I guess we can pry that gun now...

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

BREAKING NEWS: Actor Charlton Heston dead at 84

[RashoFan]

Rip

[E20]

So who was the guy who played the dude in the Death Wish series.

Bummer he died. Apes, Ben Hur, Moses man RIP.

[marini martini]

NRA, son's of bitches!
RIP, Charlton :toast

[E20]

Michael Moore :flipoff

[Fillmoe]

somewhere michael moore is sippin em back while laughing his ass off

[CuckingFunt]

This made me happy*. Am I going to hell?









*Happiness is about 35% based on his NRA ties and ridiculous comments about the evils of mixing races, and about 65% based on his "acting."

[slacker77]

so who's going to take his spot at the NRA?

[samikeyp]

So who was the guy who played the dude in the Death Wish series.

Bummer he died. Apes, Ben Hur, Moses man RIP.

Death Wish was Charles Bronson

[marini martini]

.

[T Park]

I'll gladly send some money to the NRA in his memory.

Glad someone or some people are out there wanting to protect our right to bear arms.

[E20]

Charles Bronson is BAD ASS He's the old fart of Stallone's.

[marini martini]

so who's going to take his spot at the NRA?

Larry the Cable Guy :lol

[E20]

This made me happy*. Am I going to hell?









*Happiness is about 35% based on his NRA ties and ridiculous comments about the evils of mixing races, and about 65% based on his "acting."
He scared of your kind (homos) so add another 10%. I'm sure he was not racist.

I can't really dislike him for being in the NRA. WTF cares?

[CuckingFunt]

I'm sure he was not racist.

He made some comments in "Bowling for Columbine" that would prove otherwise.

[E20]

He made some comments in "Bowling for Columbine" that would prove otherwise.
So why was he a liberal democrat and a civil rights activist and escorted Dr. King to his I give a dream speech during the 60's?

[marini martini]

So why was he a liberal democrat and a civil rights activist and escorte d Dr. King to his I have a dream speech during the 60's?

[CuckingFunt]

So why was he a liberal democrat and a civil rights activist and escorted Dr. King to his I give a dream speech during the 60's?Because people change over time? I don't know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2x6-CF2h4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2x6-CF2h4)

Skip ahead to about 3:30 in that clip. His first response to the question about why there are more gun deaths in the US than in Canada is that it's due to the US having more mixed enthnicities.

[E20]

Because people change over time? I don't know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2x6-CF2h4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2x6-CF2h4)

Skip ahead to about 3:30 in that clip. His first response to the question about why there are more gun deaths in the US than in Canada is that it's due to the US having more mixed enthnicities.
The point he was trying to make is that poor people commit a majority of the crimes, poor people are not often white. And if I bust out a chart with the number murders committed by non-whites and it's greater than whites am I being racist? Also I heard that during his interview with Moore he had Alzhiemers or was ill/had some other problem.

[E20]

Shelly was hell of right every thread gets turned into an argument on ST.

[mrsmaalox]

He was one "larger-than-life" character, and seemed like quite a crotchety old fart too! RIP. Oh, and if you've never seen "Soylent Green", you should.

[Don Quixote]

This made me happy*. Am I going to hell?

*Happiness is about 35% based on his NRA ties and ridiculous comments about the evils of mixing races, and about 65% based on his "acting."

Hmmm ... his Wikipedia entry says "he was one of a handful of Hollywood stars to publicly speak out against racism and was active in the civil rights movement. During the latter part of his movie career, he starred in films such as The Omega Man and Soylent Green that had a strong environmental message."

Campaigned for Stevenson and Kennedy, two liberal presidential candidates. Opposed segregation and McCarthyism. Although he appears to have had a political change of heart in the 60's and became a conservative (good move!), there's really nothing in his life to suggest that he was a racist, and a good amount of evidence against that idea.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5678119.html
I understand David Duke praised him for something he said. What did he say? Duke is an unsavory character and a real jerk, but we need to avoid ad hominem arguments -- David Duke praised "it", therefore "it" is evil.

As for Michael Moore ... I wouldn't take his work too seriously. He's been in trouble for manipulating interviews to make them say what he wants them to say. And it seemed that Moore was trying to blame Heston for the school shooting that had happened in Michigan prior to the Columbine film. I'd be mad too if some wacko misinterpreted my message and killed a kid, and then some nutty filmmaker blamed me for it!

But if you can find any racist statements that he's made, do link to them.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The point he was trying to make is that poor people commit a majority of the crimes, poor people are not often white. And if I bust out a chart with the number murders committed by non-whites and it's greater than whites am I being racist? Also I heard that during his interview with Moore he had Alzhiemers or was ill/had some other problem.I'm almost dead certain you don't have the numbers to back that claim up...

[CuckingFunt]

The point he was trying to make is that poor people commit a majority of the crimes, poor people are not often white. And if I bust out a chart with the number murders committed by non-whites and it's greater than whites am I being racist? Also I heard that during his interview with Moore he had Alzhiemers or was ill/had some other problem.If you busted out a chart with those numbers, I would first ask to see how they were compiled and by whom. Statements like his, and yours, especially without a shred of evidence to back it up, are based on nothing more than prejudices and stereotypes and are, therefore, incredibly racist.

Also, I find it hard to believe that he was suffering from Alzheimer's to the degree that he couldn't handle an interview, but he was still able to fulfill his obligations to the NRA at the same time. Not to mention that, last time I checked, blatant racism was not, in fact, a symptom of Alzheimer's.


Shelly was hell of right every thread gets turned into an argument on ST.
You mean like when you responded to my first comment by calling me a homo?

[E20]

I'm almost dead certain you don't have the numbers to back that claim up...
I don't, but because he said that doesn't automaticall make him racist. I don't even know why I am arguing with CF over this LMAO I don't even care for the guy personally LOL. Just paying some respects, a life is a life. I'm gonna quit taking this thread seriously now.

[Don Quixote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2x6-CF2h4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2x6-CF2h4)

Skip ahead to about 3:30 in that clip. His first response to the question about why there are more gun deaths in the US than in Canada is that it's due to the US having more mixed enthnicities.

Hmmm ... that might make him wrong.

Still doesn't make him a racist. All that proves is that he thought that different "races" tend to conflict with each other. But he may have been wrong.

[Fillmoe]

I don't know.



You lost after that.. stop typing

[E20]

If you busted out a chart with those numbers, I would first ask to see how they were compiled and by whom. Statements like his, and yours, especially without a shred of evidence to back it up, are based on nothing more than prejudices and stereotypes and are, therefore, incredibly racist.

Also, I find it hard to believe that he was suffering from Alzheimer's to the degree that he couldn't handle an interview, but he was still able to fulfill his obligations to the NRA at the same time. Not to mention that, last time I checked, blatant racism was not, in fact, a symptom of Alzheimer's.


You mean like when you responded to my first comment by calling me a homo?

To the bolded part: Taking a fucking joke cuckingfunt. You talk about how you fuck other chicks but when someone calls you a homo you get emo. wtf

To the rest of your post:

I don't even know why I am arguing with CF over this LMAO I don't even care for the guy personally LOL. Just paying some respects, a life is a life. I'm gonna quit taking this thread seriously now.
Also I disagree that if I present a chart with the murders in America compiled by the ACLU and that 51% was due to non whites and 49 to whites I would be considered racist.

[E20]

And how are my statements racist? I'm stating what Heston said. Way to lable me racist cuckingfunt

[Fillmoe]

yesterday you called me a raghead... you fucking racist

[Don Quixote]

Also I disagree that if I present a chart with the murders in America compiled by the ACLU and that 51% was due to non whites and 49 to whites I would be considered racist.

But, of course, we would never commit the genetic fallacy on this board!

[E20]

In all honesty I don't know why the guy changed and shit. Maybe the fact that he was over a bajillion years old, maybe he went cuckoo for cocopuffs and that got to him or something.

[E20]

But, of course, we would never commit the genetic fallacy on this board!
Are you calling me a racist? LMAO

[E20]

yesterday you called me a raghead... you fucking racist
I can cal you that I'm a raghead as well.

[Fillmoe]

lies.....

[CuckingFunt]

To the bolded part: Taking a fucking joke cuckingfunt.I can take a joke just fine, but you have to at least acknowledge the humor in your shock that the thread turned into an argument when you're the one who took it there.


Also I disagree that if I present a chart with the murders in America compiled by the ACLU and that 51% was due to non whites and 49 to whites I would be considered racist.
You can argue whether or not that "chart" would be considered racist until the cows come home, but it doesn't matter because there was no such chart presented when Chuck was interviewed.


And how are my statements racist? I'm stating what Heston said. Way to lable me racist cuckingfunt
I didn't label you anything. I said your comments were racist, and they were.

[E20]

lies.....
Check the troll forum, it's in teh third page I made a thread about it it's clled Hi.

[E20]

I can take a joke just fine, but you have to at least acknowledge the humor in your shock that the thread turned into an argument when you're the one who took it there.


You can argue whether or not that "chart" would be considered racist until the cows come home, but it doesn't matter because there was no such chart presented when Chuck was interviewed.


I didn't label you anything. I said your comments were racist, and they were.
I'm cool with your 1st and 2nd statement. But how were my comments racist? I was stating what Heston was stating.

[Fillmoe]

you're not raghead... you're terrorist... get your racist stereotypes straight....

[CuckingFunt]

I'm cool with your 1st and 2nd statement. But how were my comments racist? I was stating what Heston was stating.If you were just trying to clarify Heston's comments, as you claim, and his comments were racist, then you were restating racist comments. Seems pretty self explanatory to me.

[E20]

you're not raghead... you're terrorist... get your racist stereotypes straight....
We wear rags on our heads as well.

[E20]

If you were just trying to clarify Heston's comments, as you claim, and his comments were racist, then you were restating racist comments. Seems pretty self explanatory to me.
Okay fine good you win this arguement. As I said he went cuckoo for those goddamn puffs.

[Fillmoe]

We wear rags on our heads as well.


but i rather not have you bastards associated with us..... we wear red dots not bombs....

[BonnerDynasty]

Rip

Fuck the anti-gun peeps :elephant

[E20]

but i rather not have you bastards associated with us..... we wear red dots not bombs....
Our rags are more illustrious if you will. ROFL
Bombs = arabs, not me. If we're gonna continue this convo it'd best not be in a charls heston thread.

[Fillmoe]

theres a difference between arabs and muslims?

[E20]

theres a difference between arabs and muslims?
Have you noticed that all the baddies are arabs and not afghans.

[Don Quixote]

theres a difference between arabs and muslims?

Um, yes. Some Arabs are Christian, mostly in Palestine. But they are predominantly Moslem.

[braeden0613]

so who's going to take his spot at the NRA?
Im pretty sure a different guy has been the president for years.

[ChuckD]

Have you noticed that all the baddies are arabs and not afghans.
The people in the tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan who run the camps are Pashtuns, and not the least bit Arab.

[T Park]

As for Michael Moore ... I wouldn't take his work too seriously

Seeing as hes lied, and manipulated information in his movies hes nothing but a fat fictional movie maker who thinks hes making documentaries.

[PEP]

RIP, I hope Michael Moore isnt too far behind.

[johnsmith]

CF is starting to seem like more and more of a typical lesbian bitch i n every single post.


By the way, how come when ANYone else dies and someone makes fun of it they are automatically labeled assholes, but when a dude like this dies, everyone jumps in with typical shit like this.

I also think it's sort of funny that all the "facts" about this dude's personality are based around what Micheal Moore told you to believe about him.

[PEP]

CF is starting to seem like more and more of a typical lesbian bitch i n every single post.


By the way, how come when ANYone else dies and someone makes fun of it they are automatically labeled assholes, but when a dude like this dies, everyone jumps in with typical shit like this.

I also think it's sort of funny that all the "facts" about this dude's personality are based around what Micheal Moore told you to believe about him.
Good point, everything else he has done in his life (MLK, etc) is dismissed but what Michael Moore says is gospel.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

CF is starting to seem like more and more of a typical lesbian bitch i n every single post.

By the way, how come when ANYone else dies and someone makes fun of it they are automatically labeled assholes, but when a dude like this dies, everyone jumps in with typical shit like this.

I also think it's sort of funny that all the "facts" about this dude's personality are based around what Micheal Moore told you to believe about him.

I'm not taking sides one way or another, but everyone?

I really don't see a wide margin here between people bashing Heston and those paying respects for him or acknowledging their agreement with his relatively recent views on gun control or his work with the Civil Rights movement.

[ChuckD]

Seeing as hes lied, and manipulated information in his movies hes nothing but a fat fictional movie maker who thinks hes making documentaries.
So, he's taken lessons from Karl Rove?

[ChuckD]

Good point, everything else he has done in his life (MLK, etc) is dismissed but what Michael Moore says is gospel.
Actually nothing MM says has anything to do with it. MM showed footage of him saying those things. If you don't want to be labeled a racist, it's probably better not to say things about the US having more crime caused by the mixing of the races. It's actually pretty revolting coming from someone Jewish. His shtick sounds like it would have fit right in with Der Fuhrer's propaganda campaign. Zer vill be NO mixing of ze races!!!

[PEP]

That's his opinion, he walked the walk before civil rights was even in the limelight. Unlike MM who pits poor vs rich, repub vs demo, or anti-war vs pro-war.

Is there anyone on here that has NEVER once uttered or thought of a bigoted comment towards another race?

[CuckingFunt]

I also think it's sort of funny that all the "facts" about this dude's personality are based around what Micheal Moore told you to believe about him.
Good point, everything else he has done in his life (MLK, etc) is dismissed but what Michael Moore says is gospel.

Until this post right now, I haven't even mentioned Michael Moore's name in this thread. And my opinion is based only on Heston's own statements, which are shown in context, in an interview. I'll be the first to admit that, even though I agree with a lot of his points and have liked several of his films, I have a lot of problems with Moore as a filmmaker and as a personality. However, the particular clip that I linked to is not a situation of information being twisted or manipulated. Heston is asked a question, gives an incredibly inappropriate answer, and spends the next several moments clearly flustered and aware of the fact he fucked up. It's all right there with no cuts or edits.

[PEP]

I wasnt referring to you. And like I said I'm pretty sure everyone on here has at one point in their lives said or thought something bigoted. To condemn them for it forever is stupid in light of everything he has done in support of blacks. Can I say blacks or is it African American?

[ChuckD]

I wasnt referring to you. And like I said I'm pretty sure everyone on here has at one point in their lives said or thought something bigoted. To condemn them for it forever is stupid in light of everything he has done in support of blacks. Can I say blacks or is it African American?
Does any of this somehow NOT make Heston a racist, or is it just a conversational diversion?

I think in their hearts, many people are racist. I also think many people are selfish, covetous of their neighbor's wife or goods, or otherwise sinful. Doesn't make it right or acceptable. I also think that part of the struggle to be a better human being is to resist those urges in yourself, and not accept them from others who voice them overtly.