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BacktoBasics
04-22-2008, 10:47 AM
Not that it matters. Oil could be .01 a barrel and they'd still charge the going rate but I found the article interesting.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=61808

National news media burying amazing oil breakthrough?
Man working to convert all that grows into fuel surprised by 'inattention'

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Posted: April 16, 2008
11:12 pm Eastern



By Joe Kovacs



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WorldNetDaily

It could potentially be one of the biggest energy breakthroughs in history – genetically manipulating bacteria to quickly convert anything that grows out of the Earth into oil. But the biggest names in the national media have thus far not provided any coverage of this possible solution to skyrocketing gas prices and America's long-term energy security.

A WND story last month introduced to the nation a new technique where altered bacteria "rapidly digest" everything from grass clippings and wood chips, turning them into hydrocarbons for fuels such as gasoline and diesel. If done on a large scale, it could provide billions of barrels of renewable oil every year.


Naturally occurring bacteria used to convert biomass into hydrocarbons.


One reader, Joe Russo of Fairbanks, Alaska, called it "the biggest story we've seen in a decade, yet the cable and mainstream news networks haven't even picked up on it."

The apparent inattention comes as a big surprise to the agricultural researcher pioneering the process, J.C. Bell, the CEO of Bell Bio-Energy, Inc.

"We've been on several radio stations, but nothing really national," he said. "We haven't talked to anybody. Nobody's called us – nobody from the Associated Press or CNN or Fox News Channel, which kind of surprised us. We thought it would generate something."

Bell gave an overview of his plans today at the U.S. Defense Department's Worldwide Energy Conference & Trade Show in Arlington, Va., where more than 750 Air Force, Army, Navy, Marine, Coast Guard and federal organizations were represented.

"He was very well-received there," said Wesley Cox, owner of WCGA Radio, a news/talk station in St. Simons Island, Ga.

Cox complains, "The mainstream media has been ignoring systematically the facts about energy creation and use, and they've been doing it for years."

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He thinks believability could be a factor when it comes to the lack of national coverage.

"It's a lot easier to not run a story than it is to run a story that's not proven yet."

Bell's bacterial discovery has already been published in two Georgia newspapers – the Tifton Gazette and the Macon Telegraph – but neither report was picked up by the Associated Press, despite those papers being members of the news cooperative.

WND contacted the bureau chief at the AP's Atlanta office, who said, "I can't give you an answer as to why, because this is the first I've heard of it. We'll look into it and see what's going on."

Reporter Jana Cone, who documented Bell's claims for the Tifton paper, was also at a loss to explain why the AP neither picked up the story nor assigned its own writer.

"I have no explanation except people don't think it's possible," Cone said. "All of our stuff is available to them, and they pick up stories as they wish. If what [Bell] says is a fact, it could be absolutely huge."

Bell maintains with just 2 billion tons of biomass, his process can produce 5 billion barrels of oil each year naturally, with no negative impact on the environment.

"That's 5 billion barrels of oil that can be produced from just trash," he said.

Despite the national media's silence, Bell is moving forward with plans to make his process a reality.

"It's not even theory anymore," he told WND. "Now we're just engineering. We are within a very few days of announcing the location of our first pilot plant."

The process of converting biomass into energy is not in dispute scientifically.

"Yes it can be done, but you have to do it economically," said Dr. Art Robinson, a research professor of chemistry at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine who publishes the Access to Energy newsletter. "These other ways [of producing energy] work; the only question is if they're competitive in price. Any hydrocarbon under pressure and temperature can turn into oil."

Robinson added, "We only have two competitive ways of making energy at low costs: hydrocarbons [oil, gas, coal and methane clathrate] and nuclear, and both are demonized to the point that our country is in trouble."

For the third straight day today, oil prices settled at a record high, gushing to a record $115.07 a barrel at one point. Gasoline prices have also been surging along with crude. AAA reports gasoline prices hit a new record of $3.399, up more than a penny from the previous day's price of $3.386.

RandomGuy
04-22-2008, 11:14 AM
"worldnetdaily" articles are to be taken with a grain of salt.

One cannot conclusively conclude that what they post is false, but they have a reputation of very poor fact checking and not telling the whole truth.

I would emphasize this bit:


The process of converting biomass into energy is not in dispute scientifically.

"Yes it can be done, but you have to do it economically," said Dr. Art Robinson, a research professor of chemistry at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine who publishes the Access to Energy newsletter. "These other ways [of producing energy] work; the only question is if they're competitive in price. Any hydrocarbon under pressure and temperature can turn into oil."

The thing about chemistry is that you can't get something for nothing. At some point you HAVE to put energy into a system.

Take a field of wheat. When you put energy into this system in the form of sunlight, you get an absorbtion of energy, and that is converted into grain by photosynthesis.

At night, with no light, plants use oxygen and sugars and burn calories just like animals do.

This is little different. I am sure the bacteria exist, and I am sure someone will try to use them to make oil.

I am just as sure that process requires a good chunk of energy in the form of heat (the standard way that chemical energy is created/absorbed).

You can take shortcuts in enegy requirements by using enzymes, and organisms do this often, but you CANNOT violate laws of physics.

Ultimately, whether or not this process is economical depends on the amounts of energy involved. We'll see. If there is money to be made, some greedy bastard will do it, if I may paraphrase the definition of capitalism.

Wild Cobra
04-23-2008, 02:18 AM
Not that it matters. Oil could be .01 a barrel and they'd still charge the going rate but I found the article interesting.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=61808

etc. etc. etc.

You may also want to see this thread:

Bye-Bye Oil Companies... As we know them... (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90771)

I actually heard an interview with this guy. However, Random's statements on efficiency are very wise to consider. I have not yet heard any cost figures or energy ratios. If they don't pan out, the process doesn't have much use except for breaking down waste. At least we could reduce waste and produce fuel.

sabar
04-23-2008, 03:45 AM
Grey goo!

TeyshaBlue
04-23-2008, 08:16 AM
Grey goo!

*cue Charlton Heston*

It's People!....Soylent Green is peeeeooooopllleee!!!:rollin

101A
04-23-2008, 08:57 AM
NOVA did a story on this last night.

Still a few years away.

PixelPusher
04-23-2008, 10:19 AM
FWIW, my personal stash of bacteria does a fine job producing gas for me.

RandomGuy
04-23-2008, 10:35 AM
You may also want to see this thread:

Bye-Bye Oil Companies... As we know them... (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90771)

I actually heard an interview with this guy. However, Random's statements on efficiency are very wise to consider. I have not yet heard any cost figures or energy ratios. If they don't pan out, the process doesn't have much use except for breaking down waste. At least we could reduce waste and produce fuel.

One can pretty much state that energy=cost. The more energy intensive a process, the more costly it is.

When considering energy sources, one has to consider the return on invested energy, just like one considers the return on invested capital for financial investments.

Middle east oil is very cheap energetically, because it is easy to refine, and easy to get at.

On the other end of the scale is stuff like tar sands or shale, or corn-based ethanol. It requires ONE TON of tar sands to get ONE barrel of oil, must be strip-mined in vast areas, and produces hard to refine sour crude.

It is estimated that corn-based ethanol actually takes MORE energy to make than you get out of using it as a fuel.

Here is an interesting read on the subject. (http://www.abelard.org/briefings/energy-economics.asp)