WTF is up with the "Hack a Shaq"

[Lakers_55]

I watched the entire game and it was one of the best I have ever seen. I was surprised to see the Hack-a-Shaq tactic employed, but I thought it was brilliant coaching. Just another gem from Popovich's bag-of-tricks. When they took Shaq out, it was a psychological defeat for the Suns.

Anyway, I am of the opinion that any unguarded shot should go in almost every time, and for the amount of money these players make, they should learn to make free throws. Shaq still hasn't learned, he shows no consistent rythym. Wilt Chamberlain never could either. Both make it look like a chore. Wilt was quick with his delivery and airballed many of them. Shaq at least concentrates up there and look how many times people jump in the lane too early and he gets a chance to miss again.

Don't be surprised if Hack-a-Shaq comes back!

[cash459]

finally the laker fan that can see both sides. :toast

[DazedAndConfused]

One of the reasons Shaq is such a poor free throw shooter is because of a wrist injury he suffered early in his childhood. He can't bend his wrist back normally, which limits the amount of rotation he can get when he shoots the ball. This isn't a problem when he's shooting those little baby hooks, but it clearly limits what he can do at the free throw line.

Shaq has put in the time over his career to try and get better at free throws. It's just one of those things he'll probably never get good at. He's been on 4 different teams and trust me they've tried everything to make him a better free throw shooter. It's not as simple as Shaq just being lazy.

http://www.slate.com/id/105348/

[Dex]

Pay me a few million dollars a year, and I bet I can find a way to make at least 1 of 2 at the line.

I don't feel bad that the guy sucks so bad at one of the most basic fundamentals of the game that teams can hone in on it. If you get a guy out there that can't dribble, he's gonna get trapped. If you get a guy out there who can't run, he's gonna get out-hustled. If you get a guy out there that can't shoot free throws, well guess where he is gonna end up?

Suns fans need to get over it and just finish the game with a higher score if they want to freakin' win. Our big man isn't exactly a free throw wizard either, but he usually makes them when they count.

[Lakers_55]

finally the laker fan that can see both sides. :toast

Yeah. Like you, I am a basketball fan first. We only differ in having a favorite team. My team wins as yours does. We both win and lose sometimes when we should and when we shouldn't. We have better franchises than most teams. So, everyone hates us, lol.

Nice block by Oberto on Shaq a few minutes ago....

[cash459]

true that, i will admit that my perception is a little skewed, but i think everyone who has a "favorite" leans a little. But i do try to see everything for what it is. I will admit some things/flaws whatever you wanna call them about the Spurs.

I just wish Oberto would pull his skirt up & grab his balls and DO something productive every now & then. score, dunk, hit more jumpers...SOMETHING! :bang

[LakeShow]

am i the only that sees the ignorance here... :wtf

you say you havent seen anything posted on the circumstances of Phil using it.......and in the VERY NEXT sentence say "he did that against someone" WTF!? get your story straight!

and Pop prob chose to "hack a shaq" earlier in the quarter for the simple of fact of not getting "penalized" for that action in the last 2 min. So they took advantage of the situation while not getting penalized as much as possible. To me, that seems like a pretty smart strategy. to be able to implement that tactic & not put yourself deeper in a hole.

and its not a "pussy move" its called exploiting a weakness.....players do it ALL the time. Next time kobe has anthony carter guarding him, watch him take carter down on the block and post his little ass up. Is that a pussy move too b/c he knows that carter cant guard him!? no, its exploiting his weakness and the nuggets weakness. that is EXACTLY what pop did to the suns and shaqueef.

youre obviosuly crying about it b/c deep down you know that if the lakers meet the spurs in the WCF, b/c the lakers wont be able to stop them. expecially without bynum. and dont bring up that they just beat them in LA, cuz that was a game WITHOUT manu (the same way that DAC cries that the lakers arent full strength when they lose; same principle) or is that different too!?

Hey bitch, they said he did it as a lakers coach, you dumb fuck! I have seen nothing on the circumstances. I did get the circumstances on the his use of it while with the bulls. Stupid ass bitch!

[LakeShow]

I watched the entire game and it was one of the best I have ever seen. I was surprised to see the Hack-a-Shaq tactic employed, but I thought it was brilliant coaching. Just another gem from Popovich's bag-of-tricks. When they took Shaq out, it was a psychological defeat for the Suns.

Anyway, I am of the opinion that any unguarded shot should go in almost every time, and for the amount of money these players make, they should learn to make free throws. Shaq still hasn't learned, he shows no consistent rythym. Wilt Chamberlain never could either. Both make it look like a chore. Wilt was quick with his delivery and airballed many of them. Shaq at least concentrates up there and look how many times people jump in the lane too early and he gets a chance to miss again.

Don't be surprised if Hack-a-Shaq comes back!

It's a bitch move and youre obviously a spurs fans faking as a Lakers fan!

[O-Factor]

It's a bitch move and youre obviously a spurs fans faking as a Lakers fan!

No Spur fan would ever stoop so low troll.

[LakeShow]

No Spur fan would ever stoop so low troll.

Please, thats all you guys do!

[LakeShow]

There is no self-respecting Lakers fan that would ever call the Hack a Shaq a brilliant move. GMAB

[LakeShow]

Thank you Doug Collins!!

[Indazone]

Shaq-Fu not known as the fastest talker.

heeeeiiiyyaaa!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSGplXjWfQs

[Lakers_55]

It's a bitch move and youre obviously a spurs fans faking as a Lakers fan!
Son, the 55 in my handle tells the year I was born, 1955. I've been a Laker fan since the 60's. I use the same handle at the Laker board at MSN/Fox Sports. We have our own private forum there with TRUE Laker fans, not the kind that troll all over the internet posting how great the Lakers are and how all other teams suck. The Lakers are the greatest franchise in NBA history, but let me tell you something, San Antonio is becoming one of the elite clubs too, right before your eyes! They are very capable of emerging from the west this year and beating the east. Lots of teams have motivation this season, but not sure if any unit has more than they do. Remember, they need that back-to-back to quell the doubters. The fact this is the toughest year possible to do it will prove to be a benefit to whatever team recognizes that and performs accordingly.

There is no self-respecting Lakers fan that would ever call the Hack a Shaq a brilliant move. GMAB

Well, you obviously have no clue as to why it was brilliant, so let me enlighten you....Ok, 4th quarter, Shaq is in foul trouble. Set aside the fact that Phoenix built their big lead without him, he's due to come back. Now, logic says, drive on him to the basket. Either he yields to a layup or fouls out. Surprise, surprise, "Hack-A-Shaq" starts! Now, I have seen this strategy employed countless times. Shaq usually does tend to hit enough of them to thwart it. 50% is within his reach which will give his team about as many points as they would hit shooting field goals. It does extend the game a bit, as less time ticks off the clock. So, the objective of Hack-A-Shaq is to hope he misses more than half, and to get more offensive possesions.

Now, the "Hack-A-Shaq" looked really good when D'Antoni took Shaq out of the game. This was a huge psychological blow dealt to the Phoenix coach and team. This sends the message that D'Antoni doesn't have the confidence in Shaq to ride it out, that he doesn't believe in him. Any Phoenix player may soon wonder if their coach will suddenly not believe in them.

Notice how in game two, Popovich tried the "Hack-A-Shaq" trick when the Spurs were leading. Nice test as to how Phoenix will react. Well, Shaq did his part, he started hitting his free throws as he often does. He even shrugged at the camera as if to say, "I can beat the Hack-A-Shaq, why do they bother". Notice how D'Antoni left him in the game this time. This shows he made the right move now, but more importantly shows he blundered the first game by benching Shaq.

Anyway, I will live and die a Laker fan. I know my team can't win every year, but they always rebuild and return. I am a basketball fan first. Without this game no one could be a fan of any team. LakeShow, don't be a troll here. I haven't looked at any of your posts, but check mine. I am respectful to my hosts here, which are mostly Spurs fans. They vastly outnumber us, but I have found they will respect you if you behave yourself and contribute interesting stuff. Be respectful in return, thanks. Then you won't have your ass handed to you.

Spurs friends: How often do you see Laker fans fight each other on this board? lol.

[spursfan09]

I've seen the way LA celebrates after winning it all. I think all of ya'll are just mad... all the time. :)

[LakeShow]

Son, the 55 in my handle tells the year I was born, 1955. I've been a Laker fan since the 60's. I use the same handle at the Laker board at MSN/Fox Sports. We have our own private forum there with TRUE Laker fans, not the kind that troll all over the internet posting how great the Lakers are and how all other teams suck. The Lakers are the greatest franchise in NBA history, but let me tell you something, San Antonio is becoming one of the elite clubs too, right before your eyes! They are very capable of emerging from the west this year and beating the east. Lots of teams have motivation this season, but not sure if any unit has more than they do. Remember, they need that back-to-back to quell the doubters. The fact this is the toughest year possible to do it will prove to be a benefit to whatever team recognizes that and performs accordingly.


Well, you obviously have no clue as to why it was brilliant, so let me enlighten you....Ok, 4th quarter, Shaq is in foul trouble. Set aside the fact that Phoenix built their big lead without him, he's due to come back. Now, logic says, drive on him to the basket. Either he yields to a layup or fouls out. Surprise, surprise, "Hack-A-Shaq" starts! Now, I have seen this strategy employed countless times. Shaq usually does tend to hit enough of them to thwart it. 50% is within his reach which will give his team about as many points as they would hit shooting field goals. It does extend the game a bit, as less time ticks off the clock. So, the objective of Hack-A-Shaq is to hope he misses more than half, and to get more offensive possesions.

Now, the "Hack-A-Shaq" looked really good when D'Antoni took Shaq out of the game. This was a huge psychological blow dealt to the Phoenix coach and team. This sends the message that D'Antoni doesn't have the confidence in Shaq to ride it out, that he doesn't believe in him. Any Phoenix player may soon wonder if their coach will suddenly not believe in them.

Notice how in game two, Popovich tried the "Hack-A-Shaq" trick when the Spurs were leading. Nice test as to how Phoenix will react. Well, Shaq did his part, he started hitting his free throws as he often does. He even shrugged at the camera as if to say, "I can beat the Hack-A-Shaq, why do they bother". Notice how D'Antoni left him in the game this time. This shows he made the right move now, but more importantly shows he blundered the first game by benching Shaq.

Anyway, I will live and die a Laker fan. I know my team can't win every year, but they always rebuild and return. I am a basketball fan first. Without this game no one could be a fan of any team. LakeShow, don't be a troll here. I haven't looked at any of your posts, but check mine. I am respectful to my hosts here, which are mostly Spurs fans. They vastly outnumber us, but I have found they will respect you if you behave yourself and contribute interesting stuff. Be respectful in return, thanks. Then you won't have your ass handed to you.

Spurs friends: How often do you see Laker fans fight each other on this board? lol.

:lol that's some funny shit! I just googled Hack a Shaq and my thread was the first find on the list.

I give respect to those who show respect, all others. Fuck em!

All the talk out in LA is about the despicable Hack a Shaq! It is the talk of my office and everywhere I go. No one respect that tactic!

I'm sorry I havent ran into a Lakers fan who thought as highly of that tactic as you do. More power to you. It's bushleague and it fucks up the game. It will be a rule change next season for sure. Doug Collins said last night, he would have said that last part but he was on TV.




The league should change the rules where a foul away from the ball is one shot and the ball. That shit is sickening.

Look for the Hornets to deal with Hack a Chandler or the Mavs to deal with Hack a Dampier! Pathetic! Man up!

[spursfan09]

If you despise Hack-A-Shaq so much. don't complain to us. Tell Shaq to learn how to make a freethrow. People have done it with us. with Bruce and with Tim. Why now all of a sudden would you expect a rule change?

[Lakers_55]

I'm sorry I havent ran into a Lakers fan who thought as highly of that tactic as you do. More power to you.

You missed the point entirely. I said Shaq knows he can beat the "Hack-A-Shaq". It worked because D'Antoni foolishly benched him. That makes Popovich's move a winner. He got what he was looking for: No Shaq in the game, and not for the reason we expected, a 6th personal foul.

[stretch]

There is no self-respecting Lakers fan that would ever call the Hack a Shaq a brilliant move. GMAB

I guess it applies to some rocket fans too?

[stretch]

If you despise Hack-A-Shaq so much. don't complain to us. Tell Shaq to learn how to make a freethrow. People have done it with us. with Bruce and with Tim. Why now all of a sudden would you expect a rule change?

:toast

[ambchang]

Who on the Spurs will we not be able to stop outside of Tony Parker?

Contrary to popular belief Gasol guards Duncan well. They are both cerebral players that rely on fundamentals more than their athleticism. Gasol can anticipate Duncan's moves well before he even starts them, which is why he was able to block so many of his shots when they last played. Ginobli has never been a serious problem for the Lakers, Kobe can stay with him and make his life difficult if need be. Parker is the only player we can't stop, but we couldn't stop him from 2000-2005 and that didn't stop us from beating the Spurs 3-1 in that timeframe. It will be a very evenly matched series if we do meet up.

Really? Duncan averages 21.5ppg, 12.5 rpb, 3 apg, 2.5 blocks, 2.5 TO, on 53.5% shooting against Gasol in his career.

Ginobili averages about 15 points throughout his career vs. Bryant, including the time when he was a bit player with the Spurs earlier in his career. He scored 12, 14, 17, 21, 16, 23, 11, 13, 21, 22, 8, 13, and 18 points since 2004-05 season.

The Lakers DID stop Parker in 04, and that was through packing the lanes. Parker wasn't even with the Spurs since 01, and didn't play that big of a role until 03 or so. Besides, the Lakers of 05 is drastically different from that of 08.

[LakeShow]

If you despise Hack-A-Shaq so much. don't complain to us. Tell Shaq to learn how to make a freethrow. People have done it with us. with Bruce and with Tim. Why now all of a sudden would you expect a rule change?

You expect inferior teams to do shit like that. After all that is their best chance to win. You wouldn't expect a 4 time NBA champion to have to stoop so low to win. You would think that they could win without any tactics. Just goes to show, times a changing!

[peskypesky]

You would think that they could win without any tactics.

wah wah wah

crybaby

[stretch]

I give respect to those who show respect, all others. Fuck em!

Do you really? Then what the fuck were these?


It's a bitch move and youre obviously a spurs fans faking as a Lakers fan!


There is no self-respecting Lakers fan that would ever call the Hack a Shaq a brilliant move. GMAB

Beautiful sign of respect, to someone that was nothing but respectful in expressing his opinion of the Hack-a-Shaq move the other night.

You fail. Miserably.

We have some dumb Rockets fans/trolls around here, but you are by far, the worst.

[LakeShow]

You missed the point entirely. I said Shaq knows he can beat the "Hack-A-Shaq". It worked because D'Antoni foolishly benched him. That makes Popovich's move a winner. He got what he was looking for: No Shaq in the game, and not for the reason we expected, a 6th personal foul.

I already stated that D'antonio's an idiot but just the fact that tactics had to used disgusts me! Btw, he didn't take him out last night and the Spurs constantly used it. So getting shaq out the game was not the objective.

[peskypesky]

I already stated that D'antonio's an idiot but just the fact that tactics had to used disgusts me! Btw, he didn't take him out last night and the Spurs constantly used it. So getting shaq out the game was not the objective.

wah wah wah

keep crying you little baby

[stretch]

You expect inferior teams to do shit like that. After all that is their best chance to win. You wouldn't expect a 4 time NBA champion to have to stoop so low to win. You would think that they could win without any tactics. Just goes to show, times a changing!

Maybe Shaq should just quit being the lazy fat-ass he is and learn to shoot some fucking freethrows. Its obvious that he has issues with work ethic and lack of commitment to winning and his team, considering 3 superstars that he has played with have all called him out for the exact same reasons. Shaq is the biggest bitch in NBA history. Destroyed 3 title contending teams and lost out on opportunities to win several more rings because of his complete selfishness.

[LakeShow]

Do you really? Then what the fuck were these?





Beautiful sign of respect, to someone that was nothing but respectful in expressing his opinion of the Hack-a-Shaq move the other night.

You fail. Miserably.

We have some dumb Rockets fans/trolls around here, but you are by far, the worst.

STFU, Inchworm! Go back to sucking that punk ass Dirkies dick!

[stretch]

I already stated that D'antonio's an idiot but just the fact that tactics had to used disgusts me! Btw, he didn't take him out last night and the Spurs constantly used it. So getting shaq out the game was not the objective.

Who won?

Shut the fuck up.

[stretch]

STFU, Inchworm! Go back to sucking that punk ass Dirkies dick!

lol, more proof of your utter incapability to actually have a discussion about basketball and make sense

[peskypesky]

STFU, Inchworm! Go back to sucking that punk ass Dirkies dick!

wah wah wah

keep crying you little baby

[Death In June]

I don't know, but I think the spurs care more about winning than some whiny bitch laker fan's respect.

[peskypesky]

Championships are remembered. Whining isn't. Spurs are playing for the history books.

[stretch]

I think the spurs care more about winning than some whiny bitch laker fan's respect.

actually i dont think anyone cares about that whiny bitch laker fans respect, period. we should petition to have him pinked.

[LakeShow]

I guess it applies to some rocket fans too?

Or better yet, go get yourself a drink


There is nothing worse than warm, flat beer. It's like drinking pube sweat... utterly disgusting.


Are you experienced at that?

[stretch]

Or better yet, go get yourself a drink

all we have to do is look at this thread, and see the countless number of ways you have owned yourself, as opposed to digging around for old threads that consisted of jokes.

fail.

[JamStone]

I don't like seeing it, but sometimes you have to just accept it in order to get wins. Sometimes the ends justifies the means. I didn't expect it from Pop. And, even more so, I didn't expect him to use it in the manner he's used it, trailing by so much early on in the fourth quarter of game 1 and then using it in the third quarter when up. Like I said, I don't like it as a fan of the NBA, and I wouldn't like it if I were a Spurs fan. But, I wouldn't be one to complain either if I were a Spurs fan when my team is up 2-0 in the series. I respect Pop a lot and I know a big part of the reason is that he just wants to get every possible advantage to win the game. It's just icing on the cake that D'Antoni looks stupid in the process. But, yeah, I really don't like how Pop has used it so far in this series.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

The obsession with the Spurs by some of you Lakers fans in here is just off the fucking charts.

[cash459]

just point Lakeshow in the direction of his fellow laker fan's (DAC) wonderful thread...

The KFC thread......... thats the kind of logice that is coming from him.

And so what phil hasnt done it as a laker coach. botom line: he HAS done it, so if he has done it, that doesnt make him any better than pop for doing it. Get over yourself, and your team y'all havent won shit yet. and take off your purple & gold glasses whiel youre at it :flipoff

[LakeShow]

all we have to do is look at this thread, and see the countless number of ways you have owned yourself, as opposed to digging around for old threads that consisted of jokes.

fail.

Nothing that you pull up on me will ever top your admitting that you drink PUBE SWEAT! Sick bastard!

[spursfan09]

You expect inferior teams to do shit like that. After all that is their best chance to win. You wouldn't expect a 4 time NBA champion to have to stoop so low to win. You would think that they could win without any tactics. Just goes to show, times a changing!

:rolleyes if thats the way you feel then fine. We still won the game so I do not care. If you watched the game and thats all you saw last night, then you are blinded by your Spurs hate. Tim, Tony and Manu have been unbelieavable so far. No little hack-a-shaq argument can take away the way they have been performing.

[LakeShow]

:rolleyes if thats the way you feel then fine. We still won the game so I do not care. If you watched the game and thats all you saw last night, then you are blinded by your Spurs hate. Tim, Tony and Manu have been unbelieavable so far. No little hack-a-shaq argument can take away the way they have been performing.

You probably win without. But the world will never know.

[stretch]

Nothing that you pull up on me will ever top your admitting that you drink PUBE SWEAT! Sick bastard!

show me where I said I drink pube sweat.

[stretch]

You probably win without. But the world will never know.

They still won with.

oh, and...

Kurt Thomas > Shaq

[cash459]

show me where I said I drink pube sweat.

lakeshow is :fishing with that one

[ATRAIN]

Son, the 55 in my handle tells the year I was born, 1955. I've been a Laker fan since the 60's. I use the same handle at the Laker board at MSN/Fox Sports. We have our own private forum there with TRUE Laker fans, not the kind that troll all over the internet posting how great the Lakers are and how all other teams suck. The Lakers are the greatest franchise in NBA history, but let me tell you something, San Antonio is becoming one of the elite clubs too, right before your eyes! They are very capable of emerging from the west this year and beating the east. Lots of teams have motivation this season, but not sure if any unit has more than they do. Remember, they need that back-to-back to quell the doubters. The fact this is the toughest year possible to do it will prove to be a benefit to whatever team recognizes that and performs accordingly.


Well, you obviously have no clue as to why it was brilliant, so let me enlighten you....Ok, 4th quarter, Shaq is in foul trouble. Set aside the fact that Phoenix built their big lead without him, he's due to come back. Now, logic says, drive on him to the basket. Either he yields to a layup or fouls out. Surprise, surprise, "Hack-A-Shaq" starts! Now, I have seen this strategy employed countless times. Shaq usually does tend to hit enough of them to thwart it. 50% is within his reach which will give his team about as many points as they would hit shooting field goals. It does extend the game a bit, as less time ticks off the clock. So, the objective of Hack-A-Shaq is to hope he misses more than half, and to get more offensive possesions.

Now, the "Hack-A-Shaq" looked really good when D'Antoni took Shaq out of the game. This was a huge psychological blow dealt to the Phoenix coach and team. This sends the message that D'Antoni doesn't have the confidence in Shaq to ride it out, that he doesn't believe in him. Any Phoenix player may soon wonder if their coach will suddenly not believe in them.

Notice how in game two, Popovich tried the "Hack-A-Shaq" trick when the Spurs were leading. Nice test as to how Phoenix will react. Well, Shaq did his part, he started hitting his free throws as he often does. He even shrugged at the camera as if to say, "I can beat the Hack-A-Shaq, why do they bother". Notice how D'Antoni left him in the game this time. This shows he made the right move now, but more importantly shows he blundered the first game by benching Shaq.

Anyway, I will live and die a Laker fan. I know my team can't win every year, but they always rebuild and return. I am a basketball fan first. Without this game no one could be a fan of any team. LakeShow, don't be a troll here. I haven't looked at any of your posts, but check mine. I am respectful to my hosts here, which are mostly Spurs fans. They vastly outnumber us, but I have found they will respect you if you behave yourself and contribute interesting stuff. Be respectful in return, thanks. Then you won't have your ass handed to you.

Spurs friends: How often do you see Laker fans fight each other on this board? lol.



Classy Laker fan unlike LakeShow. I have some friends in LA and they hate us and they sound like LakeShow. Lakers 55 keep owning your own, im enjoying it !!

[LakeShow]

show me where I said I drink pube sweat.

Inchworm, to compare drinking flat warm beer to drinking pube sweat is saying that you've dranked both!

[spursfan09]

You probably win without. But the world will never know.

What if we don't? What if we are down 0-2. I guarantee no fans will be saying "oh well it would of been unethical or cheating to be using the hack-a-shaq tactic to win these games" They would be saying why wasn't this tactic used. Anyways this is my opinion. YOu have yours and thats fine. I am just glad Spurs are up 2 games.

[stretch]

Inchworm, to compare drinking flat warm beer to drinking pube sweat is saying that you've dranked both!

Wrong.

Fail.

GTFO.

[LakeShow]

What if we don't? What if we are down 0-2. I guarantee no fans will be saying "oh well it would of been unethical or cheating to be using the hack-a-shaq tactic to win these games" They would be saying why wasn't this tactic used. Anyways this is my opinion. YOu have yours and thats fine. I am just glad Spurs are up 2 games.

Fair enough! :toast

[rasho8]

Nothing that you pull up on me will ever top your admitting that you drink PUBE SWEAT! Sick bastard!

The tears of this one.. this LakeShow... they will be all the sweeter when the Lakers get their ass handed to them as well.

The tears of hidden S0ns fans... they taste so sweet. A S0ns fan pretending to be a Laker fan so he can bitch about Hack-a-SNaq from the "moral high ground"

Take a look at your coach little whiner. And then piss off.

[Lakers_55]

I already stated that D'antonio's an idiot but just the fact that tactics had to used disgusts me! Btw, he didn't take him out last night and the Spurs constantly used it. So getting shaq out the game was not the objective.

The "Hack-A-Shaq" was used last night to see how Phoenix would react this time. Using it while ahead was crafty! It sends a message that we think we can put you further behind...

[ATRAIN]

The obsession with the Spurs by some of you Lakers fans in here is just off the fucking charts.

The funny thing is that most of these fakers fans weren't here last year and most will be gone when its all said and done. To those of you Lakers fans that have been around and for those that aren't here just to troll and plan to stick around and actually contribute, then this does not apply to you.

[Whisky Dog]

I don't see the big deal. You should be able to foul whoever you want off the ball outside of the final 2 minutes of the 4th, and make them shoot FT if you like. If the fat fuck would make a higher FT % than 50% on the season people would stop doing it.

That's why you never see Hack a Manu or Hack a Nash, because they'll drop two nearly every single time. If the other team has a professional basketball player at the highest level who can't make a fucking FT then you should be able to put him on the line if you like for whatever reason you like.

[RandomGuy]

Shaq got to the Suns on a strategic calculation that they needed a counter to Duncan.

The tactical counter to mitigate this strategy is the Hack. It either works or it doesn't.

Although if something similar happened to Duncun, how would we feel about it?

This is one of those, "sure it's legal, but is it fair?"

I dunno, quite honestly. I might not be entirely objective on this one...

[stretch]

The funny thing is that most of these fakers fans weren't here last year and most will be gone when its all said and done. To those of you Lakers fans that have been around and for those that aren't here just to troll and plan to stick around and actually contribute, then this does not apply to you.

Lakeshow isn't even truly a Laker fan. He's a Rockets fan, posing as a Lakers fan, with the sole intention of talking shit to Spurs fans.

Lame.

[ATRAIN]

I don't see the big deal. You should be able to foul whoever you want off the ball outside of the final 2 minutes of the 4th, and make them shoot FT if you like. If the fat fuck would make a higher FT % than 50% on the season people would stop doing it.

That's why you never see Hack a Manu or Hack a Nash, because they'll drop two nearly every single time. If the other team has a professional basketball player at the highest level who can't make a fucking FT then you should be able to put him on the line if you like for whatever reason you like.

One of the announcers was bitching about it during last nights game. Not sure who it was. I agree with Whisky, its all part of the game and its about exploiting the weakness of the team. In the Suns case its either Shaq and Amare's inability to stay out of foul trouble and Shaq's awesome FT ability. If the big dumb oaf wants to spend the off season fixing up all this superman cars with the most bass possible, or trying to be the local sheriff instead of practicing his free throws then thats his problem.

[Lakers_55]

Classy Laker fan unlike LakeShow. I have some friends in LA and they hate us and they sound like LakeShow. Lakers 55 keep owning your own, im enjoying it !!
I am not here to argue with anyone and will make contributions seeking to avoid this. I will respond if called out though as above. Thanks for your post!

The funny thing is that most of these fakers fans weren't here last year and most will be gone when its all said and done. To those of you Lakers fans that have been around and for those that aren't here just to troll and plan to stick around and actually contribute, then this does not apply to you.
I like to talk basketball and this seems like a great place. Thanks for the welcome, best of luck these playoffs, and hopefully we will have plenty of fun times here no matter what happens. I know I am going to enjoy the ride this season. When did we ever have this many teams with a shot at all the marbles? Never! NBA > all other sports. :)

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One of the announcers was bitching about it during last nights game. Not sure who it was. I agree with Whisky, its all part of the game and its about exploiting the weakness of the team. In the Suns case its either Shaq and Amare's inability to stay out of foul trouble and Shaq's awesome FT ability. If the big dumb oaf wants to spend the off season fixing up all this superman cars with the most bass possible, or trying to be the local sheriff instead of practicing his free throws then thats his problem.

Its no different than people purposely going to Dirk Nowtizki's left side, because his ankle was weak. Or going at rookies because they lack experience. Or going at someone like Mark Madsen because he sucks balls.

That's what strategy is all about. Finding the biggest weaknesses, and exploiting them.

[ATRAIN]

I am not here to argue with anyone and will make contributions seeking to avoid this. I will respond if called out though as above. Thanks for your post!

I like to talk basketball and this seems like a great place. Thanks for the welcome, best of luck these playoffs, and hopefully we will have plenty of fun times here no matter what happens. I know I am going to enjoy the ride this season. When did we ever have this many teams with a shot at all the marbles? Never! NBA > all other sports. :)



I agree, there are all kinds of colors flying on this board and most of the posters are good. There are exceptions however and you will come to find out who they are. Very true about the NBA or the WEST.

[ATRAIN]

Its no different than people purposely going to Dirk Nowtizki's left side, because his ankle was weak. Or going at rookies because they lack experience. Or going at someone like Mark Madsen because he sucks balls.

That's what strategy is all about. Finding the biggest weaknesses, and exploiting them.

You are wise my young friend, well except when it comes to females hahah j/k

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You are wise my young friend, well except when it comes to females hahah j/k

lol how? because I wont get at that chick that looks like Christina Milian? lol

[SpursWoman]

Or going at someone like Mark Madsen because he sucks balls.


:lol

[ATRAIN]

lol how? because I wont get at that chick that looks like Christina Milian? lol

Yes because you are young and won't get with that chick that looks like Christina Milian.

[cherylsteele]

I remember Nellie did it a few back with Bruce and people called him out for it too. In that instance Bruce hit most of those free throws, he practiced at that particular phase of his game prior to the game, it backfired in that instance.
When Nellie started that strategy the first thing that came ti mind was: c'mon Bruce hit those FT's and make it backfire.

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Yes because you are young and won't get with that chick that looks like Christina Milian.

:lol

[SAGambler]

Yeah, i am. To foul shaq at the end of a game or when he catches the ball down low when you're behind is the smart thing to do. To foul him with almost half a quarter to go away from the ball is punkish! imo

You apparently don't understand the Hack a Shaq, Hack a Bowen, Hack a Skinner strategy. But that's not surprising. There is a lot you don't understand.

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You apparently don't understand the Hack a Shaq, Hack a Bowen, Hack a Skinner strategy. But that's not surprising. There is a lot you don't understand.

He doesn't even understand that if you are a Rockets fan, you are supposed to root for the Rockets. Not the Lakers. Will he ever get anything right?

[LakeShow]

You apparently don't understand the Hack a Shaq, Hack a Bowen, Hack a Skinner strategy. But that's not surprising. There is a lot you don't understand.

oh I understand, I understand that playing defense and winning the game like it is supposed to be played is something that goes right by you and the spurs.

[LakeShow]

He doesn't even understand that if you are a Rockets fan, you are supposed to root for the Rockets. Not the Lakers. Will he ever get anything right?

I understand that you like to drink Pube sweat and you have a very little problem, inchworm.

[LakeShow]

I remember Nellie did it a few back with Bruce and people called him out for it too. In that instance Bruce hit most of those free throws, he practiced at that particular phase of his game prior to the game, it backfired in that instance.
When Nellie started that strategy the first thing that came ti mind was: c'mon Bruce hit those FT's and make it backfire.

Exactly! The spurs should be called out on it as well. Just call pop, nellie jr.!

[cash459]

oh I understand, I understand that playing defense and winning the game like it is supposed to be played is something that goes right by you and the spurs.

The rules are set...until there is a rule AGAINST certain actions that make it unfair, then its part of the game and you have to DEAL WITH IT!!!

Its just like hand-checking. it was used ALL the time, until the league saw it as something that needed to change, so they put in a rule.

Get over the hack-a-shaq already. theres no PRECISE way that a team has to win a game. A win is a Win. (something youre rockets know nothing about) :lmao

this guy needs to get pinked

[cherylsteele]

Exactly! The spurs should be called out on it as well. Just call pop, nellie jr.!
I thought it was okay that he did it. If we would have lost back then I would have upset with Bruce for not making his free throws, not at Nelie for trying to use the rules to his advantage.

[inconvertible]

because shaq can't hit freethrows?

[mojorizen7]

Hack a Bowen may be next.
Stern would have to step in at that point & instruct both teams to cut the shit.

[Manu_Ginobili]

I've watched an awful lot of Lakers vs. Spurs battles in the past and I have never seen them use the despicable Hack a Shaq! I always lost respect for teams that have to do that to win. Fortunately for the Spurs, the Suns coach is an idiot and played right into the spurs hands. Why take shaq out? He makes them when they count, I'm sure he could have given the spurs 1 out of 2, but even if he doesn't it allowed the suns to be back on defense. Taking Shaq out opened up the lane. Dumb move, imo

So what's up Spurs fans? Is this how you do it now?:jack

Whats' up??? WE ARE WAITING FOR SHAQ, THAT'S ALL...

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I understand that you like to drink Pube sweat and you have a very little problem, inchworm.

I understand that the "small penis" which is a mythical joke about part of my race is massively overused by douchebags such as yourself.

On the other hand, you actually are a Rockets fan that is too much of a cockbag to debate as a Rockets fan due to fear of getting owned, so you pose as a Laker fan. But you still get owned anyways, so I really don't get your reasoning for that... :dizzy

Massive fail... again.

[PlayoffEx-static]

Hack a Bowen may be next.
Stern would have to step in at that point & instruct both teams to cut the shit.

Bowen shoots 41% from the field and 65% from the FT line. Go ahead. :toast

[jmard5]

Hack a Bowen may be next.
Stern would have to step in at that point & instruct both teams to cut the shit.

Bad move. Wouldn't that disrupt the flow of the Suns offense? :lol

[LakeShow]

Hack a Bowen may be next.
Stern would have to step in at that point & instruct both teams to cut the shit.

You know that wouldn't be a bad idea. Start from the first quarter. Hack a tim, hack a bowen, just fuck up the game more than the spurs are fucking it up now.

[LakeShow]

just point Lakeshow in the direction of his fellow laker fan's (DAC) wonderful thread...

The KFC thread......... thats the kind of logice that is coming from him.

And so what phil hasnt done it as a laker coach. botom line: he HAS done it, so if he has done it, that doesnt make him any better than pop for doing it. Get over yourself, and your team y'all havent won shit yet. and take off your purple & gold glasses whiel youre at it :flipoff

What are you? Stupid, Simple or Slow? Read the article again idiot! He said that Phil used the hack a whoever toward the end of the game when trailing. Dumbass!

[LakeShow]

I understand that the "small penis" which is a mythical joke about part of my race is massively overused by douchebags such as yourself.

On the other hand, you actually are a Rockets fan that is too much of a cockbag to debate as a Rockets fan due to fear of getting owned, so you pose as a Laker fan. But you still get owned anyways, so I really don't get your reasoning for that... :dizzy

Massive fail... again.

:lol @ anyone referring Stretch with Girls! We know you hate them for laughing at you inchworm. You go both ways, Men and boys!

Inchworm I have a history of OWNING your ass. You're easy to own, you pick the mavs to win the the title every year and you try to argue the fact. Dumb!

[LakeShow]

Pat Riley said it best. The league will definitely change the rules next season.

History repeating itself, fixed to reference the current playoffs


The reason they have that rule is that fouling someone off-the-ball looks foolish . . . Some of the funniest things I ever saw were players that used to chase [Shaq] like it was hide-and-seek. Shaq would run away from people, and the league changed the rule based on how silly that looked.
-- Pat Riley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Riley)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack-a-Shaq#cite_note-6)

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:lol @ anyone referring Stretch with Girls! We know you hate them for laughing at you inchworm. You go both ways, Men and boys!

Inchworm I have a history of OWNING your ass. You're easy to own, you pick the mavs to win the the title every year and you try to argue the fact. Dumb!

Lame.

Fail.

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

[Reggie Miller]

Egh I could care less whether we used hack a shaq to get the game within striking distance.

1) If a team trades for Shaq they should know that the strategy will be used against them at least once in the playoffs. The fact that it caught the entire state of Phoenix off guard is laughable. Antoni looked like a fool with his pants around his ankles...He acted like that it never occurred to him that such a strategy would ever be used against his team ever. For that reason alone it was worth it.

2) Shaq took himself out of the game by missing the free throws with one do over thrown in to boot.

3) A lot of game was played after we fouled Shaq once in the fourth quarter. In fact 12 whole minutes were available in which Shaq played.

4) Fuck off Lakers fans for being so myopic that you forgot employing the same tactic against Bruce Bowen.

5) Fuck Shaq. His ego is big enough as it is.


-And stop with the HIV smack talk that's weak Spurs fans. Stay classy.

Great points.

Talk about short memories. When Shaq was with Orlando, every EC team that really thought it had a chance in the playoffs typically carried 3-4 big men for the SPECIFIC PURPOSE of having more fouls to give Shaq.

Phil Jackson did it so much with the Bulls that NBC had a special graphic showing a three-headed composite Bulls' center. You think guys like Luc Longley or Austin Crosherre would have even made the league if they didn't need bodies to throw at Shaq?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Isn't winning in basketball, or in any other sport for that matter, about exposing the opposition's flaws?

If a guy can't shoot, give him a lot of room to shoot the ball. If a defender is skinny and/or small in the post, send a big in there to muscle his way to the basket. If a defender is too slow, get a quick guy to score on him. If a guy is complete shit at shooting freethrows (because he's too fat and lazy to put in the extra time), foul him and let him go to the line. Obviously, the idea is to gain an unfair advantage somehow.

All of this = exposing flaws of opposition and gaining an advantage.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I'm no historian, so I'll put this to the brain trust. Has anyone used this strategy prior to Shaq?

[LakeShow]

I'm no historian, so I'll put this to the brain trust. Has anyone used this strategy prior to Shaq?

Yes other teams have done this. Other non relevant teams and they have been ridiculed by it. We just laugh it off like its a joke, but you're the San Antonio Spurs, defending NBA champions! It goes beyond just a joke now. It's fucking pathetic! Then you wonder why nobody respects the Spurs as NBA Champions. Go out and take it if you want it! The title is yours right now but don't stoop to the level of other Non relevant teams to get it!

:fro

[sa_butta]

I'm no historian, so I'll put this to the brain trust. Has anyone used this strategy prior to Shaq?
Wilt Chamberlain and the off-the-ball foul rule
Chamberlain was such a great player and dominant force that he would be certain to be on the floor in late-game situations if the score was close. However, he was such a poor free throw shooter (51% over his career) that if the opposition needed to employ intentional fouling late in the game, Chamberlain would always be that team's target. Just as the opposition was eager to send Chamberlain to the free throw line because of his ineptitude there, Chamberlain himself was reluctant to go for that same reason. This led to the spectacle of virtually an entire other contest being held away from the ball and almost completely outside of the basketball game being played, as Chamberlain essentially played a de facto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto) game of tag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_%28game%29) with defenders, attempting to run from and dodge them as they chased him trying to foul him.
The NBA decided to address this undesirable situation by instituting a new rule regarding off-the-ball fouls — that is, committing a personal foul against an offensive player who neither has the ball nor is making an effort to obtain it. The new rule stated that if the defensive team commits an off-the-ball foul within the last two minutes of the game, the offensive team would be allowed to keep possession of the ball after the awarding of either one or two free throws. Since the entire reason for employing intentional fouling as a strategy was to quickly terminate the offensive team's possession, this new rule, when in effect, forced the team using intentional fouling to foul only the offensive player who had the ball. This brought an end to the need for Chamberlain, or any other poor free throw shooter, to play "hide and seek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hide_and_seek)" with opposing defenders in intentional fouling situations.

The reason they have that rule is that fouling someone off-the-ball looks foolish . . . Some of the funniest things I ever saw were players that used to chase [Wilt Chamberlain] like it was hide-and-seek. Wilt would run away from people, and the league changed the rule based on how silly that looked.
-- Pat Riley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Riley)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack-a-Shaq#cite_note-6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack-a-Shaq

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Then you wonder why nobody respects the Spurs as NBA Champions.

You are a fucking idiot. Everyone respects the hell out of them.

[LakeShow]

You are a fucking idiot. Everyone respects the hell out of them.

Go away inchworm, you're boring me. I'm trying to talk to some posters that can relate. You're certainly not one of them!

Have a great day!

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Go away inchworm, you're boring me. I'm trying to talk to some posters that can relate. You're certainly not one of them!

Have a great day!

Actually, no one is really relating. Not even fellow Lakers fans. Oh wait... you're a Rockets fan.

[DarrinS]

Man, this stupid ass thread has legs.

[LakeShow]

Mark Heisler (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-columnist-mheisler,1,1492597.columnist):
NBA
Stern's penalty system is all fouled up (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-heisler23apr23,1,2914635.column)

April 23, 2008

If I were David Stern, I would have felt a cold shiver down my back last night.

Of course, as Stern would be the first to tell you, I'm not him, and I doubt that he shared my alarm at the sight of Washington's Brendan Haywood shoving Cleveland's LeBron James in mid-flight, earning a flagrant-two foul and probably for Haywood a suspension for at least Game 3 of their series.


Not that Stern has any use for such mayhem, but he thinks the current review procedure and its Draconian penalties -- more suspensions! -- works.

I'm here to tell you it doesn't.

If you want to see which it is, set your stopwatch to see how long it is before the next incident like this -- or worse.

Worse could be a melee, players leaving the bench and suspensions all around, like the one to Amare Stoudemire that effectively settled last spring's entire postseason with one ham-fisted judicial pronouncement.

Of course, worse could also be an actual fight or a riot too.

Even if NBA Vice President Stu Jackson treads more lightly (as opposed to last season when he suspended Kobe Bryant for hitting two defenders in his follow-through), the review procedure is still in effect.

Everyone still plays according to those rules. The Nuggets didn't say anything, but I'll bet they asked Jackson to review the play in which Anthony Carter bear-hugged Bryant in Game 1 and wound up getting hit in the eye.

Bryant said anything that happened was "purely unintentional," which makes sense, since it was Carter who grabbed him before they crashed into the basket standard.

Unfortunately, for better or worse, a replay is a little reality of its own.

ABC's replays showed nothing to indict Bryant, but if the league was to see that it showed his elbow hitting Carter -- a blow to the head, which is a major "point of emphasis" -- Kobe could well be suspended.

One thing the replay can't tell you is why something happened, whether Bryant was pure at heart or out to retaliate.

Here's the real problem:

IT'S WAY PAST TIME TO TAKE ALL INTENTIONAL FOULING OUT OF THE GAME!

Forget selective, retroactive, video-driven enforcement with every team calling the league after every loss to see if they can get someone tossed out of the next game.

Forget this gradation of fouls, which can be merely hard, hack-a-Shaq (B-O-R-I-N-G!), flagrant one or flagrant two.

Penalize all intentional fouls -- anything that's not a play on the ball -- the same way, with two free throws and possession.

Hard fouls have been part of the NBA since the Lakers were in Minneapolis. The better the coach, the more likely it was that his first rule was "No layups, make them earn it at the foul line."

It's time for all that to end.

No basketball fan ever paid for a ticket to see one player grab another. It's not even violent, which has a perverse appeal. It just slows the game down, results in more (yawn) free throws and less action.

In the really bad news for all concerned, every collision at the hoop is a melee, fight, suspension or riot waiting to happen.

You've got to block and tackle in football. This is basketball or aspires to be.

[email protected]

The NBA Playoffs: Where Hug A Shaq Happens

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Fail.

[cash459]

What are you? Stupid, Simple or Slow? Read the article again idiot! He said that Phil used the hack a whoever toward the end of the game when trailing. Dumbass!

If anyone on this thread is a dumbass, its YOU, butt pirate! I never referred to the "other" article....i was referring to you crying about Pop using the hack a shaq and saying that its pathetic...... now stay with me here....i dont wanna try and pull together too many ideas and boggle your mind......

Has Phil Jackson ever used the "hack-a-player"? Yes or no? in case youre too ashamed to answer, the answer is YES

Has Pop used "hack-a-player" (in this case shaq)? YES.....

so by my estimations, and by anyone who can follow simple logic, that would mean that they employ the same techniques and coaching tools to exploit a teams weakness.

So if youre going to lump Pop into some "horrible coaching idea" grouping, then you better turn around and lump your coach in there with him.

that doesnt make them any LESS of a coach. Grranted, it may be a part of the game that you dont like, but its similar in concept to a team that is down at the end of a game, by fouling and making it a free throw shooting game. that is EXACTLY what the spurs turned the game into. So what it was the 2nd qtr, so what it was done again in the 4th qtr. so what they did it while they were ahead, it doesnt matter! they were doing it to get ahead or get back in the game! either way, it was to win the game. While at the same time, it was a way for pop to bully d'antoni into taking one of his superstars out of the game and thus changing his coaching strategies.

Whatever you want to think about it, it helped the spurs win the game. so get over it already!

[Referee]

Shaq couldn't make a free throw if his fiscal life depended on it. :hat

[O-Factor]

Lakeshow is a troll guys, don't even bother with her. She brings nothing to the table as far as real debate and discussion goes.

[LakeShow]

Lakeshow is a troll guys, don't even bother with her. She brings nothing to the table as far as real debate and discussion goes.

Hey, Fuck You! I got your she!

Nothing has been brought but the same shit over and over, Phil did it! Nellie did it! Blah, blah,...which has nothing to do with the spurs use of it. Hack a shaq in the first half, hack a shaq in the 3rd quarter while ahead, hack a shaq to get the other team out of rhythm,...blah, blah, blah,...phil and others used it in the 4th quarter while behind. That's no secret, you foul anybody at that point. The objective is to foul the worst freethrow shooter, if you can use the hack a shaq to foul them. Go for it! To do it in the 1st half and the 3rd quarter is just "GAY"! Everybody outside of Texas thinks so. It's no surprise though, after all you practice the Brokeback Mountain way of living there. Something Gay is right up your alley!

[cash459]

Hey, Fuck You! I got your she!

Nothing has been brought but the same shit over and over, Phil did it! Nellie did it! Blah, blah,...which has nothing to do with the spurs use of it. Hack a shaq in the first half, hack a shaq in the 3rd quarter while ahead, hack a shaq to get the other team out of rhythm,...blah, blah, blah,...phil and others used it in the 4th quarter while behind. That's no secret, you foul anybody at that point. The objective is to foul the worst freethrow shooter, if you can use the hack a shaq to foul them. Go for it! To do it in the 1st half and the 3rd quarter is just "GAY"! Everybody outside of Texas thinks so. It's no surprise though, after all you practice the Brokeback Mountain way of living there. Something Gay is right up your alley!

last time i checked, California is the Land of the Queers....might you be one of them?? :lol

[cash459]

Hey, Fuck You! I got your she!

Nothing has been brought but the same shit over and over, Phil did it! Nellie did it! Blah, blah,...which has nothing to do with the spurs use of it. Hack a shaq in the first half, hack a shaq in the 3rd quarter while ahead, hack a shaq to get the other team out of rhythm,...blah, blah, blah,...phil and others used it in the 4th quarter while behind. That's no secret, you foul anybody at that point. The objective is to foul the worst freethrow shooter, if you can use the hack a shaq to foul them. Go for it! To do it in the 1st half and the 3rd quarter is just "GAY"! Everybody outside of Texas thinks so. It's no surprise though, after all you practice the Brokeback Mountain way of living there. Something Gay is right up your alley!

case closed. just like your litte mind. Apparently theres a specific time frame that you have to use certain coaching strategies. WOW...that is ridiculous......your argument & stance hold no weight. you got nothing but :cry :baby.....

but i will give you a suggestion on this..... :yield you say everyone outside of texas hates it......wheres your support?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

He is right though. It's a gay strategy. If you open up any NBA playbook to the page with Hack a Shaq on it doesn't have X's and O's like a normal play should in accordance with God's will. Instead it ten X's on the diagram. And they are all fucking each other.

[ambchang]

Hey, Fuck You! I got your she!

Nothing has been brought but the same shit over and over, Phil did it! Nellie did it! Blah, blah,...which has nothing to do with the spurs use of it. Hack a shaq in the first half, hack a shaq in the 3rd quarter while ahead, hack a shaq to get the other team out of rhythm,...blah, blah, blah,...phil and others used it in the 4th quarter while behind. That's no secret, you foul anybody at that point. The objective is to foul the worst freethrow shooter, if you can use the hack a shaq to foul them. Go for it! To do it in the 1st half and the 3rd quarter is just "GAY"! Everybody outside of Texas thinks so. It's no surprise though, after all you practice the Brokeback Mountain way of living there. Something Gay is right up your alley!

Really? Go check arizonasportsfans, even most Suns fans thought it was fine.

[DazedAndConfused]

To do Hack-A-Shaq while UP 6 pts in the 3rd quarter is most definitely pathetic. Even MANU GINOBLI himself said he was surprised that Pop was asking them to do it. That should tell you all you need to know about how desperate Pop is to win.

I would hope the NBA cracks down on that shit in the off-season. Just make intentional fouling a free throw plus the ball.

[cash459]

To do Hack-A-Shaq while UP 6 pts in the 3rd quarter is most definitely pathetic. Even MANU GINOBLI himself said he was surprised that Pop was asking them to do it. That should tell you all you need to know about how desperate Pop is to win.

I would hope the NBA cracks down on that shit in the off-season. Just make intentional fouling a free throw plus the ball.

again, doing it while UP, was a challenge to d'antoni to see what he would do. coaching is like a game of chess, you have to plan for moves in the future.

call it pathetic, call it gay, call it anything you friggin want to call it, but at the end of the day, you can call it a WIN. :toast

[Ronaldo McDonald]

To do Hack-A-Shaq while UP 6 pts in the 3rd quarter is most definitely pathetic. Even MANU GINOBLI himself said he was surprised that Pop was asking them to do it. That should tell you all you need to know about how desperate Pop is to win.

I would hope the NBA cracks down on that shit in the off-season. Just make intentional fouling a free throw plus the ball.

Translation:

The Spurs are too good. Find a way to make them beatable by changing all the rules to their disadvantage.

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This is what all these stupid complaints boil down to. I guess this is what you have to deal with when you're at the top of the league.

[DazedAndConfused]

I'm not arguing its effectiveness.

The Spurs and their fans have always prided themselves on being above cheap tactics and strategies. Pop doing something like this really shows how desperate he is to win. I think he knows this is the last shot the Spurs have at a title. They have one player under the age of 30, several are literally on their last legs and will retire next season, and they have absolutely no developing young talent to speak of (and no international players that haven't played one minute of NBA basketball don't count). It's going to take at least a year or two to re-develop the role players and by then the Big 3 will be on the decline. In other words, this is it.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

BTW, we've beat two of Shaq's team in the Post-season before without using hack-a-shaq.

At the end of the day, it's ring or no ring, and all of the other shit is forgotten, except by the envious.

[DazedAndConfused]

^Exactly, it's ring or no ring. This is it for SAS. Pop knows the history books won't remember him using hack-a-shaq, only the fact that he won ring #5 will be remembered if the Spur win.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm not arguing its effectiveness.

The Spurs and their fans have always prided themselves on being above cheap tactics and strategies. Pop doing something like this really shows how desperate he is to win. I think he knows this is the last shot the Spurs have at a title. They have one player under the age of 30, several are literally on their last legs and will retire next season, and they have absolutely no developing young talent to speak of (and no international players that haven't played one minute of NBA basketball don't count). It's going to take at least a year or two to re-develop the role players and by then the Big 3 will be on the decline. In other words, this is it.

It's his fault that he isn't good at them. The fact tof the matter is, you are blaming the Spurs for using this tactic when it's Shaq's fault for not preventing it from being used.

Why should the Spurs (or any other team) be penalized for another player's laziness?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Shaq is the one making the NBA look ridiculous when he goes to the line and can't hit a free basket when he's a pro.

[DazedAndConfused]

I'm not arguing it's effectiveness.

I'm just saying what every other fan is thinking. It's downright silly to see Shaq trying to outrun players as they rush to foul him. It stops the flow of the game and ruins the spirit of competitive basketball. Just because it is a legal strategy doesn't make it acceptable IMHO. I really hope the NBA finally puts the clamps on this strategy and makes it a one-shot plus the ball penalty.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Penalize the Spurs for the oppositions ignorance to a rule (last year) and penalize them for the oppositions laziness (this year).

All of this points to the fact the fans of opposing teams want things easier.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm not arguing it's effectiveness.

I'm just saying what every other fan is thinking. It's downright silly to see Shaq trying to outrun players as they rush to foul him. It stops the flow of the game and ruins the spirit of competitive basketball. Just because it is a legal strategy doesn't make it acceptable IMHO. I really hope the NBA finally puts the clamps on this strategy and makes it a one-shot plus the ball penalty.

Again, you are ignoring the fact that Shaq makes the damn tactic fortuitous in the first place.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

The rule is supposed to encourage practice, not laziness.

It's this same laziness that destroyed a great Laker team, and why the hell Laker fans get on their knees to suck Shaq's dick when he was responsible for it, I have no clue.

[dynastyspurs]

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[DazedAndConfused]

The reason Shaq can't shoot free throws is not because he doesn't practice them.

He suffered a childhood injury to his wrist that has never full recovered. It limits his range of motion and makes it very difficult to get any sort of ball rotation. You also need to factor in the fact that his hands are probably twice the size of the ball, it's like one of us trying to shoot with a golf ball. He has been on 4 different teams and has had countless shooting coaches try and help him, it just ain't gonna happen.

[O-Factor]

The reason Shaq can't shoot free throws is not because he doesn't practice them.

He suffered a childhood injury to his wrist that has never full recovered. It limits his range of motion and makes it very difficult to get any sort of ball rotation. You also need to factor in the fact that his hands are probably twice the size of the ball, it's like one of us trying to shoot with a golf ball. He has been on 4 different teams and has had countless shooting coaches try and help him, it just ain't gonna happen.

cry me a fucking river :lmao Who gives a shit. Make your damn free throws. Its a fundemental part of the game.

What, new rules just because Shaq can't make his free throws???

[DazedAndConfused]

Look I could care less about Shaq, but you keep saying he doesn't practice free throws which is false. He does, he just sucks at them. And that's not why I oppose hack-a-shaq.

[mystargtr34]

Well then thats Shaq's problem if he tries to practice them but he cant get it!

Dont you think Pau Gasol practices defense during the off season for countless hours? Doesnt mean hes gonna be any good at it.. who gives a fuck if he practices if he doesnt get any good at it... thats still going to be his deficciency like Shaq has with free-throws.

Lets all change the rule for Shaq because he really does try and get better.... but e just cant seem to get it... but hey he practices so lets change the rules

GMAB

[DazedAndConfused]

My opposition to Hack-a-Shaq has nothing to do with Shaq's inability to shoot free throws. Get a clue you fucking idiots.

[Referee]

Shaq is the one making the NBA look ridiculous when he goes to the line and can't hit a free basket when he's a pro.

Rick Barry offered to teach Shaq how to do the diaper shot and Barry averaged in the 90% mark for free throws... Shaq refused to consider it. He said he'd rather miss every one than attempt it... What a guy. How many more wins might have resulted if he put his inflated ego aside. He sucks! :fro

[KidCongo]

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my bad if it's been posted here..

[ambchang]

I'm not arguing it's effectiveness.

I'm just saying what every other fan is thinking. It's downright silly to see Shaq trying to outrun players as they rush to foul him. It stops the flow of the game and ruins the spirit of competitive basketball. Just because it is a legal strategy doesn't make it acceptable IMHO. I really hope the NBA finally puts the clamps on this strategy and makes it a one-shot plus the ball penalty.

I also think it is down right silly for teams to run Shaq off the floor because he can't run with them. Team should stop running fast breaks on Shaq to make him look like a fool.

All the teams should really play nice and not expose other team's weaknesses. If a player can't shoot a jumper, you shouldn't pack the lanes like what the Lakers did to Parker in 2004, you just can't force your opposition to do something they can't do, even those that are within the rule books.

The Spurs are being jerks in forcing Boris Diaw to beat them down in the blocks, haven't they heard that he can't finish? Neither should they go at Nash and Stoudemire when those two were on defense, they can't play D! And it is down right silly to see Stoudemire and Nash trying to defend as their man try to score on them.

[ambchang]

The reason Shaq can't shoot free throws is not because he doesn't practice them.

He suffered a childhood injury to his wrist that has never full recovered. It limits his range of motion and makes it very difficult to get any sort of ball rotation. You also need to factor in the fact that his hands are probably twice the size of the ball, it's like one of us trying to shoot with a golf ball. He has been on 4 different teams and has had countless shooting coaches try and help him, it just ain't gonna happen.

I also suffer from a childhood genetic disorder that doesn't allow me to grow to 7 feet tall and being athletic. NBA teams should sign me up, then force the league to change the rules so that it would make it fair to me to be able to do exactly what the Duncans and the James can do in the league.

However, they don't have to change the hack-a-shaq rule, because I can hit FTs > half the time.

[ambchang]

My opposition to Hack-a-Shaq has nothing to do with Shaq's inability to shoot free throws. Get a clue you fucking idiots.

Oh yeah, we forgot, it has to do with the Spurs winning games.

[stretch]

Everybody outside of Texas thinks so.

In the last 20 years, the State of Texas has more NBA titles than the State of California.

Texas > California.

Fail.

[DazedAndConfused]

It's not like Pop is doing this when the Spurs are down with only a few minutes left in the game. He did it when they were up by 6 pts in the 3rd quarter. You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that completely stopping the flow of the game and turning it into a spectacle as Shaq tries to outrun Spurs players as they rush to bearhug him is good for basketball. It's a move that reeks of desperation.

If a team needs to do this to win, they aren't winning a championship.

[Kermit]

If a team needs to do this to win, they aren't winning a championship.

I hate to break it to you, but if they employ this tactic and win a championship...well, they win a championship. Some douchebag's opinion in L.A. isn't changing that fact. Get over it.

[bdubya]

AZ writer says quitcherbitchin

Hack-a-Shaq just part of game (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/25/20080425sunshackshaq0425.html)


.....the tactic is no different from baseball's intentional walk. After all, why pitch to a .275 hitter with the tying run on second if a .187 hitter waits on deck?

I'd like to see hack-a-shaq/bang-a-ben/whatever go away. I'd like to see the flop go away too. I'm not gonna hold my breath for either to happen.

[BonnerDynasty]

That's where you're wrong Kermit. The douchebags' opinions in Cali mean everything!!!!!

[LakeShow]

AZ writer says quitcherbitchin

Hack-a-Shaq just part of game (http://http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/04/25/20080425sunshackshaq0425.html)



I'd like to see hack-a-shaq/bang-a-ben/whatever go away. I'd like to see the flop go away too. I'm not gonna hold my breath for either to happen.

The link didn't work for me, don't know if anyone else is having the same issue but this is the article

Hack-a-Shaq just part of game

Doug Haller
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 25, 2008 12:00 AM
Throughout his coaching career, both domestically and internationally, Mike D'Antoni said he never has ordered an intentional foul in the Hack-a-Shaq spirit. But that doesn't mean he disagrees with the tactic.

"Hey, do whatever you got to do to win," the Suns coach said.

Intentionally fouling a poor free-throw shooter to stop the clock or cut into a lead is nothing new in postseason basketball. Shaquille O'Neal has dealt with it for years, teams gambling that he'll miss one or both so they can cash in on the offensive end.

But so far in this best-of-seven series, the Spurs have employed the strategy to help disrupt the Suns' rhythm as well as try to get O'Neal out of the game. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich has ordered intentional fouls late in the first half of each game. In Game 2, the Spurs fouled O'Neal about 50 feet from the basket - even though San Antonio led by six in the third quarter.

Strange? Not to O'Neal. "I've seen it before by coward Don Nelson, who started it," he said after Thursday's practice.

The strategy falls under the gamesmanship umbrella. That is, methods that the league doesn't outlaw, but methods that others might consider questionable. Former Suns coach John MacLeod called Hack-a-Shaq a "fair tactic," but he also acknowledged that its place in the game falls into a "gray area."

In its simplest form, the practice is a matter of preference. The Spurs are choosing to gamble with O'Neal's 50.3 percent foul shooting rather than risk a Steve Nash jump shot or Amaré Stoudemire dunk. In this sense, the tactic is no different from baseball's intentional walk. After all, why pitch to a .275 hitter with the tying run on second if a .187 hitter waits on deck?

But there's an element about this that irritates purists, including those ordering the fouls.

Popovich himself downplayed the tactic's success after Game 1 and exaggerated its failure in Game 2, saying O'Neal "made the strategy look really stupid."

In the 2004 Western Conference finals, then-Minnesota coach Flip Saunders told reporters that intentionally fouling O'Neal in such a manner wasn't his style, but he felt he had no choice.

"When I was a college coach, in my office I had a saying and I had a dinosaur," Saunders said. "It said, 'Adapt or Die.' So if I have to adapt in order not to die, I'm going to adapt."

D'Antoni said Thursday that the Suns should take the strategy as a compliment. The Spurs didn't think they could stop Phoenix in the half court so they waved the "white flag a little" he said.

But that hasn't always been the case. The Suns were struggling in the third quarter of Game 2. They had missed 11 of 14 attempts. The Spurs were on a 19-6 run, leading 73-67 when Ime Udoka wrapped up O'Neal near midcourt. Another foul and possession later, the Suns prevented an intentional foul with quick ball movement, but even as Leandro Barbosa attempted a layup, O'Neal was bolting in the backcourt from Brent Barry, trying to avoid a foul.

"A little bit," Suns General Manager Steve Kerr said when asked whether he was surprised the Spurs chose to foul in that situation. "Pop is a guy who takes great pride in defense more than anything . . . (But) there's a method to the madness. It's not just, 'Well, let's try this.' It's 'All right, let's disrupt the Suns' flow a little bit.' "

If San Antonio uses the strategy in Game 3, D'Antoni said he would wait and see how O'Neal fares.

If his center makes 5 of 6 like he did after Game 2's intentional fouls, O'Neal likely will stay in the game. If not, D'Antoni said the Suns have other options.

Either way, O'Neal is ready.

"It's nothing that I'm scared of," O'Neal said. "I just want to go to the line and make them. That's always been my Achilles' heel.

"They always say if you want to win championships, you got to step to the line and hit them. Luckily, I've been doing it come playoff time, so we'll be all right."

[LakeShow]

case closed. just like your litte mind. Apparently theres a specific time frame that you have to use certain coaching strategies. WOW...that is ridiculous......your argument & stance hold no weight. you got nothing but :cry :baby.....

but i will give you a suggestion on this..... :yield you say everyone outside of texas hates it......wheres your support?

Oh really? Check your game day thread, game two. There were several PROUD Spurs fans that disapproved of the tactic.

[LakeShow]

^Exactly, it's ring or no ring. This is it for SAS. Pop knows the history books won't remember him using hack-a-shaq, only the fact that he won ring #5 will be remembered if the Spur win.

Oh no, they will remember it. When the league changes the rule in the off season, it will reference this series, Spurs vs. Suns as the reason why the rule was implemented.

[stretch]

Oh really? Check your game day thread, game two. There were several PROUD Spurs fans that disapproved of the tactic.

and there were suns fans who had no problem whatsoever with the tactic. and there are laker fans who had no problem with the tactic in the past. so shut the fuck up.

[Kermit]

Oh no, they will remember it. When the league changes the rule in the off season, it will reference this series, Spurs vs. Suns as the reason why the rule was implemented.

1) They are not going to change the rule.

2) This series will be remembered for the way the Suns laid down like a vietnamese whore, not for the Hack-A-Shaq method that utterly failed in game 2.

3) The Lakers suck elephant cock.

4) If a rule is established prohibiting the method (of hacking Shaq to win a game, not of sucking elephant cock which the league has ruled is permissible because the Lakers and their fans are so damn good at it and it's good for ratings), it will be Don Nelson that will be remembered, not the Spurs.

[LakeShow]

1) They are not going to change the rule.

2) This series will be remembered for the way the Suns laid down like a vietnamese whore, not for the Hack-A-Shaq method that utterly failed in game 2.

3) The Lakers suck elephant cock.

4) If a rule is established prohibiting the method (of hacking Shaq to win a game, not of sucking elephant cock which the league has ruled is permissible because the Lakers and their fans are so damn good at it and it's good for ratings), it will be Don Nelson that will be remembered, not the Spurs.

Don Nelson is remembered for the rule change in the last 2 minutes. This is an entirely different situation. Don Nelson never faced the lakers in the playoffs or Miami. Don has nothing to do with this one, it's all San Antonio!

[ambchang]

It's not like Pop is doing this when the Spurs are down with only a few minutes left in the game. He did it when they were up by 6 pts in the 3rd quarter. You can't sit here and tell me with a straight face that completely stopping the flow of the game and turning it into a spectacle as Shaq tries to outrun Spurs players as they rush to bearhug him is good for basketball. It's a move that reeks of desperation.

If a team needs to do this to win, they aren't winning a championship.

So the Spurs are UP in the game, up 1-0 on the series, and they reek of desperation.

Makes sense to me.

[oboymeetsogirl]

Okay, you guys need to put yourself into Suns fans' shoes: what if, when the Spurs get on a roll, they started to deliberately foul Bruce and Timmy. You know how painful it would be to see them clanging foul shouts? Not only is it boring as hell, I think it would knock the Spurs off their offensive rhythm.

Lot of people were saying Pop's strategy didn't work in game 2. I say it did because the guy who was doing most of the Suns' scoring in the third period was Shaq. And everyone knows the Suns only get going when Steve, Amare, Leandro, etc. get going. Took the Suns right out of their game!

Thank you, Nellie, for your coaching genius...

[ambchang]

Don Nelson is remembered for the rule change in the last 2 minutes. This is an entirely different situation. Don Nelson never faced the lakers in the playoffs or Miami. Don has nothing to do with this one, it's all San Antonio!

Wrong again on the rule change.

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Hack-a-Shaq

[ambchang]

Okay, you guys need to put yourself into Suns fans' shoes: what if, when the Spurs get on a roll, they started to deliberately foul Bruce and Timmy. You know how painful it would be to see them clanging foul shouts? Not only is it boring as hell, I think it would knock the Spurs off their offensive rhythm.

Lot of people were saying Pop's strategy didn't work in game 2. I say it did because the guy who was doing most of the Suns' scoring in the third period was Shaq. And everyone knows the Suns only get going when Steve, Amare, Leandro, etc. get going. Took the Suns right out of their game!

Thank you, Nellie, for your coaching genius...

The Suns only scored 1 FG in the 3rd quarter and was clearly out of sync when Pop unleashed Hack-a-Shaq. It was probably done to mess with their heads.

[SpursWoman]

Okay, you guys need to put yourself into Suns fans' shoes: what if, when the Spurs get on a roll, they started to deliberately foul Bruce and Timmy. You know how painful it would be to see them clanging foul shouts? Not only is it boring as hell, I think it would knock the Spurs off their offensive rhythm.

Lot of people were saying Pop's strategy didn't work in game 2. I say it did because the guy who was doing most of the Suns' scoring in the third period was Shaq. And everyone knows the Suns only get going when Steve, Amare, Leandro, etc. get going. Took the Suns right out of their game!

Thank you, Nellie, for your coaching genius...


I'd actually be screaming at Bruce or Timmy to make his fucking free throws. Why would I ever bitch about a free attempt at points?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

The reason Shaq can't shoot free throws is not because he doesn't practice them.

He suffered a childhood injury to his wrist that has never full recovered. It limits his range of motion and makes it very difficult to get any sort of ball rotation. You also need to factor in the fact that his hands are probably twice the size of the ball, it's like one of us trying to shoot with a golf ball. He has been on 4 different teams and has had countless shooting coaches try and help him, it just ain't gonna happen.

Show where he says all that happened.

[LakeShow]

Wrong again on the rule change.

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Hack-a-Shaq

Yeah, I posted that article. I could have sworn that they changed that rule when Nellie was doing it but I was wrong. Interesting quote on the reasons the NBA did not change the rule then. It's certain to change now.
Problem For The League

Just as had been the case with Chamberlain decades earlier, the using of off-the-ball intentional fouling against O'Neal became somewhat problematic for the NBA. During the 2000 NBA Playoffs, there were two games in particular, one involving the Portland Trail Blazers (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Portland_Trail_Blazers) and one involving the Indiana Pacers (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Indiana_Pacers), in which those two teams employed the Hack-a-Shaq defense by against the Lakers so relentlessly that the games were deemed unwatchable with their incessant stoppages for foul shots. As a result, there was some discussion of expanding the off-the-ball foul rule to encompass more than just the final two minutes of the game, or of instituting some other rule change which would discourage the use of Hack-a-Shaq.
Ultimately though, the NBA decided not to adopt any new rules designed specifically to discourage the Hack-a-Shaq strategy. One factor cited in that decision was that the Lakers won both of the aforementioned games. Since the strategy had not worked well enough to provide a win for either of the teams that had used it, there was reason to hope that its use would not become widespread.
NBA Commissioner David Stern (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/David_Stern) said, "We're not planning to rush out and enact some Hack-a-Shaq antidote." Russ Granik (http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russ_Granik&action=edit), NBA Deputy Commissioner, added, "We've had a couple of games ... where ... there was a lot of early deliberate fouling ... without great success. And for us to ... create some new rule in response to that just doesn't seem logical."

[ambchang]

Yeah, I posted that article. I could have sworn that they changed that rule when Nellie was doing it but I was wrong. Interesting quote on the reasons the NBA did not change the rule then. It's certain to change now.

It is certain to change now because the Spurs are successful at it, but not when the Spurs were not even using it much.

Sounds fair.

[cash459]

Yeah, I was wrong.

:toast

[cash459]

and there were suns fans who had no problem whatsoever with the tactic. and there are laker fans who had no problem with the tactic in the past. so shut the fuck up.

:lol :toast :lol :toast

[cash459]

it slows down the momentum and flow of the game...........oh no!...........guess what, so does calling a time out when the opposition is making a run on the offensive end of the floor.

GET OVER IT!

[sabar]

LOL @ laker fans defending this instead of Suns fans.

[peskypesky]

I also suffer from a childhood genetic disorder that doesn't allow me to grow to 7 feet tall and being athletic. NBA teams should sign me up, then force the league to change the rules so that it would make it fair to me to be able to do exactly what the Duncans and the James can do in the league.

:toast
:lmao

[Kobe62Mavs61]

We are seeing the Spurs fans true colors. Resorting to HIV smack??? Fucking pathetic. They know what Pop did was a pussy ass move, other-wise they wouldn't be so pissed off.

What do you expect from a bunch of Pussies who use the hack a shaq?

[Kobe62Mavs61]

I understand that you like to drink Pube sweat and you have a very little problem, inchworm.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Kobe62Mavs61]

:owned:owned by the Show!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[cash459]

wow....theres that ever clever "owned" phrase...

must make you feel good to run around & say that on an internet forum :rolleyes :dramaquee

maybe on your next post to this thread, you can actually bring something to table and discuss this thread....not just quote other ridiculous off topic posts & :lmao

[sagrzmnky]

Here is a good question, everyone knows that Duncan is not the best free throw shooter, so why didn't D'Antoni try the same tactic? Probably because Tim would have made his shots.