What's Kobe got that Tony doesn't?

[whottt]

I say nothing.

Discuss....

[DannyT]

not a finals MVP

[PlayoffEx-static]

Size and strength.

[Xylus]

A reliable 3-point shot.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Rape allegations?

[dbreiden83080]

Teammates that hate his guts.

[ancestron]

3 rings

oh wait...nm

[dg7md]

More reliable jump shooting, strength and height.

[td4mvp21]

Rape allegations?

:lol

[missmyzte]

Keep it basketball-related... seriously.
Here's one thing: Kobe is the focal point of the offense and the focus of the other team's defense. TP has Duncan and Ginobili, the Lakers live or die by Kobe.

[whottt]

the Lakers die by Kobe.


Fixed ;)


Kobe played a great role in creating the situation that lead to his team living and dying by his hand alone. Tony never even considered that...I consider that a positive in the favor of Parker, not Kobe.

[balli]

He's got court vision. The team starts with him.

[Xylus]

What does Tony have that Kobe doesn't?

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.

[polandprzem]

He's got court vision. The team starts with him.

Not great that court vision IMO.


Kobe a better defender and the main focus for other teams


Superthread

[DazedAndConfused]

Must be something in the water over there in San Antonio

[balli]

Rape allegations?

Exactly. Allegations. Made by a girl who showed up for her sexual abuse exam with traces of six different dudes in her guts.

[balli]

What does Tony have that Kobe doesn't?

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.

:lol

[whottt]

What does Tony have that Kobe doesn't?

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.


No...that's what Tim Duncan has that Shaq didn't.


Let's do some math real quick

Shaq = 4
Duncan = 4
Kobe = 3

4=4>3

[Xylus]

No...that's what Tim Duncan has that Shaq didn't.

You just confuzzled me brain, mate.

[balli]

This thread is entertaining, but it's ridiculous btw. I thought it was bad when someone made that thread about how Deron and Paul couldn't hold Tony's jock strap last night. (Ridiculous enough that Kori or a mod deleted the entire thread after about five minutes anyway). But this? Like I said, it's funny and entertaining, but you can't even begin to seriously compare Tony Parker to Kobe.

[td4mvp21]

I think it's tongue-in-cheek.

[Sigz]

A bitch ass attitude.

"trade me, cuz we suck."


"No, don't trade me anymore.. we are pretty good."

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

TP has class...... Kobe doesn't.

[whottt]

There's nothing ridiculous about it...Kobe has the same amount of rings as Tony...

I know you guys want to pretend he was leading a band of no-names to 3 rings...but truthfully, that was not the case.

[balli]

I think it's tongue-in-cheek.

I know that about whott, but then again, the way people around here suck TP off, you never know about everyone. Like I said, that whole Deron, Paul, Tony thread last night just blew my mind before it was deleted.

[BonnerDynasty]

lol @ this thread.

[whottt]

Oh...and for all you Lakerfans that think something special is about to happen...

Two words:

Bruce Bowen


Remember...you guys are the one saying live and die...not I.

[balli]

Two words:

Bruce Bowen


So we should be expecting something like this?
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/15/xin_420102150950179109648.jpg

[td4mvp21]

I know that about whott, but then again, the way people around here suck TP off, you never know about everyone. Like I said, that whole Deron, Paul, Tony thread last night just blew my mind before it was deleted.

Well Parker is really, really good. And I think he's underrated by a lot of fans, the media, and analysts in general-that's with a 2007 Finals MVP under his belt. When you hear talk about top point guards in the league, you hardly ever hear Parker's name, and I think he is a top 5. However, he's behind 4 other great ones (Nash, Paul, Deron, and Kidd-in no particular order).

[balli]

Well Parker is really, really good. And I think he's underrated by a lot of fans, the media, and analysts in general-that's with a 2007 Finals MVP under his belt. When you hear talk about top point guards in the league, you hardly ever hear Parker's name, and I think he is a top 5. However, he's behind 4 other great ones (Nash, Paul, Deron, and Kidd-in no particular order).


Yeah. I didn't mean to sound like I was bashing him. Tony's pretty f'ing legit.

[CosmicCowboy]

Uhhh...Parker is really really good, but don't let this series go to your head...Put Steve Nash guarding Kobe one on one with no double teams like we have seen the last 3 games with Parker and they might have to put 4 digits on the scoreboard. You may hate Kobe but he is incredibly talented.

[1Parker1]

Well Parker is really, really good. And I think he's underrated by a lot of fans, the media, and analysts in general-that's with a 2007 Finals MVP under his belt. When you hear talk about top point guards in the league, you hardly ever hear Parker's name, and I think he is a top 5. However, he's behind 4 other great ones (Nash, Paul, Deron, and Kidd-in no particular order).

You think Kidd better than Parker as the top PG in the league? I bet Cuban would trade Kidd for Parker in a heartbeat. And I know Nash is a great PG, but you do realize Parker is absolutely owning him in this series right? And Parker has owned Nash every postseason they've matched up. He's part of the reason the Suns can't get past the Spurs.

[Warlord23]

The only similarity is that both have won 3 rings as the second weapon. However, what Parker did to the Suns yesterday was in part due to Phoenix's defensive shortcomings. Don't be surprised if Parker doesn't average 30 a game against a CP3 or Deron.

Kobe on the other hand can drop 50 on almost any opponent in the league. Yes he lacks consistency, but the sheer talent is sometimes overwhelming. Parker conforms more to the system and gets his shots within the offense and therefore cannot take over games against tougher opposition (he doesn't need to, but he wouldn't be able to do that consistently if demanded).

[Borosai]

Exactly. Allegations. Made by a girl who showed up for her sexual abuse exam with traces of six different dudes in her guts.

That's hot.

[romad_20]

Well Parker is really, really good. And I think he's underrated by a lot of fans, the media, and analysts in general-that's with a 2007 Finals MVP under his belt. When you hear talk about top point guards in the league, you hardly ever hear Parker's name, and I think he is a top 5. However, he's behind 4 other great ones (Nash, Paul, Deron, and Kidd-in no particular order).


He is ahead of Kidd right now. He has a much more realible jumper and is a one man fast break. No one is faster on the dribble right now than Tony. Maybe close to him, but not faster.

[td4mvp21]

You think Kidd better than Parker as the top PG in the league? I bet Cuban would trade Kidd for Parker in a heartbeat. And I know Nash is a great PG, but you do realize Parker is absolutely owning him in this series right? And Parker has owned Nash every postseason they've matched up. He's part of the reason the Suns can't get past the Spurs.

Now that you really ask, I'm not sure. The biased fan in me says yes, but I'm hoping that bias isn't overriding the facts.

[Kori Ellis]

You can't really compare Kobe to Tony. The size difference. Kobe's a more consistent shooter from 3/long range 2's. Kobe is the focal point of their offense. Tony is fortunate enough to have Tim/Manu.

I think Tony is damn good though.

Let's compare Tony to Nash at 25 years old.

:wow Nash - 7.9 points, 5.5 assists, 31.7 mpg, 36.3% FG (the next year Nash was over 47% though).

[balli]

You think Kidd better than Parker as the top PG in the league? I bet Cuban would trade Kidd for Parker in a heartbeat. And I know Nash is a great PG, but you do realize Parker is absolutely owning him in this series right? And Parker has owned Nash every postseason they've matched up. He's part of the reason the Suns can't get past the Spurs.

Better than Kidd. Probably a push with Nash becasue his D sucks so bad, but their offensive games are so different that it's like comparing apples and oranges. No comparison to Paul & Deron.

[1Parker1]

How's this question; Is Ginobili the 2nd best shooting guard in the West behind Kobe? How about in the league? That makes more sense to compare....

[balli]

:wow Nash - 7.9 points, 5.5 assists, 31.7 ppg, 36.3% FG (the next year Nash was over 47% though).

WTF? I had no idea Nash ever averaged 30+ ppg. Is that correct?

[td4mvp21]

WTF? I had no idea Nash ever averaged 30+ ppg. Is that correct?

I think that was a typo because she put 7.9 points before she typed 31 ppg.

[ForeignFan]

I think he is amonf the top 5 PG, but I only see CPaul and DWilliams above him, not Nash or Kidd anymore.
We will see how things go on if Spurs face NO.

[balli]

How's this question; Is Ginobili the 2nd best shooting guard in the West behind Kobe? How about in the league? That makes more sense to compare....


I think he's better than T-Mac.

[shelshor]

Kobe has a better PR agent and bigger and more endorsement deals

[Kori Ellis]

WTF? I had no idea Nash ever averaged 30+ ppg. Is that correct?

LOL it's mpg.

[balli]

I think that was a typo because she put 7.9 points before she typed 31 ppg.

Yeah, for a second there I thought I had lost a year of my life.

[romad_20]

Better than Kidd. Probably a push with Nash becasue his D sucks so bad, but their offensive games are so different that it's like comparing apples and oranges. No comparison to Paul & Deron.

I think Parker has more composure than those two, right now. Paul & Deron are great and probably fit into the traditional PG mold more. Also, Parker is badass with both hands around the rim, I would say better than both of them.

[ClingingMars]

TP has class...... Kobe doesn't.

[whottt]

I'll tell you what Tony's got that Kobe doesn't...a great relationship with his HOF All Time Great Bigman.


I'll tell you something else Tony's got that Kobe doesn't...a marquee playoff asswhupping of every great PG that he has ever faced in the post season in the course of a championship run(excluding Stephon Marbury of course)...

Kobe doesn't have that...he got owned by Rip Hamilton in the finals a couple of years ago for a championship. Flat out..OWNT.

[Kori Ellis]

Clinging Mars - Your signature is fucking up the system for some reason. Did you change it today?

[balli]

Also, Parker is badass with both hands around the rim, I would say better than both of them.

Yeah he's a better finisher for sure. Probably just a better scorer in general. His passing and ability to break down the defense for his teamates doesn't even come close though.

[whottt]

Clinging Mars - Your signature is fucking up the system for some reason. Did you change it today?


The miniscroll must die...along with big sigs.

[balli]

I don't get the appeal of having a large sig to begin with. Is there really that much of the same thing that you want to say to people every time you make a post? Keep it simple yo.

[whottt]

I don't get the appeal of having a large sig to begin with. Is there really that much of the same thing that you want to say to people every time you make a post? Keep it simple yo.


I don't get it either...

[romad_20]

Yeah he's a better finisher for sure. Probably just a better scorer in general. His passing and ability to break down the defense for his teamates doesn't even come close though.

True, I don't think he ever will be that type of guard. Maybe when he starts to slow down he'll look to create more. This system just doesn't need it though. Drive and kick or finish, P&R and throw into the post is what he needs to do to win and that's all that matters. He's top 3 in the west, probably the league.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

...he got owned by Rip Hamilton in the finals a couple of years ago for a championship. Flat out..OWNT.

Actually, it seemed to be more of a case that he was bound and determined to be Finals MVP that year and wound up shooting them right out of the series.
Keeping that in mind, to answer your question...........
.........a HUGE, out of control ego!

[PlayoffEx-static]

What does Tony have that Kobe doesn't?

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.

He also is WAY, WAY quicker than Kobes. Tony is Iverson in his prime quick, minus the horrible chucker shot selection.

[PlayoffEx-static]

The only similarity is that both have won 3 rings as the second weapon. However, what Parker did to the Suns yesterday was in part due to Phoenix's defensive shortcomings. Don't be surprised if Parker doesn't average 30 a game against a CP3 or Deron.

CP3's defense reminds me of Nash. Tony might well hang 30 a game on the Hornets.

[DazedAndConfused]

LOL Parker has a few good games and now he's better than Kobe? Where were you guys when he was sucking major cock the last 3-4 months? I distinctly remember a CP3 >>>> Parker thread on here.

[BiZNicK]

lock-down defense..?
dunking skills...?

[J_Paco]

LOL Parker has a few good games and now he's better than Kobe? Where were you guys when he was sucking major cock the last 3-4 months? I distinctly remember a CP3 >>>> Parker thread on here.

Um, Tony had been battling heel/ankle problems throughout the regular season. I don't know exactly what the numbers were, but he was headed to another career best season in points, assists, turnovers and assist-to-turnover ratio prior to the injuries.

Of course, he's not a better individual player/talent than Kobe Bryant. Yet, few players in the league are comparable to Bryant. What he does possess is a better understanding of his coach, teammates and system (without any friction) than Kobe did at a similar age. Also, he not a ego-maniac that it takes losing to "humble" him, although the other night proves that Kobe will never be humbled.

[pjjrfan]

Size and hops for starters.

[MajicMan]

Well, he doesn't have a stupid French accent, effeminate body language, and a unibrow that Tony does so I guess Tony has him beat.

[kobe_bryant]

i don't have top 5 player in the world and top 5 clutch player


on my team

[kobe_bryant]

instead....im both of those

[m33p0]

about 4-5 inches and a nike endorsement.

[whottt]

So what are you guys saying? I mean aside from Magicman's clear admission that he is gay(which was completely unsolicted btw)...


Sounds like you are saying if Kobe had Tony's teamates he'd...I don't know...win a championship or something? You mean like Tony?

[whottt]

So if Kobe can't win without Tim and Manu...how does that make him better than Parker? I mean using that logic. at worst, Tony could equal Kobe's achievement of not winning a title without Tim and Manu. Hell...I could not win a championship without Tim Duncan and Manu...I fail to see the great achivement there, so why are Laker fans bringing it up as if it were one?


Basically all it means is that if Kobe need Tim and Manu to win, and Tony can win with Tim and Manu...Parker's still the better deal...

A. He's younger.
B. He's cheaper.
C. He's less likely to alientate his teamates, demand to be traded, run off his HOF Bigman Partner, or break up his championship core....

Exactly what can Kobe do that Tony can't?

Oh that's right...he can jack up more shots.

Wow.

[lefty]

So we should be expecting something like this?
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/15/xin_420102150950179109648.jpg

Yes and yes

That will happen

[lefty]

LOL Parker has a few good games and now he's better than Kobe? Where were you guys when he was sucking major cock the last 3-4 months? I distinctly remember a CP3 >>>> Parker thread on here.

We do have some quitters on this board; ususally, they jump on the bandwagon when we destroy the rest of the NBA in the playoffs

[balli]

So if Kobe can't win without Tim and Manu...how does that make him better than Parker? I mean using that logic. at worst, Tony could equal Kobe's achievement of not winning a title without Tim and Manu. Hell...I could not win a championship without Tim Duncan and Manu...I fail to see the great achivement there, so why are Laker fans bringing it up as if it were one?


Basically all it means is that if Kobe need Tim and Manu to win, and Tony can win with Tim and Manu...Parker's still the better deal...

A. He's younger.
B. He's cheaper.
C. He's less likely to alientate his teamates, demand to be traded, run off his HOF Bigman Partner, or break up his championship core....

Exactly what can Kobe do that Tony can't?

Oh that's right...he can jack up more shots.

Wow.

Your argument is no good Whott. I could see saying that from a gm and money perspective TP is a more valuable component to a championship contender than Kobe. For about a third of the cash, you'll get decent production. If there's one argument to make, that would be it. Don't try to compare the two in terms of ability though. It's a foolish argument. I mean, it isn't even close.

Your whole criteria is jacked. Let me ask this- When Steve Kerr was young he cost less than Kobe does now, right? He was less likely to alienate his teamates, right? He has more rings than Kobe, right? Does that mean he was as good or better than him?

You can't honestly try to compare the basketball ability of TP to Kobe. Kobe's probably better at basketball than anyone else has ever been. Possibly even Jordan. Jordan had some things about him outside of his basketball ability that made him better, but if we're just talking raw athletic b-ball ability you can at least make a solid argument that Kobe is the best ever. If you want to give it to MJ that's cool, but in any case Kobe is at least second. He can score from anywhere, create his own shot from anywhere, he can set up his teamates fom nearly anywhere and he's consistently been on the 1st defensive team throughout his career. Tony Parker is a nice player and a good scorer, but he isn't even close to Kobe Bryant.

At first I thought this thread was a joke. I still do, but in a very different way.

[whottt]

At first I thought.*snip*

First, second, third and fourth mistakes right there.

[DazedAndConfused]

Tony Parker is highly successful because of the team and system he plays on. It is tailor made to suit his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He is not a lock-down defender nor does he have great court vision like CP3/Nash/Williams do. He doesn't have to focus on micromanaging the offense, his primary task is to attack the defense and look to score. You swap TP with CP3/Nash/Williams and those teams all become worse.

[whottt]

:blah blah blah blah, blah blah, lame homer media driven subjective spin blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah.:blah *snip*

Oh please...continue enlightening us :rolleyes

[Medvedenko]

Man Whott....I've been on this forum for 4 years and in all of my years you still come up with weak threads and sad analysis. Your hate for Kobe is too funny...especially when trying to compare TP against KB. You have now taken the cake for the most dense comparison I've seen on this forum, well maybe when Manu vs Kobe was on full steam after a few good games from Manu. Enjoy the first round and hopefully we'll see you in the WCF, but keep the shitty threads to a minimum. But then again I'm sure your thread is pure jokes or you sucked on a tailpipe prior to tickling the keyboard.

[MajicMan]

Stupid thread. I didn't even read it. Just by the title alone it's pretty damn retarded. Let's see Parker be the focal point of a team both offensively and defensively. Let's see him get the double and triple teams Kobe does. Let's see his monkey ass carry a team all by his lonesome self. Take him off the Spurs his rank as a pg automatically drops. He's the perfect pg for the Spurs but stfu really. Let's see hi do what he does without Duncan and Ginobili.

[Trainwreck2100]

Legal fees

[Medvedenko]

Laker fans....no point of even arguing the merits of this thread. There's no point and I would just let it die as it ranks up there with the best troll threads I've read.

[fyatuk]

Tony Parker is highly successful because of the team and system he plays on. It is tailor made to suit his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He is not a lock-down defender nor does he have great court vision like CP3/Nash/Williams do. He doesn't have to focus on micromanaging the offense, his primary task is to attack the defense and look to score. You swap TP with CP3/Nash/Williams and those teams all become worse.

You made your entire point worthless. The system was designed to work with Tony's skillset. That's what is supposed to be done, play to your players strengths and hide their weakness.

Yes, those other teams (I think the suns would actually be better with Parker than Nash since he fits in with their uptempo philosophy), but plug those guys in with the Spurs in their current system and the Spurs would be worse as well. Of course the Spurs could change their system more easily than most teams because of coaching and players experienced in multiple systems, but that's not the point.

It's a stupid argument. For what the Spurs want to do currently, Parker is the best PG to have. No one even comes close to giving what Parker does. He is a unique talent. CP3 and Deron are much better classical PGs, but they would bomb trying to do what Parker does, and Parker would be mediocre at best trying to do what they do.

[Man of Steel]

Of course--there is at least one thing that Tony has which Kobe doesn't...



http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn150/luixzal_album/Eva-Longoria-1b1.jpg

[lefty]

Of course--there is at least one thing that Tony has which Kobe doesn't...



http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn150/luixzal_album/Eva-Longoria-1b1.jpg

They both have overrated annoying ugly bitches

[MaNuMaNiAc]

They both have overrated annoying ugly bitches that wouldn't give me the time of day to save my life

fixed

[lefty]

fixed

:lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

fixed

But you agree they are overrated, ugly, and annoying

[Elraptor]

Kobe has a better 3 pointer. Tony rarely shoots 3's to even be more specific. That's the main thing.

[DAF86]

Several more inches, a decent FT %, A good 3pt Shot, Clutchness, more skills, and attitude issues.

[spursfaninla]

Vd?

[DAF86]

Vd?

:wow That's cold.

[mavs>spurs2]

What does Kobe have that TP doesn't? Lets see..

Better defense, better shooting, more range on said shot, more scoring moves, equal finishing at the rim ability, size and jumping ability, rebounding, more clutch, ability to take over games, in general just a much better basketball player.(best on the planet) I actually like Tony don't make troll threads and give people reason to dislike him.

[Allanon]

Kobe vs Parker? You have gotta be kidding me. This is so ridiculous I'm not even going to answer the question, instead I pose several other questions.

1) If you were to start a franchise today who would you rather have, Kobe or Parker?
2) If you had a crappy team but could add 1 good player, would you take Kobe or Parker?
3) If the game was on the line, who would you rather have taking the final shot?
4) Final 30 seconds and you're up with the other team fouling you, who would you want taking the foul shots?
5) If you needed 3 points, who would you want getting those 3 points for you?
6) If you needed to lock down the other team's best player, who would you want as the defender?
7) If Kobe and Parker were to play 1 on 1, who would win? Would it even be close?
8) Would Parker have a chance at stopping Kobe?
9) Would Kobe have a chance at stopping Parker?

Kobe has no weaknesses on the court. Tony Parker's a stellar player as a 2nd or 3rd option...but he can never be THE man on a team.

Kobe is a top 1 player, Tony's top 20.

Kobe vs Duncan and you have a valid question.

[whottt]

Kobe vs Parker? You have gotta be kidding me. This is so ridiculous I'm not even going to answer the question, instead I pose several other questions.

1) If you were to start a franchise today who would you rather have, Kobe or Parker?

Parker. He's younger, he's cheaper, he's less cancerous, he's less selfish, he's less likely to demand to be traded, he's less likely to demand someone else be traded, he's less likely to attempt to get his coach fired... and he plays the first or second most difficult position to master on the court.

I take Parker and I don't even think twice about it. Building franchises around 30 year olds is generally a dumbass idea.




2) If you had a crappy team but could add 1 good player, would you take Kobe or Parker?

Parker for the reasons mentioned above...with a special focus on the fact that Kobe whines and demands to be traded if he feels he's on a crappy team.




3) If the game was on the line, who would you rather have taking the final shot?

Parker...



4) Final 30 seconds and you're up with the other team fouling you, who would you want taking the foul shots?

Kobe



5) If you needed 3 points, who would you want getting those 3 points for you?

Eh...maybe Kobe.




6) If you needed to lock down the other team's best player, who would you want as the defender?

Depends on who their best player was..and you've evidentally never watched Kobe Bryant try to defend Tony Parker or you wouldn't say he locks down shit. I'd tell you to watch the matchup of Kobe defending Parker again if we meet in the postseason this year, but I doubt Phil will ever attempt that again...in fact I imagine he'll probably try to double team Parker as he did in 04.



7) If Kobe and Parker were to play 1 on 1, who would win? Would it even be close?

Parker is a much higher PCT shooter than Kobe.




Kobe has no weaknesses on the court.

Except for his decision making...





Tony Parker's a stellar player as a 2nd or 3rd option...but he can never be THE man on a team.

I see....and what exactly has Kobe done as the man?

Miss the playoffs?
Blow up his team?
Win the Heat a championship?


Has he even gotten his team out of the first round?

Oh wait...he didn't, and your excuse is that he didn't have Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili...which doesn't sound like he's top 1 anything.





Kobe is a top 1 player, Tony's top 20.

Bull shit...the best player in the NBA wouldn't get his ass kicked in the first round 2 years in a row and miss the playoffs another.





Kobe vs Duncan and you have a valid question.


Uh...with all due respect, Kobe's not fit to carry Duncan's jock.

[Allanon]

^^ That's all I needed to know, enjoy the Haterade :D

[MajicMan]

Kori needs to ban "twhottt" for being a Spurs troll.

[DAF86]

Seriously whott that's some Homer thinking right there. Tony's great but Kobe is much better.

[mavs>spurs2]

Whott gets off to this kind of shit, don't lend him your hand to jack off with.

When he gets in the mood to troll he's like Spursdynasty but more believable.

[Kori Ellis]

Whott gets off to this kind of shit, don't lend him your hand to jack off with.


:lmao

(I think everyone knows Kobe is a top 3 player in the league and Tony isn't.)

[2Cleva]

If the man wants to suck Tony off, as long as Eva ain't mad why should anyone else?

[DazedAndConfused]

Seriously Whott needs to be banned for being a Spurs troll on a Spurs messageboard. This shit that spews out of his mouth is ridiculous.

And whomever said the Spurs would be worse off with CP3 or Williams in place of Parker, I don't buy that. Spurs would be just as good if not better.

[whottt]

So you guys are saying if you were building a team from scratch, or you have a crappy team and can add one good player to it...

You'd take Kobe?


If so you're pretty fucking stupid, because only an idiot would think Kobe wouldn't demand a trade instantly.

Not only do you guys evidentally not follow basketball...you don't even follow Kobe interviews in the summer.

[timvp]

whottt has actually held his own against Laker Fan even though he's defending a near impossible position. Speaking of Laker Fan, how come there were only like two on SpursTalk over the last three years? All of a sudden, Laker Fan is back in full force.

Wonder why :rolleyes

[urunobili]

Parker will be the spurs weapon to win more championships in the future... i foresee him having 3 more rings and probably a finals MVP on each one of them...

[timvp]

2) If you had a crappy team but could add 1 good player, would you take Kobe or Parker?

Parker for the reasons mentioned above...with a special focus on the fact that Kobe whines and demands to be traded if he feels he's on a crappy team.PWNT. I had to laugh at this ownage.

It's true. You put Kobe on a crappy team and he goes all emo. Does Laker Fan not remember this summer? Kobe actually had a good team around him and he still went more emo than an emo with eternal PMS. The dumbass was the one person in LA who couldn't see Bynum was a stud prospect.

Bryant is a got damn good player but to say he'd do anything other than whine and bitch his way off of a crappy team is laughable. He was whining and bitching when he had a superstar center prospect, an All-Star caliber player in Odom and a dozen good prospects next to him. Put him on the Grizzlies or the Bucks and the emo would be slitting his wrists within a month.

[whottt]

It's funny watching the Lakers demand I be banned for holding Kobe accountable for his own words..


It's like they think this is KobeGround er LakerGround or something.

[whottt]

PWNT. I had to laugh at this ownage.

It's true. You put Kobe on a crappy team and he goes all emo. Does Laker Fan not remember this summer? Kobe actually had a good team around him and he still went more emo than an emo with eternal PMS. The dumbass was the one person in LA who couldn't see Bynum was a stud prospect.

Bryant is a got damn good player but to say he'd do anything other than whine and bitch his way off of a crappy team is laughable. He was whining and bitching when he had a superstar center prospect, an All-Star caliber player in Odom and a dozen good prospects next to him. Put him on the Grizzlies or the Bucks and the emo would be slitting his wrists within a month.



Well said :tu


LakerFan wants to only look at talent and skill set...and ignore all other factors.

[E20]

Kobe Byrant is a much better player than TP. [/end thread]
Much more HOF material [/end thread X2]

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

PWNT. I had to laugh at this ownage.

It's true. You put Kobe on a crappy team and he goes all emo. Does Laker Fan not remember this summer? Kobe actually had a good team around him and he still went more emo than an emo with eternal PMS. The dumbass was the one person in LA who couldn't see Bynum was a stud prospect.

Bryant is a got damn good player but to say he'd do anything other than whine and bitch his way off of a crappy team is laughable. He was whining and bitching when he had a superstar center prospect, an All-Star caliber player in Odom and a dozen good prospects next to him. Put him on the Grizzlies or the Bucks and the emo would be slitting his wrists within a month.

:lmao Emo Kobe.

[MajicMan]

:lmao

(I think everyone knows Kobe is a top 3 player in the league and Tony isn't.)

Let's not give whottt too much credit here. I think deep down inside that tiny dinosaur brain of his he truly believes this shit.

[whottt]

Let's not give whottt too much credit here. I think deep down inside that tiny dinosaur brain of his he truly believes this shit.


:lmao, the guy who prefers Kobe over Parker because Kobe has better eyebrows is calling someone else out?


Seriously...you should never post again under that name.

[spursfaninla]

Kobe this last summer...to Kobe today illustrate anything?

Dude has stellar talent, will, skills, experience.

But he is missing vast chunks of character, which impacts my choice, if I am a GM, in considering his drama queen ass on my team.

Dude is great if you surround him with enough talent to front run. Otherwise he is a total bitch.

[SRJ]

All things being equal, I take Kobe.

But some people are inflating Kobe into something he's not - one argument in this thread put Kobe ahead of MJ. The only thing Kobe does as well as Michael is score. Kobe may well be the second-best shooting guard in NBA history, but there's a big gap between Jordan at #1 and him.

[Medvedenko]

Just end this thread....but then again I'll have it bumped to show Whott's truly inane takes and brings up shit that's not court related when arguing his lame insights.

Why even argue, you can bring up stats, character traits, you name it it won't matter to the faithful. Who know what kind of player parker would have turned out to be if it wasn't for him landing on the spurs. I love the EMO Kobe....nice...

That's reason enough that this thread is basketball bankrupt.

[timvp]

I love the EMO Kobe....nice...

That's reason enough that this thread is basketball bankrupt.Kobe wasn't acting emo last summer? Who would you describe it? Ho-ish?

[Medvedenko]

Kobe wasn't acting emo last summer? Who would you describe it? Ho-ish?

Who the fuck cares how he was "acting" "last year"....it's 2008 and we're up 3-0 in the first round with a serious shot and Kobe has been playing great up to this point. Also, Kobe's the only player I know that can bottle up all of the media attention and scrutiny and actually play the damn game and excel. He's the most important player for Team USA and the NBA, everything he does is analyzed to death and every talking head with lips has something to say about him, good, bad, and indifferent. There is no other player in the league that has to put up with his bullshit. Does he whine, is he anti-social, make cheesy commercials, complain, calls out teammates, for sure...but when he's on the court (where it actually matters) is where he shines and focused on winning over anything else. The rest of said bullshit has created many careers in the annals of sport writing. His game actually cashes those cheques.

[timvp]

I don't want to answer your questions.Fair enough.

[Medvedenko]

Fair enough.

Are you questions basketball questions or US weekly questions. I can't tell anymore on this board.

[KidCongo]

Parker.He's less cancerous, he's less selfish, he's less likely to demand to be traded, he's less likely to demand someone else be traded, he's less likely to attempt to get his coach fired....

How would u know that?

He has never been in the same position as Kobe..

[spurscenter]

Balls

[alamo50]

That feeling of guilt

[MONTENEGRINO]

I say nothing.

Discuss....

:bang:bang:bang:sleep:sleep:sleep
If Kobe played aside of TD Celtics record (11 straight) would be probably crashed before two of them are retired... Kobe has everything that Tony doesn't.

[thiste]

Tony doesn't have to molest girls to get that booty :

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f248/ayoitzsanjay/EL_019.jpg
http://www.desperatehw.it/Immagini/Eva/sexy%20eva.jpg

[Pulgoso]

What's Kobe got that Tony doesn't? Nothing. But let me ask you this, what Tony got that Kobe doesn't? The answer is Manu Ginobili that they both capable of scoring 40+ points.

[Hemotivo]

That feeling of guilt

:wow

:reading

[Pulgoso]

A reliever. Tony do not have to exert tremendous effort to win a game because there are many other rosters that can stepup to win a game. But with Lakers without Kobe Lakers can hardly win a game specially in a close scoring game. In the other way around just simply put a good defensive player that can shutdown and frustrate Kobe the whole team will play miserable.

[Pulgoso]

3 championship ring...and Tony Parker has 4 championship ring...looking forward for his 5th before 2008 season end.

[fyatuk]

Kobe vs Parker? You have gotta be kidding me. This is so ridiculous I'm not even going to answer the question, instead I pose several other questions.

1) If you were to start a franchise today who would you rather have, Kobe or Parker?

If those are my only options, I take Tony. Kobe has generated way too much drama and distraction over his carreer to make me want him.


2) If you had a crappy team but could add 1 good player, would you take Kobe or Parker?

Stupid question. If you need a point guard you take Tony, you need a SG or SF you take Kobe. I mean, it's not like a crappy team can't have good players in certain positions. Plus, Kobe would be horrid for turning around a crappy team (trade me, trade me, trade me). Tony would probably go along for the ride and bolt after the contract was up.


3) If the game was on the line, who would you rather have taking the final shot?
4) Final 30 seconds and you're up with the other team fouling you, who would you want taking the foul shots?
5) If you needed 3 points, who would you want getting those 3 points for you?
6) If you needed to lock down the other team's best player, who would you want as the defender?

Definitely Kobe on these, between the two. Of course, opening it up to the rest of the league would be Nash, Manu, and Bowen respectively :P


7) If Kobe and Parker were to play 1 on 1, who would win? Would it even be close?
8) Would Parker have a chance at stopping Kobe?
9) Would Kobe have a chance at stopping Parker?


The answers to 8 and 9 are both no. Well, both slim. 7 depends on the rules.


Kobe has no weaknesses on the court. Tony Parker's a stellar player as a 2nd or 3rd option...but he can never be THE man on a team.

Kobe's weakness is his head. I imagine his head is on the court when he is :hat

When he's been healthy this year, Tony has been the #1 option until the last 2 minutes of the game, and that's only a concession to Manu being one of if not the most clutch player in the world.

[DazedAndConfused]

LMAO at this thread now. Your golden boy Parker is putting up some show with all those turnovers and blown passes right into the teeth of the defense.

You put pressure on Parker and he folds. You put pressure on Kobe and he makes you pay. That's the difference, and that's why Kobe is a transcendent talent and Parker is only an All-Star talent.

[Shaolin-Style]

Yeah, Kobe sure took the pressure on his shoulders last year, didn't he? What was his stat line when he got eliminated? Refresh my memory.

[DazedAndConfused]

Parker has weaknesses in his game, namely his court vision and passing abilities. His defense is far from lockdown as well.

Kobe has no weaknesses. He's a complete player.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The ability to not lay an egg after going for 41 in a game.

[ducks]

kobe has laid an egg in first half
tp is not the only spur not playing up to par today

[IcemanCometh]

About 4 inches

[LakeShow]

A 3-0 lead in the first round!

:hat

[ipeefreely]

I say nothing.

Discuss....

OH just that he is the best player on the planet......LOL

Homeristic post if I have ever read one...

Man, you have to kidding right?:lmao

[JamStone]

The intelligence not to release a rap album?

edit: although I think I recall Kobe flirting with the idea...

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

This thread jinxed Tony.

[adidas11]

One is a NBA superstar talent. The other is a borderline All-star talent, that folds when teams focus on him.

Oh, and one is able to play on a team that can defend its title, the other has been unable to do that as of yet. (we won't throw in the expectation of winning 3 in a row, as that is over-ambitious)

[Agloco]

I say nothing.

Discuss....


A wife with a 4-million dollar rock on her hand????

[whottt]

The intelligence not to release a rap album?

You wish...





edit: although I think I recall Kobe flirting with the idea...


He cut it, even did a duet with Tyra Banks...the album wasn't released. Not because Kobe didn't want it to be released, but because it sucked so badly no record company would release it. Seriously.


So as usual..way to kick your own ass Jamstone :tu

[DazedAndConfused]

One is a NBA superstar talent. The other is a borderline All-star talent, that folds when teams focus on him.

Oh, and one is able to play on a team that can defend its title, the other has been unable to do that as of yet. (we won't throw in the expectation of winning 3 in a row, as that is over-ambitious)

Couldn't agree more. You make Parker the focal part of a team's offense, and take away Duncan/Manu, and he becomes completely useless on the floor. The only reason Parker puts up the stats that he does is because plays alongside two HOF talents that complement his game perfectly.

Kobe can put up the stats he does on any team. That is the difference.

[Pero]

A hotter wife with a 4-million dollar rock on her hand????

Fixed.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

One is a NBA superstar talent. The other is a borderline All-star talent, that folds when teams focus on him.

Oh, and one is able to play on a team that can defend its title, the other has been unable to do that as of yet. (we won't throw in the expectation of winning 3 in a row, as that is over-ambitious)

Suns did a good job adjusting to him today.

[Kobe62Mavs61]

Back to Back to Back Titles, you'd better ask somebody!

[Killakobe81]

r u serious?! Tony is not even a top 2 point gaurd ...he maybe 3rd

[MrChug]

Kobe has a hotter wife?

[E20]

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[m33p0]

Back to Back to Back Titles, you'd better ask somebody!
Shaq thread?

[JamStone]

You wish...






He cut it, even did a duet with Tyra Banks...the album wasn't released. Not because Kobe didn't want it to be released, but because it sucked so badly no record company would release it. Seriously.


So as usual..way to kick your own ass Jamstone :tu


"to not release."

That's what I said.

So as usual... way to be a dipshit.

[Str8Ballin]

A wife with a 4-million dollar rock on her hand????

nice sig! hell one could almost stroke to that!

[Spurminator]

The ability to not lay an egg after going for 41 in a game.

What about after going for 33 in a game?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=240610008

[2Cleva]

Are you serious? You had to go back to 04 for that? LMAO.

Parker is nice but he's not even the top PG left in the West, let alone in sniffing difference of the unquestioned best player in the league. And when the guy people want to argue is better than Kobe says that Kobe is still better - you know whats up.

But hey, if Eva don't mind, I don't mind either.

[Spurminator]

Are you serious? You had to go back to 04 for that? LMAO.

Yeah, and I had to go back even further to get to Kobe's Championships.

Are you saying that 2008 Kobe doesn't have off games?

[Spurminator]

Really, I just wanted to find a meaningful game where Kobe sucked, and the 2004 Finals was the first thing I thought of. But I suppose I should have linked to this Playoff game from last year (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AnYh_cm2iB959qpvMGduFYakvLYF?gid=200 7042421).

[2Cleva]

Every player has good and bad games. Hence why they record averages when it comes to stats.

You can compare best to best or worse to worse game but the best barometer for the measure of an individual vs another individual is the statistics.

Comparing character is an abstract term that you can't truly weigh unless you are in both lockerrooms and have an honest, unfiltered view of how teammates and coaches view a player. Reading it in the media doesn't cut it - pro and con.

But celebrating about 41? C'mon now. We all know thats half of what Kobe is capable of when he's on.

[Spurminator]

Every player has good and bad games.

All I was trying to say. :tu

[2Cleva]

All I was trying to say. :tu


I guess.

Wasn't that Parker's only 40+ pt game of his career? Kobe has what? 89 regular season ones and probably another dozen in the playoffs. Come to think of it, Kobe averaged 40 for a month before.

Silly to compare.

[tlongII]

A hot, mexican wife.

[ducks]

when kobe had no help spurs beat them and the spurs concerened on kobe
kobe>tp
but saying kobe does not need any help is stupid
why in the hell do you think he demanded the lakers do something or he wanted out

[Spurminator]

I guess.

Wasn't that Parker's only 40+ pt game of his career? Kobe has what? 89 regular season ones and probably another dozen in the playoffs. Come to think of it, Kobe averaged 40 for a month before.

Silly to compare.


Compare what? Someone suggested Kobe wouldn't have followed up a great performance with a clunker, and I pointed out instances where he did.

[tlongII]

We can't have Manu vs Tony threads, but we can have Kobe vs Tony threads? Sounds hypocritical to me...

[whottt]

"to not release."

That's what I said.


No...that's not what you said, you said "the intelligence to not release". Now, unless you're stupid...and let's face it, you are anyway...the fact that it wasn't released had nothing to do with his intelligence and everything to do with the intelligence of his record company.





So as usual... way to be a dipshit.


A dipshit is someone who can't even remember his own quotes...and/or doesn't understand what his own words mean...


As usual.

[DAF86]

3 championship ring...and Tony Parker has 4 championship ring...looking forward for his 5th before 2008 season end.

Tony has 3 rings

[The_Game]

parker doesn't deserve to be mentioned on the same planet as kobe nevermind same league

[Killakobe81]

a 4 game sweep ...

[DAF86]

a 4 game sweep ...

He's saving it for the WCF.

P.S: Tony got that when he got his finals MVP.

[TheMACHINE]

A hot, mexican wife.


They both have a hot mexican wife :toast

[pooh]

back to back to back rings.

[JamStone]

No...that's not what you said, you said "the intelligence to not release". Now, unless you're stupid...and let's face it, you are anyway...the fact that it wasn't released had nothing to do with his intelligence and everything to do with the intelligence of his record company.

A dipshit is someone who can't even remember his own quotes...and/or doesn't understand what his own words mean...


As usual.

You're telling me a multi millionaire who has connections all over Hollywood couldn't release an album even if a legit recording company didn't want to produce his album? Riiiiiiiight.

Ever heard of Indy labels?

I never said Kobe didn't make an album. I said Kobe was smart enough not to release one.

No, you are a dipshit.

[JamStone]

A first round sweep in the 2008 playoffs.

[Medvedenko]

Why is this thread still on the first page...oh yeah to show the lunacy of the Original poster's senseless ramblings while bathing in a great performance by Tony Parker. Incidentally his great performance in the annals of Kobe's is pretty much average. Oh well.....

[DAF86]

Why does this thread still on the first page...oh yeah to show the lunacy of the Original poster's senseless ramblings while bathing in a great performance by Tony Parker. Incidentally his great performance in the annals of Kobe's is pretty much average. Oh well.....

I'm the first to say that Kobe is way better than Tony but scoring more points doesn't necessarily mean that one player is better than the other.
Scoring 40 isn't so hard for a talented player if that player has the freedom to take 30/35 shots. I bet that if Kobe'd average 15 shots per game and Parker 20, Tony'd have a better scoring average. But that'd not make Tony better than Kobe.

[Medvedenko]

I'm the first to say that Kobe is way better than Tony but scoring more points doesn't necessarily means that one player is better than the other.
Scoring 40 isn't so hard for a talented player if that player has the freedom to take 30/35 shots. I bet that if Kobe'd average 15 shots per game and Parker 20, Tony'd have a better scoring average. But that'd not make Tony better than Kobe.

Look dude I don't know you...but that's a pretty dense post. There's a reason Kobe takes a lot of shots and has done successfully in the past...it's because he's talented enough to get them off and score at a high percentage. Scoring 40 isn't hard...really, than for a "talented player" like Parker why has he only done this what like once in his career. Of course it's not all about points and I was arguing that stance, and there are plenty more facets to Kobe's game that far exceed young Parkers.

[DazedAndConfused]

Tony Parker better than Kobe? That croissant eating Frenchman will tell you how idiotic that statement is himself if you asked him.

[DAF86]

Look dude I don't know you...but that's a pretty dense post. There's a reason Kobe takes a lot of shots and has done successfully in the past...it's because he's talented enough to get them off and score at a high percentage. Scoring 40 isn't hard...really, than for a "talented player" like Parker why has he only done this what like once in his career. Of course it's not all about points and I was arguing that stance, and there are plenty more facets to Kobe's game that far exceed young Parkers.

Parker's scored 40 only TWICE in his career 'cause he averages around 13 shots per game and he's never took more than 30 shots in a game (it's easier to make more points when you take more shots) and he averages only 13 shots per game 'casue he plays with Duncan and Ginobili.
And tell me when was Kobe more successfull, when he didn't have all the offensive freedom in the world 'cause he had to feed Shaq inside or when O'neal left and he averaged 35 points per game only to get knocked out in the first round?

And about all the other things, I already told you that I think that Kobe is a better and more complete player than Parker. I just wanted to point out that they guy that scores more points isn't necessarily the better player.

[Killakobe81]

Parker is good but he aint Kobe ...hell he AINT even Chris paul or Dwill

[whottt]

You're telling me a multi millionaire who has connections all over Hollywood couldn't release an album even if a legit recording company didn't want to produce his album? Riiiiiiiight.

The fact that it didn't get fully released had nothing to do with Kobe(other than he sucked)...idiot.

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/02/27/jocks-who-try-to-rock-kobe-bryant



Like Allen Iverson's 'Misunderstood,' music execs pulled the plug on Kobe Bryant's 2000 rap album 'Visions.' Yet, unlike A.I.'s disc, the album wasn't shelved because it contained vulgar and controversial lyrics. No, the album was squashed because, well, it was bad. Despite Columbia Records putting the kibosh on the project, the single 'K.O.B.E.' was released in the spring. When it came to this sinking ship, Bryant wasn't stranded alone -- Tyra Banks joined him on the track to drop a few rhymes too. Why, oh, why?


Now, do you understand what the word, "execs" and the phrase "pulled the plug" mean, idiot? Or do you need 3rd grade words and phrases defined for you?






Ever heard of Indy labels?


Ever hear of a contract? Idiot.





I never said Kobe didn't make an album. I said Kobe was smart enough not to release one.

Right...and you were wrong...and not only are you too stupid to realize that...




No, you are a dipshit.


You compound your own stupidity by calling someone else a dipshit...

You're wrong.


One more time for the idiots among us:


music execs pulled the plug


You said Kobe had the intelligence not to release an ablum..and that was false. You were wrong...idiot.

[whottt]

Look dude I don't know you...but that's a pretty dense post. There's a reason Kobe takes a lot of shots and has done successfully in the past...it's because he's talented enough to get them off and score at a high percentage.

Parker scores at a much higher PCT...he just doesn't take as many shots...his team also wins more.




Scoring 40 isn't hard...really, than for a "talented player" like Parker why has he only done this what like once in his career.

Because he's only taken enough shots to do it once?

Do you understand that based on PCT's...Parker could score 40 points on fewer shots than Kobe...do you understand this?

Do you understand what a FG% is?

Do you understand that Parker's is substantially better?

Do you understand that the reason he has only had 40 points in a game 1 time is because he's only taken enough shots to do it once ?


Do you understand that Parker has had games where his PCT was 3-4 times better than some of Kobe's 40 point games and the reason Parker didn't have 40 in those games was because he didn't take enough shots, not because he was incapable of scoring 40?

Do you understand that this is a criticism of Kobe?




Of course it's not all about points and I was arguing that stance,

For Parker, or Kobe?


Parker isn't the one who broke up his championship teams because he had a redass over TMac and AI winning scoring titles...that would be Kobe.





and there are plenty more facets to Kobe's game that far exceed young Parkers.



True...it takes one hell of a player to break up his championship core and shoot his team out of an NBA Finals...I doubt Parker could do that even if he tried.

[hsxvvd]

Rape accusations?

[Sexy Stud 28]

Well Parker is really, really good. And I think he's underrated by a lot of fans, the media, and analysts in general-that's with a 2007 Finals MVP under his belt. When you hear talk about top point guards in the league, you hardly ever hear Parker's name, and I think he is a top 5. However, he's behind 4 other great ones (Nash, Paul, Deron, and Kidd-in no particular order).


AND NONE OF THEM HAVE 3 RINGS damn or atleast 1! Nash has Amare and Shaq!! Kidd has Dirk and Howard. Deron has Boozer now Paul maybe he could be better than TP but the rest of thoes guys ????

[Sexy Stud 28]

Parker scores at a much higher PCT...he just doesn't take as many shots...his team also wins more.




Because he's only taken enough shots to do it once?

Do you understand that based on PCT's...Parker could score 40 points on fewer shots than Kobe...do you understand this?

Do you understand what a FG% is?

Do you understand that Parker's is substantially better?

Do you understand that the reason he has only had 40 points in a game 1 time is because he's only taken enough shots to do it once ?


Do you understand that Parker has had games where his PCT was 3-4 times better than some of Kobe's 40 point games and the reason Parker didn't have 40 in those games was because he didn't take enough shots, not because he was incapable of scoring 40?

Do you understand that this is a criticism of Kobe?




For Parker, or Kobe?


Parker isn't the one who broke up his championship teams because he had a redass over TMac and AI winning scoring titles...that would be Kobe.






True...it takes one hell of a player to break up his championship core and shoot his team out of an NBA Finals...I doubt Parker could do that even if he tried.



I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTA!!! I dunno kno why ppl think Kobe is a god just because he scores alot of points hell u can throw me on the Lakers and if i shot the ball 100 times im bound to get 40 points myself!!!

[Obstructed_View]

http://thehype.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/paugasol.jpg

[Sexy Stud 28]

A first round sweep in the 2008 playoffs.

who were tha lakers playing again??? The nuggets are nothing but a nba soap opera.:flag::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[Sexy Stud 28]

A first round sweep in the 2008 playoffs.

no he got tp there all tp has is a sweep in the finals and the finals mvp award. thats all!

[mojorizen7]

What's Kobe got that Tony doesn't?
More game.
Better shot
More range on his shot
Better defense
Better vision
Stronger
More competitive
More hops
and on and on and on and on......whatever homer.

[21_Blessings]

Kobe has a hotter wife?

Easily

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2131/evalolqc5.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evalolqc5.jpg)

:vomit:

[Allanon]

I remembered this thread after tonight's game.

Tony's a great player as I've said before but he's not as good as Kobe.

[nin666]

A better jump shot and all-around game.

At least TP is a better human being.

[41times]

Kobe has what no other player in the league has. No concious. He is a cold blooded, heartless player. He is unstoppable when he wants to be. He can shoot, he can play defense, he can rebound, he can assists. He can do it all.

He is the closest thing to Michale Jordan since Michael Jordon.

Hate him, but respect his game.