The Jason Kidd Experiment

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THE JASON KIDD EXPERIMENT

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[spursfan09]

I wanna feel bad for the guy, but its hard to since he turned down the chance to play with Tim Duncan.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I wanna feel bad for the guy, but its hard to since he turned down the chance to play with Tim Duncan.

And beat up his Wife and Mother of his children.

[ducks]

thank god he did
parker>kidd

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Jason Kidd has(d) all the PG skills, but he has no brains.

Even if they had a good coach to use him, they still would suck, he's the PG equivalent of Shaq this year. Him trying to post up and losing the ball in traffic was just sad.

Then that frustration foul

[StylisticS]

I wanna feel bad for the guy, but its hard to since he turned down the chance to play with Tim Duncan.


Wait a minute. Shouldn't you be happy that he actually did that?

[spursfan09]

Wait a minute. Shouldn't you be happy that he actually did that?

Oh yeah I didn't want him to come. I am happy Parker stayed because look at him now. I am just saying I see Jkidd out there and he is at the end of his career; you can tell he wants to win and is getting desperate. But he had his chance to play with Tim Duncan who's team is in contention every year.

[spursfan09]

And beat up his Wife and Mother of his children.

True, I was just speaking in a basketball sense and his career is coming to an end and still no championship.

[StylisticS]

Oh yeah I didn't want him to come. I am happy Parker stayed because look at him now. I am just saying I see Jkidd out there and he is at the end of his career; you can tell he wants to win and is getting desperate. But he had his chance to play with Tim Duncan who's team is in contention every year.

Gotcha. Makes sense.

[baseline bum]

What a trainwreck. I called it from the second the trade was announced; not only was it bad for the matchup with the Spurs, but it was stupid period. I wouldn't have traded Harris for Kidd straight up, much less give up Diop and two decent first rounders on top of that.

To think, they were on pace for 57 wins before the Kidd trade even with all the games Harris missed. After the Kidd trade, they played at a 42 win pace.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

True, I was just speaking in a basketball sense and his career is coming to an end and still no championship.

Sorry I saw the picture of the family in the tub and could not help thinking what a piece of shit he is. My Bad.:toast

[sribb43]

Avery Johnson = The death of JKidd

[baseline bum]

Old age = the death of Jason Kidd

[sribb43]

Old age = the death of Jason Kidd

Check the stats of Jkidd pre-Mavs then post Mavs this season..Avery doesnt know how to utilize his players strengths, instead he exploits their weakness even more

[spursfan09]

Sorry I saw the picture of the family in the tub and could not help thinking what a piece of shit he is. My Bad.:toast

It's cool, ofcourse thats another reason to not feel bad for him...

[Bob Lanier]

Check the stats of Jkidd pre-Mavs then post Mavs this season..Avery doesnt know how to utilize his players strengths, instead he exploits their weakness even more
I dunno, the stats from two of the biggest games of his career look pretty similar to me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200405200DET.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008042706

Another point guard goes all Jason Kidd on his ass under pressure (maybe not the best analogy).

[endrity]

At this point we can all admit it:

The Jason Kidd Experiment FAILED!!! Not only for this year, but also for the next ones because we did give up a lot. Whether it was because Avery's a coach or not, I don't know. The Mavs were the 1 seed in the west at the beginning of the year. Then Harris got injured, the FO panicked, and they made a trade which put us 7th in the West. That is the story of this season, and probably beyond as well.

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[spursfan09]

Thank God Pargo made sure he fell hands first. At first all I saw was his head hitting the ground.

[remingtonbo2001]

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Pargo looks like a cat falling from the tree.

[MajorMike]

At this point we can all admit it:

The Jason Kidd Experiment FAILED!!! Not only for this year, but also for the next ones because we did give up a lot. Whether it was because Avery's a coach or not, I don't know. The Mavs were the 1 seed in the west at the beginning of the year. Then Harris got injured, the FO panicked, and they made a trade which put us 7th in the West. That is the story of this season, and probably beyond as well.


I wouldn't be suprised at all if Dallas disappears something like the TWolves with KG after their #1 seed year.

[Indazone]

And I Didn't Even Start This Thread Lol

[Spurminator]

A trade had to be made. But it looks like this was the wrong one to make... If Dallas could go back and do it again, I'm betting they'd keep Harris and try to package Howard for a star...

[DaDakota]

At this point we can all admit it:

The Jason Kidd Experiment FAILED!!! Not only for this year, but also for the next ones because we did give up a lot. Whether it was because Avery's a coach or not, I don't know. The Mavs were the 1 seed in the west at the beginning of the year. Then Harris got injured, the FO panicked, and they made a trade which put us 7th in the West. That is the story of this season, and probably beyond as well.

I am DaDakota and I endorse this post !

DD

[stretch]

I am DaDakota and I endorse this post !

DD

GTFO

[Findog]

I'll put it this way: point guard wasn't exactly the biggest weakness on the team. I think Jason Kidd has something still left in the tank, but you have to run to get the best results from him, and this team doesn't do that.

I wouldn't have made the trade myself, but I didn't think we were going to win a title as is, so I was fine with it up to a certain point. Dirk has certainly played better since Kidd arrived, but the results speak for themselves: a 57-win pace when the trade was made, a 42-win pace afterwards. The biggest weaknesses this team had before the trade was lack of post-scoring and lack of scoring from the two guard, along with weak coaching. The trade really didn't address any of those areas.

Your trade chips are Josh Howard, Brandon Bass and Kidd's expiring contract. Maybe they can turn that into something good this summer, but I won't hold my breath. Our status as an elite team has come to an end. If all you do is change coaches and bring the same team back next year, they'll be fighting with Golden State and Portland for the 8 seed.

[Findog]

It doesn't matter if our PG is Kidd or Devin in this series when our "2nd-best" player is shooting 28% from the floor and exhibiting terrible shot selection.

[Indazone]

Hey maybe you guys can dump some contracts for Shawn Marion.

[stretch]

Someone the other day brought up a good idea...

Trade Howard for Jason Richardson.

Howard clearly wants out, and wants to go back to NC.

Apparently the Bobcats are not extremely happy with the production that Richardson gave them.

Richardson always hits open 3s, and is athletic out of this world, and doesnt need to dominate the ball to get his points, but can still score lots of points effectively and consistently... exactly what we need.

I would do anything to get him here, and get Howard the fuck out of Dallas.

[monosylab1k]

The trade was necessary. The team was stagnant and Dirk was looking completely unmotivated.

Unfortunately, Avery & Kidd are like gasoline & water. And to be honest, Kidd isn't providing the leadership & mental toughness I thought he would. It appears the Mavs scared, timid attitude has rubbed off on him instead.

The Mavericks had to do something, and I applaud them for having the balls to make a big trade. It's just too bad that Smokey went to shit & their head coach went braindead.

Blow the entire team up and start over. Giving Dirk/Kidd another shot will not amount to a title. Just blow it up now and maybe you can get Michael Beasley or Derrick Rose. Get rid of the big contracts and maybe you can sign Kevin Durant when his rookie contract is up.

[E20]

Why not just trade for the whole 2006-2007 GS Warrior team, so then they can never get into the way of the Mavs?

[monosylab1k]

Why not just trade for the whole 2006-2007 GS Warrior team, so then they can never get into the way of the Mavs?

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

[Indazone]

Why not just trade for the whole 2006-2007 GS Warrior team, so then they can never get into the way of the Mavs?


:lol hahahaha

[E20]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

That was the 1st time I was responded with taht. :lol

I'm predicting the Mavs in 7 and a fan of Dirk so silenceio profavor.

[spursfan09]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

I don't get it. Why do ya'll do that? I want to know. It's stupid, but yet I think its funny in a way. But it makes me feel stupid because I don't get it but yet I laugh...

[Indazone]

Cause that's what they post when they can't come up with anything original to say anymore. It was funny the first few times but now it's like some moronic...I got nothing so I'll post this.

[monosylab1k]

Cause that's what they post when they can't come up with anything original to say anymore. It was funny the first few times but now it's like some moronic...I got nothing so I'll post this.

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

[Str8Ballin]

I bet New Jersey does better than the Mavs next year. Giving up Harris was fucking retarded.

[bdictjames]

I don't get it. Why do ya'll do that? I want to know. It's stupid, but yet I think its funny in a way. But it makes me feel stupid because I don't get it but yet I laugh...

I dont get it too, but a good guess would be he's referring to a big Internet tough guy.

[Findog]

I'm pissed that Kidd ISN'T going to be suspended. How is the horsecollar okay, but Jerry Stackhouse simply delivering a hard foul on Shaq isn't?

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm pissed that Kidd ISN'T going to be suspended. How is the horsecollar okay, but Jerry Stackhouse simply delivering a hard foul on Shaq isn't?


Jerry Stackhouse isn't Jason Kidd

[Findog]

Jerry Stackhouse isn't Jason Kidd

Yep, Fuehrer Stern and his inconsistent standards.

[resistanze]

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LOL.

[sribb43]

I'm pissed that Kidd ISN'T going to be suspended. How is the horsecollar okay, but Jerry Stackhouse simply delivering a hard foul on Shaq isn't?

No Joke, Stern had it out for us in the 2006 Finals, I knew it. :bang JKidds foul was 100X worse than Stack

[resistanze]

No Joke, Stern had it out for us in the 2006 Finals, I knew it. :bang JKidds foul was 100X worse than Stack
I'd say they were about equal. Props to Stack though, he laid Shaw the FUCK out.:lol

AJz6Op1cBTQ

[Findog]

I'd say they were about equal. Props to Stack though, he laid Shaw the FUCK out.:lol

AJz6Op1cBTQ

No, Stack was trying to make a play on the ball, he accidentally raked Shaq across the face. It was an F1 and nothing more. :bang

[shelshor]

Jerry Stackhouse isn't Jason Kidd

And Pargo isn't high enough on the food chain; now if Kidd had done that to
C3PO it would have been the last play of his career

[sribb43]

I'd say they were about equal. Props to Stack though, he laid Shaw the FUCK out.:lol

AJz6Op1cBTQ

Wow that was the first time i actually agreed with Mike Breen he was right on the money with the commentary...unfortunately the sorry ass league office has other agenda's than maintaining the credibility of the league

[Findog]

unfortunately the sorry ass league office has other agenda's than maintaining the credibility of the league

Collusion and sleazy trades = Lakers versus Celtics! Sorry Spurs, but you aint gettin' any calls in the Conference Finals.

[resistanze]

No, Stack was trying to make a play on the ball, he accidentally raked Shaq across the face. It was an F1 and nothing more. :bang
I don't know, man. Stack's forearm came into contact with Shaq's neck before he even came near the ball.

I mean, Kidd made a play on the ball with his right hand, while simultaneously throwing Pargo down with his left hand. In any case, I wouldn't see why Kidd is punished any less than Stack.

[sribb43]

if Shaq wasnt such a fat ass it would have looked so bad

[Taco]

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CHECK OUT JOSH HOWARD'S D

[sribb43]

J-Ho sucks...the once good defender has no dropped below Dirk and JET in terms of defensive ability

[Shank]

On one hand, I feel badly for Howard. On the other, he makes a shitload of money to do what he does and couldn't give a rat's ass about what I think of him, so fuck him.

[sribb43]

On one hand, I feel badly for Howard. On the other, he makes a shitload of money to do what he does and couldn't give a rat's ass about what I think of him, so fuck him.

:lmao

[Amare_32]

And his season might end tomorrow with him being suspended for Game 5.

[Tacker]

he turned down the chance to play with Tim Duncan.

explain when how and where

[Shank]

And his season might end tomorrow with him being suspended for Game 5.

Nah, he's clear. OH HAPPY DAY!

But Avery was pissed off, cancelled practice today and yelled something about "You guys don't listen to me anyway" before getting ready to leave town. Great. Tomorrow night might be one of those games where they just roll the shit out there, the players call all their own shots and make their own substitutions. I can't tell if it will be hilarious or just downright pathetic.

Burger King :bking

[monosylab1k]

But Avery was pissed off, cancelled practice today and yelled something about "You guys don't listen to me anyway" before getting ready to leave town.

It's probably tough to take anything he says seriously when he's putting JJ Barea out there in the middle of the game. Pretty obvious he's doing everything he can to get fired.

[Shank]

But they actually held a player's-only practice this morning.

The clusterfuckery continues. It's Titanic-like. We only need the topper to be that Cuban is openly gay.

Wait...what's that?

[And1Mak]

The Jason Kidd Experiment failed miserably.
The Mavs were 1st in the West this season with Harris.
First. In a conference with 8 50-win teams, we were #1.

Stumbled a bit when Harris got injured, and made a panic trade.
:bang
And now, this is happening.

You spurs fans have got to be ecstatic Jason Kidd didn't join your team a few years back...Duncan-Parker are now a great duo (as Dirk-Harris would have been) and now your biggest rivals (Mavs) are a joke.

Jason Kidd, the gift that keeps on giving to the San Antonio Spurs.

He ran Byron Scott out of town, and now Avery Johnson is next.
The 2006 and 2008 NBA Coaches of the year, fired because Kidd is too needy/arrogant.
Can't believe he said something like, "Dirk needs to learn geometry, it's all about learning the angles of the game."
Kidd=arrogant senior citizen, Richard Jefferson was right.

Cuban needs to realize Kidd is only going to decline further when he turns 36 next season and make use of his $21M expiring contract for player(s) who will actually help this team.
TRADE JASON KIDD.

[Amare_32]

But they actually held a player's-only practice this morning.

The clusterfuckery continues. It's Titanic-like. We only need the topper to be that Cuban is openly gay.

Wait...what's that?

What did they practice? Thier post season speech once they get eliminated?

[monosylab1k]

What did they practice? Thier post season speech once they get eliminated?

They're just gonna steal the ones Phoenix already wrote up.

[Shank]

What did they practice?

Jumpshots and having your hearts ripped out in front of a large viewing audience. What else?

[spursfan09]

explain when how and where

03 spurs offered to sign him and he didn't take it.

[Red Hawk #21]

The Jason Kidd Experiment failed miserably.
The Mavs were 1st in the West this season with Harris.
First. In a conference with 8 50-win teams, we were #1.

Stumbled a bit when Harris got injured, and made a panic trade.
:bang
And now, this is happening.

You spurs fans have got to be ecstatic Jason Kidd didn't join your team a few years back...Duncan-Parker are now a great duo (as Dirk-Harris would have been) and now your biggest rivals (Mavs) are a joke.

Jason Kidd, the gift that keeps on giving to the San Antonio Spurs.

He ran Byron Scott out of town, and now Avery Johnson is next.
The 2006 and 2008 NBA Coaches of the year, fired because Kidd is too needy/arrogant.
Can't believe he said something like, "Dirk needs to learn geometry, it's all about learning the angles of the game."
Kidd=arrogant senior citizen, Richard Jefferson was right.

Cuban needs to realize Kidd is only going to decline further when he turns 36 next season and make use of his $21M expiring contract for player(s) who will actually help this team.
TRADE JASON KIDD.

I agree with this post, when I was hearing about the trade talks of Kidd for Harris I was shocked, I wouldn't even do this trade straight up. I can't believe Kidd is making 21 mill that's fucking ridiculous. I really like Kidd but he's not the same and Cuban and Mavs fans should realize that. Harris was pretty good imo