Mavs@Lakers GAME THREAD!

[DazedAndConfused]

I wont mind if this game goes into over time. DAL will not have anything left in the tank.

For the love of God though, STOP THE 3. Don't let them shoot a 3!!!!!!!!

[Gino]

Odom's in a contract year.

[Xylus]

Dirk's gonna hit a big 3 here.

[DazedAndConfused]

Imagine how much better the Lakers will be when Bynum gets back. You see that passing between Kobe, Pau, and Odom. Now add BYNUM into the mix, it's going to be a nightmare for teams that try and double team Kobe.

[JamStone]

Great team game by Kobe tonight.

Wow, did I just write that?

[DazedAndConfused]

Odom's in a contract year.

Nope. Contract ends NEXT season. Nice try hater. Go fuck yourself.

[trueD]

Odom's in a contract year.
Straight across for Artest (sign & trade). Get 'er done!

[Phil Hellmuth]

Odom's in a contract year.

i thought he has another one after this?

[Allanon]

Bynumite, Pau, Lamar and Kobe on the court at the same time....nobody wants a piece of that.

[trueD]

Nope. Contract ends NEXT season. Nice try hater. Go fuck yourself.

Too bad for Odom. Although he's enduring Kobe pretty well these days.

[Allanon]

Dirk with the choke turnover.

[Findog]

Looks like the Lake Show has this one. Good comeback.

[trueD]

17.8 is an eternity.

[DazedAndConfused]

Kill Em Kobe!!!!!!!!! Kill Them!! Crush Their Spirits!!!!!! Make This A 4 Pt Game!!!!!

Crush The Mavericks Heart. Stomp The Life Out Of This Team!!!!!!

[Findog]

Dirk with the choke turnover.

Don't be too hard on him, he had a gutsy performance tonight.

[Phil Hellmuth]

god damnit, i can see my Mavs +6 bet going down the drain

[DaDakota]

Without Devin Harris Dallas doesn't have a single penetrating player to draw the defense in...

So, no post players and no penetrators.....they are screwed.

DD

[Allanon]

Don't be too hard on him, he had a gutsy performance tonight.

My bad, Dirk was awesome most of the game...seriously.

[Xylus]

Dirk's still gonna hit a big 3.

[DazedAndConfused]

Dirk played phenomenal tonight, you can blame the Mavs shitty defense in the clutch for tonight's loss (if they lose).

[Amarelooms]

Kill Em Kobe!!!!!!!!! Kill Them!! Crush Their Spirits!!!!!! Make This A 4 Pt Game!!!!!

Crush The Mavericks Heart. Stomp The Life Out Of This Team!!!!!!

LOL you are gay :elephant

[DazedAndConfused]

Good things happen when you mute Jon Barry.

[Findog]

You single coverage Kobe, he kills you. Lakers shredded the double team on Kobe

[DazedAndConfused]

Game ain't over yet, Sasha has to hit some clutch ones.

[Findog]

boy that technical on Josh Howard really looms large, doesn't it?

[DazedAndConfused]

Phew 1 done.

[Findog]

Way to go Josh.

[Allanon]

The Machine is a clutch shooter if nothing else.

[Phil Hellmuth]

I got a bill on Mavs +6

this is nerve wracking

[trueD]

Final T.O., that bites.

[dirk4mvp]

Way to go Josh.


I hope he can't go to sleep tonight. He deserves it.

[Findog]

Final T.O., that bites.

so does Josh throwing his headband

[Findog]

good game Lakers. Kudos on the comeback.

[Allanon]

That technical was everything...difference between desperation three and a layup for 2.

[Xylus]

Damn dude.

[Findog]

Mavs might beat a good team once in a while if they don't get techs

[DazedAndConfused]

That's the game. DAL has had some shitty lucky, 1-11 against above .500 teams and nearly every one of those losses came down to the last few shots.

[trueD]

Nice win by the Lakers. Ouch, that hurt.

[lurker]

Thanks, Josh Howard, for being retarded.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

thanks Lakers :smokin

If the Nuggets dont choke tomorrow then they should be back in 7th

[Allanon]

Awesome game fellas, good talk, time to go finish my drink.

Lamar, Dirk were awesome.

[dirk4mvp]

That's the game. DAL has had some shitty lucky, 1-11 against above .500 teams and nearly every one of those losses came down to the last few shots.


Because we have morons like Howard who gets techs in tight games.

[trueD]

That's the game. DAL has had some shitty lucky, 1-11 against above .500 teams and nearly every one of those losses came down to the last few shots.

Hey, that was kinda nice of you. :toast

[Findog]

Why even wear a fuckin' headband?

Thanks Josh.

[Amarelooms]

If you let Lamar freakin Odom score more that 15 points you deserve to lose....

[Xylus]

Why does it seem like the Mavs have lost every recent game by 4 points or less?

[trueD]

thanks Lakers :smokin

If the Nuggets dont choke tomorrow then they should be back in 7th
Good Luck with that. :hungry:

[Findog]

Why does it seem like the Mavs have lost every recent game by 4 points or less?

Because they literally get technicals in almost every close game. This is like the fifth time Avery or Josh has fucked us with techs.

[Kriz-Maxima]

If i was Avery i would had chew him up too

[dirk4mvp]

I swear, if it was any other West playoff team in our shoes tonight, they close the game out and win.

[Findog]

Josh choked, not Dirk. I don't care about that last TO, Dirk was awesome and gutsy tonight.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Why even wear a fuckin' headband?

Thanks Josh.

There's no point blaming Josh, that phantom call on odom was fucking ridiculous. Its time to move on and try to win our next game simple as that

[trueD]

Awesome game fellas, good talk, time to go finish my drink.

Lamar, Dirk were awesome.

I'm outta here too, always fun watching with other NBA fans--especially those with a stake in the game.

Amuseddaysleeper, you rock! xoxo

[Findog]

There's no point blaming Josh, that phantom call on odom was fucking ridiculous. Its time to move on and try to win our next game simple as that

Yeah, but this is like the fifth time they've gotten a tech in a close game. San Antonio, first Laker game, Denver, now the Lakers again. Why can't they get it through their skulls? Points are precious in a game like this. Mavs didn't shoot that great from the FT line either.

[ElNono]

What was the point of doubling Kobe at the top of the key every time?
It made Odom and Gaysol have a field day.

[Findog]

What was the point of doubling Kobe at the top of the key every time?
It made Odom and Gaysol have a field day.

Because the last game they didn't double him and he scored 52 points.

[LakeShow]

good game! :tu

[JK2]

how can anyone claim Vujacic is not gay? he behaves like a girl on the court and his touching the eyebrows routine before a free throw is downright ridiculous.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Yeah, but this is like the fifth time they've gotten a tech in a close game. San Antonio, first Laker game, Denver, now the Lakers again. Why can't they get it through their skulls? Points are precious in a game like this. Mavs didn't shoot that great from the FT line either.

Yeah good point, I still believe though, we will get good luck one day and win a huge game. Tonight just wasn't our night.

[mattb_25]

Yeah, but this is like the fifth time they've gotten a tech in a close game. San Antonio, first Laker game, Denver, now the Lakers again. Why can't they get it through their skulls? Points are precious in a game like this. Mavs didn't shoot that great from the FT line either.


Fuck man, I know. Again, the commentators call the shit. I'm so fucking tired of Josh being a damn cry baby. I still I would of liked someone else besides damp doubling on kobe... that left the paint wide open

[ElNono]

how can anyone claim Vujacic is not gay? he behaves like a girl on the court and his touching the eyebrows routine before a free throw is ridiculous.

Vujabitch is super gay. I hear him and Gaysol get their manicure done by Turiaf's sister. Fags...

[Phil Hellmuth]

MAVS PROBLEMS still with the JKIDD trade:

1. they still give up large leads and lose their cool

2. the shooting guard position is hurting them (no true SG)

3. They play average defense

[Findog]

Fuck man, I know. Again, the commentators call the shit. I'm so fucking tired of Josh being a damn cry baby. I still I would of liked someone else besides damp doubling on kobe... that left the paint wide open

Yeah, trapping Kobe is a good idea, but using Dampier at the top of the arc is fucking stupid.

I feel good about this team for next year. We'll probably get into the playoffs and be a tough, tough out, but they don't need much to get over the hump now that we've got Kidd.

[Findog]

MAVS PROBLEMS still with the JKIDD trade:

1. they still give up large leads and lose their cool

2. the shooting guard position is hurting them (no true SG)

3. They play average defense

Our defense is better now than what it was.

Cosign the first two points.

[Findog]

How does Vujacic not get called for the constant reach-ins? That's all he does on defense

[DazedAndConfused]

Umm Sasha had at least 3-4 fouls in today's game. All from reach ins for the most part.

[Phil Hellmuth]

Our defense is better now than what it was.



I think not having a fresh center in Diop and an extra 1.0+ block per game hurts somewhat the defense.

Improvement with Kidd tho.

It evens out.

[ludda]

In crunchtime, Mavs are so predictable. Dirk ISO, Howard/Terry/Stackhouse outside shot. They need Kidd to penetrate like Harris used to do. Kidd needs to look for his shot more IMO.

Also Mavs defense in the 4th sucked, they deserved to lose when you're giving up easy layups to Gasol and Odom.

[ElNono]

Mavs need to ship J HO... The guy has talent, but his BB IQ is terrible.
The worst part is you would think by now Avery would have had a conversation with him, but then again you never know...

[Findog]

Umm Sasha had at least 3-4 fouls in today's game. All from reach ins for the most part.

Yeah, but he commits a foul pretty much every time. I'm not complaining, that's how the refs call it, it's just odd is all.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

In crunchtime, Mavs are so predictable. Dirk ISO, Howard/Terry/Stackhouse outside shot. They need Kidd to penetrate like Harris used to do. Kidd needs to look for his shot more IMO.

Also Mavs defense in the 4th sucked, they deserved to lose when you're giving up easy layups to Gasol and Odom.

I agree

[Findog]

Mavs need to ship J HO... The guy has talent, but his BB IQ is terrible.
The worst part is you would think by now Avery would have had a conversation with him, but then again you never know...

Josh is so frustrating. Super talented, does a lot of great things, but such a bonehead. IMO he should be the bait for a low-post scorer this offseason.

[ElNono]

I think the defense is worse since Kidd came around... At least Harris knew how to flop and get a call, and Diop was a good backup for Damp...

[DazedAndConfused]

The Mavs still have no answer for Kobe when he has the ball at the top of the key. You throw a hard double at him and Gasol and Odom rip you to shreds, especially if its DAMPIER that is coming to help. You go man defense on Kobe and he gets to the rim everytime.

[mattb_25]

In crunchtime, Mavs are so predictable. Dirk ISO, Howard/Terry/Stackhouse outside shot. They need Kidd to penetrate like Harris used to do. Kidd needs to look for his shot more IMO.

Also Mavs defense in the 4th sucked, they deserved to lose when you're giving up easy layups to Gasol and Odom.

Yeah for real.. I've noticed that I usually see avery chilled out a bit during the first 3 quarters, and then when it gets to crunch time, I see his fucking ass get up and start calling those fucking shit ass calls and we get outscored like 10-2...

Why can't we just play on the offense like we do at the start... :depressed

[sribb43]

double teaming kobe at half court? damp is the slowest player on the floor so he cant hustle back from half court and get back into the play....double kobe when he has the ball on the wing and the floor isnt so spread out....this dumb coach keeps out doing himself

oh ya and leave a gimpy dirk under the rim with odom and gasol taking it to him 2 on 1...genius avery

the floor was so spread when u double that far from the basket its sickening....its just inviting layups at the basket

your only defender at the rim is sent 40 ft from the basket to double team....how dumb is that

[sribb43]

In crunchtime, Mavs are so predictable. Dirk ISO, Howard/Terry/Stackhouse outside shot. They need Kidd to penetrate like Harris used to do. Kidd needs to look for his shot more IMO.

Also Mavs defense in the 4th sucked, they deserved to lose when you're giving up easy layups to Gasol and Odom.

hey avery how about running a pick n roll with dirk and kidd/terry to actually make the defense work instead of isoing dirk on 1 ankle late in the game....oh ya and great inbounds plays there late

[Findog]

I think the defense is worse since Kidd came around... At least Harris knew how to flop and get a call, and Diop was a good backup for Damp...

Nope, the defense is better. If you watch the games, it's obvious, and the stats back it up. Mavs defensive efficiency is better with Kidd. For every charge Devin draws, Kidd creates two turnovers.

[Medvedenko]

Well, well, well.....all I heard today from most of the mav fans was that the lakers will lose...oh well good work. Yes a close game, but we didn't play to well and still won. You have no answer for our big 3 and hope to outscore us. Good luck in the playoffs.

Dirk played great....but that's all I see you have. Luckily your jump shots were falling or it would have been a lot worse.

Sasha>Dallas D

[Findog]

double teaming kobe at half court? damp is the slowest player on the floor so he cant hustle back from half court and get back into the play....double kobe when he has the ball on the wing and the floor isnt so spread out....this dumb coach keeps out doing himself

oh ya and leave a gimpy dirk under the rim with odom and gasol taking it to him 2 on 1...genius avery

the floor was so spread when u double that far from the basket its sickening....its just inviting layups at the basket

your only defender at the rim is sent 40 ft from the basket to double team....how dumb is that

Black Napoleon will be gone this summer and hopefully Del Harris will be installed in his place.

[Medvedenko]

Dell Harris...seriously...go for Larry Brown instead.

[Findog]

Yes a close game, but we didn't play to well and still won.

hahaha, you shot over 50% and executed well, yet you "sucked ass."


You have no answer for our big 3 and hope to outscore us.

Not when Dirk has to guard Odom on one leg. Catch 22, we're not getting into the playoffs w/o him, but he can't guard guys like Odom..



Sasha>Dallas D

No, it's more like Jackzen>Avery.

[sribb43]

Well, well, well.....all I heard today from most of the mav fans was that the lakers will lose...oh well good work. Yes a close game, but we didn't play to well and still won. You have no answer for our big 3 and hope to outscore us. Good luck in the playoffs.

Dirk played great....but that's all I see you have. Luckily your jump shots were falling or it would have been a lot worse.

Sasha>Dallas D

great game.....avery still sucks :donkey , thats all

[Findog]

Dell Harris...seriously...go for Larry Brown instead.

Del Harris > Avery. Del was in charge of our defense last year when we locked teams down and won 67 games, and Avery banished him to the luxury suites:

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=365

[Medvedenko]

I just remember Dell coaching us back in the day and not getting it done.

[TheMACHINE]

wasnt there an avatar bet on this game?

[DaDakota]

Dirk and Howard both choked.......

Howard with his tantrum....although that was a horse crap call, no one touched Odom on that rebound airball tip of his.

And Dirk losing the ball on the drive late is inexcusable....Star players have to either :

a. Get a shot
b. set up a teamate for a shot

Because turning it over cost them a realistic chance at winning.

DD

[Findog]

I just remember Dell coaching us back in the day and not getting it done.

That doesn't mean he was a shitty coach. I assume by "not getting it done" you mean win a title, right? Do you have to win a title to be considered a good coach?

From what I remember he won 50+ games every year with the Lakers. He's a good coach. He took a Rockets team with a losing record to the Finals.

[Findog]

And Dirk losing the ball on the drive late is inexcusable....Star players have to either :

a. Get a shot
b. set up a teamate for a shot

Because turning it over cost them a realistic chance at winning.

DD

Fuck off. Dirk turned in a gutsy performance on one leg. Fuck is wrong with you?

[DaDakota]

Del Harris was great for the Rockets....got a 40-42 team to the finals....

DD

[sribb43]

del harris is not the answer....some new blood is needed

[DaDakota]

Fuck off. Dirk turned in a gutsy performance on one leg. Fuck is wrong with you?

Woah there hoss, no need to get all upset.

Dirk may still be hurting some, but that doesn't excuse his turnover.

He lost the ball on his own.....it was a piss poor play in crunch time.

Just keeping it real Findog.

DD

[Findog]

Woah there hoss, no need to get all upset.

Dirk may still be hurting some, but that doesn't excuse his turnover.

Just keeping it real Findog.

DD

Yeah, he came back after a week and a half from an injury that usually keeps people out 3-6 weeks because his team needs him, and he committed a turnover. So what?

[ElNono]

Nope, the defense is better. If you watch the games, it's obvious, and the stats back it up. Mavs defensive efficiency is better with Kidd. For every charge Devin draws, Kidd creates two turnovers.

I've seen the games. Your interior D is the worse I recall from a Mavs team since Avery took control of the team.

[Findog]

del harris is not the answer....some new blood is needed


Del Harris is much better than Avery, right? Don't you think Del would sit down once in a while and exercise some common sense?

[Findog]

I've seen the games. Your interior D is the worse I recall from a Mavs team since Avery took control of the team.

I looked at the stats and opponent turnovers are actually down. One of the real bizarre developments in looking at Kidd's impact and Harris' departure is that the "better floor general" Jason Kidd has hurt the offense, while the departure of the "best defensive point guard in the league" Devin Harris has helped our defense. In fact, the impact on the Mavs defense has been the single biggest change since the trade: The Mavs are giving up 1.7 fewer points per 100 possessions than they did before the trade. That's a very significant drop, and is nearly double the hit we took on the offensive side.

In terms of specifics, the Mavs have improved in practically every defensive category but turnovers: The opposition shoots worse, the Mavs allow fewer offensive rebounds, and are fouling less. The loss of Harris' taking charges certainly has had an impact on opponent turnovers, as the opposition commit over 2 fewer turnovers than they did before the trade.

[sribb43]

Woah there hoss, no need to get all upset.

Dirk may still be hurting some, but that doesn't excuse his turnover.

Just keeping it real Findog.

DD

the coach deciding to run an iso play for a player with 1-leg is just blame dumb.. he set him up to fail. hey avery how about running a pick n roll with dirk and terry/kidd that actually make the defense work and have to communicate and gives you more options offensively. with jet he can come of the screen dish to dirk or shoot the J. same goes with kidd and he can definetly get it to dirk or drive and kick out

its not rocket science avery

[Findog]

the coach deciding to run an iso play for a player with 1-leg is just blame dumb.. he set him up to fail. hey avery how about running a pick n roll with dirk and terry/kidd that actually make the defense work and have to communicate and gives you more options offensively. with jet he can come of the screen dish to dirk or shoot the J. same goes with kidd and he can definetly get it to dirk or drive and kick out

its not rocket science avery

We win a title this year or Avery's gone. Either way, happy ending this summer for the Mavs.

[DaDakota]

Yeah, he came back after a week and a half from an injury that usually keeps people out 3-6 weeks because his team needs him, and he committed a turnover. So what?

Oh give me a break, he sprained it, but it was not near as twisted around as Gasol's was.....

Sure he is hurting but who isn't at this time, how does that excuse him dribblng the ball down his jersey down 1 and a chance to take the lead?

Dirk may be hurting but you guys are making it sound like he is coming off of a major injury....watch the replay again, he didn't even twist it that much...

SHEESH.

DD

[sribb43]

Oh give me a break, he sprained it, but it was not near as twisted around as Gasol's was.....
Sure he is hurting but who isn't at this time, how does that excuse him dribblng the ball down his jersey down 1 and a chance to take the lead?

DD

STFU

[ludda]

Assuming Mavs go 3-4 the rest of the way (losing to all the good teams)--> the worst they could do.

The Warriors would have to go 6-1 to over take them if I'm correct. Who knows, Warriors might catch fire, but I think the Mavs need to go at least 4-3 to get the 8th spot (assuming Nuggets take care of their business, they have the easiest I think).

I think Mavs-Hornets first round.

[Medvedenko]

Coaching is not the problem....you need players that know how to execute and work well in the clutch.

[Findog]

Oh give me a break, he sprained it, but it was not near as twisted around as Gasol's was.....

Sure he is hurting but who isn't at this time, how does that excuse him dribblng the ball down his jersey down 1 and a chance to take the lead?

Dirk may be hurting but you guys are making it sound like he is coming off of a major injury....watch the replay again, he didn't even twist it that much...

SHEESH.

DD

QFS.

[DaDakota]

STFU

Why because I speak the truth?

Look Dirk is playing hurt, I concede that.....but so are a lot of players....

And he LOST THE BALL ....on his own....HE FUMBLED IT.......

He has a HISTORY OF CHOKING.......

Ah whatever, you guys are blinded by his dirkness...

DD

[Findog]

Coaching is not the problem....you need players that know how to execute and work well in the clutch.

Coaching is 60-70% of the problem.

[Findog]

Why because I speak the truth?

Look Dirk is playing hurt, I concede that.....but so are a lot of players....

And he LOST THE BALL ....on his own....HE FUMBLED IT.......

He has a HISTORY OF CHOKING.......

Ah whatever, you guys are blinded by his dirkness...

DD

Yeah, a high ankle sprain is no big thang. That pussy shouldn't have missed any time at all.

[SpursDynasty]

Good job Lakers for just going out there and taking care of business, no big surprises in this game, they just went out and did what they were supposed to do.

[ElNono]

I looked at the stats and opponent turnovers are actually down. One of the real bizarre developments in looking at Kidd's impact and Harris' departure is that the "better floor general" Jason Kidd has hurt the offense, while the departure of the "best defensive point guard in the league" Devin Harris has helped our defense. In fact, the impact on the Mavs defense has been the single biggest change since the trade: The Mavs are giving up 1.7 fewer points per 100 possessions than they did before the trade. That's a very significant drop, and is nearly double the hit we took on the offensive side.

In terms of specifics, the Mavs have improved in practically every defensive category but turnovers: The opposition shoots worse, the Mavs allow fewer offensive rebounds, and are fouling less. The loss of Harris' taking charges certainly has had an impact on opponent turnovers, as the opposition commit over 2 fewer turnovers than they did before the trade.

Don't forget that since the trade your team played about half the games against sub .500 teams. That can skew your numbers quite a bit. I'd like to see what those numbers look like on the games against over .500 teams...

[Findog]

Good job Lakers for just going out there and taking care of business, no big surprises in this game, they just went out and did what they were supposed to do.

http://www.new-dream.de/image/wallpaper/musik/pink/pink-06.jpg

[ludda]

Why because I speak the truth?

Look Dirk is playing hurt, I concede that.....but so are a lot of players....

And he LOST THE BALL ....on his own....HE FUMBLED IT.......

He has a HISTORY OF CHOKING.......

Ah whatever, you guys are blinded by his dirkness...

DD

why are you ragging on Dirk? He's gimpy and did great I thought. The TO was pretty stupid, but that's not a surprise when you run another Dirk ISO, the defense knows this and no one else was stepping up for the Mavs.

[DaDakota]

Yeah, a high ankle sprain is no big thang. That pussy shouldn't have missed any time at all.

It must not have been all that bad he came back in about 10 days.....what does that tell you?

1-10...against winning teams.....but the trade is good?

You guys are like Ostrichs burying your heads in the sand....

NO, it really IS a good trade.....

Uh.....sure it was.....NOT !

DD

[Findog]

Don't forget that since the trade your team played about half the games against sub .500 teams. That can skew your numbers quite a bit. I'd like to see what those numbers look like on the games against over .500 teams...

That's all the games, not just what they did against bad teams.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Good job Lakers for just going out there and taking care of business, no big surprises in this game, they just went out and did what they were supposed to do.

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[ElNono]

Good job Lakers for just going out there and taking care of business, no big surprises in this game, they just went out and did what they were supposed to do.

Hi Jeff

[Findog]

It must not have been all that bad he came back in about 10 days.....what does that tell you?

It tells me that you don't know what you're talking about.




1-10...against winning teams.....but the trade is good?

Well, considering we're losing by 25 points every time out, and Dirk didn't miss any of those games, yeah, it's a horrible trade to upgrade the PG position.


You guys are like Ostrichs burying your heads in the sand....

It's no surprise there's going to be an adjustment period while playing in a tough Western conference. They should've done it last summer of this upcoming summer. Mavs are fine, the trade will look better next year.

[Findog]

why are you ragging on Dirk? He's gimpy and did great I thought. The TO was pretty stupid, but that's not a surprise when you run another Dirk ISO, the defense knows this and no one else was stepping up for the Mavs.

Rocket troll. I don't know why I keep getting suckered into answering him. He's even making light of his injury. Dumbass.

[DaDakota]

It tells me that you don't know what you're talking about.

Uh, who is it making up BS about Dirk wanting the trade? Not me....


Well, considering we're losing by 25 points every time out, and Dirk didn't miss any of those games, yeah, it's a horrible trade to upgrade the PG position.

Sometimes upgrading is not all that seems when you lose the speed element that is so vital in attacking the basket in today's NBA....and not to mention the only shot blocking presence in the paint.



It's no surprise there's going to be an adjustment period while playing in a tough Western conference. They should've done it last summer of this upcoming summer. Mavs are fine, the trade will look better next year.

Which is ALL THE MORE REASON YOU DON'T MAKE THE TRADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DD

[DazedAndConfused]

Damn leave Dirk alone! The guy is playing on a fucked up ankle and STILL scored 28 pts tonight and shot a ridiculous percentage from the field. He is not the reason the Mavs lost, it was their poor defense down the stretch and inability to stop the Gasol/Odom layup drill.

And Rocket fans need to STFU. DAL has an actual chance of making it out of the 1st round. The Rockets team leader is the epitome of Mr. Glass.

[DaDakota]

Rocket troll. I don't know why I keep getting suckered into answering him. He's even making light of his injury. Dumbass.

His injury lookes pretty healed to me, especially on that off balance one footer he made to give you guys your last 4 point lead....oh, and it was off the injured ankle.

But, meh, you guys don't want the truth.

DD

[DaDakota]

Damn leave Dirk alone! The guy is playing on a fucked up ankle and STILL scored 28 pts tonight and shot a ridiculous percentage from the field. He is not the reason the Mavs lost, it was their poor defense down the stretch and inability to stop the Gasol/Odom layup drill.

And Rocket fans need to STFU. DAL has an actual chance of making it out of the 1st round. The Rockets team leader is the epitome of Mr. Glass.

Oh, I am sorry for having an opinion.......and Tmac is made of glass.....he and Dirk share the same ability to choke at crucial times.

And Findog where is that LINK to back up your claim that Dirk wanted the Kidd trade.

DD

[The Nba Is Rigged]

Damn leave Dirk alone! The guy is playing on a fucked up ankle and STILL scored 28 pts tonight and shot a ridiculous percentage from the field. He is not the reason the Mavs lost, it was their poor defense down the stretch and inability to stop the Gasol/Odom layup drill.

And Rocket fans need to STFU. DAL has an actual chance of making it out of the 1st round. The Rockets team leader is the epitome of Mr. Glass.

Even though your team won tonight, you came in here and posted the truth and you didn't come and rub it in our faces that the mavs lost. Props to you :toast

[ludda]

When your only option is Dirk down the stretch, he's not going to make every damn shot, especially against good defense. No Dirk in this game and Mavs get blown out.

BTW, Odom was a fucking beast. If he plays like that more often, the whole Pau-Odom tandem is damaging.

[Findog]

Oh, I am sorry for having an opinion.......and Tmac is made of glass.....he and Dirk share the same ability to choke at crucial times.

And Findog where is that LINK to back up your claim that Dirk wanted the Kidd trade.

DD

There is a member here on Spurstalk named Shank. Send him a PM and he'll clear up any questions you have. As for anything else you might have to say:

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[ElNono]

Dirk failed to deliver in the clutch... Not the first time, probably not the last time. He's a terrific player and had a great game today. But if you're the go to guy in the crunch, you need to either score, get to the line or find an open teammate... He did none of those. Compare with Kobe, that took it to the hole to put the game out of reach...

[Findog]

Uh, who is it making up BS about Dirk wanting the trade? Not me....


Seriously, when you're in a hole, you stop digging. Do you honestly think they would've made a trade Dirk was not on board with? He pushed it more than anybody.



Sometimes upgrading is not all that seems when you lose the speed element that is so vital in attacking the basket in today's NBA....and not to mention the only shot blocking presence in the paint.

Well, too bad we're missing Diop and his 10 minutes per game. And we fastbreak more with Kidd than we did with Devin, but you don't watch our games, so you wouldn't know.

[Findog]

Dirk failed to deliver in the clutch... Not the first time, probably not the last time. He's a terrific player and had a great game today. But if you're the go to guy in the crunch, you need to either score, get to the line or find an open teammate... He did none of those. Compare with Kobe, that took it to the hole to put the game out of reach...

Uh no, Kobe passed to open teammates when trapped, he didn't "take it to the hole." The Lakers spread the floor and have the game's best player. The Mavs have an idjit for a coach that calls a Dirk iso on one leg instead of a pick and roll with Kidd.

[Findog]

Damn leave Dirk alone! The guy is playing on a fucked up ankle and STILL scored 28 pts tonight and shot a ridiculous percentage from the field. He is not the reason the Mavs lost, it was their poor defense down the stretch and inability to stop the Gasol/Odom layup drill.

And Rocket fans need to STFU. DAL has an actual chance of making it out of the 1st round. The Rockets team leader is the epitome of Mr. Glass.


:toast

You're redeeming yourself DaC.

[ElNono]

BTW, Odom was a fucking beast. If he plays like that more often, the whole Pau-Odom tandem is damaging.

That tandem looks especially great when it's being guarded by one player while the Center is standing in the 3 pt line...

[Medvedenko]

Uh no, Kobe passed to open teammates when trapped, he didn't "take it to the hole." The Lakers spread the floor and have the game's best player. The Mavs have an idjit for a coach that calls a Dirk iso on one leg instead of a pick and roll with Kidd.

Fin I like your takes but the Mavs are not a better team than the Lakers. They may win a game here and there but with this current incarnation of both teams the Lakers are the better constructed team. Granted your team has arguably better chemistry and more proven vets but the talent and coaching of the Lakers put them ahead. There's really nothing to debate. Dallas played a great game, shot well, created turnovers and played decent D, as well as you can against the Lakers, but came up short.

[Findog]

Fin I like your takes but the Mavs are not a better team than the Lakers. They may win a game here and there but with this current incarnation of both teams the Lakers are the better constructed team. Granted your team has arguably better chemistry and more proven vets but the talent and coaching of the Lakers put them ahead. There's really nothing to debate. Dallas played a great game, shot well, created turnovers and played decent D, as well as you can against the Lakers, but came up short.

Oh, I agree the Lakers are slightly better, and they have a huge edge in coaching.

[ElNono]

Uh no, Kobe passed to open teammates when trapped, he didn't "take it to the hole." The Lakers spread the floor and have the game's best player. The Mavs have an idjit for a coach that calls a Dirk iso on one leg instead of a pick and roll with Kidd.

I don't care what Kobe did or did not do the rest of the game. Go take a look at the last play by the Lakers that put them up by 4. That's a guy delivering in the clutch.

[Findog]

His injury lookes pretty healed to me, especially on that off balance one footer he made to give you guys your last 4 point lead....oh, and it was off the injured ankle.

But, meh, you guys don't want the truth.

DD


:bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang

God you are so fucking stupid. I guess getting raped by Odom on defense and that awkward gait = completely healed.

High Ankle Sprain = 3-6 weeks of recovery. He's said himself he'd still be sitting out if this were November or December. Get a fucking clue.

[Findog]

I don't care what Kobe did or did not do the rest of the game. Go take a look at the last play by the Lakers that put them up by 4. That's a guy delivering in the clutch.

Yeah, Kobe is pretty clutch. I was just pointing out that the Mavs strategy was to take the ball out of his hands. It didn't work because they were trapping with Damp as the help defender.

[mattb_25]

God DD your fucking stupid.. He had a pretty bad injury, which most players who get them are out for more than 1 1/2 week. TO had something like dirk and was out for almost 3 weeks I think. Also Gibson was out for 6 weeks. So don't give this shit like it's not a bad injury just because dirk is tough as fuck and can play even when hes hurt..

And for the record your rockets team wont do shit. They can't even score 80 on the sonics.

[GuerillaBlack]

God DD your fucking stupid.. He had a pretty bad injury, which most players who get them are out for more than 1 1/2 week. TO had something like dirk and was out for almost 3 weeks I think. Also Gibson was out for 6 weeks. So don't give this shit like it's not a bad injury just because dirk is tough as fuck and can play even when hes hurt..

And for the record your rockets team wont do shit. They can't even score 80 on the sonics.
Gibson's injury was worse than Dirk's, but Dirk's was still pretty bad.

[mattb_25]

Gibson's injury was worse than Dirk's, but Dirk's was still pretty bad.

Oh well maybe it was, I didn't see it. But still give the guy fucking credit for coming back and playin so good man.

[dg7md]

Dirk has shown he has balls, but his team is underachieving completely, and a shakeup is in order.

[dav4463]

Why do the mavs insist on Dirk always taking the shot in a tied or 1 to 2 point game? He never delivers.

He misses the fadeaway step-back in the lane, then he catches it on his hip trying to drive to the basket with about 20 seconds left... should've been double dribble but Lakers stole it anyway......

Then, KOBE DID DELIVER...took it straight to the basket to put the game away drawing a foul with 17.8 seconds left.

That's the difference between a go-to guy (Kobe) and a guy who always gets the ball and rarely if ever delivers a game-winner.

Dirk did play an awesome game. It's just that in the final seconds of games, he simply is not a clutch player that you can depend on.

[dav4463]

How does Vujacic not get called for the constant reach-ins? That's all he does on defense


Reaching in is not a foul. Hitting someone is a foul. How are you ever going to steal the ball if you don't reach in? That's the dumbest thing fans say....."ref, he's reaching.." I wish once the ref could turn around and tell fans that reaching is not a foul. It's like over the back. Over the back is not a foul either, but if a player gets a rebound from behind, some fan will invariably yell "over the back". No one know the law of verticality rule in the stands.

[dav4463]

There's no point blaming Josh, that phantom call on odom was fucking ridiculous. Its time to move on and try to win our next game simple as that


How come mav fans never talk about the steal by J.Kidd on the pass to Kobe when Kidd has both arms around Kobe's waist and then pulled him back to get an advantage going after the loose ball?

Now, that was a foul, but I bet mark cuban won't send that in to the league complaining about a missed call. No, it went his way, so he liked it.

[ludda]

Why do the mavs insist on Dirk always taking the shot in a tied or 1 to 2 point game? He never delivers.

He misses the fadeaway step-back in the lane, then he catches it on his hip trying to drive to the basket with about 20 seconds left... should've been double dribble but Lakers stole it anyway......

Then, KOBE DID DELIVER...took it straight to the basket to put the game away drawing a foul with 17.8 seconds left.

That's the difference between a go-to guy (Kobe) and a guy who always gets the ball and rarely if ever delivers a game-winner.

Dirk did play an awesome game. It's just that in the final seconds of games, he simply is not a clutch player that you can depend on.

I agree, but who on the Mavs will deliver? Terry? Please, he got his shit blocked twice in the 4th. Howard? The most unclutch player on the Mavs? Kidd the wonder shooter? That's the Mavs main problem right there- continued over-reliance on Dirk. Mavs are still mostly one-dimensional jumpshooters.

[dav4463]

true.

[DaDakota]

Dirk chokes under pressure, and just because he is playing on a gimpy ankle does not excuse him fumbling that ball away...

You guys just can't handle the truth.

And Findog...I am not going to follow up with anyone, you made the assertion that Dirk insisted on the trade.....

Prove it, or stop saying it.

Weren't you just last week rooting for the Mavs to miss the playoffs so Avery can be fired and you guys keep your draft pick.

yeah, some fan you are....

DD

[JK2]

Dirk chokes under pressure, and just because he is playing on a gimpy ankle does not excuse him fumbling that ball away...

You guys just can't handle the truth.
wow. that statement sounds kind of funny from a rockets fan. your team is built around a proven loser and big time choker. Neither Dirk nor any other Mav is even close to that category. any team that has the luck to play the rockets in the first round can start selling tickets for the second round after the regular season.

[DaDakota]

Dirk and Tmac are exactly alike they choke under pressure.......remember the FTs in game 3 against Miami in the finals?

I agree with you about the Rockets, without Yao they are not favored to advance.....doesn't change the fact that Dirk fumbled that ball last night....essentially choking that game away.

DD

[Shank]

And Findog where is that LINK to back up your claim that Dirk wanted the Kidd trade.

DD

This is what I love about the Internet. Everyone thinks there's a link to everything they want to know. I'll back up what Findog said because I heard it from within the organization. How's that?

And even without a link, how much better did Dirk start to play once word got out that Kidd was coming? The news alone energized him.

[GuerillaBlack]

Links for something like that are easy to find. They should be in the many articles before the trade happened.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is what I love about the Internet. Everyone thinks there's a link to everything they want to know. I'll back up what Findog said because I heard it from within the organization. How's that?

And even without a link, how much better did Dirk start to play once word got out that Kidd was coming? The news alone energized him.

Sweet, so now you guys have an 'energized' choker instead of a malcontent one :spin

[DaDakota]

This is what I love about the Internet. Everyone thinks there's a link to everything they want to know. I'll back up what Findog said because I heard it from within the organization. How's that?

And even without a link, how much better did Dirk start to play once word got out that Kidd was coming? The news alone energized him.

Well I heard that Josh Howard was very upset that they traded Harris from inside the organization...how is that?

And no, I am NOT a Mavs fan, but I do know some top people in the organization....believe it or not, I don't care.

And if the organization was dumb enough to listen to a star player over what the GM should know is GOOD for the entire franchise than they deserve what they get.

You don't let a player make personel decisions, they may be good basketball players but that doesn't mean they know how to build a basketball team or to manage the egos and chemistry necessary.

Just look at Isaiah Thomas, or Kevin McHale, etc..etc...etc....there are some exceptions ...Joe Dumars...Jerry West, but there are far more failures of NBA players moving into exec positions and screwing it all up, because while they are great players, they are NOT great managers or builders....Michael Jordan anyone?

DD

[Findog]

Dirk chokes under pressure,

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Yeah, Dirk NEVER delivers in the clutch for his team.

What a fucking toolbox you are.



and just because he is playing on a gimpy ankle does not excuse him fumbling that ball away...

He's tough and gives 100% effort. You can't ask for anything more under the circumstances.




And Findog...I am not going to follow up with anyone, you made the assertion that Dirk insisted on the trade.....

Prove it, or stop saying it.

Stop being an idiot, or stop posting.



Weren't you just last week rooting for the Mavs to miss the playoffs so Avery can be fired and you guys keep your draft pick.

What do you know what I'm rooting for? You obviously haven't read all my posts.




yeah, some fan you are....

At least I didn't run and hide like a bitch when my team's winning streak was snapped and stop posting.

[clambake]

it's not because he fumbled it away.

look, who didin't know the ball was going to dirk? the fact that he get's stripped is happening more and more often.

[Findog]

Dirk and Tmac are exactly alike

DD

No, they are not "exactly alike," Dirk has made it out of the first round six times. Here is a helpful primer:

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[Findog]

Sweet, so now you guys have an 'energized' choker instead of a malcontent one :spin

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[DaDakota]

I will give you props on Dirk getting out of the first round....you win that argument. Tmac is a bigger choker than Dirk.

Now that the dust has settled, do you still feel that it was ok for Dirk to lose that ball?

I know he was playing hurt on a gimpy ankle but you have to get a shot up there, you just HAVE to.

DD

[Findog]

Now that the dust has settled, do you still feel that it was ok for Dirk to lose that ball?

They are trying to hold off GS and they have no chance to do that w/o him. I will take him at 70% and getting stripped everytime under the circumstances.



I know he was playing hurt on a gimpy ankle but you have to get a shot up there, you just HAVE to.


Or you run a pick and roll with Kidd instead of iso'ing Dirk on one ankle, but that's our idjit coach. If anybody choked last night, it was Josh throwing his headband.

[peskypesky]

Ok, this is coming from a bona-fide Mavs hater. All this talk about Dirk being a choker is bullshit. The dude has hit so many game-winning shots it's ridiculous. Sure, he misses some, but everybody misses sometime, even the greatest.

People over-use the term "choking". It reminds me of kids on the playground calling each other names.

And the fact is, Dirk was playing on a bum ankle last night. You can say that doesn't matter, but you can also say the moon is made out of cheese.

[2Cleva]

Ok, this is coming from a bona-fide Mavs hater. All this talk about Dirk being a choker is bullshit. The dude has hit so many game-winning shots it's ridiculous. Sure, he misses some, but everybody misses sometime, even the greatest.

People over-use the term "choking". It reminds me of kids on the playground calling each other names.

And the fact is, Dirk was playing on a bum ankle last night. You can say that doesn't matter, but you can also say the moon is made out of cheese.

Co-sign.

[DaDakota]

They are trying to hold off GS and they have no chance to do that w/o him. I will take him at 70% and getting stripped everytime under the circumstances.



Or you run a pick and roll with Kidd instead of iso'ing Dirk on one ankle, but that's our idjit coach. If anybody choked last night, it was Josh throwing his headband.

Dog, I respect you as a poster, and value your opinions, though I still think Dirk should not have turned it over, I can see your point.

And agree about the Iso issue.

DD

[ElNono]

I don't want to feed the trolls, but I don't agree with your assessment of Dirk, Findog.
How many close games you had this year alone against good teams and he didn't deliver when it mattered? I still remember the game early in the season against us without Duncan, when he choked the last 3 pointer that would have given your team the win.
That you had to go back 2 years to lift a video where he delivered says a lot about Dirk the clutch shooter. I could go and get the Game 3 NBA Finals FT video and counter with that, but it doesn't matter. I watch the games, he's the go to guy in the crunch and I know 9 out of 10 times he won't get it done.

[GuerillaBlack]

No, they are not "exactly alike," Dirk has made it out of the first round six times. Here is a helpful primer:

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And just as easily, you can post videos of Dirk choking in those same years during the playoffs (next series).

[dirk4mvp]

And just as easily, you can post videos of Dirk choking in those same years during the playoffs (next series).


Do you have any videos of T-Mac choking after the first round?

[DaDakota]

Do you have any videos of T-Mac choking after the first round?


Not yet, give us a year or so....

:D

DD

[dirk4mvp]

Seriously, how would it feel to have 3 whole series with a 2 game lead blown under your belt?

[GuerillaBlack]

Do you have any videos of T-Mac choking after the first round?
Plenty.

But in those playoff series, T-Mac did all he could. Teammates didn't pick up the slack. He was averaging 30 points in some of those series.

[dirk4mvp]

Plenty.




I can only find one.

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Technically the first round was over, and he did seem a little short of air, so yes, I guess he has choked after the first round before.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[peskypesky]

I watch the games, he's the go to guy in the crunch and I know 9 out of 10 times he won't get it done.

Yeah, right. If it were true that "9 times out of 10 he doesn't get it done", why would he be the go-to guy in crunch?

That's an idiotic statement. You're either stupid, or just talking trash.

[DaDakota]

I think most people fail in the clutch......there are a few exceptions...Kobe Bryant etc....but even his success rate is probably no more than 50%......

Dirk failed last night, he should not have lost that ball......

But, right now it is the Mavs heads that are the problem.....too many missed wide open shots down the stretch...especially Josh Howard...they just don't seem confident after the Kidd trade.

DD

[Findog]

How come mav fans never talk about the steal by J.Kidd on the pass to Kobe when Kidd has both arms around Kobe's waist and then pulled him back to get an advantage going after the loose ball?


Cuz it wasn't a foul.



Now, that was a foul, but I bet mark cuban won't send that in to the league complaining about a missed call. No, it went his way, so he liked it.

Give it a rest.

[Findog]

And just as easily, you can post videos of Dirk choking in those same years during the playoffs (next series).

Of course you can, but I'm not making absolutist statements like "Dirk is ALWAYS money in the clutch." That's just as ridiculous as saying "Dirk ALWAYS chokes and can't be counted on in crunchtime."

[DaDakota]

Of course you can, but I'm not making absolutist statements like "Dirk is ALWAYS money in the clutch." That's just as ridiculous as saying "Dirk ALWAYS chokes and can't be counted on in crunchtime."

Who is making absolute statements here?

DD

[Findog]

I still remember the game early in the season against us without Duncan, when he choked the last 3 pointer that would have given your team the win.

What you're doing is called cherrypicking. It seems to me that a "choker" is somebody who doesn't hit all of his shots in the 4th quarter, doesn't win all of his games or win multiple championships.



That you had to go back 2 years to lift a video where he delivered says a lot about Dirk the clutch shooter.

I was pulling playoff videos instead of regular season videos, with one exception.


I watch the games, he's the go to guy in the crunch and I know 9 out of 10 times he won't get it done

yeah, fucking right, you probably don't watch more than ten to fifteen Mavs games a year. Dirk delivers for his team plenty of times, and if you followed them as much as Mavs fans do, you'd know that. Anybody who is consistently counted on to always be the man is going to succeed AND fail plenty of times.

This is the biggest problem I have with the "choking:" Unless you win multiple titles and/or deliver EVERY SINGLE TIME, you get labeled a choker.

[Findog]

Who is making absolute statements here?

DD

You are, fucknuts.

[DaDakota]

You are, fucknuts.

Show me where I say "Dirk always chokes"

I said TMac and Dirk are chokers....that doesn't mean always....reading comprehension is not your bag, eh?

This looks like another Findog....leap to conclusions post again.

I thought you would have learned when you lost that bet to me last time......I guess not.


DD

[Findog]

Show me where I say "Dirk always chokes"

I said TMac and Dirk are chokers....that doesn't mean always....reading comprehension is not your bag, eh?

This looks like another Findog....leap to conclusions post again.

I thought you would have learned when you lost that bet to me last time......I guess not.


DD

You said TMac and Dirk are "exactly alike," you made light of Dirk's injury when it normally keeps people out for much longer, and you called him a choker. People's memories are painfully short.

[DaDakota]

You said TMac and Dirk are "exactly alike," you made light of Dirk's injury when it normally keeps people out for much longer, and you called him a choker. People's memories are painfully short.

None of those are absolute statements (which you said I was making).....they are opinions......but of course to Captain...leap to conclusions Findog...they are......

Still waiting on that link about Dirk driving that trade.....

And Dirk's injury wasn't all that severe.....thus him playing 10 days after he fell.....of course this is my opinion, yours is that people take longer to heal, of course you also have no idea how severe it was, even though he was walking on it the very next day...but I am sure it was a MASSIVE injury and he is just an UBER quick healer.

;)

DD

[DarrinS]

I don't think Dirk is really a choker (even though I've said so on occasion). That team would be a lottery team without him.


If he could get better at posting people in the low block, he'd be absolutely phenominal. Also, his D could improve.

That said, you have to give him props for playing so well last night, especially since coming back from that injury.


Just my opinion.

[Findog]

Still waiting on that link about Dirk driving that trade.....

DD

I'm still waiting on TMac to get out of the first round. Yeah, the Mavs made a huge trade without Dirk's approval.

[DaDakota]

Ok now you are changing your story, first it was Dirk WANTED the trade, now it was they consulted him....

At least we are making progress.....

And I am waiting on Tmac to get out of the first round too.....and I am still waiting on the Mavs to get that FIRST championship !!!!!!!!

DD - FTW

[Findog]

I don't think Dirk is really a choker (even though I've said so on occasion). That team would be a lottery team without him.


If he could get better at posting people in the low block, he'd be absolutely phenominal. Also, his D could improve.

That said, you have to give him props for playing so well last night, especially since coming back from that injury.


Just my opinion.

Tim Duncan can hit a sixteen foot jumper, but you don't want him doing that on a consistent basis. Dirk's post moves are mediocre at best, and he doesn't have the center of gravity to bowl people over. When he gets points in the paint, it's from drives facing the basket. The best thing to do is get him the ball on the wing and let him take a two-step pull up jumper before the defense is set. He is a 2 in a 4's body.

It would be nice if late in games Avery would put the ball in Kidd's hands and run a p'n'r instead of iso'ing Dirk and the defender can crowd him, thereby forcing him to drive where the defense can collapse on him. That's what happened last night on the strip by Odom.

[Findog]

Ok now you are changing your story, first it was Dirk WANTED the trade, now it was they consulted him....

At least we are making progress.....

And I am waiting on Tmac to get out of the first round too.....and I am still waiting on the Mavs to get that FIRST championship !!!!!!!!

DD - FTW

Hi da_suns_fan.

[DaDakota]

It would be nice if late in games Avery would put the ball in Kidd's hands and run a p'n'r instead of iso'ing Dirk and the defender can crowd him, thereby forcing him to drive where the defense can collapse on him. That's what happened last night on the strip by Odom.


The problem is for the PnR to truly work teams would have to honor Jason Kidd, and the fact of the matter is that both defenders would stick like glue to Dirk and let Kidd shoot a wide open shot.....you know why? Because he can't shoot.

I agree with your premise, but the players are faulty in your scenario.....

At least Harris could get to the rim in that scenario...Kidd can not....

Kidd is great in the open court in the half court, in the playoffs he is exposed, and if other players are not hitting jumpers.....then you are doomed.

Last night, Kidd did a very good job of getting wide open looks for both Terry and Howard and they could not knock them down.....

Kidd did ok, but in order for you guys to truly be a contender he has to be able to score the ball too....

Keep ducking and calling names Findog, that is what people who are getting Pwnded like you are...do....

DD

[Findog]

The problem is for the PnR to truly work teams would have to honor Jason Kidd, and the fact of the matter is that both defenders would stick like glue to Dirk and let Kidd shoot a wide open shot.....you know why? Because he can't shoot.

I agree with your premise, but the players are faulty in your scenario.....

At least Harris could get to the rim in that scenario...Kidd can not....

Kidd is great in the open court in the half court, in the playoffs he is exposed, and if other players are not hitting jumpers.....then you are doomed.

Last night, Kidd did a very good job of getting wide open looks for both Terry and Howard and they could not knock them down.....

Kidd did ok, but in order for you guys to truly be a contender he has to be able to score the ball too....

Keep ducking and calling names Findog, that is what people who are getting Pwnded like you are...do....

DD

Hi da_suns_fan.

[DaDakota]

Hi da_suns_fan.

Hi Mavs are chokers fan.

Run run run as fast as you can, you can't win an argument cause you are the Findog man....

[DarrinS]

Tim Duncan can hit a sixteen foot jumper, but you don't want him doing that on a consistent basis. Dirk's post moves are mediocre at best, and he doesn't have the center of gravity to bowl people over. When he gets points in the paint, it's from drives facing the basket. The best thing to do is get him the ball on the wing and let him take a two-step pull up jumper before the defense is set. He is a 2 in a 4's body.

It would be nice if late in games Avery would put the ball in Kidd's hands and run a p'n'r instead of iso'ing Dirk and the defender can crowd him, thereby forcing him to drive where the defense can collapse on him. That's what happened last night on the strip by Odom.


I just think if Dirk developed his low post moves, he could more or less "quarterback" the offense like Tim does on occasion when he draws aggressive double-teams. This style of play would've helped against Golden State (last year). Also, he's such a good shooter, he could throw in a lot of baseline turnaround J's, like Rasheed does.

[Findog]

Hi Mavs are chokers fan.

Run run run as fast as you can, you can't win an argument cause you are the Findog man....

You're just a troll here to rile people up. I'm not giving up on any argument, I'm just not getting suckered into dancing with you anymore. You're the guy who said Dirk's injury was nothing, said he was "exactly like T-Mac" and thinks he didn't want the Kidd trade to happen. I'll let that speak for itself.

This is the last non-trolling counter response you're getting from me. From here on out I'll just tell you to go suck on a KFC bowl.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hi Mavs are chokers fan.

Run run run as fast as you can, you can't win an argument cause you are the Findog man....
That sounded extremely gay. Just sayin.

[DaDakota]

You're just a troll here to rile people up. I'm not giving up on any argument, I'm just not getting suckered into dancing with you anymore. You're the guy who said Dirk's injury was nothing, said he was "exactly like T-Mac" and thinks he didn't want the Kidd trade to happen. I'll let that speak for itself.

This is the last non-trolling counter response you're getting from me. From here on out I'll just tell you to go suck on a KFC bowl.

I am not trolling, I am just holding you accountable, you are the one saying that Dirk wanted the trade, then you changed it to...uh, he was consulted....

As for the rest they are opinions....I think the Mavs are worse off now....have been saying that all along......and you know what?

I am right.

As for your little KFC game, it just bumps up the thread and makes you look like you are afraid of an argument.....

DD

[DaDakota]

That sounded extremely gay. Just sayin.

Meh, just having a bit of fun busting Findog's chops.....he likes to leap to conclusions and then runs when he is getting his arse handed to him in an argument.

And all this after I let him off a signature bet.

DD

[Gino]

I don't think the Mavs made a field goal in the last four minutes or something.

Seriously, I was cheering them on as best I could (which never seems to help for some reason), but they need to find a way to score down the stretch in tight games. They just can't hope to get to the free throw line.

[Findog]

Meh, just having a bit of fun busting Findog's chops.....he likes to leap to conclusions and then runs when he is getting his arse handed to him in an argument.

And all this after I let him off a signature bet.

DD

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[DaDakota]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

yep, typical cowardly response.

Just look up in the standings you will see the Rockets.....for the next SEVERAL years.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The Kidd trade was awful, Hey Mavs fans, Denial is not just a river in Africa.
:lol You're taking this too seriously.

[DaDakota]

:lol You're taking this too seriously.

Actually I am not taking it all that seriously at all.....I am confident in my rightness.

:D

Findog is just afraid to admit that his beloved team and owner made a catastrophic mistake in trading for Kidd.....but he will eventually come around, they always do...

Or are you asking me to take it a bit easier on Findog because he can't stand up for himself?

;)

DD

[GuerillaBlack]

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[Indazone]

http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

[Findog]

yep, typical cowardly response.

Just look up in the standings you will see the Rockets.....for the next SEVERAL years.

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[Findog]

It can only be Jared's

DD

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat

[DaDakota]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat
The Mavs are irrelevant.
DD

[DazedAndConfused]

The Mavs are irrelevant.
DD

No, you are irrelevant.

[Findog]

da_rockets_fan is making me like DaC. Weird times on Spurstalk when DaC sticks up for the Mavs.

[DaDakota]

da_rockets_fan is making me like DaC. Weird times on Spurstalk when DaC sticks up for the Mavs.

All you have to do is agree that the Kidd trade was stupid.....come on, you can do it.

DD

[Findog]

All you have to do is agree that the Kidd trade was stupid.....come on, you can do it.

DD

da_rockets fan FTW

[DazedAndConfused]

da_rockets_fan is making me like DaC. Weird times on Spurstalk when DaC sticks up for the Mavs.

My hatred for 99% of Rocket fans on this site far outweighs any ill will I have for the Mavs.

[Findog]

My hatred for 99% of Rocket fans on this site far outweighs any ill will I have for the Mavs.

I don't mind being put in my place by fans of a team that have Kobe or Duncan, but I have to get shit from a Rockets fan? When we've owned the Rockets for the last 3 years?

[Findog]

Matchman, The Franchise, Hemotivo and Guerrilla Black are good Rox fans, and Roxfan is okay most of the time. Just about the rest of them are douches.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

:clap :clap :clap If the Mavs just keep their cool and keep playing aggressive, they win this game with ease. Eh no biggie. They will rebound against the Suns. They are CHAMPIONS! :elephant :elephant :elephant

[da_suns_fan]

All you have to do is agree that the Kidd trade was stupid.....come on, you can do it.

DD

This is just weird. I was at the gym when this post was made so it COULDN'T have been me.

Could it?

[da_suns_fan]

The Mavs are irrelevant.
DD

I said this EXACT SAME thing a couple of months ago. :dizzy

I make jokes when Monos becomes my "tribute" poster (when he turns into da_suns_fan_) but this guy appears to be the real deal.

[DaDakota]

My hatred for 99% of Rocket fans on this site far outweighs any ill will I have for the Mavs.

That is because we knocked the Lakers out back in '81 and '86....I know it hurts...you can admit it.


I don't mind being put in my place by fans of a team that have Kobe or Duncan, but I have to get shit from a Rockets fan? When we've owned the Rockets for the last 3 years?

That era was traded away with Devin Harris......I hope you enjoyed it......because it is LONG GONE !!!


DD

[dirk4mvp]

That is because we knocked the Lakers out back in '81 and '86....I know it hurts...you can admit it.




DD


Oh yeah, I'm sure shit that happened 20+ makes Lakerfans cringe before they go sleep every night.

[DaDakota]

Oh yeah, I'm sure shit that happened 20+ makes Lakerfans cringe before they go sleep every night.

I know that was why it was funny.

DD

[dirk4mvp]

It was funny?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It was funny?
:lol

[ElNono]

Yeah, right. If it were true that "9 times out of 10 he doesn't get it done", why would he be the go-to guy in crunch?

That's an idiotic statement. You're either stupid, or just talking trash.

Because it's the best talent you got. I just don't think it's a player you want to build around. Same applies to T-Mac, Vince Carter, AI... they're all super talented guys, but they fail to deliver.

[DazedAndConfused]

Dirk would be an amazing complementary superstar player the way Pau Gasol is to Kobe. If the Mavs can find a low-post scoring option like Elton Brand, Dirk's game would really thrive.

[ElNono]

What you're doing is called cherrypicking. It seems to me that a "choker" is somebody who doesn't hit all of his shots in the 4th quarter, doesn't win all of his games or win multiple championships.

He had a full series last year to show up and put away the GSW. He even had the incentive of being the MVP. He didn't get it done.
These last month or two your team had 10 or so important games against teams over .500, all close games, he couldn't deliver on any (except the GSW game).

How am I cherry picking? Who cares if he hits the winning shot against Milwaukee? Save that WCF game against the Spurs two years ago, you'll be hard pressed to find more Nowitzky big moments. Every other talented player had it. T-Mac burned us for 13 points in like 3 minutes a few years ago. Highlight of his career, no doubt. But when it matters, he can't get it done.

[ElNono]

Dirk would be an amazing complementary superstar player the way Pau Gasol is to Kobe. If the Mavs can find a low-post scoring option like Elton Brand, Dirk's game would really thrive.

This I agree with. He would be an amazing complementary talent to a very good post guy. That's why I thought the trade for JKidd didn't solve that problem for them.

[Findog]

That era was traded away with Devin Harris......I hope you enjoyed it......because it is LONG GONE !!!


DD

You mean when we traded away Oscar Robertson, our third-best player, and replaced him with somebody better?

You can't render a verdict on the Kidd trade for another two years, just like you can't render a verdict on the Shaq trade until the end of next year.

[GuerillaBlack]

He had a full series last year to show up and put away the GSW. He even had the incentive of being the MVP. He didn't get it done.
These last month or two your team had 10 or so important games against teams over .500, all close games, he couldn't deliver on any (except the GSW game).

How am I cherry picking? Who cares if he hits the winning shot against Milwaukee? Save that WCF game against the Spurs two years ago, you'll be hard pressed to find more Nowitzky big moments. Every other talented player had it. T-Mac burned us for 13 points in like 3 minutes a few years ago. Highlight of his career, no doubt. But when it matters, he can't get it done.
He got close in that one Sunday afternoon game against the Lakers. Made key threes to send it to overtime and keep the Mavericks in the game.

[Findog]

He had a full series last year to show up and put away the GSW.

He was also hurt. Doesn't get any credit though for gutting it out since his team wasn't going anywhere without him.


He even had the incentive of being the MVP. He didn't get it done.
These last month or two your team had 10 or so important games against teams over .500, all close games, he couldn't deliver on any (except the GSW game).

They all went to the wire, and he sat out 3 of those games with injuries/suspensions.


How am I cherry picking? Who cares if he hits the winning shot against Milwaukee?

And who cares if he misses a shot against San Antonio in a regular season game, then? If you don't care about regular season shots, why reference one yourself?


Save that WCF game against the Spurs two years ago, you'll be hard pressed to find more Nowitzky big moments.

Torched the Suns for 50+ in the pivotal G5 of that series. Took the game over when the Suns took a seven point lead and looked like they were going to steal one in Dallas and take a 3-2 lead home to Phoenix. Matched Wade shot for shot in G5 of the Finals, including a tough runner over Shaq with 8 seconds left until Salvatore bailed Wade out. Put up 29 points and 15 boards, well over his season averages, in the final game of the Finals. Isn't that called raising your game?


But when it matters, he can't get it done.

When it matters, he's come through for his team and he's come up short. When you are your team's best player, you are going to be counted on, and you're going to succeed and fail. Dirk is no different. You're just cherrypicking his failures. When he hit that tough runner over Shaq to put the Mavs up, was that an example of him failing to come through for his team when Wade hit two free throws on the other end? Would you like it if I said Duncan choked and didn't come through for his team in the infamous .04 game because the Lakers pulled it out? Because it's the exact same scenario, Dirk made a tough shot and then the opposition scored on the other end. You can't put that one on Dirk.

[DazedAndConfused]

You know who else won MVP and then got obliterated in the 2nd round of the WC playoffs a few years ago?

[ElNono]

He was also hurt. Doesn't get any credit though for gutting it out since his team wasn't going anywhere without him.

He doesn't get the credit because when he wanted to show up in those series, he did, like the game you won at home. But the Mavs needed Dirk to play like that every game, and he just flat out didn't do it. I mean, it's not like SJax is/was All NBA defensive 1st team or something.


They all went to the wire, and he sat out 3 of those games with injuries/suspensions.

1-8 the record without counting the games he missed. And yeah, the whole point is that they went to the wire. That's when the Mavs go to Dirk. The record speaks for itself.


And who cares if he misses a shot against San Antonio in a regular season game, then? If you don't care about regular season shots, why reference one yourself?

I'm pointing out important games vs meaningless games. Any divisional/conference game the last 3 months or so have been huge, to the point that it carries serious consequences, like missing the playoffs entirely.


Torched the Suns for 50+ in the pivotal G5 of that series. Took the game over when the Suns took a seven point lead and looked like they were going to steal one in Dallas and take a 3-2 lead home to Phoenix. Matched Wade shot for shot in G5 of the Finals, including a tough runner over Shaq with 8 seconds left until Salvatore bailed Wade out. Put up 29 points and 15 boards, well over his season averages, in the final game of the Finals. Isn't that called raising your game?

Now you're cherry picking. How about the FT he missed in game 3? Was that not pivotal? The Mavs had a sizeable lead in the Finals at that point.
The end result? 2nd place. He can't get it done. Maybe your team needed 35 and 20 boards from him to win the final game. Players like Kobe or Duncan are not shy of going well over their career averages in games like that. TD went for 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks in the closeout game against the Nets. Then again, 9 out 10 times you can count on TD to deliver.


When it matters, he's come through for his team and he's come up short. When you are your team's best player, you are going to be counted on, and you're going to succeed and fail. Dirk is no different. You're just cherrypicking his failures. When he hit that tough runner over Shaq to put the Mavs up, was that an example of him failing to come through for his team when Wade hit two free throws on the other end? Would you like it if I said Duncan choked and didn't come through for his team in the infamous .04 game because the Lakers pulled it out? Because it's the exact same scenario, Dirk made a tough shot and then the opposition scored on the other end. You can't put that one on Dirk.

I'm not putting plays like that on him. That's all on Wade. He had the game's decision in his hands after Dirk's shot and he took care of business. What I'm pointing out is Dirk delivering when *HE* had to decide an important game in the last play.

[ElNono]

You know who else won MVP and then got obliterated in the 2nd round of the WC playoffs a few years ago?

A guy that won an NBA championship by then and went to win 3 more?

[GuerillaBlack]

You know who else won MVP and then got obliterated in the 2nd round of the WC playoffs a few years ago?
I know you are trying to get on Findog's good side, but this seriously fails.

[DazedAndConfused]

Dirk would make a great complementary star player. Pair him up with a legit low post presence and DAL would have won at least two rings by now. A new PG was not what they needed, they needed an interior scorer to throw the ball into to get easy buckets when the jumpshots aren't falling.

The same criticism that gets heaped onto Dirk is the same criticism that Gasol faced in Memphis. The fact is both were on teams that didn't have the right makeup to win in the post season.

[ludda]

Dirk is not the type of guy who can just dominate games and takeover in the clutch time and again. But the whole "choker" label is completely overrated, if he was such a choker, the Mavs wouldnt be the good team that they are, they would be a .500 team, especially when you consider how no one else on that team can really deliver in crunchtime either. And their second option, howard, plays his best before halftime.