The Shaq Playoff Rule is Back!

[spurscenter]

The old NBA Rule from 2000-2002 was brought back by the NBA today. Whereas, Shaquile O Neal 6th foul will only happened if it's too obvious to not call due to his size and weight and can only happen on the following quarter or the next depending on the flow/score of the game. lol

jesus christ, took forever to get him the 6th foul, I know we won and all but that non call in the circle (pic) changed the game into a OT game or could of cost the game.

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[Amare_32]

The Spurs won the game! Who cares!

[spurscenter]

The Spurs won the game! Who cares!

yea, your right. but that would of been the headline across this forum if they lost.

refs gotta have balls to foul him out like they had the balls to foul out parker.

http://realgm.com/code/furballs/images/shaq_ferry.jpg

[DazedAndConfused]

You should be happy Shaq is on the Suns. Now you can play hack-a-Shaq like cowards.

[TampaDude]

Shaq would have to knock someone unconscious in order to foul out...otherwise, the refs will just plain refuse to call that 6th foul, period. We just gotta deal with it.

[timvp]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080419/capt.d13b968ef53c44048d77eeada8fa538a.suns_spurs_b asketball_txeg112.jpgI thought that was a good no call. First of all, Manu should have given the ball to Duncan because Duncan was on fire at that point. Second of all, Manu should have dished it to Duncan after Shaq stepped up. Duncan had an easy dunk. Shaq got ball before he got anything else. Even if he didn't, you don't decide playoff games at the line (unless you the Spurs are playing at Dallas :rolleyes).

That was a bad sequence by Ginobili. Luckily Finley hit the big shot and then Ginobili redeemed himself later on.

[CubanMustGo]

You should be happy Shaq is on the Suns. Now you can play hack-a-Shaq like cowards.

Like LA wouldn't do the exact same thing. Phil's done it to Bowen before, you fucking hypocrite.

[DazedAndConfused]

With 6 minutes left to play??? I think not. The Spurs basically admitted to PHX that they couldn't guard them straight up.

[Manu_Ginobili]

The Spurs won the game! Who cares!

GREAT WIN!!! LET'S ENJOY IT, UNTIL IT LASTS!!!

GO SPURS!!! GO MANU!!!

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: (B2B)

[CubanMustGo]

With 6 minutes left to play??? I think not. The Spurs basically admitted to PHX that they couldn't guard them straight up.

The Spurs turned a liability into a positive. That's what coaching is all about, little sister, and your coach has done and will do the exact same thing. Get off your fucking high horse.

It looks like you were expecting Phoenix to take out the Spurs for you, too bad.

[T Park]

With 6 minutes left to play??? I think not. The Spurs basically admitted to PHX that they couldn't guard them straight up.

So what was that they did after that and in overtime?

Be gone loser.

[NBA Junkie]

It didn't matter.

Shaq wound up being a liability out there anyway. He was so careful not to pick up #6 that Manu took it to him the entire OT.

Attacking Shaq on the defensive end was the key to victory.

[BonnerDynasty]

I thought that was a good no call. First of all, Manu should have given the ball to Duncan because Duncan was on fire at that point. Second of all, Manu should have dished it to Duncan after Shaq stepped up. Duncan had an easy dunk. Shaq got ball before he got anything else. Even if he didn't, you don't decide playoff games at the line (unless you the Spurs are playing at Dallas :rolleyes).

That was a bad sequence by Ginobili. Luckily Finley hit the big shot and then Ginobili redeemed himself later on.

If they don't call that on Manu, don't call the 6th foul on Parker imfo. There was another play where Shaq practically hugged manu with his left arm and there was no call.

Couple this with the last reg season game (or the one before) where both Amare and Shaq had 5 fouls with 6 mins to go and no calls.

It's obvious the refs won't do it :(


Refs made up for it by not calling a foul on TD at the end of the game. But this is frustrating.

[NRHector]

The Spurs won the game! Who cares!
we do you dumbass:flipoff

[Amare_32]

we do you dumbass:flipoff



I doubt Manu is going to lose sleep over a no call when his team won the game.

[Budkin]

Shaq got all ball first and Manu flew into him but he was inside the circle so it should have been a block.

[Joe Schmoogins]

That was a bad sequence by Ginobili.



I disagree... I think it was a good attempt at fouling out shaq. he was aggressive, took it right at him, and drew contact. It should have been a foul, and would have been earlier in the game. If Ginobili draws the foul, and sends shaq out of the game, you'd be calling that very same play smart. If Shaq has 5 fouls and you have the chance to get him out of there, imo you give it your best shot, even if that means drawing contact and forcing a tough shot right in Shaq's grill. I say it was a smart play by gino.

[TwoHandJam]

I thought that was a good no call. First of all, Manu should have given the ball to Duncan because Duncan was on fire at that point. Second of all, Manu should have dished it to Duncan after Shaq stepped up. Duncan had an easy dunk. Shaq got ball before he got anything else. Even if he didn't, you don't decide playoff games at the line (unless you the Spurs are playing at Dallas :rolleyes).

That was a bad sequence by Ginobili. Luckily Finley hit the big shot and then Ginobili redeemed himself later on.
Your first points refuting the call don't really address the actual call at all. Just because Manu might have made better plays doesn't alter the validity of the call. Shaq clearly clubs Manu's head on the follow through even thought the initial block is on the ball. That's still a foul.

Manu might have made better plays but taking it to the rim against a Shaq with 5 fouls isn't a bad move imo. He should known better however as Shaq would basically have to knife someone at center court to get his sixth foul in most games. It's pathetic really.

As another poster said, if you're not going to call that foul, then don't call the touch foul on Nash for 3 easy points at the line. Both plays could easily have decided the game. Actually, after that no-call on Manu, I thought we were pretty much done for. That was a very costly no-call for the Spurs and one that could easily have lost us the game if not for the ensuing heroics. I highly doubt Timmy would get a similar call in Phoenix at the end of a tight game.

[TwoHandJam]

You should be happy Shaq is on the Suns. Now you can play hack-a-Shaq like cowards.

LA sphincters are already tightening I see. Nothing sends them into a tizzy like a Spurs team awaking from the regular season slumber.

[spursrule32]

You should be happy Shaq is on the Suns. Now you can play hack-a-Shaq like cowards.

True - not quite as courageous as crying to the media about officiating or a player always traveling.

[Guajalote]

You should be happy Shaq is on the Suns. Now you can play hack-a-Shaq like cowards.

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"You lie awake at night, dreaming of that awful day your team traded Shaq. You think that by coming onto the Spurs Talk website you can make that awful day stop. You think that petty insults will make the pain of that day go away. That maybe this will stop that awful crying of the lambs."

[timvp]

Shaq clearly clubs Manu's head on the follow through even thought the initial block is on the ball. That's still a foul.In the NBA, if you hit the ball first, it's almost never a foul. If that was Nash taking it to Duncan and Duncan blocked the ball and then Nash's momentum forced a collision, Spurs fans would have been up in arms if there was a foul on Duncan. Especially with one minute left in the game, you never get that call ... unless you are Dirk.


Manu might have made better plays but taking it to the rim against a Shaq with 5 fouls isn't a bad move imo. He should known better however as Shaq would basically have to knife someone at center court to get his sixth foul in most games. It's pathetic really.Again, like I said in another thread, fouling out Shaq at that point is meaningless. The Spurs were down with one minute to go in the game. Scoring a basket should be the only concern. Trying to foul out Shaq shouldn't even be in the equation. As we saw later on, Shaq is taken out when the Suns are trying to score out of huddles most of the time, anyways.


As another poster said, if you're not going to call that foul, then don't call the touch foul on Nash for 3 easy points at the line.It was lame but Parker hit him on the elbow, which is a foul. Refs will always call a foul if you hit the elbow on the release.

Overall, I thought it was a pretty well reffed game. There were some questionable calls but I think the right calls were made to not send Manu to the line and to foul out Parker.

[Whisky Dog]

That was a foul on Shaq. You can't elbow and forearm a guy in the face on the follow through even if you had all ball initially. One if the worst blown calls of the game.

[TwoHandJam]

In the NBA, if you hit the ball first, it's almost never a foul. If that was Nash taking it to Duncan and Duncan blocked the ball and then Nash's momentum forced a collision, Spurs fans would have been up in arms if there was a foul on Duncan. Especially with one minute left in the game, you never get that call ... unless you are Dirk.
Dirk isn't the only one who gets that call. I've seen Wade, Lebron and other stars get similar calls. There was far too much contact on that follow through to ignore imo. Not all of that contact was initiated by Manu.


Again, like I said in another thread, fouling out Shaq at that point is meaningless. The Spurs were down with one minute to go in the game. Scoring a basket should be the only concern. Trying to foul out Shaq shouldn't even be in the equation. As we saw later on, Shaq is taken out when the Suns are trying to score out of huddles most of the time, anyways. The Spurs can virtually score at will in the interior with Shaq out of the game and 1 minute is a lot of time. They were only down by 3. I felt that Parker/Manu should have taken it to Shaq far more often than they did after he picked up his 5th foul. I still don't think it was a bad idea by Manu. Shaq wasn't contesting much for fear of fouling out already.

[daslicer]

You should be happy Shaq is on the Suns. Now you can play hack-a-Shaq like cowards.

You are honestly a walking vagina seriously lol I can atleast respect trolls knowing ahead of time they are biased as hell but you are nothing but a bitch with sour grapes. Its obvious we know you are hater and you were probably jumping up and down with joy when the spurs were down by 16 and now just pissed off because the spurs won. I willing to bet money you are praying that the spurs will get eliminated in round 1 so the lakers won't have to deal with them. We can only hope LA loses tommorow that would be injury to insult to you.

Also hack Shaq was a great strategy that paid off it disrupted the suns momentum along with getting him benched which was the goal. Don't give me that shit it was cowardly. This is a mans game bitch nobody has mercy for a opposing players weakness when it comes to winning. If a player cant go left you are going to force him left.

PS by your logic the '98 bulls were cowardly for doing hack a Dale Davis when they were losing by several points late in the 4th quarter of game 7 to the Pacers. They should have been honorable and instead played great defense instead resorting to that cowardly tactic. You know MJ,Pippen,Rodman and Phill Jackson were cowards for doing. Oh shit isn't Phill your coach so your team is coached by a coward who believes in the same strategy as Pop.

I'm done with you bitch.

[ambchang]

Shaq being there actually helped the Spurs, because he wouldn't defend. I thought the game was quite evenly called, and can't complain for a 1st round game.

What worried me is that it took 40 pts from Duncan, 26 from Parker, and 24 from Ginobili, then 6 fouls on Stoudemire, and another 5 on Shaq for the Spurs to eek out a 2 pt win in 2OT. This series is going to be very very tough.

[DazedAndConfused]

I could care less what Phil Jackson or any other coach has done. It doesn't change the fact that hack-a-shaq is a pussy ass move IMHO. You're basically saying to the other team, we can't defend you straight up so we are gonna put your worst F/T shooter on the line and pray that he misses.

I think that's a cowardly way to play the game (especially when there are 6 minutes to go), obviously you guys don't. Let's agree to disagree. And this wasn't even the reason why PHX lost today, so arguing about it is pretty much pointless.

[BonnerDynasty]

Big Fucking Deal. It Worked. Scoreboard.

Next game.

Making Shaq think twice about his negative affect on his Suns is a good thing imfo. Assuming he can think outside of coming up with new nicknames.

[T Park]

I could care less what Phil Jackson or any other coach has done. It doesn't change the fact that hack-a-shaq is a pussy ass move IMHO. You're basically saying to the other team, we can't defend you straight up so we are gonna put your worst F/T shooter on the line and pray that he misses.

I think that's a cowardly way to play the game (especially when there are 6 minutes to go), obviously you guys don't. Let's agree to disagree. And this wasn't even the reason why PHX lost today, so arguing about it is pretty much pointless.


I think coming on another team's board and trying to insult them but failing countless times over is a pussy move as well.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Come on LJ.

Manu was going to the rack figuring Shaq was either going to step aside and let him get the hoop or draw another foul (as he had earlier in the game). That was a fluke play that they didn't call a foul on Shaq, but of course it is shack and we did have Salvatore looking the other way. Still, the only fault on Manu was he didn't do a better job of shielding the ball, otherwise that would have been Snatch's sixth.

I don't think Manu was trying to foul out Shaq on that play, he's too smart for that. He figured he could get the bucket and/or the foul on the play, that's the mindset he always has in the clutch.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I could care less what Phil Jackson or any other coach has done. It doesn't change the fact that hack-a-shaq is a pussy ass move IMHO. You're basically saying to the other team, we can't defend you straight up so we are gonna put your worst F/T shooter on the line and pray that he misses.

I think that's a cowardly way to play the game (especially when there are 6 minutes to go), obviously you guys don't. Let's agree to disagree. And this wasn't even the reason why PHX lost today, so arguing about it is pretty much pointless.


So you think Phil Jackson is a pussy coach? Just want to clarify this. If Hack-a-Shaq is a pussy move, you're saying Phyllis is a pussy coach and your Fakers weren't good enough to beat SA.

Who am I kidding, you're just a bandwagon bitch attempting a weak ass troll. Go beat off to your Pau Gasol action figure or something.

[Guajalote]

I could care less what Phil Jackson or any other coach has done. It doesn't change the fact that hack-a-shaq is a pussy ass move IMHO. You're basically saying to the other team, we can't defend you straight up so we are gonna put your worst F/T shooter on the line and pray that he misses.

I think that's a cowardly way to play the game (especially when there are 6 minutes to go), obviously you guys don't. Let's agree to disagree. And this wasn't even the reason why PHX lost today, so arguing about it is pretty much pointless.

Did you expect everybody on this site to let it slide when you presented your point the way you did?

Nobody in their right mind is going to sit there and pound their brains in play after play just to prove that they have a huge set of onions.

Shaq sucks at the free throw line. Always has. Always will. Intentionally fouling somebody (at whatever point in the game) is just as "cowardly" as exploiting a mismatch, running a pick and roll that isn't being defended well, or even talking smack about somebody's sister. It's all a big chess game. And it worked for the Spurs today. So yes. It's agreed. We disagree.

[Obstructed_View]

I thought that was a good no call.

:lol