Any "White American" Guards???

[Tacker]

Im trying to think of good Point/Shooting Guards that are white Americans. I could only think of Kirk Hinrich. Anybody else???

*They must be born in America, Their parents must be Americans, and their race is white.

*Jason Kidd is not fully white american.

[lebomb]

Jason Williams

[lebomb]

Im trying to think Point/Shooting Guard starters that are white Americans. I could only think of Jason Kidd, Kirk Hinrich. Anybody else???

Jason Kidd is mixed.......white mammy and a no-gooder for a dad.

[florige]

Stevie Blake.

[lebomb]

Luke Ridnour

[GinobiliLooms]

Travis Diener

[JoeTait75]

Jason Kapono

[Bulwark]

How's this Spurs related?

[Xylus]

Gilbert Arenas

[lebomb]

Hell if I know :depressed

[ancestron]

and I think thats about all of them

[tlongII]

Isn't Ginobili a guard? I think he's better than Parker, do you?

[DarrinS]

Kyle Korver?

[NASpurs]

Isn't Ginobili a guard? I think he's better than Parker, do you?

*rant*

*rant*

So in the end, Parker doesn't pass the ball enough to Manu!

Oh and timvp is a racist.

:stirpot:

[ancestron]

Ginobili is not american.

Isn't Korver a SF?

[Bulwark]

Isn't Ginobili a guard? I think he's better than Parker, do you?

Yeah, good one. Start the Ginobili vs. Parker and Ginobili: Hispanic or White flame wars all in one thread.

[Bulwark]

Ginobili is not american.

Isn't Korver a SF?

Good point. Forum war averted.

[florige]

What is Brent Barry?

[Xylus]

Forum war averted.

:lol

[Shaolin-Style]

Brent Barry

[florige]

JJ Redick

[ThomasGranger]

The OP forgot to add "red blooded."

[NASpurs]

Tim Duncan. Oh wait, he's not a guard.

[ThomasGranger]

Redick sort of sucks.

[naico]

Farmar

[Bulwark]

Redick sort of sucks. Well, sucking or not isn't part of the selection criteria.

[manufor3]

Jason Kapono

ya!

[ancestron]

Is Farmar american?

[ShoogarBear]

http://pro.corbis.com/images/CYB20038.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B3C689D0A-EEED-45E0-9CE5-77873938D015%7D

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/images/2006-2007/0404spurs3_white_tr.jpg

[JoeTait75]

Is Farmar american?

He's a black Jew. Like Sammy Davis Jr.

[FromWayDowntown]

James White!!

[ThomasGranger]

Well, sucking or not isn't part of the selection criteria.

The OP was "asking about good Point/Shooting Guards"

[Tacker]

Well, sucking or not isn't part of the selection criteria.

I said GOOD Shooting/Point Guards

[Tacker]

Is Farmar american?

No he is jewish

[ancestron]

what is Vujacic

[ThomasGranger]

Wouldn't it be Israeli? (not being a smart ass, just askin')

[Kori Ellis]

No he is jewish

:lol He's American (he was born in Los Angeles). I just don't know if you classify him as white. If you are saying Kidd is white, then Farmar should qualify as white too.

[nashzilla]

grayson boucher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTFKROPkhRc

[ShoogarBear]

Does South American count? Does Hispanic South American count?

[Tacker]

:lol He's American. I just don't know if you classify him as white. If you are saying Kidd is white, then Farmar should qualify as white too.

Well good point but Kidd was born in America and Farmar's parents are Jewish, but I guess we can remove Jason Kidd.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm not sure why it matters.

But, to play along:

Mike Miller
Mike Dunleavy
Matt Carroll

[Kori Ellis]

Well good point but Kidd was born in America and Farmar was born in Israel.

Farmar was born in Los Angeles.

[ThomasGranger]

Oh, Lordy! This is turning into a discussion about race.

[Kori Ellis]

Jordan Robert Farmar was born on November 30, 1986 in Los Angeles, California. Jordan Farmar is an American basketball player who was drafted 26th in the 2006 NBA Draft by the Los Angeles Lakers. He had previously been the starting point guard for the UCLA men's basketball team.

http://www.jordanfarmar.org/

[Tacker]

Farmar was born in Los Angeles.

My bad youre right, but when Im talking about "White American" I mean Born in America, Parents are Americans, and race is White.

[Kori Ellis]

Oh, Lordy! This is turning into a discussion about race.

Of course it is. The thread is entitled "White American." :lol

[ShoogarBear]

My bad youre right, but when Im talking about "White American" I mean Born in America, Parents are Americans, and race is White.

I'm beginning to see why the Wizards are your favorite team.

[Kori Ellis]

My bad youre right, but when Im talking about "White American" I mean Born in America, Parents are Americans, and race is White.

Well one of Jason Kidd's parents is black. So cross him off your list I guess.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm beginning to see why the Wizards are your favorite team.

:lol

[Bulwark]

I said GOOD Shooting/Point Guards Sorry, my bad. Just read the thread title and my response was not as well thought out as the original question.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I didn't read that you only wanted current players, but...

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/john_stockton-arton33443-240x290.jpg

[boutons_]

Becky Hammon

[ancestron]

Becky Hammon

Becky Hammon is officially a Russkie now

:soapbox:

[Spurminator]

I'm having trouble getting to page 3 in this thread, but has anyone mentioned Oprah Winfrey?

[T Park]

I don't mean to be the downer in a riveting conversation but

A. Spurs related how?

B. Why does the said person have to be white, and how does that pertain to anything?

[duncan228]

...Farmar's parents are Jewish

Now that it's been established that Farmar was born in America, is he not considered white because he's Jewish?

You do know that Judiaism is a religion, not a race, don't you?

[hater]

I said GOOD Shooting/Point Guards

well that pretty much rules out 99% of the possible candidates :lol

[miketan]

Tim Duncan. Oh wait, he's not a guard.

:bang:bang:bang

[YoMamaIsCallin]

James White!!

now THAT is funny!

[Obstructed_View]

John Stockton?

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Im trying to think of good Point/Shooting Guards that are white Americans. I could only think of Kirk Hinrich. Anybody else???


Of what possible value is this discussion? Why do you care? And why should I care?

[Bob Lanier]

I'm beginning to see why the Wizards are your favorite team.

http://sbsd.psjh.cy.edu.tw/~y9190027/act_jahidi_white.jpg

[Tacker]

I don't mean to be the downer in a riveting conversation but

A. Spurs related how?

B. Why does the said person have to be white, and how does that pertain to anything?

Just concerned thats why.

[Tacker]

Now that it's been established that Farmar was born in America, is he not considered white because he's Jewish?

You do know that Judiaism is a religion, not a race, don't you?

Well ok, but his parents are from Israel. Which is not in my mind considering what I posted in the first post

[T Park]

Concerned?

[Tacker]

Of what possible value is this discussion? Why do you care? And why should I care?

No offense but if you don't care and then you don't need to engage in this discussion. Im just curious because there aren't lots of good white american basketball players. One would think they would dominate the game considering NBA is in America and stuff. Again this question is out of curiosity, not being racist or anything.

[Tacker]

Concerned?

ok ok, change it to Curious.

[Kori Ellis]

No offense but if you don't care and then you don't need to engage in this discussion. Im just curious because there aren't lots of good white american basketball players. One would think they would dominate the game considering NBA is in America and stuff. Again this question is out of curiosity, not being racist or anything.


Why would you think white Americans would dominate the game? In general, the African-American players are better athletes than the white American players.

[endrity]

Hispanic/Jew are ethnicities/nationalities not races. A South American, Jew is still white.
Technically speaking there are three races in the continent: White, Black, Asian.

Which makes Farmar white, and I think Kidd is pretty white as well.

[Kori Ellis]

Hispanic/Jew are ethnicities/nationalities not races. A South American, Jew is still white.
Technically speaking there are three races in the continent: White, Black, Asian.

Which makes Farmar white, and I think Kidd is pretty white as well.

Farmar and Kidd both have one black parent and one white parent (if you count Farmar's Jewish American mom as white).

[Tacker]

Hispanic/Jew are ethnicities/nationalities not races. A South American, Jew is still white.
Technically speaking there are three races in the continent: White, Black, Asian.

Which makes Farmar white, and I think Kidd is pretty white as well.

First of all, you forgot Hispanic, Native American, Middle Eastern. BTW note on my first post I said Parents must be Americans as well.

[Kobayagi]

the African-American players are better athletes than the white American players.

The NHL says Hi!



j/k :lol

[Kori Ellis]

First of all, you forgot Hispanic, Native American, Middle Eastern. BTW note on my first post I said Parents must be Americans as well.

Middle Eastern and Hispanic aren't considered races here.

The races are:
White
Black
Asian
American Indian/Alaska Native
Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

[endrity]

First of all, you forgot Hispanic, Native American, Middle Eastern. BTW note on my first post I said Parents must be Americans as well.

Hispanic = South American, yes they are racially white.
Middle Easterns = White, only a darker skin color. But then again, so is most of Southern Europe.
Native Americans, yes they are probably not white. You could argue they are similiar to asians, yet they are a very small minority. Them, Eskimos, are probably a different race but a small one in the planet right now.

Second, I don't know where you read that Farmar's parents are from Israel. There are many Jews around the world, that never lived in Israel. Farmar is as white as he can be, and grew up in the US.

I think we are all forgetting Deron Williams. He seems white to me, and despite the fact that he tries to act like he is not most of the time, still looks really white to me.

[Kori Ellis]

Second, I don't know where you read that Farmar's parents are from Israel. There are many Jews around the world, that never lived in Israel. Farmar is as white as he can be, and grew up in the US.

Farmar's father is African-American. His mother is an American Jew, she re-married an Israeli Jew.

[endrity]

^Mike Bibby as well.

[NASpurs]

Err I think the word that people are forgetting is "caucasian"

[endrity]

Farmar's father is African-American. His mother is an American Jew, she re-married an Israeli Jew.

So then his original parents never came from Israel, like the guy pretends. And Farmar still seems more white to me (I know that sounds really stupid).

[Kori Ellis]

Err I think the word that people are forgetting is "caucasian"
White=Caucasian. Same thing in terms of race.

[T Park]

Err I think the word that people are forgetting is "caucasian"

White caucasian. still the same thing.

Why does THAT matter?

[Kori Ellis]

So then his original parents never came from Israel, like the guy pretends.

Correct. His dad is African-American. His mom is American Jew (of Persian decent, I believe). His step dad is Israeli Jew. He has been to Israel and they raised him in a Jewish household, but he's not Israeli.

[endrity]

Then going back to the original argument

Derron Williams, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby are probably the 3 best white US guards.

[Kori Ellis]

Then going back to the original argument

Derron Williams, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby are probably the 3 best white US guards.

If you count being 1/2 white as white, then yes. But most people don't:lol

[NASpurs]

White caucasian. still the same thing.

Why does THAT matter?

Because white is a color. I've seen "white" asians before. They don't look "yellow" to me if y'all keep saying that. So that's why THAT matters.

[endrity]

If you count being 1/2 white as white, then yes. But most people don't:lol

Well Bibby is definetely white, I don't know his history but he looks 100% white to me.

And Kidd and Williams seem to be "more" white than black. I think we are splititng hairs here :)

[Kori Ellis]

Well Bibby is definetely white, I don't know his history but he looks 100% white to me.

And Kidd and Williams seem to be "more" white than black. I think we are splititng hairs here :)

They all have 1 white parent and 1 black parent. So, if that counts as white to you, then they are white. :lol Most people don't categorize bi-racial people as white.

[endrity]

Because white is a color. I've seen "white" asians before. They don't look "yellow" to me if y'all keep saying that. So that's why THAT matters.

No, the one biological trait that easily identifies Asians is the shape of their eyes. Their skin color is similiar to whites.

And if you wanna look for one characteristic of black people, it would probably be their hair being more dry than white people. There are "blacks" who have a very white skin as well.

[Kori Ellis]

Because white is a color. I've seen "white" asians before. They don't look "yellow" to me if y'all keep saying that. So that's why THAT matters.

Here in America (even on the census), White is interchangeable with Caucasian. People know that.

[timvp]

Hopefully Chris Paul has a bleach accident so we can claim him too :hungry:

[endrity]

They all have 1 white parent and 1 black parent. So, if that counts as white to you, then they are white. :lol Most people don't categorize bi-racial people as white.

Then I guess we are down to .... Mike Dunleavy????:lol

[Elraptor]

Jason Williams

Jason Kidd

Farmar

Luke Ridnour

That's a good list :D

[Kori Ellis]

I think the original poster's point was there are not a lot of 100% White/Caucasian guards who are good.

I'm not sure why he is shocked by it though, considering African-Americans (generally) are better athletes, therefore dominate the teams.

[NASpurs]

Here in America (even on the census), White is interchangeable with Caucasian. People know that.

:lol I know that. I live here in "America".

Yet it's stupid because it's not PC at all where people here get butt tight hurt here if you use the word incorrectly.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol I know that. I live here in "America".


I know you do. I just don't know the point of trying to muddle it. :lol Everyone knows White=Caucasian in this discussion.

[Elraptor]

I think the original poster's point was there are not a lot of 100% White/Caucasian guards who are good.

I'm not sure why he is shocked by it though, considering African-Americans (generally) are better athletes, therefore dominate the teams.Yea in basketball for sure they are.

[Tacker]

I think the original poster's point was there are not a lot of 100% White/Caucasian guards who are good.


Thank you..

[timvp]

considering African-Americans (generally) are better athletesAs a follow up comment, is Ginobili white or Hispanic? Is Scola white or Hispanic? Are Ginobili and Scola the same race?

Thanks in advanced.

:stirpot:

[Kobayagi]

I think the original poster's point was there are not a lot of 100% White/Caucasian guards who are good.


You forgot to add American.



That being cleared...can we now have a thread with big black stiffs at C as opposed to big white stiffs?

[Kori Ellis]

As a follow up comment, is Ginobili white or Hispanic? Is Scola white or Hispanic? Are Ginobili and Scola the same race?

Thanks in advanced.

:stirpot:

Race=White
Ethnicity=Hispanic
Nationality=Argentinean
Heritage=Italian(in Manu's case)

:lol

[NASpurs]

timvp should be banned from such threads. We all know he's a racist.

[timvp]

How come there are no black people in Argentina? At one point in time, blacks outnumbered other races in Argentina 3 to 1.

What happened?

Thanks.

[endrity]

Race=White
Ethnicity=Hispanic
Nationality=Argentinean
Heritage=Italian(in Manu's case)

:lol

+1

[T Park]

The sky is blue.

I think anyone that has half a brain knows there aren't many good wite players in the league...

[T Park]

How come there are no black people in Argentina? At one point in time, blacks outnumbered other races in Argentina 3 to 1.

What happened?

Thanks.


Wow you need a bigger pot stirrer icon for that :lol

[PlayoffEx-static]

I was watching the Philly/Detroit game. Henry Bibby (Mike's dad) is on the Philly staff, and he's also VERY light skinned. I'm not sure Mike qualifies as half-n-half.

[WalterBenitez]

Does South American count? Does Hispanic South American count?

If so Manu is american, but those gringos call America only to US :nerd

[Bulwark]

Here in America (even on the census), White is interchangeable with Caucasian. People know that. This is true. However, I don't know why they use that term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus

[Kori Ellis]

This is true. However, I don't know why they use that term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus

Because people can't spell Caucasian. :lmao

[Kobayagi]

:lmao

[Bulwark]

Because people can't spell Caucasian. :lmao
I was trying to point out that the this can be an ambiguous term depending on what part of the world you live in. Some take it as people who hail from the Caucasus region of Eurasia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian

[Kori Ellis]

I was trying to point out that the this can be an ambiguous term depending on what part of the world you live in. Some take it as people who hail from the Caucasus region of Eurasia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian

I know. I was just trying to be funny.

[WalterBenitez]

Race=White
Ethnicity=Hispanic
Nationality=Argentinean
Heritage=Italian(in Manu's case)

:lol

:wow ... those words only to describe what Manu is ...:reading

[Bulwark]

I know. I was just trying to be funny. Sorry. My Internet sense of humor is a little slow.

[Kori Ellis]

:wow ... those words only to describe what Manu is ...:reading

Clutch Factor=Exceptional
Warrior Aspect=Top-Notch
Ball Size=Enormous
:downspin:

[Bulwark]

Clutch Factor=Exceptional
Warrior Aspect=Top-Notch
Ball Size=Enormous
:downspin:
:lol I got that one.

[Kobayagi]

When Manu retires the Chuck Norris facts will be renamed the Manu facts.

[ShoogarBear]

Then going back to the original argument

Derron Williams, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby are probably the 3 best white US guards.

They can't be white. They're athletic.

[ShoogarBear]

If so Manu is american, but those gringos call America only to US :nerd
Precisely.

I don't know why South/Central Americans, Mexicans, and Canadians don't go off on that more.

[danyel]

How come there are no black people in Argentina? At one point in time, blacks outnumbered other races in Argentina 3 to 1.

What happened?

Thanks.

I don't think those numbers are accurate.

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/argentina.html

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Why would you think white Americans would dominate the game? In general, the African-American players are better athletes than the white American players.

In my opinion this is a myth.

In general, there are no fundamental differences between races, whether on the athleticism, intelligence, or any other spectrum. The differences are cosmetic. It's actually pretty clear that races do not exist in any scientific sense -- as specifically identifiable traits that are clear-cut (like you'd see between species).

In my opinion when you see a certain group dominate a sport, it's because that sport is very important to that group, and the leaders of that group make it clear that they value achievement in that sport, and the kids grow up trying to be good at that sport and practicing and working at it, and seeking to continue to move up to higher and higher levels. You can see this over and over again in history, with all kinds of groups.

[Bulwark]

If so Manu is american, but those gringos call America only to US :nerd

The gringos and much of the world use the term American as the nationality of the USA. It seems to be a sore spot only for Latin Americans. But soon Canadians and Mexicans will be brought into the fold http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233

[ShoogarBear]

How come there are no black people in Argentina? At one point in time, blacks outnumbered other races in Argentina 3 to 1.

What happened?

Thanks.

They refused to acknowledge Madonna as their ruler.

[clubalien]

White caucasian. still the same thing.

Why does THAT matter?

the nba need white superstars like manu because they are RLE MODELs. if you are a white poor kid and you wtach the nba any only see black superstars you don't you can make it.. owever since that person is your race, from a poor background liek you. You are liekly to think hey manu did that I can too as a white poor kid. IF all you see is people that you cannot assocate to your never try..

Now why is this important because if they play basketball and practice. They are less likely to be in a gang or involved with "bad behavior". When they play even if they aren;t good enough they coudl geta college degree for playing ball for free.

It has always been my belief that the NBA needs to promote its white superstars so they white kids do not feel they have no chance and basketball is only for blacks. Just like Black CEOs and women ceos tell kids yes you too can work hard and become a ceo.

ROLE MODELS are good for society mroe so if the indiviudal can identify with them:fro

[ShoogarBear]

It has always been my belief that the NBA needs to promote its white superstars so they white kids do not feel they have no chance and basketball is only for blacks. Just like Black CEOs and women ceos tell kids yes you too can work hard and become a ceo.

ROLE MODELS are good for society mroe so if the indiviudal can identify with them:fro

SpursTalk could support this by having a mullet smiley.

[Bulwark]

In my opinion this is a myth.

In general, there are no fundamental differences between races, whether on the athleticism, intelligence, or any other spectrum. The differences are cosmetic. It's actually pretty clear that races do not exist in any scientific sense -- as specifically identifiable traits that are clear-cut (like you'd see between species).

In my opinion when you see a certain group dominate a sport, it's because that sport is very important to that group, and the leaders of that group make it clear that they value achievement in that sport, and the kids grow up trying to be good at that sport and practicing and working at it, and seeking to continue to move up to higher and higher levels. You can see this over and over again in history, with all kinds of groups.

Dr. Watson, Nobel Peace Prize winner, geneticist and co-founder of the DNA structure does not agree with you. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/18/world/main3379730.shtml

[Obstructed_View]

In general, the African-American players are better athletes than the white American players.


http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/jimmythegreek.jpg

Who loves ya, baby?

[Obstructed_View]

They refused to acknowledge Madonna as their ruler.

:lmao
I don't even know why that's funny. It just is.
:lmao

[clubalien]

thought i would add these

http://jonesonthenba.blogspot.com/2006/05/top-20-white-american-players-of-last.html
http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/all-white-team
Why do white nba players shoot better? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080330150242AAUQ9j9&show=7)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

"White" is not a race. :rolleyes

WGAF what colour a person is anyway? Skin colour is related to one gene - melanin production. Colour is irrelevant.

Stupid thread.

[bdictjames]

Black people are more talented athletically.

I see white guys as good shooters and good point guards/quarterbacks.

[PlayoffEx-static]

"White" is not a race. :rolleyes

WGAF what colour a person is anyway? Skin colour is related to one gene - melanin production. Colour is irrelevant.

Stupid thread.

Did you know that people of African descent have a very large diversity of mitochondrial DNA and the rest of the world has very little? This goes back to Africa as the cradle of humanity, and that a small group (with few females) left there and spread widely over the other continents. Race isn't JUST about skin color or melanin production.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

My two cents:

Race is not a concept that can be used on humans. Humans are a specie. The concept of race is a social construct, it is arbitrary, imprecise and has many variations and exceptions.

In biology, the term "race" is rarely used because it is ambigous. The term is used colloquially to refer to human groupings. Suposedly, they are used to classify people according to visible traits, but other characteristics are used, such as culture, society, religion, ethnic, linguistic, regional and national traits.

The concept of race is a social and cultural construction, race simply cannot be tested or proven scientifically.

"many social scientists have replaced the word race with the word "ethnicity" to refer to self-identifying groups based on beliefs concerning shared culture, ancestry and history. Alongside empirical and conceptual problems with "race," following the Second World War, evolutionary and social scientists were acutely aware of how beliefs about race had been used to justify discrimination, apartheid, slavery, and genocide. This questioning gained momentum in the 1960s during the U.S. civil rights movement and the emergence of numerous anti-colonial movements worldwide. They thus came to understood that these justifications, even when expressed in language that sought to appear objective, were social constructs."

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Well said, Manu'sMagical. :tu


Did you know that people of African descent have a very large diversity of mitochondrial DNA and the rest of the world has very little? This goes back to Africa as the cradle of humanity, and that a small group (with few females) left there and spread widely over the other continents. Race isn't JUST about skin color or melanin production.

I didn't say that race is just related to skin colour or melanin production - of course it isn't. You use the example of mitochondrial DNA, but there are also many other phenotype markers. 'Race' is a polygenic effect, and beyond that culture also influences 'race'. That was my point.

I said "skin colour is related to one gene", my point being why focus on someone's colour? Please read more closely in future. ;)