Tim Duncan comparable for Michael Jordan?

[Deuces88]

This is not a "Who is better thread," but we all know Jordan has been in a league of his own. No one has been able to live up to him (although the media have tried to push LeBron and Kobe to live up to him...but they can never live up to that man). But now, I am comparing Tim Duncan to Jordan. This is in terms of calibre.

Now, I don't want to talk about awards. Just skill.

Jordan average about 30 ppg career-wise, 2 steals per game, and 5 assists per game. He was a scorer who could also play defense (2 steals per game career-wise is fantastic). He was also a great leader and a very consistent player. Overall, I don't think he was a selfish player, but when the team needed him to take over, he would do so and that lead his team to 6 (probably 8 if he didn't retire the first time) championships.

Duncan averages 21 ppg, about 12 rebounds per game, and 2 blocks per game career-wise. Duncan is a very good scorer, but the difference is between him and Jordan (in this area), is that Duncan doesn't need to score all the points. He likes to get his teammates more involved (not saying Jordan doesn't, but Jordan does like to take over if he feels he needs to). Duncan has shown he's a good passer and although his assists stats doesn't show it (3 assist per game career-wise; only 2 under Jordan, the guard), if you watch Spurs game you'll see what a good passer Duncan is, especially when he attracts double teams which allows the Spurs guards to get open. Like Jordan, Duncan is a great leader and is very consistent. Also like Jordan, Duncan will step up and take control if necessary but that's only after trying to get his teammates involved. If his teammates aren't producing well, Duncan will definitely take it upon himself to take over. Because of this Duncan is able to lead his team to 4 (Injuries is what I believe prevented them from winning in 04' and 06') championships.
Also, we can't forget the lovely stat that states that the Spurs, since Duncan came on, has had the best winning percentage of any team in any sport.

Btw, I think some people don't appreciate consistency as much as they should. Consistency is a top factor that defines a great player. If you score 100 pts on a team, but then the next few games, you're scoring 10 or something, that's not consistent. The way to be a winning player is to go out every night and do the same thing over and over, never letting up. Duncan and Jordan are probably the best examples of this.

Jordan and Duncan are very similar in my opinion. My brother countered my argument is saying that Jordan is a guard and Duncan is a PF/C, so there is a big difference. Big men are expected to do certain things while Jordan went outside the box as a guard. I respect his argument but I think Duncan also went outside the box. He is a dominant big man, yes, but his presence and great decisions get consistent wins as he gets everyone else involved EVERY game.

Also, an interesting piece of information that a few of you may not notice is that, the Spurs don't really play seriously in the season. If you watch the games, you'll notice that there is a BIG change when the post-season begins as Duncan plays at his max in the playoffs (along with the rest of the Spurs). They play harder and smarter in the playoffs, so don't be so set on judging Duncan on his season stats as he has shown that he can probably increase those regular season stats anytime he wants to.

Anyway, that's enough of me babbling about. What do you guys think? Both are recognized as the best guard and best big man, but Jordan has been recognized as the best player. Do you think Jordan has to make room in his "best player ever" league for this humble giant?

[Just Joe]

It's so hard to compare the greatness of a shooting guard to that of a power forward. Both are the greatest of all time at their respective positions.

The thing is that when Jordan took over a game, you knew he was taking over the game. When Duncan takes over a game, he's a little less obvious about it, because his taking over a game gets a lot of other team mates involved.

[PlayoffEx-static]

The ball can be taken out of Tim's hands, and that was REAL fucking difficult to do to MJ. We've already had a longer Finals run than the Bulls, though, nine years of contention and Finals bookends, so far.

[Deuces88]

Remember guys, this is not "Who's better?," this is "Can we now put Duncan and Jordan in the same league?," since we know that Jordan has been in a league of his own for so long.

[K-State Spur]

if you were doing a 1st team all-time, i think it would be:

PG - Magic
SG - Michael
SF - Larry
PF - Tim
C - Wilt

I think that would put them in the same league and conversation.

[MiamiHeat]

Tim has yet to win back-to-back rings.

MJ had TWO three-peats. He got his 1st 3peat, retired for 2 years, came back and got another 3-peat. If he hadn't retired, he would have 8 straight championships. An 8-peat. Reminds you of the Bill Russel era. That's how great MJ was. There was just no discussion. Opposing teams would enter MJ's arena and even THEY knew how much better MJ was.

When MJ retired, players were asked if they would like MJ to come back. Most players were like 'NO!!!!!!' Dan Majerle is famous for saying "Nooooo, please dont come back again. Give others a chance to win"

Duncan on the other hand wins one every few years. Tim is best PF ever, but not MJ. Tim didn't even win MVP Finals last year....

[Deuces88]

Tim has yet to win back-to-back rings.

MJ had TWO three-peats. He got his 1st 3peat, retired for 2 years, came back and got another 3-peat. If he hadn't retired, he would have 8 straight championships. An 8-peat. Reminds you of the Bill Russel era. That's how great MJ was. There was just no discussion. Opposing teams would enter MJ's arena and even THEY knew how much better MJ was.

When MJ retired, players were asked if they would like MJ to come back. Most players were like 'NO!!!!!!' Dan Majerle is famous for saying "Nooooo, please dont come back again. Give others a chance to win"

Duncan on the other hand wins one every few years. Tim is best PF ever, but not MJ. Tim didn't even win MVP Finals last year....

This is the kind of post that doesn't belong here. You're looking at awards and not realizing the calibre of the players. Sorry to say this, but if you're going to post something like this, just stop.

[Jimcs50]

if you were doing a 1st team all-time, i think it would be:

PG - Magic
SG - Michael
SF - Larry
PF - Tim
C - Wilt

I think that would put them in the same league and conversation.

I would put Bill Russell or Dream on that team before Wilt. That is not meant as a slight to Wilt, but I think with this team, Dream and Bill were better team players and better passers and defenders, thus would make the team a good as possible.

[DarrinS]

This thread is embarrassing.

[polandprzem]

Bird, Jordan, Magic and Wilt in the same squad?

Too much ego IMO although we might discuss.


I always wondered why can't you make comparisons because it is common to say it's no contest.
LIke Dave vs Dream - no contest, but wtf I want to compare those two guys will you let me?
And I think we can do it with every player in top15 all time.

The eras the guys they played with the guys they played against the circumstances of the playoffs runs etc.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tim duncan is not all about numbers

[K-State Spur]

I would put Bill Russell or Dream on that team before Wilt. That is not meant as a slight to Wilt, but I think with this team, Dream and Bill were better team players and better passers and defenders, thus would make the team a good as possible.

Russell certainly fits into that team better, but i was doing it more from a 1st Team All-NBA individual award standpoint as opposed to creating the actual best team possible.

[Sec24Row7]

I would put Kobe on that team before bird just because I don't think he would have any problem sliding him to 3 with Magic as a 1 and Duncan as a 4... with a traditional 5 in there too... talk about sick teams...

You want chemistry? Put David at 5... of course... kobe and jordan would kill each other... haha...

I can't believe no one has talked about Kareem at center... My all time team would be

Jordan
Kobe
Magic
Timmy
Kareem

[BonnerDynasty]

When Duncan hit that 3, it reminded me that he is a basketball GOD and belongs up there with Jordan, Bird, etc.

[Deuces88]

more like Douches88

So...am I supposed to be offended or something by this 4th grade flame? I mean c'mon, try a little harder next time. You can do better than that. Or maybe you can't...that would be unfortunate :lmao

[Tacker]

We've already had a longer Finals run than the Bulls, though, nine years of contention and Finals bookends, so far.

Please explain this, I find your statement False

In Tim Duncan's Era

1999- Finals (Champions)
2000- 1st round exit
2001- Western Conference Finals exit
2002- 2nd round exit
2003- Finals (Champions)
2004- 2nd round exit
2005- Finals (Champions)
2006- 2nd round exit
2007- Finals (champions)


In Michael Jordan's Era
1985- First round exit
1986- First round exit
1987- First round exit
1988- 2nd round exit
1989- Eastern Conference Finals exit
1990- Eastern Conference Finals exit
1991- Finals (Champions)
1992- Finals (Champions)
1993- Finals (Champions)
1994- Did not play
1995- 2nd round exit
1996- Finals (Champions)
1997- Finals (Champions)
1998- Finals (Champions)

[Texas_Ranger]

Please explain this, I find your statement False

In Tim Duncan's Era

1999- Finals (Champions)
2000- 1st round exit
2001- Western Conference Finals exit
2002- 2nd round exit
2003- Finals (Champions)
2004- 2nd round exit
2005- Finals (Champions)
2006- 2nd round exit
2007- Finals (champions)


In Michael Jordan's Era
1985- First round exit
1986- First round exit
1987- First round exit
1988- 2nd round exit
1989- Eastern Conference Finals exit
1990- Eastern Conference Finals exit
1991- Finals (Champions)
1992- Finals (Champions)
1993- Finals (Champions)
1994- Did not play
1995- 2nd round exit
1996- Finals (Champions)
1997- Finals (Champions)
1998- Finals (Champions)

In 98 Spurs were also in the playoffs!:hat

[Galileo]

I'll take Duncan over MJ.

Duncan is more of a team player in a team sport.

MJ took several years to become a team player, Duncan was one right out of the blocks.

Duncan moves without the ball and sets screens better than anyone, like Bill Russell and Danny Manning (before his injury).

all-time team:

Duncan F
MJ SG
Kareem C
Magic PG
Bill Russell F

2nd team

Hakeem C/PF
Bird SF
Cousy PG
Wilt C/PF
Havlicek SG

3rd team

Shaq C
West G
Oscar G
Pettit F
Karl Malone F

[remingtonbo2001]

Can we wait and have this discussion after the playoffs are finished?

[Allanon]

Timmy's lack of a repeat will always hurt him in G.O.A.T. (MJ, Magic, etc) comparisons but Timmy is the best Power Foward of all time.

[peskypesky]

Can we wait and have this discussion after the playoffs are finished?

:toast

[Rip-Hamilton32]

I'll take Duncan over MJ.

Duncan is more of a team player in a team sport.

MJ took several years to become a team player, Duncan was one right out of the blocks.

Duncan moves without the ball and sets screens better than anyone, like Bill Russell and Danny Manning (before his injury).

all-time team:

Duncan F
MJ SG
Kareem C
Magic PG
Bill Russell F

2nd team

Hakeem C/PF
Bird SF
Cousy PG
Wilt C/PF
Havlicek SG

3rd team

Shaq C
West G
Oscar G
Pettit F
Karl Malone F

did some1 really just say they would take td over mj :lmao

[K-State Spur]

Timmy's lack of a repeat will always hurt him in G.O.A.T. (MJ, Magic, etc) comparisons but Timmy is the best Power Foward of all time.

...there's a back-handed compliment. calling timmy the best but also counting the Spurs out this season in the same breath.

[pad300]

Timmy's lack of a repeat will always hurt him in G.O.A.T. (MJ, Magic, etc) comparisons but Timmy is the best Power Foward of all time.

Well, I guess we fix that problem this year...

[word]

Remember guys, this is not "Who's better?," this is "Can we now put Duncan and Jordan in the same league?," since we know that Jordan has been in a league of his own for so long.

The answer is no.

[MONTENEGRINO]

No matter how much I love Timmy (and he is my favorite sportsman of all time), I still cannot compare him to Michael Jordan. Tim is great, so great that league and people will realise how big he actually was when he retire... For me, Tim Duncan is big as Russell, as Bird and as Magic were... Jordan? No, not as big as Jordan was.

[MajicMan]

First Parker>Kobe thread and now TD>MJ thread

Tim is great but how bout HELL no! I've seen him mentally defeated (against the Shaq Lakers, spazzing out during the Detroit series) something Jordan would have never done. Tim is up there as one of the most consistent players ever but he has no title defense. It's one and out, one and out. Even Hakeem had two. Jordan dominated "sports" like never seen before. When it's all said and done we'll see but as of right now dude just stop.

[MONTENEGRINO]

Can we wait and have this discussion after the playoffs are finished?

Can we wait and have this discussion after his career is finished??? He is just too young (no matter what people say!!! still in his prime) to make that kind of comparisons at this point.

[Tacker]

I don't think Tim Duncan should be compared to Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan in all his championship runs had only 1 allstar with him (Scottie Pippen)

Tim Duncan has/had Manu Ginobli (2005), Tony Parker (2006,2007), David Robinson,



*Who knows, if Duncan would have won those rings without those players

[Deuces88]

When Duncan won in 2003, he basically did it by himself. Parker was inconsistent as hell and Duncan was like the only star on the team at that time.

[DAF86]

I don't think Tim Duncan should be compared to Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan in all his championship runs had only 1 allstar with him (Scottie Pippen)

Tim Duncan has/had Manu Ginobli (2005), Tony Parker (2006,2007), David Robinson,



*Who knows, if Duncan would have won those rings without those players

You're forgetting Dennis Rodman

[Tacker]

When Duncan won in 2003, he basically did it by himself. Parker was inconsistent as hell and Duncan was like the only star on the team at that time.

So did Jordan in 91 who was the only allstar on that Bulls team (pippen had bad season that year)

[Tacker]

You're forgetting Dennis Rodman

Nope, Im not forgetting anyone, Dennis Rodman was only an allstar in 1990, and 1992. Never was an allstar for the Chicago Bulls.

[Galileo]

Nope, Im not forgetting anyone, Dennis Rodman was only an allstar in 1990, and 1992. Never was an allstar for the Chicago Bulls.

Rodman won 3 rebounding titles with Jordan, averaging 14.9 rebounds per game each year. He was also a consistent 1st team all-defensive player, and was 1st team in 1996. Rodman was the best offensive rebounder of all time, and is ranked the 30th best player of all time in this book:

Who's Better, Who's Best in Basketball?: Mr Stats Sets the Record Straight on the Top 50 NBA Players of All Time
http://www.amazon.com/Whos-Better-Best-Basketball-Straight/dp/0071417885

btw

this is a great book.

It has Pippen rated # 29 and Jordan rated # 3 (behind Wilt)

It also has Duncan rated # 9 (the book came out after the 2003 season)

Besides putting Shaq first (a stupid pick intended to sell books at the time), the rest of the book is great.

Here's the complete top 50 list:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0071417885/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

[DAF86]

Nope, Im not forgetting anyone, Dennis Rodman was only an allstar in 1990, and 1992. Never was an allstar for the Chicago Bulls.

Yeah, but he's still an All-star type of player.

[Tacker]

To tell you the truth, I think rebounds are the most overrated stats. Just because you can rebound that doesnt mean anything. If you rebound, theres a chance the rebound will convert into points, and theres also a chance the rebound will fail resulting in a turnover. Points and assists are the real important stats, once you score or give out assists, it cant fail, itll always stay on the scoreboard.

Same goes with stealing, rebounding, and blocking, all overrated stats.

[Tacker]

Yeah, but he's still an All-star type of player.

and so is Bruce Bowen, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, and David Robinson

[Galileo]

If Jordan is so good, why was Sam Bowie drafted ahead of him?

Bowie > Jordan

[Tacker]

If Jordan is so good, why was Sam Bowie drafted ahead of him?

Bowie > Jordan


That was probably the most stupidest, most ignorant, most ridiculous, counter argument I have ever heard. What are you trying to say? Just because a player was drafted before another player doesn't mean anything.

I guess we can play your IGNORANT game..... Robert Horry has more rings than Tim Duncan does that make Robert Horry better than Tim Duncan? Lorenzen Wright was drafted before Kobe Bryant, does that make Wright better than Bryant??

You fail.

[resistanze]

That was probably the most stupidest, most ignorant, most ridiculous, counter argument I have ever heard. What are you trying to say? Just because a player was drafted before another player doesn't mean anything.

I guess we can play your IGNORANT game..... Robert Horry has more rings than Tim Duncan does that make Robert Horry better than Tim Duncan? Lorenzen Wright was drafted before Kobe Bryant, does that make Wright better than Bryant??

You fail.You fail for taking that post seriously man.

[Galileo]

That was probably the most stupidest, most ignorant, most ridiculous, counter argument I have ever heard. What are you trying to say? Just because a player was drafted before another player doesn't mean anything.

I guess we can play your IGNORANT game..... Robert Horry has more rings than Tim Duncan does that make Robert Horry better than Tim Duncan? Lorenzen Wright was drafted before Kobe Bryant, does that make Wright better than Bryant??

You fail.

you're just jealous because you didn't think of the argument first, and are a suspected Duncan/Spurs hater.

if you're not aware, Duncan is a big man, while jordan is just a guard. Big men win championships, not guards.

Duncan is a defensive specialist while jordan was showboating shooter who dumped his wife.

Defense wins championships.

The Big Fundamental is a role model for us all.

Hakeem Olajuwon was drafted before jordan as well.

Hakeem > Bowin > jordan

:king:flag:

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

:ihit

:lmao

[Elraptor]

I'd rather have MJ. Without a doubt.

But TD is right up there as an overall player.

[Tacker]

ROFL your post cracks me up..... How old are you, because its pointless arguing with 5 year olds. Lol lets analyze this ignorant post.


you're just jealous because you didn't think of the argument first, and are a suspected Duncan/Spurs hater.


Thats why in most of the posts Ive posted, Ive always supported the Spurs, you're just too arrogant to realize that


if you're not aware, Duncan is a big man, while jordan is just a guard. Big men win championships, not guards.


Who was the great big man on the Bull's 6 championship run? none. Jordan (guard) dominated all big men during his time, hence Hakeem, Patrick, Robinson, Mourning, Shaq, couldnt win a championship when the "Guard" Michael Jordan was in town.



Duncan is a defensive specialist while jordan was showboating shooter who dumped his wife.


Michael Jordan
Defensive Player of the year:- (1) 1988
All Defensive Team First Team (9) 1988-1998

Tim Duncan
Defensive Player of the year:- (0)
All Defensive Team First Team (7) 1999-2003 , 2005 , 2007


Hakeem Olajuwon was drafted before jordan as well.

Hakeem > Bowin > jordan

ROFL even funnier than your previous post

What does that prove??

Derrick Coleman (1st pick) > Pelvis Ellison (2nd pick) > Darius Miles (3rd pick) > Raymond Felton (5th pick) > Manu Ginobili (54th Pick)

[mavs>spurs2]

Galileo should kill himself..

[Tacker]

Galileo should kill himself..
Thank you

[ipeefreely]

U have to be kidding right?


HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

LOL:lol

[TDfan2007]

Jordan never rolled over and died in games the way Tim has and still does (see today's game against PHX). Jordan was the most supremely confident and skilled player the game has ever seen, on top of being one of its greatest athletes.

I think Tim is an all-time great but he's too inconsistent a scorer to be mentioned in the same sentence as MJ.

[Galileo]

ROFL your post cracks me up..... How old are you, because its pointless arguing with 5 year olds. Lol lets analyze this ignorant post.



Thats why in most of the posts Ive posted, Ive always supported the Spurs, you're just too arrogant to realize that



Who was the great big man on the Bull's 6 championship run? none. Jordan (guard) dominated all big men during his time, hence Hakeem, Patrick, Robinson, Mourning, Shaq, couldnt win a championship when the "Guard" Michael Jordan was in town.




Michael Jordan
Defensive Player of the year:- (1) 1988
All Defensive Team First Team (9) 1988-1998

Tim Duncan
Defensive Player of the year:- (0)
All Defensive Team First Team (7) 1999-2003 , 2005 , 2007



ROFL even funnier than your previous post

What does that prove??

Derrick Coleman (1st pick) > Pelvis Ellison (2nd pick) > Darius Miles (3rd pick) > Raymond Felton (5th pick) > Manu Ginobili (54th Pick)

You make several errors in your analysis. First of all, you can't compare draft order if players were drafted in different years.

Second, Kobe was a high school player, and Ginobili was a foreign player, they can't be compared with college juniors either, based on draft position.

Finally, you're a nut of you think jordan was better on defense than Duncan. Duncan is a big man who patrols the paint.

If jordan were around today, he would be stopped in his tracks by Duncan, if he's lucky enough to get by the pesky Bruce Bowen.

Meanwhile, Duncan would take Bill Cartright and Stacey King to school.

[mavs>spurs2]

Galileo posts while on acid trips

[Tacker]

Melvin Turpin > Otis Thorpe > Tim Mcormick > Leon Wood > John Stockton

You failed again

[Galileo]

Melvin Turpin > Otis Thorpe > Tim Mcormick > Leon Wood > John Stockton

You failed again

1981

Buck Williams > Al Wood

1982

Dominique Wilkins > Bill Garnett

1983

Ralph Sampson > Steve Stipanovich

1984

Bowie > jordan

1985

Ewing > William Tisdale

1986

Brad Daugherty > Chris Washburn

1987

DRob > Armon Gilliam

[Tacker]

Finally, you're a nut of you think jordan was better on defense than Duncan. Duncan is a big man who patrols the paint.

If jordan were around today, he would be stopped in his tracks by Duncan, if he's lucky enough to get by the pesky Bruce Bowen.



First of all dumbass, I never argued that Jordan was a better defensive player then Tim Duncan. Im arguing with what you said about Jordan being a shitty defender

Second of all, Gary Payton is considered one of the greatest if not, THE greatest defensive point guard of all time. If Jordan got past him at ease, then Jordan would definitely get around by Bruce Bowen.

41 year old Michael Jordan vs Prime Bruce Bowen
Here are the stats of Jordan when he played against a prime Bowen back when Jordan was a wizard in 2002 and 2003.

Wizards vs Spurs January 15, 2002 Michael Jordan had Game high 23 points

Spurs vs Wizards December 21, 2002 Michael Jordan had Game high 24 points

Wizards vs Spurs December 31, 2002 Michael Jordan had 20 points

Lol at prime Bruce Bowen not being able to contain a 41 year old guard.

[Brutalis]

MJ was overrated. America is too American and fails at realizing that or seeing that meanwhile can admit to songs that were so bad and movies or random things of the sort. Jordan was great, just not the angelic wizard he is portrayed as.

TD and MJ are on the same level for sure.

BTW I hate the MJ commercial where he goes on about how great he is ruining the damn game. Ironic commercial lmao what a fool he is in person.

[bigbasic]

I've never seen another big man, with so much juice on the clutch... other than perhaps, Hakeem?

Notable clutch shots, one against the Lakers... if it just wasn't for that stupid lucky Derek Fisher shot...
And of course the recent one, game 1 vs. the Suns.

Bottomline : In tight grind-out games, it's always Mighty Duncan that stood up...
offensively and defensively...


All that said, his competitiveness can be compared with MJ,

Of course there's no comparison from a statistical perspective, eh?!

[mavs>spurs2]

MJ was overrated. America is too American and fails at realizing that or seeing that meanwhile can admit to songs that were so bad and movies or random things of the sort. Jordan was great, just not the angelic wizard he is portrayed as.

TD and MJ are on the same level for sure.

BTW I hate the MJ commercial where he goes on about how great he is ruining the damn game. Ironic commercial lmao what a fool he is in person.

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

[Sec24Row7]

First of all dumbass, I never argued that Jordan was a better defensive player then Tim Duncan. Im arguing with what you said about Jordan being a shitty defender

Second of all, Gary Payton is considered one of the greatest if not, THE greatest defensive point guard of all time. If Jordan got past him at ease, then Jordan would definitely get around by Bruce Bowen.

41 year old Michael Jordan vs Prime Bruce Bowen
Here are the stats of Jordan when he played against a prime Bowen back when Jordan was a wizard in 2002 and 2003.

Wizards vs Spurs January 15, 2002 Michael Jordan had Game high 23 points

Spurs vs Wizards December 21, 2002 Michael Jordan had Game high 24 points

Wizards vs Spurs December 31, 2002 Michael Jordan had 20 points

Lol at prime Bruce Bowen not being able to contain a 41 year old guard.

Shooting percentage?

[Tacker]

Shooting percentage?

Wizards vs Spurs January 15, 2002 Jordan had Game high 23 points
0.417%

Spurs vs Wizards December 21, 2002 Michael Jordan had Game high 24 points
0.471%

Wizards vs Spurs December 31, 2002 Michael Jordan had 20 points
0.467%

[dbreiden83080]

Tim has yet to win back-to-back rings.

MJ had TWO three-peats. He got his 1st 3peat, retired for 2 years, came back and got another 3-peat. If he hadn't retired, he would have 8 straight championships. An 8-peat. Reminds you of the Bill Russel era. That's how great MJ was. There was just no discussion. Opposing teams would enter MJ's arena and even THEY knew how much better MJ was.

When MJ retired, players were asked if they would like MJ to come back. Most players were like 'NO!!!!!!' Dan Majerle is famous for saying "Nooooo, please dont come back again. Give others a chance to win"

Duncan on the other hand wins one every few years. Tim is best PF ever, but not MJ. Tim didn't even win MVP Finals last year....

Jordan is the better all time player but if Tim gets one more ring repeat or not that makes 5 titles he will have led the Spurs too. Jordan has 6 so for sure Tim is in the same breath as Jordan, not as good but in his league for sure.

[MiamiHeat]

Jordan's Bulls don't get blown out by 30 in a playoff game. Ever.

You guys are looking at it all wrong.

This is how the order goes.

--------
Michael Jordan
V
V
V
V
V
V
All-time greats and legends like Magic, Bird, and Tim Duncan is here.
V
V
V
V
V
Superstars
V
V
V
V
everyone else

[ClingingMars]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

pointless.

- Mars

[mavs>spurs2]

pointless.

- Mars

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

[ClingingMars]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

you have evolved into troll status.

- Mars

[MiamiHeat]

It's not pointless. He was responding to the guy making fun of americans with stupid stereotypes. Even if it WAS a pointless post, which it wasn't, you made an even more pointless post wasting a post to tell him it was pointless. Just let it go and it dies.

However, he is sending a message to the guy making fun of all americans

[dbreiden83080]

Jordan's Bulls don't get blown out by 30 in a playoff game. Ever.


Jordans Bulls not only got blown out in the playoffs when he was winning but when he was losing he was getting spanked hard by Isiah and the Pistons.

[MiamiHeat]

Show proof or it didn't happen.

[ClingingMars]

It's not pointless. He was responding to the guy making fun of americans with stupid stereotypes. Even if it WAS a pointless post, which it wasn't, you made an even more pointless post wasting a post to tell him it was pointless. Just let it go and it dies.

However, he is sending a message to the guy making fun of all americans

he posted the same thing twice. troll status.

also its a dumb stereotype.

- Mars

[dbreiden83080]

Show proof or it didn't happen.

Are you saying Jordan never got beat down by anyone in the playoffs?? :lol:hat

[DazedAndConfused]

Duncan is probably one of the most consistent superstars to ever play in this league, that's what makes him so great.

But to compare him to Jordan.......anyone who has watched both of these guys in their primes knows what a stupid statement that is.

[MiamiHeat]

Are you saying Jordan never got beat down by anyone in the playoffs?? :lol:hat
Still no proof of the 30 point beatdown?

I see. All talk you are

[Tacker]

Jordans Bulls not only got blown out in the playoffs when he was winning but when he was losing he was getting spanked hard by Isiah and the Pistons.

and the spurs were spanked by the bulls hence the Spurs never won a title when jordan was in town

[dbreiden83080]

Still no proof of the 30 point beatdown?

I see. All talk you are

:lmao

You really are clueless aren't you???

[dbreiden83080]

and the spurs were spanked by the bulls hence the Spurs never won a title when jordan was in town

Been watching the NBA for 5 min i see. :hat:lmao

[MONTENEGRINO]

So did Jordan in 91 who was the only allstar on that Bulls team (pippen had bad season that year)
Yes, Scottie had bad season, but the way he played Magic Johnson in finals wasn't seen after that.

[sickdsm]

Jordan never had a teamate that was better than him coming off the bench to save his ass consistanty.

Nor a teamate win the finals MVP.

Duncan has a couple years where its debateable if he's even the best player on his team, lol. This is as rediculous as the Celtics/Bulls discussion.

I'm sure Justin Morneau would be a helluva lot better than Babe ruth if they were in the same era but there not. Jordan became a man among boys. If it was more competiteve for him, Jordan could have won EASILY 8 in a row. Duncan has never been that much better than everyone else.

[MONTENEGRINO]

Nor a teamate win the finals MVP.

Who COULD take MVP beside Jordan? Even if Hakeem, sir Charles, Pip and Magic were in Bulls uniform at the same time as MJ, he easily would be MVP.
Hands down, there is no player in history of the league that could be compared to MJ.

[MONTENEGRINO]

Jordan's Bulls don't get blown out by 30 in a playoff game. Ever.

You guys are looking at it all wrong.

This is how the order goes.

--------
Michael Jordan
V
V
V
V
V
V
All-time greats and legends like Magic, Bird, and Tim Duncan is here.
V
V
V
V
V
Superstars
V
V
V
V
everyone else
I'd say

JORDAN
V
V
V
V
V
Russell, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Tim Duncan
V
V
V
V
Kareem, Wilt,
V
V
V
V
V
V
Who cares?!

[stretch]

I understand the comparison in this thread.

IMO, a better comparison in terms of guard to forward/center, would be Magic and Duncan.

Both came into the league and immediately started winning titles. They both always though their careers put the teams interests first and foremost and cared about winning more than anything. They both are more than capable of taking over games when needed to, but choose to always get their teammates involved early in the game to keep defenses more honest and get their teammates confidence up early in the game so that they can be more reliable late in games as well.

Magic was the ultimate team player at guard, and Duncan is the ultimate team player at forward/center.

[stretch]

all of you idiots that took Galileo's posts seriously, fail.

[Galileo]

Bulls 1993 w/ jordan = 57 wins

Bulls 1994 w/out jordan = 55 wins

there you have it.

jordan is worth two wins to your team per season.

No wonder Bowie was drafted before jordan.

[mavs>spurs2]

This sonnet compares the speaker's lover to a number of other beauties--and never in the lover's favor. Her eyes are "nothing like the sun," her lips are less red than coral; compared to white snow, her breasts are dun-colored, and her hairs are like black wires on her head. In the second quatrain, the speaker says he has seen roses separated by color ("damasked") into red and white, but he sees no such roses in his mistress's cheeks; and he says the breath that "reeks" from his mistress is less delightful than perfume. In the third quatrain, he admits that, though he loves her voice, music "hath a far more pleasing sound," and that, though he has never seen a goddess, his mistress--unlike goddesses--walks on the ground. In the couplet, however, the speaker declares that, "by heav'n," he thinks his love as rare and valuable "As any she belied with false compare"--that is, any love in which false comparisons were invoked to describe the loved one's beauty.

[Galileo]

Spurs 1997 w/out Duncan = 20 wins

Spurs 1998 w/ Duncan = 56 wins

there you have it.

Duncan is worth 36 wins to your team per season

36 > 2

Duncan > jordan

[mavs>spurs2]

Spurs 1997 w/out Duncan = 20 wins

Spurs 1998 w/ Duncan = 56 wins

there you have it.

Duncan is worth 36 wins to your team per season

36 > 2

Duncan > jordan

Ever tried smokin weed soaked in embalming fluid?

[Galileo]

Ever tried smokin weed soaked in embalming fluid?

Hornets > mavs

Spurs > mavs

36 > 2

Duncan > jordan

:ihit

[dbreiden83080]

Duncan has a couple years where its debateable if he's even the best player on his team,


:lmao:lmao

By all means what years were those and how much crack would someone have to smoke to come to that conclusion??? :hat

[bobbyjoe]

2007-2008...This is the one year the argument can be made...No crack needed, whatsoever

[dbreiden83080]

2007-2008...This is the one year the argument can be made...No crack needed, whatsoever

It can't be made this year either and it's not even close. Nobody on the Spurs does more on both ends than Tim Duncan, and nobody is more critical to their success.

[sickdsm]

I've been here long enough to see you fools debateing about this. Obviously this year is one of them.


You debateing about it just furthers my point.

:lol

[Brutalis]

Lmao I wasn't 'dissing americans'

Fact is MJ is overrated, most of us are too ignorant over being in that era to take a step back and see that simple fact.

[freemeat]

if you were doing a 1st team all-time, i think it would be:

PG - Magic
SG - Michael
SF - Larry
PF - Tim
C - Wilt

I think that would put them in the same league and conversation.

Period.

You win the BK Breakfast Burrito Thing -- or whatever the fuck it is. :bking