Good thing we traded for Kurt Thomas...

[whottt]

So we can play him against the Suns...and Shaq.

[mystargtr34]

:lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Maybe Steve Kerr wasn't so dumb after all

[Oink Oink]

:toast

[Budkin]

Give me a break... our offense killed us in this game.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Maybe Steve Kerr wasn't so dumb after all

Who knew he had the power to get Pop to willingly take Tim Duncan out of the game with Boris freakin' Diaw on him? :lol

[peskypesky]

Thomas had a bad game, true. But it was only one game. Manu had a bad game too, does that mean he sucks too?

[whottt]

Give me a break... our offense killed us in this game.


Get back to me once you actually watch the 4th quarter of this game.


Thanks.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol

seriously, that was just painful.

[Spurologist]

Maybe Steve Kerr wasn't so dumb after all

the proof lies in the pudding.

[whottt]

Thomas had a bad game, true. But it was only one game. Manu had a bad game too, does that mean he sucks too?



No..but that take means you suck.





Oh well...at least Thomas still has 3 fouls to give and didn't foul out of the game.

[td4mvp21]

Uh, we have no answer for Shaq. Too bad Tim Duncan pussed the fuck out tonight and the last Suns game. This is getting absurd how every fucking player on our team starting with our superstar gets so fucking scared when they see Shaq. I've never seen a player change so many fucking shots for us by JUST STANDING THERE! He won't even go for the block and the guards throw up some crazy ass shot or throw a bad pass! Duncan didnt' get shit against Shaq in the fourth either. Our defense sucked, I seriously hope we weren't trying. And yet, what fucking adjustments did Pop make? Pop got outcoached by Mike D'Antoni...yeah, end of fucking sentence. I don't see how anybody can be relaxed after this loss....this isn't good for the Spurs. They can't beat the Suns. What healthy team in the West can they beat?!? I'm seriously beginning to wonder. I hate how I get swept up during their win streaks and disregard the fact that the Spurs can't beat healthy playoff teams. We beat the injured Rockets and we beat the Mavs without Dirk in the entire fourth quarter. The only healthy playoff team we beat was the Warriors-the fucking 9th seed right now.

/end of bitter rant

[ploto]

I have no clue why a team with Kurt Thomas choses instead to use Fabricio Oberto thinking he can front Shaq.

[SPARKY]

Good thing we re-signed Brent Barry.

[whottt]

Good thing we re-signed Brent Barry.




Took an exrtra couple of stupid pills today did we?

[Ginofan]

I totally agree whottt. KT is a hell of a lot better against shaq then freajing oberto. at least KT woul have actually bodied shaq up.

it is critical times like these that make me question pop's sanity

[ploto]

Uh, we have no answer for Shaq.

Spurs best answer for Shaq is sitting in Toronto smiling tonight.

[SPARKY]

Took an exrtra couple of stupid pills today did we?

I don't hit that shit like you do you fucking moron.

[whottt]

So let me get this straight Marcus Bryant...


We didn't trade for Kurt Thomas to use against the Suns?


Because I fucking sure as hell remember you saying that was the reason.....

[SPARKY]

Spurs best answer for Shaq is sitting in Toronto smiling tonight.


ploto and whottt's offspring would be some disturbing mofos.

[lefty]

:toast

Remove this avatar.

Now

[whottt]

I don't hit that shit like you do you fucking moron.


Right...what you do is whing incessantly like a bitch about how we need to get Kurt Thomas since the Suns have Shaq and what a great aquisition he is going to be...then when we get him and doesn't get played you act like people are stupid for asking where it was..


Just shut the fuck up.

[SPARKY]

Let me get this straight: Francisco Elson would have won the game tonight?

[Budkin]

You guys need to chill out... we'll be alright once our offense comes back.

[SPARKY]

Right...what you do is whing incessantly like a bitch about how we need to get Kurt Thomas since the Suns have Shaq and what a great aquisition he is going to be...then when we get him and doesn't get played you act like people are stupid for asking where it was..


Just shut the fuck up.

So Elson would've shut down Shaq? Good call.

[whottt]

Let me get this straight: Francisco Elson would have won the game tonight?



Let me get this straight...why trade for fucking Kurt Thomas to play against the Suns and then not fucking play him against the Suns?

Idiot.


You tell me Marcus...should we keep expecting him to get less minutes against the Suns than Jacque Vaughn...or was this just an aberration?

And if so...fucking why? Do we want the Suns to be overconfident or something?

[Crookshanks]

Spurs best answer for Shaq is sitting in Toronto smiling tonight.
Actually - probably the Spurs' best answer for Shaq is sitting on the end of the bench in New York. :depressed

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

So Elson would've shut down Shaq? Good call.
He was taller than Oberto at least.

[Capt Bringdown]

Uh, we have no answer for Shaq. Too bad Tim Duncan pussed the fuck out tonight and the last Suns game. I've never seen a player change so many fucking shots for us by JUST STANDING THERE!

Shaq did play good D on Duncan. At this stage in Duncan's career, he can't elevate, so Shaq's D was effective.

[The Truth #6]

How did Elson get brought into the conversation? That dude sucks. And if we hadn't traded for Kurt Thomas we still wouldn't have had Brent Barry. The team is sucking - not just Kurt.

[whottt]

So Elson would've shut down Shaq? Good call.

Asshat...I am not criticizing the fucking trade...


I'm criticising hte fucking fact that Kurt Thomas rode the bench while Shaq gave Tim Duncan an all time buttfucking in the fourth quarter.


And yes...Elson could have rode the bench while that happened just as easily as Thomas did...

[SPARKY]

Let me get this straight, swapping Elson for Thomas was a bad call?

Not even your dumb toking ass could believe that.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

KT did a great job on Shaq in the 1st half.

Who knows what happened to the entire team in the 2nd... :pctoss

[whottt]

Let me get this straight, swapping Elson for Thomas was a bad call?

Not even your dumb toking ass could believe that.


Idiot...why the fuck did we trade for Kurt Thomas to put on Shaq and the not fucking put him on Shaq...


Is this what you envisioned when you suggest we trade for him?

If so you're as stupid as fucking Pop.




Wait let me guess...we didn't want to put Duncan on Amare or whoever the fuck else they had out there...because then Amare might score on him...as opposed to anyone else we put on him.




And since you insist on...stupidly, pressing the trade thing...


If Thomas is going to be rendered a useless lump of shit against the Suns by Pop...


Wouldn't it then have been better to hold on to our #1 pick...you know, we might have landed one of those Josh Howard guys with one of them that you are always bitching about...


Just STFU until you develop a coherent argument...

[SPARKY]

Random illiterate babble

Fuck you too.

[Sigz]

Kurt will play more during the playoffs.

[mavs>spurs2]

You can't blame Kurt Thomas' D for tonights loss..the Phoenix freaking Suns held you guys to 79. Something is seriously wrong with the Spurs as of late but ill give you a hint, it's not the defense. Also, Utah just held you guys to 64.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You can't blame Kurt Thomas' D for tonights loss..the Phoenix freaking Suns held you guys to 79. Something is seriously wrong with the Spurs as of late but ill give you a hint, it's not the defense. Also, Utah just held you guys to 64.


Agreed.

Gotta give the Suns credit, their D (hell, even just playing a zone defense at times) completely took SA out of rhythm.

SA missed shots, but when they ONLY took jump shots they began to fall apart.

[ShoogarBear]

LMAO, I think whottt and MB are on the same side of the argument but are too pissed to notice.

[whottt]

I'd like to be able to balme Thomas' D for this loss...nothing would make me happier...unfortunately I was denied the chance to do that because he was on the bench while Shaq owned our entire fucking team in the fourth, offensively, with Amare and Nash on the bench.


I don't give a fuck if we only scored 5 points in this game...it was not lost due to our offense, it was lost due to our defense on Shaq at the beginning of the fourth quarter.

Might have been nice to at least have someone other than our HOF'er guarding him so they could at least foul him...



I swear...it was like this game was coached by Bob Hill...

[T Park]

Playing the guy more than 13 mins, against Shaq's 26 would've helped.

[whottt]

LMAO, I think whottt and MB are on the same side of the argument but are too pissed to notice.


MB is stupid...and drunk.


And BTW...


Enjoy (http://jonreid.blogs.com/oneanother/eat-crow.jpg)

[T Park]

Kurt THomas did a fantastic job on him in the first half.

Then, gets no time on him at all in the second.

I just don't get that...

[whottt]

Playing the guy more than 13 mins, against Shaq's 26 would've helped.


^^^^ :tu


TPark >>>> Marcus Bryant



Might be nice if he got more minutes against the Suns than Jacque Vaughn...seeing as how WE GAVE UP A MOTHERCFUCKING NUMBER ONE PICK FOR HIS FUCKING ASS.

[clambake]

maybe the spurs are opting out of the 2nd seed.

[hitmanyr2k]

You guys are just now questioning Popovich's dumbass rotation pattern? :lol

Cmon, after the last 2 years shouldn't you guys should be expecting this kind of stuff by now? I remember the old dipshit excuse when Popovich didn't play his big guys was because they didn't understand the defensive rotations or some dumb shit like that. I guess we can add Kurt Thomas to the list.

[Warlord23]

First off, yes the move to keep KT on the bench during Shaq's low post sequence was dumb. But let's get real here. Shaq scored 3 jump hooks and a free throw. Not exactly a game-ending run. Our offense sucked ass. We scored, what, 9 points in the entire 4th quarter?

Let's get something straight. Phoenix in general is not a great defensive team. Teams still beat the Suns by pick-n-rolling Shaq/Amare and Nash to death, as they are both poor defenders. Ever seen CP3 West and Chandler operate against Phoenix?

Our offense is predictable and sucks hind tit. NBA teams play zone D as a surprise tactic, they don't use it consistently because ball and player movement can break the zone down, not to speak of the offensive rebounds. We couldn't do shit against the zone for nearly 2 quarters. Zilch. Pop didn't have a play to break it. That's where we lost. We play 4-down, Tony penetration and Manu penetration. The occassional Finley pull-up. That's Pop's playbook most of the time.

If a dumbass like D'Antoni can figure this out you better believe Phil Jackson, Byron Scott and Jerry Sloan can too

[Dingle Barry]

We are tanking for the third seed...obviously.

I have no other explanation. Oberto on Shaq is suicide.

[Spurminator]

I'm not all that concerned about Duncan's defense on Shaq. Shaq made shots and got into positions that I doubt Thomas would have been able to prevent either in single coverage.

What was frustrating was watching Duncan brick easy shots at the other end because he was scared.

[Tek_XX]

I'll go ahead and critisize Thomas' jumpshoot, i think Shaq would've had better success from 12 feet tonight.

[whottt]

You guys are just now questioning Popovich's dumbass rotation pattern? :lol

Cmon, after the last 2 years shouldn't you guys should be expecting this kind of stuff by now? I remember the old dipshit excuse when Popovich didn't play his big guys was because they didn't understand the defensive rotations or some dumb shit like that. I guess we can add Kurt Thomas to the list.


Kurt Thomas is allegedly a player Pop has wanted on this team for a long time, having tried to trade for him multiple times. He was aquired this year as a direct response to the Suns aquiring Shaq...aquired at the cost of a number one pick...


And then he gets fucking less minutes against the Suns that freaking 3rd string pick up vet min could have been signed by any team in the NBA, Jacque fucking Vaughn.


No...Kurt Thomas is Pop's guy...Pop has no excuse for this shit....other than outright stupidity.


It was so obvious Duncan couldn't handle Shaq(and never has been able to if you want to be blunt about it)...and Pop just let it keep going...I guess to get Duncan to foul out of the game LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT or something and Duncan was too stupid to notice.


Seriously...this is beyond a simple case of Pop's screwy rotations...Kurt Thomas is his fucking guy..a guy he's wanted for a long time...a guy we gave up a number one pick for...



There is no excusing this bullshit...



I want to stick smallball up Pop's fucking ass.

[T Park]

Kurt Thomas does something on Shaq that Oberto can't.

Hang in the post.

When shaq cuts across the lane Kurt can bring the hand down and knock the ball away.

Also he blocks Shaq out pretty decently on rebounding.


Not playing Thomas on Shaq in that part of the game was just stupidity.

I place all the blame of this loss squarely on the shoulders of
Duncan, Pop, and Ginobili.

[Budkin]

I'm starting to actually believe the CIA theories here... the substitutions make no fucking sense...

[T Park]

I'm not all that concerned about Duncan's defense on Shaq. Shaq made shots and got into positions that I doubt Thomas would have been able to prevent either in single coverage.

What was frustrating was watching Duncan brick easy shots at the other end because he was scared.


Yeah Duncan played like an absolute bitch.

Ginobili too.

But Duncan is the fucking chise.

His play in that second half against Diaw and Shaq was fucking disgusting.

[Tek_XX]

I'm starting to actually believe the CIA theories here... the substitutions make no fucking sense...

or maybe pop hasn't a clue.

[T Park]

I'm starting to actually believe the CIA theories here... the substitutions make no fucking sense...


No I think Pop for some reason has his head straight up his ass lately for some unknown reason.

[Budkin]

No I think Pop for some reason has his head straight up his ass lately for some unknown reason.

Man it sure seems like it... hope he pulls it out soon! :dizzy

[Dingle Barry]

I can't let this go.

We tried to FRONT Shaquille O'neal with Fabricio Oberto.

Only the consistently worst fucking entry passes ever would make that an effective strategy.

Fabs had no business in this game. Fuck.

[whottt]

First off, yes the move to keep KT on the bench during Shaq's low post sequence was dumb. But let's get real here. Shaq scored 3 jump hooks and a free throw. Not exactly a game-ending run. Our offense sucked ass. We scored, what, 9 points in the entire 4th quarter?

Let's get something straight. Phoenix in general is not a great defensive team. Teams still beat the Suns by pick-n-rolling Shaq/Amare and Nash to death, as they are both poor defenders. Ever seen CP3 West and Chandler operate against Phoenix?

Our offense is predictable and sucks hind tit. NBA teams play zone D as a surprise tactic, they don't use it consistently because ball and player movement can break the zone down, not to speak of the offensive rebounds. We couldn't do shit against the zone for nearly 2 quarters. Zilch. Pop didn't have a play to break it. That's where we lost. We play 4-down, Tony penetration and Manu penetration. The occassional Finley pull-up. That's Pop's playbook most of the time.

If a dumbass like D'Antoni can figure this out you better believe Phil Jackson, Byron Scott and Jerry Sloan can too


I'm sorry...

But let's get something straight...


We gave up a motherfucking number one pick for a bigman that just got less fucking minutes against the Suns(and Shaq) then Jacque fucking Vaughn...


Don't excuse that shit...don't even try to excuse it.

[Dingle Barry]

Please show some respect to the offensive powerhouse that is J. Vaughn

[T Park]

Please show some respect to the offensive powerhouse that is J. Vaughn

Find another backup point thats better that is available.

[Warlord23]

I'm sorry...

But let's get something straight...


We gave up a motherfucking number one pick for a bigman that just got less fucking minutes against the Suns(and Shaq) then Jacque fucking Vaughn...


Don't excuse that shit...don't even try to excuse it.

I'm not excusing anything. I agree it was a stupid move. But having Thomas in there doesn't guarantee that Shaq doesn't score. Shaq could well have made those jump hooks with Thomas on him.

But us putting up these 11 point quarters on the worst screen-and-roll defense in the league was the real story here. I don't care how well Thomas defends Shaq, to beat the Suns by scoring 11 in a quarter is not happening. We have bigger problems than Kurt Thomas' playing time

[ploto]

I can't let this go.

We tried to FRONT Shaquille O'neal with Fabricio Oberto.

Only the consistently worst fucking entry passes ever would make that an effective strategy.
The Spurs did a poor job of putting pressure on the guy lobbing the pass into Shaq, as well.

[whottt]

I'm not excusing anything. I agree it was a stupid move. But having Thomas in there doesn't guarantee that Shaq doesn't score. Shaq could well have made those jump hooks with Thomas on him.

Um...Thomas could have fouled him...






But us putting up these 11 point quarters on the worst screen-and-roll defense in the league was the real story here. I don't care how well Thomas defends Shaq, to beat the Suns by scoring 11 in a quarter is not happening. We have bigger problems than Kurt Thomas' playing time

Wrong...Shaq kicked our ass in that stretch with Amare and Nash on the bench, that has never happened before against the Suns


Not only did it make us look like a bunch of punks...it fired the Suns up like nothing ever has against us.


If it was "CIA" Pop's idea to give the Suns belief they can beat us...he succeeded, in spades. They won't even need to get on the jet to fly home.



That Shaq improved their half court defense is not something that can be overcome...it's also something that was obvious to myself the second the trade was made..

He's 7'1, 300+lbs, and he knocks the shit out of people...it matters.

And anyone that thinks players are pussies for that....feel free to get your ass out there and get the shit knocked out of you by Shaq.

You don't know what pussy is...


And I don't give a damn who you put out there, he's going to be problem like that, whether he's trying hard or not.


But you could at least put another big other than Duncan on him when Amare and Nash are out of the game...to foul him, if nothing else, he is kind of a shitty FT shooter you know...

[Gino]

Look...the Suns match up better against the Spurs now and the Spurs need to adjust.

You guys still are the reigning champions. Give the Suns some credit and move one.

[Sense]

Our offense killed us... we tried to play their style of play and it just didn't work in the second half...
Tim was being too soft on Shaq aswell... we didn't take advantage of that.

[whottt]

PS: our offense will improve when/if Barry and Horry get back...another no brainer...


I see nothing to indicate Pop's dumbfuck infatuation with small ball is going to improve though.

[1Parker1]

While I agree that Oberto has been absolutely no help on Shaq the past two games we've played against them, Kurt Thomas hasn't exactly been a big help either I don't think in those games...

[1Parker1]

Well, outside of the Big 3, the Spurs "offensive weapons" include a streaky Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen Corner 3's, a streaky Ime Udoka, and Jacque Frickin Vaughn.

Those are your next 4 scoring options. That's just plain scary.

[1Parker1]

PS: our offense will improve when/if Barry and Horry get back...another no brainer...
.

What makes you think either player will be back or even healthy enough to play in the playoffs?

[ShoogarBear]

What makes you think either player will be back or even healthy enough to play in the playoffs?
Horry
:makeout

Barry
:married:

[Shred]

Where's the love?

[whottt]

What makes you think either player will be back or even healthy enough to play in the playoffs?

I'm not sure about that...at all, hence the when/if comment...


If they dont' come back we won't win the title this year...


But their absence is why our offense sucks and no power on earth is going to make Vaughn or Udoka offensive players of their caliber, nor Finley a better passer....


IOW, I understand why our offense sucks...and no one can be blamed for that except the injury bug, nor will anything fix it other than they getting healthy...



Pop's IGNORANT substitutions are another thing entirely though...

[1Parker1]

Whottt, you honestly think that if we had Barry and Horry the Spurs would have won the game tonight?

What'd you think? That Barry and Horry would give some of their toughness to Duncan?
Or did you think that they'd be able to stop Amare and Shaq from totally dominating the paint?
Or did you think they'd be able to contain Steve Nash's dribble penetrations and pick and rolls?
Or that they'd be able to stay in front of Barbosa and defend him?

You're seriously overvaluing those two players, at this point in their careers and what they can bring. Spurs would obviously be a better team with them, but I don't think they'll solve all the problems and holes the Spurs obviously have in their game this season.

[whottt]

Look...the Suns match up better against the Spurs now and the Spurs need to adjust.

You guys still are the reigning champions. Give the Suns some credit and move one.



And BTW...we don't need a bandwaggoner whose team hasn't won a title since the last century telling us how to be fans...

Kindly take your advice, stick it clean up your own ass...and take it back to Boston where someone gives a shit what Celt fan has to say.
And go dunk your head in some chowder after that.


And then tell your football team to stop cheating....


And stop goin 18-0 before choking in the Superbowl...

Seriously...when we need your advice...we'll call ya.


If the Spurs go 90 years and still haven't won a title...you'll be the first one we call when we want to know how to deal with that. We promise.

[whottt]

Whottt, you honestly think that if we had Barry and Horry the Spurs would have won the game tonight?


No...I think if we had them our offense wouldn't suck like it has since they've been out...it hasn't before.





What'd you think? That Barry and Horry would give some of their toughness to Duncan?

I think our offense would be better with them...they don't stupid stuff with the ball.



Or did you think that they'd be able to stop Amare and Shaq from totally dominating the paint?

I think they'd help our offense score more points...




Or did you think they'd be able to contain Steve Nash's dribble penetrations and pick and rolls?
Or that they'd be able to stay in front of Barbosa and defend him?

I think we'd be a better offensive team with them...

In fact I absolutely guarantee we would be.





You're seriously overvaluing those two players, at this point in their careers and what they can bring.

You are seriously wrong if you think Vaughn and Udoka are better offensive players...or if Finley does all the things they do.


I promise you...if you think that Miss. 1P1, you are more wrong about that than you have ever been about anything concerning basketball previously ever.




Spurs would obviously be a better team with them, but I don't think they'll solve all the problems and holes the Spurs obviously have in their game this season.

Our offense won't suck as bad when they come back...they make the best decisions with the ball of any players on the team...and they tend to be good 3 point shooters...


Why don't you take a look at what Barry was shooting from 3, look at how many threes he was attempting, and then look at what our team is shooting...and tell me that won't help our offense. Horry is having a down year, but he was picking up when he got injured...and he still draws respect from everyone at the 3 line. And he almost always makes good decisions with the ball....a bad game for him would be considered a good one for Udoka and Vaughn.


They do matter...are they enough to win us a title? Maybe, maybe not.



Are we good enough to win a title without them?


Absolutely
Unequivocably
Beyond all doubt
With complete and totally certainty...


Not.

[1Parker1]

Whott, Spurs lack of offense is not what ultimately has cost the Spurs games against the likes of not just the Suns tonight, but against teams like the Hornets, Pistons, Celtics, etc this season. Spurs have not been executing well at crunch time, their peremeter defense is the worst out of all the championship years, Duncan is having a very up and down season and has not shown yet that he can adjust to quick and hard double teams and physical play for some reason.

While yes, our offense was stagnant tonight and perhaps a few extra 3 points by Horry/Barry would have helped us spread the floor, Spurs ultimately could not stop Amare, Shaq, and Nash and the Suns role players. Let's face it, Barry isn't exactly known for his defensive prowess.

[1Parker1]

Some Big losses this season...it wasn't offense that hurt the Spurs.

Hornets were too athletic for the Spurs and they had no answer for David West and Chris Paul. Offense wasn't the problem against them.

Utah played physical on Duncan, put a long defender on Ginobili, and basically lived with Parker scoring. Again, even though the Spurs couldn't score to save their life, their peremeter defense against guys like Okur, Williams, and Korver was suspect. I don't think Horry and Barry could have helped much there, except they would have probably helped make the final score a little more respectable.

Celtics ultimately beat the Spurs, not because the Spurs couldn't put points on the board, but because the Spurs couldn't stop their peremeter players; Pierce, House, Casell, etc. Again, I don't know if Horry and Barry would have helped much there.

Spurs struggling to score is nothing new. Yes, it seems this worse this season more so than others as the offensive droughts seem farther and farther apart, but ultimately the Spurs look very slow and unatheltic against the top teams in the league this season and Horry and Barry certaintly aren't going to help the Spurs in that regard.

[T Park]

Well, outside of the Big 3, the Spurs "offensive weapons" include a streaky Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen Corner 3's, a streaky Ime Udoka, and Jacque Frickin Vaughn.

Those are your next 4 scoring options. That's just plain scary.


Yeah that Finley Bowen and Vaughn were horrible in the playoffs last year.

Keep it up, your finding new depths of stupidity.

[1Parker1]

Yeah that Finley Bowen and Vaughn were horrible in the playoffs last year.

Keep it up, your finding new depths of stupidity.


T_Park, I'm not even going to bother wasting my time. If you want to be a dickhead, go right ahead.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

So is Bowen to blame when it comes to perimeter D? Seeing as how he is our #1 defender.

I'm just trying to figure out if Spurs are simply lazy on rotations out on the perimeter, or if this team has some degraded in the defense department. Plus, wasn't Udoka supposed to be a Bruce Bowen Jr on perimeter D? I thought he played very well defensively tonight, but I you are right in that we are struggling with athletic/outside shooters.


In regards to Utah, the Spurs played superb defense for 24 minutes, and it was the same deal with the Suns (held them to only one 3 ball by halftime...which wasn't made until there was 4 seconds left in the half).

So I'd like to believe the defense is still there, but I keep going back to the stagnant offense that reminds me of the glory days of 2000-2002.

[T Park]

T_Park, I'm not even going to bother wasting my time. If you want to be a dickhead, go right ahead.


"I've lost the arguement so I have no comeback"

Thanks.

[T Park]

So is Bowen to blame when it comes to perimeter D? Seeing as how he is our #1 defender.

I'm just trying to figure out if Spurs are simply lazy on rotations out on the perimeter, or if this team has some degraded in the defense department. Plus, wasn't Udoka supposed to be a Bruce Bowen Jr on perimeter D? I thought he played very well defensively tonight, but I you are right in that we are struggling with athletic/outside shooters.


In regards to Utah, the Spurs played superb defense for 24 minutes, and it was the same deal with the Suns (held them to only one 3 ball by halftime...which wasn't made until there was 4 seconds left in the half).

So I'd like to believe the defense is still there, but I keep going back to the stagnant offense that reminds me of the glory days of 2000-2002.


Ya know this looks identical to your posts last year, so that makes me feel better.

I love how after one night, everyone is ready to throw Bruce Bowen back under the bus.

[polandprzem]

Yeah that Finley Bowen and Vaughn were horrible in the playoffs last year.

Keep it up, your finding new depths of stupidity.

Living with the past don't we?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm not ready to throw Bowen under anything.

I was just asking honest questions in regards to 1Parker1 discussing the lack of Spurs' perimeter D.

Bowen was the least of my worries tonight.

[T Park]

Living with the past don't we?


Not at all.

Finley was 4 of 5 tonight.


But yet the polish never were made fun of for being smart.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Finley's polish??

[1Parker1]

I'm not ready to throw Bowen under anything.

I was just asking honest questions in regards to 1Parker1 discussing the lack of Spurs' perimeter D.

Bowen was the least of my worries tonight.

No it's definitely not Bowen. Bowen can only guard one player at a time out there. Against the Hornets for example, I thought he did a great job on Peja on the peremeter, limiting his 3 point shooting. But then he got switched to Chris Paul, and Peja just went off.

Against the Celtics, I believe he ended up switching to Pierce in the 4th quarter, but then guys like Casell and House started hurting the Spurs.


Spurs lack of offense is obviously an issue, I wasn't exactly disputing that fact. My point was that even if the Spurs had Barry/Horry, I don't know exactly how much of a help that would be considering all the Spurs other problems this season...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm just hoping that had we had Barry/Horry we could've gotten Phoenix to move away from the zone faster. The best remedy to break the zone is obviously strong outside shooting. But you're right in that Brobert Borry wouldn't have the difference between a W-L tonight.

The one thing Barry did have going in his favor besides his solid outside shooting was his ability to improve the Spurs ball movement. I thought that was one of his more underrated abilities. Who knows what he'll be like when/if he returns.

[polandprzem]

Not at all.

Finley was 4 of 5 tonight.

I'm jumping up and down

:loser

[timvp]

That Shaq improved their half court defense is not something that can be overcome...it's also something that was obvious to myself the second the trade was made..

He's 7'1, 300+lbs, and he knocks the shit out of people...it matters.

And anyone that thinks players are pussies for that....feel free to get your ass out there and get the shit knocked out of you by Shaq. Agreed. Shaq may be old and be a shell of his former self. But he's still the biggest, strongest, baddest mufvkcer in the league. It's all smiles and giggles until you see the team you root for try to beat him.

I still can't understand why most Spurs fans were happy when this trade went down. It's like they've never seen a Shaq team before. I don't care if Shaq is 40 years old. As long as his knees and ankle hold up, he's at the very worst a talented space eater who forces inside-out teams to completely alter their strategy.


PS: our offense will improve when/if Barry and Horry get back...another no brainer...Eh, that will help but the Spurs can still get their offense back in gear without them. They scored 100+ points on 50+% in five straight games before this latest three game funk.

The biggest problem to me is the Spurs are playing at waaaaay too slow of a pace. I mean, the Suns shot 51% and only scored 96 points ... that shows you how slow the Spurs have made the pace. Usually if the Suns shoot 51% they are going for 120 at least.

Parker is the only one trying to push the pace and even he isn't running as much as he did during that five game streak. But outside of Parker, when is the last time you saw a player pushing the ball on the break? If you squint, I swear you can almost see Terry Porter on the court at times . . .

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The biggest problem to me is the Spurs are playing at waaaaay too slow of a pace. I mean, the Suns shot 51% and only scored 96 points ... that shows you how slow the Spurs have made the pace. Usually if the Suns shoot 51% they are going for 120 at least.

Parker is the only one trying to push the pace and even he isn't running as much as he did during that five game streak. But outside of Parker, when is the last time you saw a player pushing the ball on the break? If you squint, I swear you can almost see Terry Porter on the court at times . . .


"It's turned into a concern because that's three games we really struggled offensively," Manu Ginobili said. "We didn't score more than 80 this weekend. The main concern is offensively. We're just not sharp enough. We're not making shots. We're playing too slow. So we've got to work on that."

:tu

[vander]

Unless he's going to run screen and rolls with Manu, there is no reason for Oberto to be in there. KT for 40 minutes!!!!

[whottt]

Eh, that will help but the Spurs can still get their offense back in gear without them. They scored 100+ points on 50+% in five straight games before this latest three game funk.

Those two guys raise the basketball IQ of our team...Barry on offense, Horry period.

In the case of Barry his style play is contagious and it's something the Spurs pick up on easily and it's a mindset they tend to stay in even after he goes out of the game. He is always thinking ball movement...

Horry does that too, but he also plays to the strengths of the others guys on the floor..

Plus, he's actually the second best shotblocker on the team now.




The biggest problem to me is the Spurs are playing at waaaaay too slow of a pace. I mean, the Suns shot 51% and only scored 96 points ... that shows you how slow the Spurs have made the pace. Usually if the Suns shoot 51% they are going for 120 at least.

Parker is the only one trying to push the pace and even he isn't running as much as he did during that five game streak. But outside of Parker, when is the last time you saw a player pushing the ball on the break? If you squint, I swear you can almost see Terry Porter on the court at times . . .


The Spurs are playing too much on one basketball on offense, and they don't have the personnel to pull that off...they aren't the Mavs.

Horry and Barry are consumate team players and our team play will improve once they return. And if they don't return, there's nothing we can do about it...we may have some nice offensive games, but we will not be as good of a team in ball movement and floor spacing and just overall team offensive play.



TO me that's not the alarming thing about this game...


Jacque Vaughn is what he is, Udoka is what he is....just like Rasho is what he was etc.



The alarming thing to me was how freaking clueless Pop was this game....I hope he just had too many bottles of wine and that this won't be a trend aganst the Suns.




I seriously had Bob Hiill flashbacks in this game.

[S_A_Longhorn]

Unless he's going to run screen and rolls with Manu, there is no reason for Oberto to be in there. KT for 40 minutes!!!!

Run screen and rolls? Is that still allowed in the NBA? Can't tell by watching the Spurs.

Has anyone ever told Pop to do this with Parker? The whole dribbling-while-4-other-guys-watch didn't work to well last night.

[ploto]

I still assert that people are expecting way too much from Barry and Horry. These are not guys who have just had one small injury late in the season and who are coming back from that. They have missed- both of them- huge chunks of the season. Barry has only played in 29 games all season. Horry has only played in 45 games and only 583 minutes all season long. They have a lot to come back from in a very short time, even if that.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I still assert that people are expecting way too much from Barry and Horry. These are not guys who have just had one small injury late in the season and who are coming back from that. They have missed- both of them- huge chunks of the season. Barry has only played in 29 games all season. Horry has only played in 45 games and only 583 minutes all season long. They have a lot to come back from in a very short time, even if that.


So basically what you're telling me, is that the Spurs are screwed

[vander]

Run screen and rolls? Is that still allowed in the NBA? Can't tell by watching the Spurs.

Has anyone ever told Pop to do this with Parker? The whole dribbling-while-4-other-guys-watch didn't work to well last night.

parker can't seem to pass out of them, time after time Duncan rolls towards the basket, open enough, and parker just continues to dribble a hole in the floor, but we're getting off topic here, the main point is that oberto is worthless. his +/- is now at a -6.2, worse than vaughn, worse than ELSON! and keep in mind that he plays with the starters most of the time :madrun