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Kori Ellis
01-18-2005, 04:06 AM
Buck Harvey: Daddy dearer? The Barrys in the next generation
Web Posted: 01/18/2005 12:00 AM CST

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA011805.1D.COL.BKNharvey.1b295119.html

San Antonio Express-News

Brent Barry was the son they said was most like his father. He shot free throws underhanded, wore No. 24, used wristbands. He, too, could be a pain.

Now?

Barry learned from his father, all right.

Their relationship is an old story, and it's one the Barrys likely are tired of seeing rehashed. But the story can be funny, too, as it was when Rick Barry played for the Rockets in the late '70s.

Management brought in a hypnotist to get the team out of a slump, and the hypnotist told the players to close their eyes. Put all the negative thoughts in a bag, he told them, and then throw away the bag.

After a few moments Billy Paultz broke the silence. "Awww," the onetime Spur said, opening his eyes and pointing to Barry, "he's still here."

That's the rep of Rick. His talent overwhelmed almost as much as his brazen personality did, and there are signs he hasn't changed entirely. A friend who works with Rick says he likes him but admits, "Rick has a hard time seeing anything past himself."

Brent joked Monday about his father's selfish image, too, when asked about his passing. "He was a heckuva passer," Brent said, smiling, "but guys who played with him would tell you he didn't pass enough."

Rick, after the game, came across well. He was engaging and friendly, even showing a hint of humility. He also talked quickly, just like the sports-talk host he is. He lives in Colorado but is on the air for a Bay Area radio station. He worked Monday, too, from remote in San Antonio, which is why he was late for one of his son's two starts this season.

Fitting. Rick's life always seemed to get in the way.

Rick has four sons, and three of them have ended up with NBA careers. The genes of a Hall of Famer helped, as did access. All four worked as ball boys when Rick played for Golden State, and the boys often played around on the floor with various Warriors.

Then it ended as abruptly as a final horn. Rick left the boys' mother in 1979 and had little contact with his sons. According to a Sports Illustrated article from the previous decade entitled "Daddy Dearest," the boys credit their grandfather, not Rick, for teaching them the game.

Rick repeatedly has condemned the article, and there has been protest from the family, too. But there was likely the splintering and pain that happens in many divorced families, and the splintering included Brent. "I wish he could set some time aside just to spend with us," Sports Illustrated quoted Brent saying then. "If he's here, it's because of his schedule."

Brent was the one, according to his brothers in the article, who pulled away from their father the least. The magazine quoted one of the brothers, Drew, as saying Brent was different than the rest, that he liked being Rick Barry's son, and Drew mentioned the underhand free throws and the No. 24 and the wristbands.

Drew also said: "Brent's got a horrible attitude. You can't tell him anything. I'm sure he and my dad are the closest."

Brent was a sophomore at Oregon State when this article came out, and a few things have changed since. For one, he now shoots free throws overhand, albeit nearly as accurately as his dad once did.

He wears a different number, too, and without wristbands. As for his attitude: There isn't a better teammate in the Spurs' locker room.

The only one Brent is hard on is himself. He's helped fill the Kerr-Ferry void, the one who has been around and knows what matters. He's hung with Beno Udrih, for example, as if Brent gravitates to those who might need some veteran guidance.

Did dad teach his son how not to be? Brent scored his season high Monday while starting in place of Manu Ginobili, then didn't play along afterward when asked if he wouldn't mind if Ginobili missed another game.

"No one can replace Manu," Barry said.

Standing nearby, as proud as he was the opposite, was dad. Asked about their relationship, Brent said, "We're working on it."

They've got help. The two left the arena as they once did when Rick was the star, only this time with company.

Brent's son and Rick's grandson. Four-year-old son, Quin.

ShoogarBear
01-18-2005, 06:04 AM
After a few moments Billy Paultz broke the silence. "Awww," the onetime Spur said, opening his eyes and pointing to Barry, "he's still here."

:rollin

Jimcs50
01-18-2005, 09:37 AM
Brent's 3 point shooting in the 9 games in Jan is 59%

Compare that to the 21% in Dec, and I will say that we now have the REAL Brent Barry on our team.

If Brent can maintain his % somewhere in betw those numbers, say around 44%, than I will say that SA has a great chance in the playoffs, even if TD is triple teamed like in past years.

boutons
01-18-2005, 10:24 AM
"will say that SA has a great chance in the playoffs, even if TD is triple teamed like in past years."

Nope. One shooter hitting 45% of his threes doesn't offset entire team shooting (well) under 40% for the game, and in low 30%'s (or less) for some quarters. eg: the loss @HOU, and the 4-losses vs LAL/May04. And when the Spurs are shooting poorly, it seems that EVERYBODY is shooting poorly, esp inside, which is the basis of the Spurs offense, and, as always, the Spurs shooting FTs horrendously.

Everybody remembers Kerr's extremely exceptional 4 3s vs DAL/WCF03 and the odd 3 now and again from Stephen Jackson, but the Spurs had mostly put themselves in bad position anyway by not playing their game, with bad/mediocre D, and not getting paint/driving points, RBs, whatever.

Expecting one 3-shooter to be hot enough (and playing enough) to save a game fucked up by the entire Spurs team is really fool's gold.

A Barry isn't a fix, in terms of winning games, for an entire team's crappy offense/defense, nor the Spurs sure-as-death bad FT shooting.

If the Spurs success depends on one 3-shooter hitting his shots, the Spurs are fucked.

manustarting2gd
01-18-2005, 11:03 AM
How about waiting until the playoffs to determine who's fucked. Injuries will play a bigger role than anything. Good fortune and health usually disinguishes the champ from chump.

Jimcs50
01-18-2005, 11:44 AM
boutons, you are an idiot.

Did I say that the only guy shootings 3s well is Barry???

Duh, yes the Spurs can win the championship with only one guy hitting 3s. :rolleyes

When did we fail in playoffs in the past?

Was it not when guys like Smith, Hedo and Ferry, Manu and TP were off on their 3s and outside shooting in general, despite them being pretty damn good in reg season?

When did we win in the playoffs???

Was it not when guys like Mario, Jarren Jackson, Elliott, Kerr, Ferry, Bowen, Stephen Jackson and Manu were hitting 3s?

This was my point. Outside shooting, good and bad is contagious in bball...if Barry is draining them, then it follows that the others might hit them as well, guys like Bruce , Brown and Manu.

We can not win w/o good outside shooting, it has been proven many times in the past. Yes?

Dex
01-18-2005, 01:00 PM
By God, Jim's right.

The Spurs rely on the 3 to spread the floor. Tim Duncan and Tony Parker both cause the defense to collapse on the paint, leaving shooters wide open left and right. The Spurs probably get more open looks at the 3-point line than any other team. Sean Elliot, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Bruce Bowen, Hedo Turkoglu, and a baker's dozen of other shooters would testify to the fact. They all produced some of their best shooting seasons here in San Antonio with Duncan. It would be foolish to squander those oppurtunities.

This year, the Spurs have a roster loaded with shooters and it has showed. About half the team (Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Brent Barry, Robert Horry, Beno Udrih, and Devin Brown) has the capability of shooting well from the arc on any given night and it's up to Pop to find the ones that are hot and keep them in the game. That is where the Spurs depth really works as a benefit, because you don't HAVE to rely on any certain one or two shooters to hit their shots night in and night out. As long as a couple of those guys show up, the Spurs have a great chance of winning any given ballgame.

Granted, there are occasional nights when ALL of our shooters can't buy a basket, such as was the case in Houston. But those nights happen to every team, and their frequency should be very few and far between. It's just how the percentages play out.

This year, with this strong cast of shooters, the Spurs seemed to have had a slow start but lately have been scorching opponents from the arc. They already tied the franchise record for most 3-pt baskets in a game (15/30 vs. the Lakers), and went for 75 percent from downtown to dismantle the Wizards yesterday (12/16). Most of our guys are currently shooting at about a .35-.45 clip, Tony Parker being the lone exception. And even he has the capability of lighting it up.

Not only are 3 points better than 2, AND they also make Duncan's work easier on the inside. As Pop would call it, really seems like a no-brainer to me.

Now if only we could figure out that tricky free-throw line.

exstatic
01-18-2005, 01:54 PM
It's funny. Rick is STILL so self centered that he can't figure out why no one will even give him a sniff at an NBA assistant job. Wake up and smell the coffee, Rick. No one likes you, except maybe Brent and your grandson.

The Whopper joke was fucking hilarious, BTW. :lmao

Rummpd
01-18-2005, 02:33 PM
Though if you look at the NBA two great stars have been shut out of coaching - Kareerm (who desperetely wants to coach) and Barry.

Perhaps, the NBA ought to quit passing around the same tired crew for coaching jobs all the time. Barry and others, such as Kareem, might help someone.

MosesGuthrie
01-18-2005, 02:36 PM
Go Brent....but your dad is still a tool.

exstatic
01-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Barry and others, such as Kareem, might help someone.

Job searches are done by networking, like 75% to 80% in the overall workforce. Neither player was the networking type, Barry because of his arrogance, and Kareem because of his solitude. There's no great conspiracy to keep either out of the coaching realm. They just never built the network of contacts to call upon. There is also plenty of new blood in coaching. Mo Cheeks, Doc Rivers, Eric Musselman, Jeff Bzdelik, Byron Scott, Mike D'Antoni have all burst onto the scene in the last five years or so. Yeah, you have your recycles, but just remember, almost all coaches get fired at one time or another, even good ones.