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female sports fan
04-25-2008, 12:54 PM
Even as Hillary Clinton trails Barack Obama in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and number of states won, she has made it clear that she plans to stay in the race for the nomination. All of which brings me to this logical conclusion: It is time for Barack Obama to drop out.

If Clinton had the good of the Democratic Party in mind, she would have given up her bid the day after the Mississippi primary, which Obama won by 25 points. The delegate math was as dismal for her campaign then as it is now, even after Pennsylvania, and she was facing down a six-week gulf before the next election.

But Hillary Clinton isn’t going to drop out. There simply isn’t a function in her assembly code for throwing in the towel.

Obama, on the other hand, is fully capable of it. And if he’s really serious about representing a new kind of politics, now is the time for him to prove it in the only meaningful way left. Moreover, were he to play it right, dropping out now nearly guarantees that he’ll be elected president in 2012. Here’s the roadmap:

Obama drops out next week, stating that although he could almost certainly win the nomination by fighting it out until the convention in August, he is simply not willing to drag the party through a battle that will cripple its chances against John McCain. He then pledges to help support Sen. Clinton in her bid—with full knowledge that she will not take him up on the offer.

In one stroke, Obama will regain his messiah creds by making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the party. His followers will be furious. The mere mention of Clinton’s name will provoke unspeakable acts. They will abandon Clinton in numbers sufficient to hand McCain the election in November.

Losing the presidency again after eight years of Bush will ruin the Democratic Party. It will become obvious that Clinton’s decision to stay in the race was the turning point in the election. The base will turn its wrath on party leaders like Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, who failed to push Clinton out. Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him.

McCain will be eminently more beatable in 2012. Demographics will continue to shift in Obama’s favor as his 14- to 17-year-old supporters come of voting age. Anyone foolish enough to challenge Obama for the nomination—and don’t rule out Clinton—will go nowhere. Obama’s utopian vision for a Democratic party unified around him will be complete. QED.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/04/24/drop-out-obama.aspx?GT1=38001

ChumpDumper
04-25-2008, 12:59 PM
It would be better for Obama to lose a brokered convention. He's to green to survive a general election and could greatly benefit from some Al Gore-esque injustice mojo in the future should he run again when he's better prepared.

Don Quixote
04-25-2008, 01:09 PM
Yeah ... losing the election did wonders for Al Gore. He only flipped his lid! Then again ... he's made alot of $$.

Actually, it's too late for Obama to drop out. IF he were to, say, quit, for the good of the Party, there will be alot of Democratic voters with no one to vote for. They want change, they embrace the future (and stuff), and they hate Hillary. They'll write in Barack before pulling that lever for Hillary. And besides, the Obamaniacs would only naturally assume that Clinton, Inc., was behind his quitting, and then look out Denver.

There will be blood either way.

ChumpDumper
04-25-2008, 01:11 PM
Yeah ... losing the election did wonders for Al Gore. He only flipped his lid! Then again ... he's made alot of $$.Had he chosen to run, he would have annihilated any candidate from either party.

Don Quixote
04-25-2008, 01:18 PM
Hmm, im retrospect, he might have. Bush was beatable, and Kerry turned out to be a poor candidate.

On the other hand, I'm not sure Gore would have had the support in 04.

ChumpDumper
04-25-2008, 01:21 PM
I'm talking about 08. 04? Never really considered it.

Spurminator
04-25-2008, 01:28 PM
I don't know, I think the global warming/carbon credit ties would have been too polarizing for Gore.

GaryJohnston
04-25-2008, 03:04 PM
Even as Hillary Clinton trails Barack Obama in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and number of states won, she has made it clear that she plans to stay in the race for the nomination. All of which brings me to this logical conclusion: It is time for Barack Obama to drop out.

If Clinton had the good of the Democratic Party in mind, she would have given up her bid the day after the Mississippi primary, which Obama won by 25 points. The delegate math was as dismal for her campaign then as it is now, even after Pennsylvania, and she was facing down a six-week gulf before the next election.

But Hillary Clinton isn’t going to drop out. There simply isn’t a function in her assembly code for throwing in the towel.

Obama, on the other hand, is fully capable of it. And if he’s really serious about representing a new kind of politics, now is the time for him to prove it in the only meaningful way left. Moreover, were he to play it right, dropping out now nearly guarantees that he’ll be elected president in 2012. Here’s the roadmap:

Obama drops out next week, stating that although he could almost certainly win the nomination by fighting it out until the convention in August, he is simply not willing to drag the party through a battle that will cripple its chances against John McCain. He then pledges to help support Sen. Clinton in her bid—with full knowledge that she will not take him up on the offer.

In one stroke, Obama will regain his messiah creds by making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the party. His followers will be furious. The mere mention of Clinton’s name will provoke unspeakable acts. They will abandon Clinton in numbers sufficient to hand McCain the election in November.

Losing the presidency again after eight years of Bush will ruin the Democratic Party. It will become obvious that Clinton’s decision to stay in the race was the turning point in the election. The base will turn its wrath on party leaders like Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, who failed to push Clinton out. Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him.

McCain will be eminently more beatable in 2012. Demographics will continue to shift in Obama’s favor as his 14- to 17-year-old supporters come of voting age. Anyone foolish enough to challenge Obama for the nomination—and don’t rule out Clinton—will go nowhere. Obama’s utopian vision for a Democratic party unified around him will be complete. QED.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/04/24/drop-out-obama.aspx?GT1=38001


That was a stupid article and argument.

Hillary is destroying the democratic party by not dropping out herself.

TheProfessor
04-25-2008, 03:12 PM
That was a stupid article and argument.

Hillary is destroying the democratic party by not dropping out herself.
It amuses me that people don't see she's doing it on purpose. The Democrats are truly the Party of Futility. And I'm fairly liberal.

xrayzebra
04-25-2008, 03:41 PM
I think they both should stay in till the very end. Let the
convention do as Hillary said it should do: Really, really make
the selection of who is to represent the party during the
November general election. Not just rubber stamp a nominee.

MannyIsGod
04-25-2008, 03:58 PM
:lol @ Obama dropping out.

Viva Las Espuelas
04-26-2008, 02:27 AM
seriously. if a candidate isn't decided by the convention then i predict late 60's racial tension running rampant in this country. pretty much, at this point we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. i wish both of these candidates would just disappear, but i guess i'll follow the trend and blame bush for that. there............ i feel "changed".
anyhow. there will be blood in denver. this country WILL be divided. i wish people could see that.

ChumpDumper
04-26-2008, 02:59 AM
seriously. if a candidate isn't decided by the convention then i predict late 60's racial tension running rampant in this country. pretty much, at this point we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. i wish both of these candidates would just disappear, but i guess i'll follow the trend and blame bush for that. there............ i feel "changed".
anyhow. there will be blood in denver. this country WILL be divided. i wish people could see that.I don't think people give THAT much of a shit.

It will be a mess though, and McCain will be the beneficiary.