE ($79 million total compared to $49 Harrington and S-Jax would have made the rest of their contracts) in immovable salaries to two role players in the process compared to spending the MLE, about $28 million total ($22 million if Jerome James doesn't pick up his option), for a back up center without changing the core of the team.

I am right.

JamStone
04-03-2008, 05:15 PM
I never argued this. I just said they weren't one of the worst teams in the league, and not on the same level as the T-Wolves, as you implied. Maybe this is a crazy idea, but it just might be possible that it's a good idea to know what YOU already posted before responding to what I post.


You're mincing words. Semantical argument. Apparently you never used hyperbole posting on here. Pacers are still among the horrible teams in the NBA. Fine, they're not one of the worst. To me, it's virtually the same thing when a guy puts up good scoring numbers on a bad team, horrible team, one of the worst teams in the league. Again, it's a semantical argument.

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 05:17 PM
You're mincing words. Semantical argument. Apparently you never used hyperbole posting on here. Pacers are still among the horrible teams in the NBA. Fine, they're not one of the worst. To me, it's virtually the same thing when a guy puts up good scoring numbers on a bad team, horrible team, one of the worst teams in the league. Again, it's a semantical argument.
No, it's not. A team 4 games out of a playoff spot when their best player has missed over half the year is nowhere near the same as the Timberwolves. It's not semantics.

I am right.

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 05:18 PM
Changing the core of a team and adding $30 million MORE ($79 million total compared to $49 Harrington and S-Jax would have made the rest of their contracts) in immovable salaries to two role players in the process compared to spending the MLE, about $28 million total ($22 million if Jerome James doesn't pick up his option), for a back up center without changing the core of the team.

I am right.
One team is still fighting for a playoff spot, the other team isn't. One guy still has his job, the other is about to get his ass kicked to the curb.

I am right.

JamStone
04-03-2008, 05:19 PM
You're right

I didn't even change your quote.

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 05:21 PM
it was a great trade for the Pacers.
neither did I

JamStone
04-03-2008, 05:23 PM
LOL. That was cute, kiddo. I'll go get you a smiley face sticker.

monosylab1k
04-03-2008, 05:26 PM
LOL. That was cute, kiddo. I'll go get you a smiley face sticker.
just go ahead and tell me to fuck myself, then Tom Brady, then Wee-Man. Then go on a long rant about how you don't give a fuck because it's just the internet while not realizing the irony of writing a long rant about not giving a fuck about something.

Have fun.

JamStone
04-03-2008, 05:38 PM
Wow, you got a little touchy. It's cool. I didn't mean to bring a traumatic flashback. I removed the sig quite a while ago. You don't have to have some turrets episode, dude.

LOL means I was laughing. Saying it was cute means I was amused. Saying I'll get you a smiley face sticker means I'm joking along. Are you ok?