Hedo helps Orlando beat Detroit

[Jimcs50]

Hedo Turkoglu has season high 29 points, including a huge 3 pointer with a min to go to lead Orlando, along with Steve Francis to a huge win over the surging Pistons. Francis also had 12 rebs and 6 assists for another great game.

ORLANDO MAGIC
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Steve Francis, PG 41 13-27 3-4 3-5 3 12 6 2 0 6 4 32
Grant Hill, SF 31 4-14 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 0 0 1 2 8
Hedo Turkoglu, GF 38 10-18 3-3 6-7 2 6 2 1 1 2 1 29
Dwight Howard, PF 35 4-10 0-0 1-4 6 13 0 1 1 1 1 9
Kelvin Cato, C 25 3-5 0-0 2-2 1 6 0 0 0 2 4 8
BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Andrew DeClercq, C 10 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 1 0 0 3 0
DeShawn Stevenson, SG Has not entered game
Jameer Nelson, PG 7 2-4 0-0 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 1 1 4
Pat Garrity, F 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Doug Christie, SG 24 3-5 1-2 2-2 0 2 3 4 0 2 3 9
Stacey Augmon, GF 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Tony Battie, FC 17 2-2 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 4
TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A


Looks like having teammates Christie and Hedo back together is paying off.

[ALVAREZ6]

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[T Park]

Yup, that Turkoglu sucks alright.

Good thing we didnt want a talented 610 small forward who could shoot, rebound, play defense.

Who the hell wants that.

[Jimcs50]

Dallas is up on Washingtom 73-40 at halftime.

70 points in one half??? :wow

Fuuuck meee!

[Jimcs50]

Well TPark, had his nuts not shrunk up last year, he might still be on the team.

[milkyway21]

Hedo Turkoglu has season high 29 points, including a huge 3 pointer with a min to go to lead Orlando, along with Steve Francis to a huge win over the surging Pistons. Francis also had 12 rebs and 6 assists for another great game.

ORLANDO MAGIC
STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Steve Francis, PG 41 13-27 3-4 3-5 3 12 6 2 0 6 4 32
Grant Hill, SF 31 4-14 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 0 0 1 2 8
Hedo Turkoglu, GF 38 10-18 3-3 6-7 2 6 2 1 1 2 1 29
Dwight Howard, PF 35 4-10 0-0 1-4 6 13 0 1 1 1 1 9
Kelvin Cato, C 25 3-5 0-0 2-2 1 6 0 0 0 2 4 8
BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Andrew DeClercq, C 10 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 1 0 0 3 0
DeShawn Stevenson, SG Has not entered game
Jameer Nelson, PG 7 2-4 0-0 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 1 1 4
Pat Garrity, F 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Doug Christie, SG 24 3-5 1-2 2-2 0 2 3 4 0 2 3 9
Stacey Augmon, GF 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Tony Battie, FC 17 2-2 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 0 1 2 4
TOTALS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A


Looks like having teammates Christie and Hedo back together is paying off.

[Jimcs50]

But, in the 4 games, Hedo has scored 23, 26 and 29 pts....I think he is playing with confidence now.

[milkyway21]

Orl 15 offensive rebounds? & 9 stls.? that's huge!

[T Park]

Well TPark, had his nuts not shrunk up last year,

so did Robert Horry's Tony Parker's and the rest of the team outside of Devin Brown.


They are still here.

[Spurminator]

Hedo got a better contract than we would have been willing to give him. Period. He didn't suck, he wasn't cast off... he got a better deal elsewhere. End of story.

[Jimcs50]

so did Robert Horry's Tony Parker's and the rest of the team outside of Devin Brown.


They are still here.


yes, thank God.

[milkyway21]

Hedo Turkoglu has season high 29 points, including a huge 3 pointer with a min to go to lead Orlando, along with Steve Francis to a huge win over the surging Pistons. .... maybe he just wants Stevie to forget Mobley? :lol

[Dre_7]

But, in the 4 games, Hedo has scored 23, 26 and 29 pts....I think he is playing with confidence now.

Where was that against LA last year?

[T Park]

Hes worth his contract more right now, than alot of guys contracts are.

[T Park]

Where was that against LA last year?


Where was alot of things, Tony Parkers 20 some odd points. Duncan taking over and driving to the hole agressively. Manu Ginobili doing the same?

[Sense]

Hedo has always been a good player...offensively.

That's why I decided to have him on my fantasy team...
Magic are at top when it comes to PPG, and points allowed.
Hedo couldn't handle pop's way...so that's why they won't win.

[exstatic]

so did Robert Horry's Tony Parker's and the rest of the team outside of Devin Brown.

Tony at least had two good games. Horry came a lot cheaper than $36M. End of story. He got an ample opportunity to show his stuff, having the starting job basicly handed to him, and he didn't get it done. Maybe he will thrive only on a middling playoff team that has no chance to drag him into the spotlight.

[ducks]

hedo was on against pacers to


stange two games in a row

[ChumpDumper]

Hedo couldn't handle pop's way.Actually he developed into quite a good defender here, but this does seem like a better situation for him offensively speaking.

[ducks]

Dallas is up on Washingtom 73-40 at halftime.

70 points in one half??? :wow

Fuuuck meee!


well washington put up 80 in one half against them

[GoSpurs21]

Yup, that Turkoglu sucks alright.

Good thing we didnt want a talented 610 small forward who could shoot, rebound, play defense.

Who the hell wants that.Lets see what he does in the playoffs before getting too excited. Just my opinion, but he played great for us in the regular season only to disappear in the playoffs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Tpark, you and Hedo should be on the Dallas bandwagon.

Great in the regular season, choke when it matters in the playoffs.

Honestly, who gives a shit if Hedo scores 50 tonight or tomorrow or next week. When the game is on the line come the playoffs, he'll be standing frozen in the corner incapable of moving a foot to his right to catch a pass, just like last year.

[taruky]

He he, keep trying to convince yourselves that you didn't misjudge the kid. You based your whole evaluation of Hedo on a playoff performance. Fact is he has had up and down playoff performances in the past, as have alot of players. And he wouldn't be the first one to have the lightbulb turn on and get his shit together, he's only 25.

Anyhow, as Chump said, he's in a better situation for him offensively. Some of you seem to disagree with my rationale about his role last year not suiting his game, but then I would ask you how else you explain the demonstrably better play this season? He's regularly involved in the Magic offense, he actually receives passes from his point guard (Francis may be infinitely more of a ball hog than Parker, and I think Parker is developing into a great PG, but Parker avoided passing to Hedo like the plague, even when Hedo was hot), and he's utilizing all his talents rather than sitting behind the 3-point line "to open things up for Duncan". And, fact is, just as stats show the Magic significantly outscore the opponent with Hedo in the game, the same thing was true last season. In the regular season, THE TEAM PLAYED BETTER WITH HEDO IN THE GAME.

Whatever, best of luck to all.

[boutons]

I didn't see the whole game, but I did see Hedo take it to the rim a couple times, he STILL can't finish. Having gotten thru the flak still with the ball, he seems to just let the ball go in the general direction of the hoop, rather than some hangtime and actully shoot the damn thing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You based your whole evaluation of Hedo on a playoff performance.

Not a playoff performance. It was a body of work spanning Sacramento and SA. Some guys have playoff moxy. Others don't.

And BTW, you were just as down on him as the rest of us, national pride be damned.

[Kori Ellis]

I am happy for Hedo. He's a good guy and is flourishing now with the Magic -- it seems to be a great situation for him.

People always bash on the playoff chokers (myself included), but when it comes down to it, there really aren't that many playoff studs.

Case in point, the only Spur who had balls in the final games of last year's series vs. the Lakers was Devin. There were 11 other guys who didn't really show up.

[taruky]

Hedo had 2 or 3 finishes at the rim and missed a couple. Hardly a sin with Wallace sitting back there. And both of his misses drew defenders and resulted in slams off the rebound. Hedo has been finishing just fine this season, alot of dunks, taking it strong.

[Nikos]

Hedo, Manu, TP ALL did great in the first half of Game 4. Manu played well in Game 4 in the second half, Hedo and TP did not.

Manu played a mediocre Game 5, not bad for a playoff game. Hedo played poorly, TP as well.

Manu shot poorly from three in game 6, but overall not a horrible game.

Devin played well in Game 5 and 6 and showed the most STEPPING UP of all the teams players. But I think Manu did a solid job. I wouldn't say he did horrible or did not show balls. He did have a bad shooting Game 6 though. But in Games 4 and 5 he did pretty good if you factor both games.

The point, Devin Brown overacheived the most, Manu actually statistically was better in the Laker series than he was in the regular season or against Memphis, so he did not exactly play poorly or underacheive.

TP, Duncan, Hedo all undercheived to a pretty high degree after Game 2. Bowen REALLY underacheived to the point where Devin was the better player.

[MosesGuthrie]

Glad to see Hedo help someone....if Orlando makes the playoffs though, don't count on Hedo diving for any loose balls.

[taruky]

Gimme a break. One play where you feel he should have stepped to the right makes him lazy. Again, I'm glad to see him get out of this town with a nutcase fan base.

[whottt]

Some of you seem to disagree with my rationale about his role last year not suiting his game, but then I would ask you how else you explain the demonstrably better play this season?


I explain his demonstrably better play this season by pointing out that it is NOT, in fact, demonstrably better.

He's averaging more minutes in Orlando than he did last season in SA...yet his rebounding is way down, his 3 PT PCT is way down, his TO's are up, and his assists and the other stuff are about the same...

The only numbers of his that are improved in Orlando are FG%, PPG, and FT%.

The FG% improvment is slight, and you can't blame the Spurs offense for his FT shooting.

To me he looked like the same player that played here last year...he looked like the same guy he was in Sac..

Same Hedo, different team...and some of his numbers are down from last season inspite of increased minutes...

In any case, as many of us pointed out time and time again, Hedo puts up decent numbers, he's got talent, he just lacks the "want too's", he just didn't put those numbers up when it mattered most...we can get 10 different guys to put up Hedo's regular season numbers...what we have trouble finding are players who maintain or improve those numbers in the post season.

[angel_luv]

I'm still sorry Hedo left. =,( However, I must admit it appears he made a great move. Orlando is a good fit for Hedo; he is doing extremely well there. I'm super proud of him. =)

[taruky]

Au contraire, Monsieur Whott. He IS demonstrably better, and here is why.
1. He is not averaging more minutes this season than last (at least so far) , unless you think the difference between 25.9 and 26 is significant.
2. He's scoring 4.5 more points per game than last year in basically the same minutes.
3. His FG percentage is up by 2 percentaget points, and I'm guessing will continue to climb.
4. Although his rebounding totals are lower (I'll get to that later), his offensive rebound totals have increased by 0.4 per game, mainly because he's been crashing the offensive boards more.
5. He's playing on a team whose rebounding is superior to last season's Spurs. Howard, Cato, and Battie have been vacuum cleaners, not to mention having Francis on your team. There are fewer long rebounds available, which is where you get alot of them when you're guarding players on the perimeter. If you watch Hedo this season, he's leaner and more athletic this season, and has been rebounding very well when there one available.
6. His 3-point percentage is not far off from what it was at the same point last season, and I would be willing to bet it continues to rise to last year's level. Plus, he's taking more difficult 3-pointers than he did last year as there is no inside threat like Duncan.
7. He's getting to the FT line alot more (3.1 per game compared to 2 per game last season). And he's shooting 84% compared to 70% on the FT jinxed Spurs team.
8. His assist/TO totals are 2.0/1.4 this season, and 1.9/1.2 last season. He has no instant points Duncan to pass the ball into this season. As for turnovers he handles the ball MUCH more often than last season, so it's logical that the TOs will go up some.
9. Hedo is drawing alot more defensive attention than he did last season. His production is all the more impressive under the circumstances.

[jalbre6]

Personally, I'm glad he's gone, and I'm glad you guys are happy with him. Jackie Christie can design him a new purse for all I care.