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duncan228
04-25-2008, 11:37 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Suns-080425

Suns losing at own game, now racing against elimination
By J.A. Adande

Phoenix acquired Shaq to be a difference-maker in the playoffs. Mission accomplished? Not exactly.

The Phoenix Suns once again are running at the fastest pace in the league; less than a week into the playoffs and they've already arrived at their day of reckoning. Three games in is awfully quick for a team with championship aspirations to find its survival at stake, but let's be real: Down 2-0 in the series, if the Suns don't beat the San Antonio Spurs tonight, Phoenix's elimination becomes a matter of when, not if.

The Suns attempted to remake themselves into the ultimate hybrid: the size of an SUV, but still quick off the line -- and fuel efficient, too. But sometimes when you try to be everything, it turns you into nothing. In the cauldron of a road playoff game, with the Spurs applying the heat, the Suns could rely on … what?

Shaquille O'Neal in the low post? Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire in the pick-and-roll? Leandro Barbosa's speed? The threat of the 3-point shot? None of those things define the Suns. This group hasn't been together long enough or fought enough battles alongside each other to forge an identity.

The Spurs are beating Phoenix in the way Phoenix used to win. Even in their six-game defeat in last year's playoffs, the Suns outshot the Spurs 42 percent to 36 percent from behind the arc. So far this series, the Spurs have the edge, 36 percent to 31 percent. And in the ultimate indignity, the Spurs outscored the Suns 23-4 in fastbreak points in Game 2.

When they were strictly known as the running Suns, they did manage to impose their will on teams in the playoffs more often than people expected. That's because they had Their Way, a plan, and they were committed to following it.

The Suns' entire approach was to win with volume and accuracy. It didn't matter if the opponent scored. The faster they scored, the faster the Suns could get off shots of their own. The Suns would shoot at a higher percentage and make more 3-pointers than their foes, and that was all they cared about.

Now it's the Spurs who have the edge in overall field goal percentage in this series. That's because the Spurs are getting exactly what they want, especially when they lock O'Neal into pick-and-roll defense. He isn't jumping out at the ball handler -- usually Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker -- so they have all the time they want to shoot, drive or even pause to send a text message if they'd like.

The Spurs have changed this season, too. But it's been a gradual transition, one that unfolded over the course of this year. In crunch time, they no longer run everything through Tim Duncan. They put the ball in Ginobili's hands and let him create.

The Suns were forced to adjust on the fly, with O'Neal joining their lineup right after the All-Star break. There hasn't been enough time for them to find a comfort zone. There's no established direction on this team. In the late stages of Game 1, they threw the ball in to O'Neal but -- perhaps wary of picking up his sixth personal foul -- he quickly passed it, without making a move or waiting to see if the double-team came over. When he had it late in Game 2, he held it … while the rest of the Suns stood around and watched. Nash has looked hesitant as well, unsure whether he should shoot or distribute. Stoudemire went from a 25-point first half to an eight-point second half in Game 2, while Barbosa never did anything at all, missing all seven of his shots.

The Suns figure to get a few more breaks, have a little more energy and confidence now that they're back home for Games 3 and 4. Perhaps they'll be able to sustain the play that got them 14-point leads in the first half of both of the games in San Antonio.

Only 12 NBA teams have ever come back from a 2-0 deficit to win a best-of-seven series. The good news for the Suns: O'Neal played for two of the past six teams that did it (the Miami Heat against the Dallas Mavericks in the 2006 NBA Finals and the Los Angeles Lakers against the Spurs in the 2004 Western Conference semis). And should the Suns fall behind 3-1, all they have to do is look through the playoff history pages of their own media guide to find the last team to overcome that deficit: They did it against the Lakers in the first round of the 2006 playoffs.

Only four regulars from that team are still on the squad: Nash, Barbosa, Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. That's a reminder of the constant change in the NBA, the continuous shifting of rosters even at the normal pace. Then came the drastic jolt this season, when the Suns sent Shawn Marion to Miami for O'Neal.

And now the Suns' outlook has changed as well. They started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers. Now they're hoping to be like the Wizards, Rockets and Raptors, getting a win in Game 3 to extend the series after dropping the first two games.

Teams never like it when they get beaten at their own game. After four years of pushing the tempo, the Suns have never felt so uncomfortable with an accelerated pace.

jman3000
04-25-2008, 11:43 AM
manu's been our crunch time guy for about 3 years now.

wijayas
04-25-2008, 11:46 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Suns-080425

Now it's the Spurs who have the edge in overall field goal percentage in this series. That's because the Spurs are getting exactly what they want, especially when they lock O'Neal into pick-and-roll defense. He isn't jumping out at the ball handler -- usually Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker -- so they have all the time they want to shoot, drive or even pause to send a text message if they'd like. :lmao

honestfool84
04-25-2008, 12:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Suns-080425


By J.A. Adande
ESPN.com


The Phoenix Suns once again are running at the fastest pace in the league; less than a week into the playoffs and they've already arrived at their day of reckoning. Three games in is awfully quick for a team with championship aspirations to find its survival at stake, but let's be real: Down 2-0 in the series, if the Suns don't beat the San Antonio Spurs tonight, Phoenix's elimination becomes a matter of when, not if.

The Suns attempted to remake themselves into the ultimate hybrid: the size of an SUV, but still quick off the line -- and fuel efficient, too. But sometimes when you try to be everything, it turns you into nothing. In the cauldron of a road playoff game, with the Spurs applying the heat, the Suns could rely on … what?

Shaquille O'Neal in the low post? Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire in the pick-and-roll? Leandro Barbosa's speed? The threat of the 3-point shot? None of those things define the Suns. This group hasn't been together long enough or fought enough battles alongside each other to forge an identity.

The Spurs are beating Phoenix in the way Phoenix used to win. Even in their six-game defeat in last year's playoffs, the Suns outshot the Spurs 42 percent to 36 percent from behind the arc. So far this series, the Spurs have the edge, 36 percent to 31 percent. And in the ultimate indignity, the Spurs outscored the Suns 23-4 in fastbreak points in Game 2.

When they were strictly known as the running Suns, they did manage to impose their will on teams in the playoffs more often than people expected. That's because they had Their Way, a plan, and they were committed to following it.

The Suns' entire approach was to win with volume and accuracy. It didn't matter if the opponent scored. The faster they scored, the faster the Suns could get off shots of their own. The Suns would shoot at a higher percentage and make more 3-pointers than their foes, and that was all they cared about.

Now it's the Spurs who have the edge in overall field goal percentage in this series. That's because the Spurs are getting exactly what they want, especially when they lock O'Neal into pick-and-roll defense. He isn't jumping out at the ball handler -- usually Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker -- so they have all the time they want to shoot, drive or even pause to send a text message if they'd like.

The Spurs have changed this season, too. But it's been a gradual transition, one that unfolded over the course of this year. In crunch time, they no longer run everything through Tim Duncan. They put the ball in Ginobili's hands and let him create.

The Suns were forced to adjust on the fly, with O'Neal joining their lineup right after the All-Star break. There hasn't been enough time for them to find a comfort zone. There's no established direction on this team. In the late stages of Game 1, they threw the ball in to O'Neal but -- perhaps wary of picking up his sixth personal foul -- he quickly passed it, without making a move or waiting to see if the double-team came over. When he had it late in Game 2, he held it … while the rest of the Suns stood around and watched. Nash has looked hesitant as well, unsure whether he should shoot or distribute. Stoudemire went from a 25-point first half to an eight-point second half in Game 2, while Barbosa never did anything at all, missing all seven of his shots.

The Suns figure to get a few more breaks, have a little more energy and confidence now that they're back home for Games 3 and 4. Perhaps they'll be able to sustain the play that got them double-digit leads in the first half of both of the games in San Antonio.

Only 12 NBA teams have ever come back from a 2-0 deficit to win a best-of-seven series. The good news for the Suns: O'Neal played for two of the past six teams that did it (the Miami Heat against the Dallas Mavericks in the 2006 NBA Finals and the Los Angeles Lakers against the Spurs in the 2004 Western Conference semis). And should the Suns fall behind 3-1, all they have to do is look through the playoff history pages of their own media guide to find the last team to overcome that deficit: They did it against the Lakers in the first round of the 2006 playoffs.

Only four regulars from that team are still on the squad: Nash, Barbosa, Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. That's a reminder of the constant change in the NBA, the continuous shifting of rosters even at the normal pace. Then came the drastic jolt this season, when the Suns sent Shawn Marion to Miami for O'Neal.

And now the Suns' outlook has changed as well. They started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers. Now they're hoping to be like the Wizards, Rockets and Raptors, getting a win in Game 3 to extend the series after dropping the first two games.

Teams never like it when they get beaten at their own game. After four years of pushing the tempo, the Suns have never felt so uncomfortable with an accelerated pace.


i finally beat duncan228 to a post! :lol

Bulwark
04-25-2008, 12:57 PM
They started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers. What? The Spurs aren't contenders?

tmtcsc
04-25-2008, 01:08 PM
"The Spurs have changed this season, too. But it's been a gradual transition, one that unfolded over the course of this year. In crunch time, they no longer run everything through Tim Duncan. They put the ball in Ginobili's hands and let him create."

You gotta being kidding me. Manu's been doing this for the last 3 or 4 years. Get a clue.

Bulwark
04-25-2008, 01:11 PM
And now the Suns' outlook has changed as well. They started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers. What? The Spurs aren't contenders? Adande never gives props to the Spurs.

duncan228
04-25-2008, 01:25 PM
i finally beat duncan228 to a post! :lol

Sorry. :lol I didn't know it was a race.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93057

Bulwark
04-25-2008, 01:28 PM
J.A. Is on chat today at 2 PM CST. I posted this question:

J.A., I Read your article today (Suns Losing At Own Game, Now Racing Against Elimination) and you made some good points. However, you lost me when you said "They (Suns) started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers." I guess the Spurs aren't in this class either?

Most likely my question/comment won't be chosen. I am sure it doesn't give a darn.

WildcardManu
04-25-2008, 01:28 PM
What? The Spurs aren't contenders?

Just replace the flavor of the season (Celtics) with the Spurs.

Cry Havoc
04-25-2008, 01:56 PM
What? The Spurs aren't contenders?

No. They're the defending champs. The title defenders aren't usually thought of as a contender, but rather someone to be unseated. It's akin to boxing -- you have to knock the Champ out, and until then he's still the Champ. There hasn't been a time that we weren't the Champs from last season, so to be contenders again, we'd have to lose this year.

Cry Havoc
04-25-2008, 01:57 PM
J.A. Is on chat today at 2 PM CST. I posted this question:

J.A., I Read your article today (Suns Losing At Own Game, Now Racing Against Elimination) and you made some good points. However, you lost me when you said "They (Suns) started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers." I guess the Spurs aren't in this class either?

Most likely my question/comment won't be chosen. I am sure it doesn't give a darn.

x-posted:

No. They're the defending champs. The title defenders aren't usually thought of as a contender, but rather someone to be unseated. It's akin to boxing -- you have to knock the Champ out, and until then he's still the Champ. There hasn't been a time that we weren't the Champs from last season, so to be contenders again, we'd have to lose this year.

Bulwark
04-25-2008, 02:06 PM
Point taken Cry Havoc. But I am not sure that's way J.A. understands it and wanted some clarification. There is obviously a media bias against the Spurs. Oh well, they'll just keep winning.

FromWayDowntown
04-25-2008, 02:07 PM
No. They're the defending champs. The title defenders aren't usually thought of as a contender, but rather someone to be unseated. It's akin to boxing -- you have to knock the Champ out, and until then he's still the Champ. There hasn't been a time that we weren't the Champs from last season, so to be contenders again, we'd have to lose this year.

I don't buy that. The title defenders are equally title contenders, since every year there is a new competition for the title and each team with a great shot at winning that competition is deemed a title contender, even if that team is the title defender. I don't think the Lakers of the early 00's were excluded from discussions of title contenders in those years just because they were the defending champions.

Adande might have excluded the Spurs from his list because it's obvious that they are title contenders, but I don't buy an explanation as nuanced as the distinction between contender and defender.

Bulwark
04-25-2008, 02:10 PM
J.A. Is on chat today at 2 PM CST. I posted this question:

J.A., I Read your article today (Suns Losing At Own Game, Now Racing Against Elimination) and you made some good points. However, you lost me when you said "They (Suns) started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers." I guess the Spurs aren't in this class either?

Most likely my question/comment won't be chosen. I am sure it doesn't give a darn.

John M. Houston, TX: J.A., I Read your article today (Suns Losing At Own Game, Now Racing Against Elimination) and you made some good points. However, you lost me when you said "They (Suns) started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers." I guess the Spurs aren't in this class either?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif J.A. Adande: (3:09 PM ET ) Just an accidental oversight on my part. Lack of sleep. Of course the Spurs are in the championship-contender class. After all, they're the champions.

honestfool84
04-25-2008, 02:22 PM
Sorry. :lol I didn't know it was a race.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93057


it wasn't a race.
it just feels good, considering you're so good at it :lol :lol

and how did you do this?
i posted mine before you!
:p

duncan228
04-25-2008, 02:29 PM
it wasn't a race.
it just feels good, considering you're so good at it :lol :lol

and how did you do this?
i posted mine before you!
:p

I'm not sure I understand your question. How did I do what?

According to the times on the posts, mine was 9:37, yours was 10:12. They were merged a little while ago.

As far as my getting articles on the board, I have the time to do it so I post what I think (hope) the board will like as I find them.

honestfool84
04-25-2008, 02:34 PM
I'm not sure I understand your question. How did I do what?

According to the times on the posts, mine was 9:37, yours was 10:12. They were merged a little while ago.

As far as my getting articles on the board, I have the time to do it so I post what I think (hope) the board will like as I find them.


oh.
haha.
i could have sworn you hadn't posted it yet.

but its all good.
im just teasing you about posting first.
its no big deal.




PS - thanks for all you do, all the story postings!

G-Nob
04-25-2008, 04:02 PM
Is this new spurstalk love connection?

WildcardManu
04-25-2008, 04:15 PM
John M. Houston, TX: J.A., I Read your article today (Suns Losing At Own Game, Now Racing Against Elimination) and you made some good points. However, you lost me when you said "They (Suns) started the playoffs thinking of themselves as championship contenders, in the same class as the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers." I guess the Spurs aren't in this class either?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif J.A. Adande: (3:09 PM ET ) Just an accidental oversight on my part. Lack of sleep. Of course the Spurs are in the championship-contender class. After all, they're the champions.

Just saw your question as i was scrolling through the his ESPN chat. :toast

Bulwark
04-25-2008, 04:30 PM
Just saw your question as i was scrolling through the his ESPN chat. :toast Yeah, I also asked him if he had changed his prediction from Suns in 6. No answer on that one.

WalterBenitez
04-25-2008, 05:13 PM
"The Spurs have changed this season, too. But it's been a gradual transition, one that unfolded over the course of this year. In crunch time, they no longer run everything through Tim Duncan. They put the ball in Ginobili's hands and let him create."

You gotta being kidding me. Manu's been doing this for the last 3 or 4 years. Get a clue.

:sleep You know, media doesn't pay attention to boring, dirty and floppy team :sleep