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duncan228
04-18-2008, 12:32 AM
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/pivotal_matchup_080417.html

Pivot-al Matchup
By Stefan Swiat, Suns.com

Often in sports, the most intriguing matchups are when the favorite takes on the underdog, pitting David vs. Goliath. But an argument could be made that that the showdown of Shaquille O’Neal and Tim Duncan is just as compelling, albeit a basketball version of Goliath vs. Goliath.

The two big men have dominated the league over the past decade, with the two players having a hand in every NBA Finals dating back to 1999. One would have to break out a video of Utah’s Bryon Russell getting crossed over by the Bulls’ Michael Jordan in 1998 to see a Finals contest without O’Neal or Duncan. They have battled in the playoffs five times, fueling both a respect and rivalry between the two giants.

The two first clashed on an epic level during the 1999 Western Conference Semifinals. The Spurs boasted the “Twin Towers” combination of David Robinson and Duncan, while O’Neal was playing with the emerging Kobe Bryant. Duncan would strike first in their rivalry, powering the Spurs to a 4-0 sweep of the Lakers.

O’Neal fared well in the series, compiling 23.8 points, 13 rebounds and 1.8 blocks, but was constantly hampered by the defensive duo of Robinson and Duncan. Meanwhile, Duncan had a field day with the Lakers’ power forward, J.R. Reid, erupting for 29.8 points, 10.8 rebounds and 2.0 blocks a game.

After the series, O’Neal declared, "It's very embarrassing. I hate saying, 'Well, we played hard.' No, now it's over." Looking back, it might have been the turning point of Shaq’s career. The franchise went out and hired Zen Master Phil Jackson. Jackson implemented the triangle offense, brought in championship-level credibility and melded a supporting cast around O’Neal to claim the title in 2000.

The Spurs, on the other hand, were eliminated in the first round by the Jason Kidd-Shawn Marion-powered Suns. San Antonio, who was playing without an injured Duncan, didn’t have enough firepower to combat the Suns. So even though the Lakers had finally broken through, there was a slight asterisk next to their title, because the Spurs weren’t at full-strength.

The true measure of how dominant the Lakers had become would be tested in the 2001 Western Conference Finals. With no excuses to fall back on, the Spurs were swept 4-0 by the Lakers. O’Neal averaged 27 points, 13 rebounds and 1.25 blocks, while Duncan countered with 23 points, 12.25 rebounds and 4.25 blocks for the series. After eliminating San Antonio, L.A. marched to their second consecutive championship, rolling over the Sixers 4-1.

The Lakers would tame the Spurs once again in 2002, dominating them in the Western Conference Semifinals by securing a 4-1 series victory. O’Neal posted 21.4 points, 12.2 boards and three blocks a game, while Duncan exploded for 29 points, 17.2 caroms and 3.2 blocks for the series. The Lakers stormed through The Finals by defeating the Nets and earned their third straight title. It would be the last title that L.A. would win, as the balance of power in the West would begin to switch over to San Antonio.

The Lakers’ role players began to age and provide less support for their two stars, causing L.A. to drop to a No. 5 seed in the West. Although O’Neal performed admirably in the 2003 Western Conference Semifinals by averaging 25.3 points, 14.3 boards and 2.8 rejections, it wasn’t enough, as a gritty Spurs club eliminated the Lakers 4-2. Duncan, meanwhile, racked up 28 points, 11.8 rebounds and 1.3 blocks for the series, giving San Antonio the punch necessary to finally overcome the Lakers and advance to The Finals. They would eventually roll to a 4-2 Finals victory over the Nets.

The Lakers would re-tool their team by acquiring free agents Gary Payton and Karl Malone, setting up a 2004 Western Conference Semifinals battle with the Spurs. Although San Antonio sprinted to a 2-0 series advantage, the Lakers stormed back to clinch the series 4-2.

It was only the eighth time in NBA history that a team down 0-2 came back to clinch the series. O’Neal and Duncan went to war again, with “The Diesel” averaging 22.5 points, 14.5 boards and 4.3 blocks, while Duncan posted 20.6 points, 10.5 rebounds and 3.16 blocks for the series.

L.A. would go on to dismantle Minnesota in the Western Conference Finals before falling apart to a savvy Pistons squad in The Finals. The defeat led to the deconstruction of the Lakers, who shipped Shaq to Miami for Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. San Antonio would become the heir apparent in the West, rebounding to win the 2005 Finals over the Pistons.

O’Neal broke through to bring the title home to Miami in 2006, while San Antonio reclaimed the O’Brien trophy in 2007. As the two most dominant players of the last decade, it is difficult to determine who has been more valuable to their team during the postseason.

For his playoff career, O’Neal has averaged 25.5 points, 12.1 rebounds and 2.1 blocks on 57 percent shooting from the floor, while Duncan has posted averages of 23.8 points, 12.5 caroms and 2.8 blocks on 51 percent shooting. Head-to-head, O’Neal has racked up 23.9 points, 14 rebounds and 2.8 blocks against Duncan, while Duncan has responded with 25.9 points, 12.5 boards and 2.7 blocks. Shaq is 3-2 in playoff series against Duncan, while both of them own four championship rings apiece.

It is no wonder that Suns saw O’Neal as perhaps the lone remedy for hurdling San Antonio in the playoffs. Shaq possesses the knowledge and understanding of how to combat a player of Duncan's ability.

When asked about his familiarity with Duncan, the Big Aristotle responded, “It’s not so much an advantage as that you want to become great when you play against greatness.

“He knows what I’m going to do, I know what he’s going to do. You’re not really going to stop him, you just have to try to stay in front of him and try to make him work.”

Shaq has followed his own advice this season. In the Suns' two games with O’Neal against the Spurs, he has held Duncan to 15-of-40 shooting in two Phoenix victories. Without O’Neal, the Suns split with the Spurs and Duncan shot 22-of-41 from the field.

Suns Head Coach Mike D’Antoni also knows that his center could be the deciding factor in the series.

“There is a 325-pound beast down low that we have to get the ball to,” D’Antoni said. “On defense, Shaq will be isolated on Duncan because we don’t want to double, and he defended him well the last two games.”

When O’Neal arrived in Phoenix, he was frustrated by naysayers who criticized he didn’t have enough “gas left in his tank” to help Phoenix get over the hump. He was so aggravated that in his introductory press conference he declared, “When I’m upset I’m known to do certain things; like win championships."

Hopefully that desire within him still runs deep, because if the Suns can knock off the defending champions, Phoenix will have taken a giant leap forward to achieving that goal.

SAtown
04-18-2008, 12:34 AM
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honestfool84
04-18-2008, 01:22 AM
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i don't think duncan228 is one person.

i think its a collection of writers that just post here as soon as they have written their story.

i mean, how else would it explain the how quick stories are posted here?




duncan228, :toast

SAtown
04-18-2008, 01:23 AM
i don't think duncan228 is one person.

i think its a collection of writers that just post here as soon as they have written their story.

i mean, how else would it explain the how quick stories are posted here?


If she wrote for sunsDOTcom, there would be hell to pay :madrun

TDfan2007
04-18-2008, 02:21 AM
duncan228 is great.

But I'm suprised at how much respect Shaq gives Tim. He didn't give David shit as we all know. Oh well, none of that really matters I guess. Tim will just have to school Shaq like it's 2003 all over again and the Spurs should win this one in 6.

SAtown
04-18-2008, 02:24 AM
But I'm suprised at how much respect Shaq gives Tim. He didn't give David shit as we all know. Oh well, none of that really matters I guess. Tim will just have to school Shaq like it's 2003 all over again and the Spurs should win this one in 6.

It's crazy; it almost seems as if Shaq's playing mind games with Duncan. Like you say, he was never that respectful towards the Spurs with Robinson at the helm.

Quasar
04-18-2008, 03:40 AM
It's crazy; it almost seems as if Shaq's playing mind games with Duncan. Like you say, he was never that respectful towards the Spurs with Robinson at the helm.

It's probably because Shaq was schooled by David too many times, whereas he's been on par or better than Duncan in their meetings. It's easier to be a graceful winner than a graceful loser...

mojorizen7
04-18-2008, 03:49 AM
It could be because D Rob was soft. Talented,classy, but soft.
As opposed to Duncan who's talented,classy, AND tough.
IMO

J.T.
04-18-2008, 04:22 AM
The article started out good until the obvious Wikipedia-plagiarized recap of the last decade of NBA playoffs.

m33p0
04-18-2008, 04:27 AM
i don't think duncan228 is one person.

i think its a collection of writers that just post here as soon as they have written their story.

i mean, how else would it explain the how quick stories are posted here?




duncan228, :toast

Darby Shaw?

Bruno
04-18-2008, 05:48 AM
Looking at what Shaq has done half a decade ago is quite meaningless.
Shaq is 36 years old and has lost a couple of steps. If Duncan plays at his true level, he will destroy him.

Shaq has corrected some Suns' weakness but he has created other weaknesses. When Shaq is on the court, Spurs must run more, pick and rolled him to death and if Suns let him alone against Duncan, Duncan must score on him. Parker should also score more against Suns with Marion gone. Suns have no one to defend him on the perimeter.

The only thing remaining of old Shaq is his aura. Spurs are a vet team and I truly think it won't affect them. If it's the case, this Suns team will be easier to beat than the one with Marion.

Sigz
04-18-2008, 07:17 AM
Bring on that fat-ass.

101A
04-18-2008, 08:25 AM
Damn, Duncan's number against those teams are tough.

polandprzem
04-18-2008, 09:14 AM
Historicly this in the biggest challange of all for Timothy.

Thois series will go as the one which can make an agument of who was better shaq or Tim.

Like everybody remember the Dream destroying Admiral (don't let whattttt hear that).


So Timmay this is it. Take care of business.

Obstructed_View
04-18-2008, 09:33 AM
It's crazy; it almost seems as if Shaq's playing mind games with Duncan. Like you say, he was never that respectful towards the Spurs with Robinson at the helm.

Talking bad about David never made him step up*. Talking bad about Timmy is a mistake. Shaq's smart enough to know that.

*until his last couple of seasons, and that was Timmy's influence.

Summers
04-18-2008, 09:38 AM
i don't think duncan228 is one person.

i think its a collection of writers that just post here as soon as they have written their story.

i mean, how else would it explain the how quick stories are posted here?




duncan228, :toast

She uses The Force.

Summers
04-18-2008, 09:41 AM
It's crazy; it almost seems as if Shaq's playing mind games with Duncan. Like you say, he was never that respectful towards the Spurs with Robinson at the helm.

Everytime Shaq says or does something decent, he ruins it in short order by saying something very Shaq-like. So, while I think it's nice and almost touching, really, to hear Shaq give props to Tim, I know by Friday night he'll say something really crappy and we'll all by talking about what an ass he is.

Edited to add this is going to be a heck of a series.

Demo Dick Marcinko
04-18-2008, 09:58 AM
Looking at what Shaq has done half a decade ago is quite meaningless.
Shaq is 36 years old and has lost a couple of steps. If Duncan plays at his true level, he will destroy him.

Shaq has corrected some Suns' weakness but he has created other weaknesses. When Shaq is on the court, Spurs must run more, pick and rolled him to death and if Suns let him alone against Duncan, Duncan must score on him. Parker should also score more against Suns with Marion gone. Suns have no one to defend him on the perimeter.

The only thing remaining of old Shaq is his aura. Spurs are a vet team and I truly think it won't affect them. If it's the case, this Suns team will be easier to beat than the one with Marion.

You are one of few posters on ST whose opinion I think is credible and valuable. I respect the vast majority of your posts. So to read your analysis on strategy and on how you think the series will turn out psyches me out. BTW keep up the great work.:toast