Manifesto

[balli]

If everybody in the world took advantage of marijuana’s gifts, quite assuredly, Planet Earth would be a very much different and ultimately better, place to exist. In this manner, marijuana is almost wholly unique. One could not make the argument that a worldwide heroin addiction would result in a net positive gain in what we could label as “goodness” or more explicitly put, morality at it’s most humanizing of levels. Neither could this argument be made in affirmation of alcohol, cocaine, amphetamines or tobacco. Even by advocates and users of these drugs, the fallibility of using is well-known and it would be unlikely that even they would advocate those drugs as entities that would spawn positive change on a global scale. Therefore marijuana stands almost entirely alone. Good arguments can be made, not only for its legalization, which logic dictates should be a foregone conclusion, but rather that it should be more widely used and in fact utilized by nearly every person on Earth.

As this argument affirms in the end, an infinitely better human race one can only reach a single simple conclusion… It is not as widely assumed, marijuana, which threatens society, but rather the other way around; society is a direct and at this point irrevocable threat to marijuana and therefore is a threat unto humanities’ own potential. The prohibition of marijuana is analogous to a genetic insufficiency preventing health in one area of the body, therefore poisoning the remaining whole.

Our prohibitive decision makers have stunted and contained the potential growth of humanity and perhaps, have led us instead, to a path of self-annihilation. It is in this knowledge that it is the duty of every moral person, everywhere, to entirely reject the world around them. One must think of modern, post-industrial society as a threat and danger not only to oneself, but to the past, present and future of humanity as well. The onus is on all to suffer and strive against the merciless tide, even though assuredly it will result in martyrdom and defeat. In this end, by ourselves or God, judgment will be passed and those who were courageous enough to fight, will, in glorious rapture, be vindicated in our mighty struggle.

[smeagol]

huh?

[balli]

huh?

Exactly.

[Nbadan]

As this argument affirms in the end, an infinitely better human race one can only reach a single simple conclusion… It is not as widely assumed, marijuana, which threatens society, but rather the other way around; society is a direct and at this point irrevocable threat to marijuana and therefore is a threat unto humanities’ own potential. The prohibition of marijuana is analogous to a genetic insufficiency preventing health in one area of the body, therefore poisoning the remaining whole.

There are places where Marijuana is legal, but still no heaven on earth.....could it be that your just high?

[Extra Stout]

One would need to be stoned out of one's mind to think the original post has any coherence whatsoever.

[balli]

There are places where Marijuana is legal, but still no heaven on earth.....could it be that your just high?

Legality? I'm not arguing for legality, or even that the world could change at this point. We missed that boat a long time ago.

A few cannibus clubs, smack dab in the middle of babylon aren't going to change shit. Short of nearly every person on earth becoming a smoker and henceforth, radically changing the way they live and think, nothing ever will. It's too late for humanity. That's why I said:


The onus is on all to suffer and strive against the merciless tide, even though assuredly it will result in martyrdom and defeat.
and

society is a direct and at this point irrevocable threat to marijuana

My point is that if you smoke cannibus the world will make you unhappy and society will turn you into a martyr. If you abstain, you're just a part of said society. There is no out here; socirty has made it so you lose either way. I guess I'd personally rather be made into a martyr than become a complacent part of the unsolvable and irrevocable problem.

[balli]

One would need to be stoned out of one's mind to think the original post has any coherence whatsoever.

My post doesn't lack coherence just because you're an idiot without reading ability or the capacity to think outside your own little box.

Here let me help you with what you don't understand:


If everybody in the world took advantage of marijuana’s gifts, quite assuredly, Planet Earth would be a very much different and ultimately better, place to exist.
I started with this premise, agreed? You don't have to agree with it, but you'd be wrong


In this manner, marijuana is almost wholly unique. One could not make the argument that a worldwide heroin addiction would result in a net positive gain in what we could label as “goodness” or more explicitly put, morality at it’s most humanizing of levels. Neither could this argument be made in affirmation of alcohol, cocaine, amphetamines or tobacco. Even by advocates and users of these drugs, the fallibility of using is well-known and it would be unlikely that even they would advocate those drugs as entities that would spawn positive change on a global scale. Therefore marijuana stands almost entirely alone.
What doesn't make sense here? Marijuana is unique. Even you don't agree with my above premise, you have to conceed that a good argument could've been made in it's defense. This is not true of any other drug. Don't see what's incoherent bout that?



As this argument affirms in the end, an infinitely better human race one can only reach a single simple conclusion… It is not as widely assumed, marijuana, which threatens society, but rather the other way around; society is a direct and at this point irrevocable threat to marijuana and therefore is a threat unto humanities’ own potential. The prohibition of marijuana is analogous to a genetic insufficiency preventing health in one area of the body, therefore poisoning the remaining whole.

If you agreed to my premise, the logical conclusion leads you to this.^ Seems pretty coherent to me.


Our prohibitive decision makers have stunted and contained the potential growth of humanity and perhaps, have led us instead, to a path of self-annihilation. It is in this knowledge that it is the duty of every moral person, everywhere, to entirely reject the world around them. One must think of modern, post-industrial society as a threat and danger not only to oneself, but to the past, present and future of humanity as well. The onus is on all to suffer and strive against the merciless tide, even though assuredly it will result in martyrdom and defeat. In this end, by ourselves or God, judgment will be passed and those who were courageous enough to fight, will, in glorious rapture, be vindicated in our mighty struggle.

If you accept my premise and if accept where it leads you, this ^ is just a plea that you do something about it.


Listen, disagree with me all you like. Reject the premise that marijuana could've taken humanity to a better place. Don't call my argument incoherent though. Incoherency means non-sensicle. Arguments don't become non-sensicle just because you disagree with them.

[RandomGuy]

So... if we all partook of marijuana the world would be a utopia.

:rollin :rollin :rollin

I would certainly invest in companies that make microwave burritos. :greedy

[RandomGuy]

I must admit that I would rather live next to a group of college kids who sat around smoking a joint every weekend than a group that downed a bottle of Jack every weekend.

[Extra Stout]

No, seriously, you have to be stoned for that to make any sense. You are arguing that marijuana is the catalyst for "positive change on a global scale." That is the high point of your treatise.

You then go on to say several really stupid things, to wit:

1) that society is a threat to humanity's potential.

2) that prohibition of marijuana might perhaps lead to mankind's self-annihilation.

3) that every moral person must reject the world around them.

4) that modern, post-industrialist society is a threat to the past of humanity, among other things

5) that something, which cannot be discerned because you are incoherent (prohibition of marijuana? post-industrialist society? the world in general? are post-industrialist society and the world in general defined by the prohibition of marijuana? what?) is a "merciless tide" to suffer and strive against

6) that in striving against the prohibition or marijuana, or whatever it is you think you are actually talking about, you will assuredly be martyred, i.e. killed

7) there will be some kind of judgment by someone, that will vindicate those who "gloriously" fight against prohibition of marijuana, or whatever it is you think you are actually talking about, in a glorious rapture (on a cloud of marijuana smoke, perhaps?).

None of that makes any sense. In working with the homeless, I find that some of them say things akin to what you just said. This is because they are mentally ill, and mental health services that could help them are underfunded. That, or they are too sick to remember to take their medicine. It is very sad.

You, however, are typing these things because you are frittering your mind away on pot.

[Don Quixote]

I thought the first post was incoherent and nonsensical ... but funny.

Seriously. People believe this!? High comedy, my friend.

[balli]

So... if we all partook of marijuana the world would be a utopia.

:rollin :rollin :rollin

I would certainly invest in companies that make microwave burritos. :greedy

Thanks for the support but in my utopia we wouldn't have microwaves. Probably not even electricity.


No, seriously, you have to be stoned for that to make any sense. You are arguing that marijuana is the catalyst for "positive change on a global scale." That is the high point of your treatise.

You then go on to say several really stupid things, to wit:

1) that society is a threat to humanity's potential.

Are we living up to our potential as human beings? I'd say no. What's preventing it? Modern society and it's decision makers.


2) that prohibition of marijuana might perhaps lead to mankind's self-annihilation.
I never said prohibition would lead to self-destruction. I meant that allowance and use would prevent self destruction.


Look man. I'm a goddamned radical. And if my post was non-sensicle it's because I was being purposefully poetic and melodramatic. I didn't expect this to change your damn mind, I just felt like saying it.

In my book, we really shouldn't have things like electricity or money. Abortion should be mandatory. If you disagree with me, I want you dead. I mean, I'm not proposing anything here that would ever have any chance of succeeding in the real world. The worlds too far gone. So far gone that you can't even begin to picture it differently. All I can say is this. You'd better hope I never become dictator because people like you would be in for a world of hurt.

If you're trying to win this argument on logic, stop. I'm not going to make an argument that you'll like so I'm not even going to try. Just know thta when shit hits the fan in this world and there's chaos everywhere, I'm gonna be there then.

I don't drive. I don't pay taxes. I don't drink anything but water. I don't buy anything I don't absolutely need to live. Basically, I am as far out of this world as being an American citizen will allow and I'm so detached from it's destruction that it isn't even funny. When judgment day comes, we'll see who's standing there saying "I told you so."

[Extra Stout]

Look man. I'm a goddamned radical. And if my post was non-sensivle it's because I was being purposefully poetic and melodramatic. I didn't expect this to change your damn mind, I just felt like saying it. In my book, we really shouldn't have things like electricity or money. Abortion should be mandatory. If you disagree with me, I want you dead.

I mean, I'm not proposing anything that would ever have any chance of succeeding. The worlds too far gone. So far gone that you can't even begin to picture it differently. All I can say is this. You'd better hope never become dictator because people like you would be in for a world of hurt.
OK, I stand corrected. You aren't simply frittering your mind away on pot. You're every bit as insane as those homeless people I work with, except that apparently you also believe in mass murder, dream of being the next Pol Pot, and even have no problem threatening over the internet to kill people.

Nice.

[balli]

OK, I stand corrected. You aren't simply frittering your mind away on pot. You're every bit as insane as those homeless people I work with, except that apparently you also believe in mass murder, dream of being the next Pol Pot, and even have no problem threatening over the internet to kill people.

Nice.

I'm not threatening anyone. Unless of course, you actually think I have a shot at being a global dictator.

And again in case you missed it:

I don't drive. I don't pay taxes. I don't drink anything but water. I don't buy anything I don't absolutely need to live. Basically, I am as far out of this world as being an American citizen will allow and I'm so detached from it's destruction that it isn't even funny. When judgment day comes, we'll see who's standing there saying I told you so. And you can apologize then for being a part of the problem. Me, I'll have my fucking pride and soul intact.

[SAGambler]

You'd better hope I never become dictator because people like you would be in for a world of hurt.

I think we can safely assume that is never going to happen.

[balli]

Yes we can.

[xrayzebra]

I'm not threatening anyone. Unless of course, you actually think I have a shot at being a global dictator.

And again in case you missed it:

I don't drive. I don't pay taxes. I don't drink anything but water. I don't buy anything I don't absolutely need to live. Basically, I am as far out of this world as being an American citizen will allow and I'm so detached from it's destruction that it isn't even funny. When judgment day comes, we'll see who's standing there saying I told you so. And you can apologize then for being a part of the problem. Me, I'll have my fucking pride and soul intact.


Then why do have a computer. It is not necessary for
you to live. Guess you are just another stupid hypocrite,
left wing nutcase. Oh, and in case your not aware of it
you must have electricity to make it work.
:dizzy

[balli]

Then why do have a computer. It is not necessary for
you to live. Guess you are just another stupid hypocrite,
left wing nutcase. Oh, and in case your not aware of it
you must have electricity to make it work.
:dizzy

Tell you what Ray, you muster up a few hundred thousand dollars and buy me some of the world's precious, remaining, open land and I'll live off it. Then convince the govt. not to lock me up for poaching my food and I'll live off that too.

Unfortunately ray, people like you have made the world what it is- and that's an inescapable babylon that I can't get away from entirely. And that makes me a hypocrite?

I need to eat to live. I need money to eat. I need my computer to make money. Therefore, yes, I do need my computer to live. Now fuck off, crazy ray.

[PixelPusher]

Maybe ballijuana is channeling a former life as a Hun/Mongol/Seljuk horseman of the Central Asian Steppes. They loved to get baked on marijuana, and they were a threat to "civilization" for many centuries.

[Extra Stout]

I think ballijuana dreams of being a semi-nomadic subsistence farmer where he can grow all the marijuana he pleases, make just enough food to live on, kill the occasional wild beast, and be left alone.

There aren't many places left on earth where that is feasible anymore. 6 billion people take up a lot of resources, and low-yield subsistence agriculture won't support that many people. It's only because of the green revolution that we could get population that high in the first place. However, the green revolution does not appear to be sustainable, which means at some point famine will hit.

Now, if somehow we could just kill off 95%+ of humanity in that famine, maybe mix in a nuclear holocaust, or some kind of pandemic, that would get us back down to a more reasonable 300 million or so, and ballijuana might be able to live his dream. His view makes sense; most likely those 5 billion+ people would object to dying, which in his view would justify their being killed. They're all part of this modern Whore of Babylon anyway. The best land is in the temperate zones of the northern hemisphere, which is where the worst offenders most deserving of death conveniently are located. It's all quite elegant.

[Don Quixote]

I'm convinced! Let's kill those capitalist pigs.

[balli]

I think ballijuana dreams of being a semi-nomadic subsistence farmer where he can grow all the marijuana he pleases, make just enough food to live on, kill the occasional wild beast, and be left alone.

There aren't many places left on earth where that is feasible anymore. 6 billion people take up a lot of resources, and low-yield subsistence agriculture won't support that many people. It's only because of the green revolution that we could get population that high in the first place. However, the green revolution does not appear to be sustainable, which means at some point famine will hit.

Now, if somehow we could just kill off 95%+ of humanity in that famine, maybe mix in a nuclear holocaust, or some kind of pandemic, that would get us back down to a more reasonable 300 million or so, and ballijuana might be able to live his dream. His view makes sense; most likely those 5 billion+ people would object to dying, which in his view would justify their being killed. They're all part of this modern Whore of Babylon anyway. The best land is in the temperate zones of the northern hemisphere, which is where the worst offenders most deserving of death conveniently are located. It's all quite elegant.

Exactly. Thanks for understanding buddy.

No joke- me > 5 billion + people

[xrayzebra]

Ah, he craves understanding. Isn't that sweet!

[mbass]

I'm not threatening anyone. Unless of course, you actually think I have a shot at being a global dictator.

And again in case you missed it:

I don't drive. I don't pay taxes. I don't drink anything but water. I don't buy anything I don't absolutely need to live. Basically, I am as far out of this world as being an American citizen will allow and I'm so detached from it's destruction that it isn't even funny. When judgment day comes, we'll see who's standing there saying I told you so. And you can apologize then for being a part of the problem. Me, I'll have my fucking pride and soul intact.

Let's see - you almost have your master's degree and have a good job at an architectural firm - and smoke pot with attorneys and businessmen. And you don't pay taxes - something doesn't add up.

I liked your reference to Judgment day - who's the judge?

[balli]

Let's see - you almost have your master's degree and have a good job at an architectural firm - and smoke pot with attorneys and businessmen. And you don't pay taxes - something doesn't add up.

I liked your reference to Judgment day - who's the judge?

It all adds up, yes sir. My ex-GF's dad is one of the better defense attorneys in SLC. He used to smoke with us all the time. In fact, there's potheads in just about any line of work you could imagine.

As far as taxes go, I'm set up to get nothing deducted from my checks other than SS and medicare. Thus, the onus is on me to file taxes. I simply don't file. Haven't done so in three years. If I get busted, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, but damn if I'm willingly going to enable the US govt. to kill iraqis using my money.

Although I'll admit, I'm considering catching up and filing this year just so I can flush my $600.00 stimulus check down the fucking toilet.


God... probably.

[mbass]

It all adds up, yes sir. My ex-GF's dad is one of the better defense attorneys in SLC. He used to smoke with us all the time. In fact, there's potheads in just about any line of work you could imagine.

As far as taxes go, I'm set up to get nothing deducted from my checks other than SS and medicare. Thus, the onus is on me to file taxes. I simply don't file. Haven't done so in three years. If I get busted, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, but damn if I'm willingly going to enable the US govt. to kill iraqis using my money.

Although I'll admit, I'm considering catching up and filing this year just so I can flush my $600.00 stimulus check down the fucking toilet.


God... probably.

You must work as an independent contractor - if employed in a traditional business situation, withholding is mandatory and your employer could be in deep shit.

[smeagol]

crazy ray.


You insulting somebody using the word crazy is the definition of ironic