God damned America!

[Nbadan]

So says, Rev. Wright? Nope...John McCain supporter John Hagee

Hagee: NOLA punished for 'sinful conduct'
Posted April 23, 2008 3:43 PM
by Mark Silva


The Rev. John Hagee, the one who told National Public Radio some time back that Hurricane Katrina was God's way of punishing the city of New Orleans for celebrating homosexuality, was asked again this week if he stands by that judgment.

On the radio, conservative talk show host Dennis Prager asked Hagee about it, and the Center for American Progress is only too happy today to report what Hagee, one of Sen. John McCain's supporters, had to say in response. (McCain has said that he does not agree with everything Hagee stands for, but hasn't renounced his endorsement.)

"What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God,'' Hagee told Prager. "In time, if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become, it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it's called a curse.''

A gay pride parade had been planned in the city, Hagee explained. "In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.''

But, Prager asked, "In the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?

"That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct,'' said Hagee. "Yes.''

Prager apparently never asked why the coasts of Louisiana and Mississippi got blasted in the bargain. And Hagee didn't explain.

Link (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/hagee_nola_punished_for_sinful.html)

I wonder if the M$M will latch on to these Hagee comments with the same intensity they latched onto the politically-spun Wright comments....though I won't hold my breath...

[JoeChalupa]

But was he wearing a US Flag pin?

[RandomGuy]

So says, Rev. Wright? Nope...John McCain supporter John Hagee

Hagee: NOLA punished for 'sinful conduct'
Posted April 23, 2008 3:43 PM
by Mark Silva



Link (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/hagee_nola_punished_for_sinful.html)

I wonder if the M$M will latch on to these Hagee comments with the same intensity they latched onto the politically-spun Wright comments....though I won't hold my breath...

Maybe if we got a continuous loop of it on youtube for hotlinking...

[RandomGuy]

...followed up by spam mails ad nauseum to the dumbest, most gullible people we can find...

[Don Quixote]

Umm ... hate to bust the hate-fest, but Hagee does not = Wright. While they have both criticized America at times, the similarity ends there.

Some points to consider ....

First of all, Hagee was speaking in an isolated context about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans, whereas Wright, I understand, speaks generally about America almost every week. In fact, I'll go on record to say that he (Hagee) put his foot in his mouth, as did a couple of other preachers in the days after the storm. I understand that they repented of what they said, and I'm sure they were sincere. On the other hand, the press is known for taking sound bites and quoting them entirely out of context, as they did with the president of our esteemed seminary in New Orleans, Dr. Chuck Kelley. So we should at least be willing to consider the context of Wright, Hagee, and pretty much anyone.

Second, their ministries differ greatly. Hagee is an evangelical preacher who tends to emphasize prophecy, Israel, and (to his detriment) a prosperity message. I am not a fan of his. To him, America has gone wrong by allowing the family to break down, by allowing Christianity to be out aside in favor of secular humanism, by going along with the gay agenda, and by not fully supporting Israel. I'm not saying I agree with him, but his loyalty to America is unquestioned. So, when he said God was punishing New Orleans, he meant it more in the sense that it allowed sin in its midst, which is a completely different message than what Wright was saying.

Wright's ministry, I understand, is primarily about achieving social and economic equality. Like most liberal ministers, there is much less teaching about sin and the need to repent of it. When sin is brought up, it is equated to being uncompassionate, inequitable, racist, etc. America's sin, to him, is inequality and injustice engendered by racism. Does it exist in America? You bet. Is it the defining characteristic of America? To Wright it is. And so his message is much different than Hagee.

And lastly, McCain is not a 20-year parishioner of Cornerstone Church (Hagee's ministry). In fact, we don't know much about McCain's religion. Wake me up when McCain's pastor and spiritual adviser says something foolish and disloyal.

[clambake]

why not leave the "I believe in the invisible man" people out of it altogether?

[ClingingMars]

not McCain's pastor. not even close. nice try though

Bill Aires is more of a problem anyway.

- Mars

[td4mvp21]

Is this guy friends with Pat Robertson?

[ClingingMars]

Is this guy friends with Pat Robertson?

haha thats what I thought.

- Mars

[smeagol]

Not even close.

Keep playing Dan.

[xrayzebra]

not McCain's pastor. not even close. nice try though

Bill Aires is more of a problem anyway.

- Mars


Not really Ayers is like a badge on Obama's chest. He is
an asset. I mean like he really does support the Socialist
and hates anything American. What more could people
like boutons ask for.

[boutons_]

McFlopPander's war injuries, advancd age, physical decrepitude don't appear to prevent him from getting on his belly and pandering to the "religious" radicals like Hagee, Parsely, Roberson who control the Repug party.

And another totally irrelevant side issue. I expect the MSM corps not to run with this kind of stuff on their candidate McFlopPander.

[1369]

McFlopPander's war injuries, advancd age, physical decrepitude don't appear to prevent him from getting on his belly and pandering to the "religious" radicals like Hagee, Parsely, Roberson who control the Repug party.

And another totally irrelevant side issue. I expect the MSM corps not to run with this kind of stuff on their candidate McFlopPander.

Wait Boutons, I thought it was the oil companies controlled the Republican party.

Damn, I need to update my scorecard...

[Nbadan]

Not even close.

Keep playing Dan.

Your right, because Obama has denounced Wright comments, even though they were taken out of context by the lazy M$M, while still calling Wright his friend, meanwhile, McCain has neither denounced nor distanced himself from Hagee or his remarks about the U.S. and Christians...but keep up the double standards...

[ClingingMars]

McFlopPander's war injuries, advancd age, physical decrepitude don't appear to prevent him from getting on his belly and pandering to the "religious" radicals like Hagee, Parsely, Roberson who control the Repug party.

And another totally irrelevant side issue. I expect the MSM corps not to run with this kind of stuff on their candidate McFlopPander.

Robertson has lost all respect for me, and I think other people are beginning to feel the same. He seems to keep doing whatever is politically expedient, and not sticking to his guns.

- Mars

[ClingingMars]

Your right, because Obama has denounced Wright comments, even though they were taken out of context by the lazy M$M, while still calling Wright his friend, meanwhile, McCain has neither denounced nor distanced himself from Hagee or his remarks about the U.S. and Christians...but keep up the double standards...

TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT?

GOD DAMN AMERICA? THE US OF KKK? AMERICA INVENTED HIV/AIDS! These DON'T NEED CONTEXT!

Wake THE FUCK UP and realize what HE'S SAYING!

- Mars

[Don Quixote]

Robertson has lost all respect for me, and I think other people are beginning to feel the same. He seems to keep doing whatever is politically expedient, and not sticking to his guns.

- Mars

I've never been a huge fan of Robertson. I'm sure he's a good man, decent enough, but he does have a penchant for saying dumb things at the worst possible time. And he comes off as creepy on camera. I'm also worried that he, like many evangelicals, tends to confuse the institutions of church and state.

That said, his loyalty to America has never been questioned. Ought that not be one of the top qualifications for American public office, so obvious that it need not be listed? That's what bothers me most about Obama's associations -- there is ample reason to question their loyalty. And it's not like Obama has tried that hard to disown these people.

[Nbadan]

TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT?

GOD DAMN AMERICA? THE US OF KKK? AMERICA INVENTED HIV/AIDS! These DON'T NEED CONTEXT!

Wake THE FUCK UP and realize what HE'S SAYING!

- Mars

:rolleyes

...go beyond the M$M sound-bites yourself and listen to Rev. Wright's complete sermon....

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....typical fire and brim-stone, you could say even Hagee-like sermon, but hardly anti-American or racist...

[PEP]

Any of ya'll been to New Orleans before Katrina? I was actually scared the first time I went there.

[Don Quixote]

Any of ya'll been to New Orleans before Katrina? I was actually scared the first time I went there.

It wasn't that bad :lol

[PEP]

It wasn't that bad :lol

The French Quarter/Bourbon Street were nice but the areas around there were a cesspool of hoodlums.

[Extra Stout]

I don't claim Hagee, Robertson, or Parsley as fellow Christians.

[TeyshaBlue]

Your right, because Obama has denounced Wright comments, even though they were taken out of context by the lazy M$M, while still calling Wright his friend, meanwhile, McCain has neither denounced nor distanced himself from Hagee or his remarks about the U.S. and Christians...but keep up the double standards...

Ok...let's.....go......slow......

Hagee is not McCain's friend. Hagee is not McCain's pastor. There's no history between McCain and Hagee while there is one between Wright and Obama.

You are making a very poor comparison between Wright and Hagee. McCain should tell Hagee to take a hike though.

But, both are nutbars....and Hagee is particularly despicable.

[SAGambler]

So says, Rev. Wright? Nope...John McCain supporter John Hagee

Hagee: NOLA punished for 'sinful conduct'
Posted April 23, 2008 3:43 PM
by Mark Silva



Link (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/hagee_nola_punished_for_sinful.html)

I wonder if the M$M will latch on to these Hagee comments with the same intensity they latched onto the politically-spun Wright comments....though I won't hold my breath...

Well, I don't think that McCain is a member of Hagees money maker that passes as a church.

Same can't be said as to Obama and Wright.

Personally I think Hagee is above all a scam artist. But that is another story.

[clambake]

as chumpdumper would say.....It's important!

[Spurminator]

You are making a very poor comparison between Wright and Hagee.

This is what Dan does. He drums up ridiculous "issues" that are either irrelevant or easily refutable, forcing even people who wouldn't normally support McCain, Hillary, etc. to take their side in the argument. I mean, does anyone really think there is any comparison between the Obama/Wright relationship and McCain/Hagee?

Obama denounced Wright's comments. The issue was pretty much dead. Yet here comes Dan every week, indirectly bringing the Wright topic back up with half-assed and ridiculous attempts to equate the the two relationships.

As I've said before, I think Dan is a Republican in disguise. I can't think of any other explanation.

[Nbadan]

How is this a non-issue? McCain is trying to court the televangelist vote and a non-denounciation of Hagee's anti-catholic comments.....


In an interview with George Stephanopoulos yesterday, John McCain reiterated that he was “glad to have” televangelist John Hagee’s endorsement. Yet the ABCNews.com headline reads, “McCain Admits Hagee Endorsement Was A Mistake.”

McCain appears to be trying to have it both ways, assuring the media that it was “probably” a mistake to court Hagee’s support, while maintaining to the base that it was a mistake he’s “glad” he made.

Stephanopoulos. A lot of Senator Obama’s allies and others say that you should condemn the comments of Reverend John Hagee, an evangelical pastor …

McCain. Oh, I do. And I did. I said that any comments he made about the Catholic Church I strongly condemned, of course.

Stephanopoulos. Yet you solicited and accepted his endorsement.

McCain. Yes, indeed, I did. And I condemned the comments that he made concerning the Catholic Church.

Stephanopoulos. Yet you’re going to hold on to his endorsement. Your own campaign acknowledges that you should have done a better job of vetting pastor Hagee …

McCain. Oh, sure.

Stephanopoulos. So was it a mistake to solicit and accept his endorsement?

McCain. Oh, probably. Sure. But I admire and respect Doctor Hagee’s leadership of his church. I admire and appreciate his advocacy for the state of Israel, the independence and freedom of the state of Israel. I condemn remarks that are made that has anything to do—which is condemning of the Catholic Church. …

McCain. I’m glad to have his endorsement. I condemn remarks that are any way viewed as anti-anything. And thanks for asking. (Laughs.)

Right-wing watch (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/individuals/john_hagee/index.html)

Add to this, John Hagee and his pro-Isreal lobby group hold much more sway over Mccain and Congress than Rev. Wright

[Spurminator]

Why do you want to keep on talking about Wright?

[ChumpDumper]

It's important!

[Don Quixote]

As I've said before, I think Dan is a Republican in disguise. I can't think of any other explanation.

He has to be. I can't think of any real liberal thinking like he does. Do they let him around people?

And, yes, the Hagee=Wright argument is very weak. For all Hagee's bad theology and bombastic nature, his loyalty to America is unquestionable. In contrast, look at Obama's best friends!

[ChumpDumper]

What country is Wright loyal to?

Iran?

It's important!

[xrayzebra]

What country is Wright loyal to?

Iran?

It's important!

Taken from Trinity United Church of Christ statement of
Faith.

Make of it what you want.

...............
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

[clambake]

Taken from Trinity United Church of Christ statement of
Faith.

Make of it what you want.

...............
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

how dare them!

[ChumpDumper]

Taken from Trinity United Church of Christ statement of
Faith.

Make of it what you want.

...............
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

There's not much to make of this at all.

Except that it's important!

[clambake]

we should charge them for the boat trip over.

[xrayzebra]

Wonder what they mean by "true to our native land"?

[ChumpDumper]

It means Obama will give up all our state secrets to Kenya.

[smeagol]

It means Obama will give up all our state secrets to Kenya.


And Botswana :lol