Liberal Traitors

[RandomGuy]

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/TAP/TAPMARCH03.jpg

[101A]

I've never called people who don't or didn't support the war a traitor. I DO believe, and there is ample evidence to prove, that their existed within the administration an intention to invade Iraq before 9/11 - and that that tragic event, to an extent, was used as a catalyst to do so (although, WMD was, in fact, the resounding chorus, and the one Colin Powell used at the U.N.)

Furthermore, many other notable persons of power openly spoke about a need to remove Saddam from power both before, and after, 9/11.

The cartoon above illustrates many on Left's memory of how things transpired, and indicates their bias as to who they believe, is conservative in this country (maybe you could throw in an inbred hay-seed to truly fill out the picture).

Ironically, however, assuming the author/illustrator of the cartoon is, in fact, a liberal, and reading the words of the personification of conservatism in his work, and what, necessarily those uttered words imply of conservatives....who is REALLY calling who a "traitor"?

[Nbadan]

RG is right, this is pretty much standard operating behavior for anyone who is too lazy to form a logical opinion on on their own, simply accuse people of the most egregious behavior...like if that gives them any credibility.....

[Spurminator]

He certainly is a traitor against fashion! My GOD that turtleneck! AM I RIGHT? AM I RIGHT?

[xrayzebra]

RG is right, this is pretty much standard operating behavior for anyone who is too lazy to form a logical opinion on on their own, simply accuse people of the most egregious behavior...like if that gives them any credibility.....


Guess the AQ is just lazy and cant form a logical opinion
on their own. So they just use the Liberal Dimm-o-craps
play book as their own. Even urge Americans to vote for
them. Yeah, Baby......

[Mr. Peabody]

He certainly is a traitor against fashion! My GOD that turtleneck! AM I RIGHT? AM I RIGHT?

Don't all liberals wear glasses, turtlenecks, and tweed jackets? I'm wearing them right now. Later on, I'll even put on some pants.....

[FromWayDowntown]

Later on, I'll even put on some pants.....

The surest sign that you're actually a moderate.

[RandomGuy]

Don't all liberals wear glasses, turtlenecks, and tweed jackets? I'm wearing them right now. Later on, I'll even put on some pants.....

I must confess that I looked around to see :wow if the cartoonist has my house staked out and took pictures of me heading to work...

My collection of turtlenecks is second to none.

[RandomGuy]

Guess the AQ is just lazy and cant form a logical opinion
on their own. So they just use the Liberal Dimm-o-craps
play book as their own. Even urge Americans to vote for
them. Yeah, Baby......

Sigh.

Don't try to prove the OP wrong or anything by being sensible or anything.

BUT

Since you brought it up, let's look at this logically.

Xrayzebra has taken AQ at their word that they would like it if we didn't vote for Replublicans.

Let's put this in a more personal perspective. Let's say you have a mortal enemy who is really out to kill you.

He walks up to you one day and says:

"You should NOT poke yourself in the eye with a pointy stick. I really really would like it if you DIDN'T poke yourself as hard as you can in the eye with a pointy stick."

So, using Ray's ironclad bit of reasoning here, our enemy is to be completely trusted when he says anything, and we go out and poke ourselves in the eye with a stick.

Later, after we are fitted with an eyepatch, and our enemy finally picks himself off the ground from laughing so hard, we might realize that Republican foreign policy blunders have been AQ's best recruiting tools.

Republican foreign policy plays into the hands of AQ, and AQ knows this.

Too bad people like Ray don't. :depressed

[xrayzebra]

Sigh.

Don't try to prove the OP wrong or anything by being sensible or anything.

BUT

Since you brought it up, let's look at this logically.

Xrayzebra has taken AQ at their word that they would like it if we didn't vote for Replublicans.

Let's put this in a more personal perspective. Let's say you have a mortal enemy who is really out to kill you.

He walks up to you one day and says:

"You should NOT poke yourself in the eye with a pointy stick. I really really would like it if you DIDN'T poke yourself as hard as you can in the eye with a pointy stick."

So, using Ray's ironclad bit of reasoning here, our enemy is to be completely trusted when he says anything, and we go out and poke ourselves in the eye with a stick.

Later, after we are fitted with an eyepatch, and our enemy finally picks himself off the ground from laughing so hard, we might realize that Republican foreign policy blunders have been AQ's best recruiting tools.

Republican foreign policy plays into the hands of AQ, and AQ knows this.

Too bad people like Ray don't. :depressed

So according to your reasoning, AQ didn't exist until
Bush came along. Is that correct? And the bombing
of our ship, the embassies, WTC and barracks in
Saudi Arabia were just figments of our imagination.
Nice thought process you have there RG. Really good.

[clambake]

you forgot to mention how we have "emboldened" Iran.

[RandomGuy]

The cartoon above illustrates many on Left's memory of how things transpired, and indicates their bias as to who they believe, is conservative in this country (maybe you could throw in an inbred hay-seed to truly fill out the picture).



No one on the right has ever accused the left of being traitors. (http://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery-Cold-Terrorism/dp/1400050308)

As for who is a conservative, perhaps we should ask conservatives themselves (http://www.conservapedia.com/Ann_Coulter).

I remember quite clearly on many occasions, and in forums other than this one , being called either a traitor, or accused of not loving my country, because I had the temerity to actually see my country in a wider perspective and acknowledge the things we do and have done in the world that might not be the epitome of ethical behavior.

If you really want to suggest that the majority of people who identify themselves as "conservative" don't harbor some degree of the belief that those on the left really don't like America, you will have quite the "row to hoe".

[George Gervin's Afro]

So according to your reasoning, AQ didn't exist until
Bush came along. Is that correct? And the bombing
of our ship, the embassies, WTC and barracks in
Saudi Arabia were just figments of our imagination.
Nice thought process you have there RG. Really good.


No ray aq loved us starting the unecessary war on a muslim country...we reinforced their warped propoganda... AQ wasn't in Iraq until your chickenhawk hero invaded.. sorry you won't accept the truth..

[RandomGuy]

So according to your reasoning, AQ didn't exist until
Bush came along. Is that correct?

No. Nothing in anything I have ever said suggests this.

AQ was fully around before Bush.

Now that I have answered your question, can you tell me if pictures like these were around before the Bush administration?

http://www.morro-bay.com/images/news/nick-berg-iraq/torture-abu-ghraib.jpg

[xrayzebra]

No. Nothing in anything I have ever said suggests this.

AQ was fully around before Bush.

Now that I have answered your question, can you tell me if pictures like these were around before the Bush administration?

http://www.morro-bay.com/images/news/nick-berg-iraq/torture-abu-ghraib.jpg

Not that I am aware of. Of course Saddam only made
pictures for his and his sons own enjoyment. But what
has that got to do with the Liberal Dimm-o-craps and
their play book and AQ wanting everyone to vote for
the dimms.

You are the one that said Bush had created all the AQ.
I will grant you one thing. He got them all bunched up
in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which suits me just fine.

[RandomGuy]

So according to your reasoning, AQ didn't exist until
Bush came along. Is that correct?
No. Nothing in anything I have ever said suggests this.
AQ was fully around before Bush.


You are the one that said Bush had created all the AQ.

Ray, if you have to lie to make your case, and everybody knows you're lying, you lose before you even start.

If you're doing it on purpose, please try a little harder.

If you're not, please go back and read what I said.

[ClingingMars]

lUkSSdSzIDo

- Mars

[some_user86]

lUkSSdSzIDo

- Mars

Nothing offensive about that video. Are you saying that some abuses haven't occurred?

[xrayzebra]

Ray, if you have to lie to make your case, and everybody knows you're lying, you lose before you even start.

If you're doing it on purpose, please try a little harder.


If you're not, please go back and read what I said.

Who is lying? You are the one who said
Bush is started everything. Not me.

AQ was in Iraq before Bush came along.
They had training camps there. Don't
ask for a link, look it up for yourself.

Saddam was giving aid and comfort to
the terrorist and even publicly giving
money to the families of those that
blew themselves up. Remember that?

[Wild Cobra]

senility's a bitch

Thing is, XRay is right. You guys are wrong. He is not senile, you guys are ignorant about the truth.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/TAP/TAPMARCH03.jpg

I'm not sure that McCarthyism is an apt comparison for the author to be making... considering that McCarthy was right in his allegations.

[gtownspur]

Sigh.

Don't try to prove the OP wrong or anything by being sensible or anything.

BUT

Since you brought it up, let's look at this logically.

Xrayzebra has taken AQ at their word that they would like it if we didn't vote for Replublicans.

Let's put this in a more personal perspective. Let's say you have a mortal enemy who is really out to kill you.

He walks up to you one day and says:

"You should NOT poke yourself in the eye with a pointy stick. I really really would like it if you DIDN'T poke yourself as hard as you can in the eye with a pointy stick."

So, using Ray's ironclad bit of reasoning here, our enemy is to be completely trusted when he says anything, and we go out and poke ourselves in the eye with a stick.

Later, after we are fitted with an eyepatch, and our enemy finally picks himself off the ground from laughing so hard, we might realize that Republican foreign policy blunders have been AQ's best recruiting tools.

Republican foreign policy plays into the hands of AQ, and AQ knows this.

Too bad people like Ray don't. :depressed

So when Osama told Time Magazine in the 90's that "Mogadishu proved america was a paper tiger'', he really meant to "America elect Republicans because at least Republicans put up a fight."?

I mean are you that stupid.

[gtownspur]

I'm not sure that McCarthyism is an apt comparison for the author to be making... considering that McCarthy was right in his allegations.


that doesn't matter to Random guy, because Soviet style socialism is what his party wants in the first place.

[Holt's Cat]

Oh no, a political cartoon. You should get out more.

[RandomGuy]

Don't
ask for a link, look it up for yourself.



Translation:

"I am a lazy sack of shit."

[RandomGuy]

Since I am not a lazy sack of shit, and try to be honest whenever possible, I did the following quick search of google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=al+qaeda+training+camps+iraq&btnG=Search).

A number of articles that appear to be fairly credible point to the existance of some form of training camps for terrorists, as well as irregular militias such as fedayeen (the loyal non-standing army goons that Saddam held as a last resort) in Iraq.

This is to be somewhat distinguished from any link between 9-11 and Iraq. This much has never been proven, and you can bet your sweet ass that the Bush administration would have that on the front page if they thought they could prove some link between 9-11 and Saddam.

I have little doubt that Saddam trained people who would destabilize potential regional rivals, and one the articles illustrates this when it talks of a gentleman who was a survivor of a Syrian government massacre who trained in the camps.

The best phrase was: "he used us, and we used him".

[ClingingMars]

that doesn't matter to Random guy, because Soviet style socialism is what his party wants in the first place.

[RandomGuy]

So when Osama told Time Magazine in the 90's that "Mogadishu proved america was a paper tiger'', he really meant to "America elect Republicans because at least Republicans put up a fight."?

I mean are you that stupid.

Yes or no:

Does AQ gleefully use the pictures from Abu Gharaib to make their point and for recruiting tools?

Does AQ point to Guantanamo as proof of a war against islam?

[RandomGuy]

that doesn't matter to Random guy, because Soviet style socialism is what his party wants in the first place.

:lmao

I must have missed that memo. You will forgive me if I don't take you at your word when you tell me what my party believes.

You are a poltical enemy after all...