Rev. Wright

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Is this guy trying to make sure Obama loses or something? I don't think Hillary could come up with enough money to pay for this kind of negative publicity for Obama. :lol

Oh, and Rev. Wright, most people know Arabic is a language and not a religion, quit being such a condescending dick to your fellow Americans.

[Don Quixote]

I personally like Wright, and hope he continues to play a role in Sen. Obama's campaign for President.

In fact, I would like him to get his own talk show on national TV. We need people like him to forcefully and intelligently discuss issues of race and power.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol

the media is jacking off to this wright thing like tpark on christmas ham

[Don Quixote]

I'd wank it in public if I could get Wright on TV every day. He's high comedy!

And America needs to hear the profound words of this great man!

[Pick of Destiny]

Like any of you where going to vote for his black ass in the first place!

And if you were?......... then the Rev's words will not change your mind, it may even enhance it further.

[possessed]

I personally like Wright, and hope he continues to play a role in Sen. Obama's campaign for President.

In fact, I would like him to get his own talk show on national TV. We need people like him to forcefully and intelligently discuss issues of race and power.

Not a terrible idea, maybe Farrakhan could be a member of his panel.

A nice long speech at the DNC is another nice idea.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Like any of you where going to vote for his black ass in the first place!

And if you were?......... then the Rev's words will not change your mind, it may even enhance it further.

Way to bring race into it :tu

I'm not sure how you could have your mind enhanced by what this jackass has to say. He compares the U.S. Marines to the Roman Legions who killed Jesus. He compared the U.S. flag to that flown by Al Qaeda. That's a little over the top wouldn't you say?

And Obama believes in this guy's teachings and that doesn't scare you as an American?

[Pick of Destiny]

Last I check the man has an "ass" check! and it was "black" check! so if you read into it any further then maybe your really a racist deep down inside, after all the average person would know what I was saying.

[boutons_]

The linkage of Wright and Obama is total right-wing false bullshit. Has nothing to do with anything.

The linkage between McFlopPander and dubya is more real, more relevant, more dangerous to USA.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The linkage of Wright and Obama is total right-wing false bullshit. Has nothing to do with anything.
.
he was apart of his congregation for 20 years
he led him to Christ
he married him
he baptized his kids
and he named his book after one of his teaching.


yeah. no linkage at all.

i've got the gun that jfk was killed with that i want to sell you. it's been cleaned and new bullets will be included. therefore.....NO LINKAGE!!!

[boutons_]

no linkage between Obama's politics and policies and Wright.

Anyway, what is so wrong with Wright? Like many old time black pastors/warriors, he's extremely unhappy with how America has abused black people. Is he wrong? Unjustified?

McFlopPander is much more deeply and more relevantly linked to the total failures of dubya, all of which McFlopPander would continue, but McFlopPander gets a pass. GMAFB

Obama-Wright linkage is a Clinton/swift-boat/Repug/RNC linkage of total political slime.

[carib]

If Rev Wright did not know Mt Obama would any one care about what he thinks or what he has to say? so I asked a second question does America have a race problem.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

no linkage between Obama's politics and policies and Wright.

Anyway, what is so wrong with Wright? Like many old time black pastors/warriors, he's extremely unhappy with how America has abused black people. Is he wrong? Unjustified?



he sat in his church, listened to the man, gave tithes, invited his friends to church and you can't see how that could slightly influence him. i'm sorry. we bombed nagasaki and hiroshima a little over 50 years ago, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and they've gotten over it. i don't see anything to this degree coming from them. in fact they've surpassed us in many many ways. i think other people that have felt "wronged" should follow suit. this is life. life ain't fair. i'm sorry, but that's what i believe. black people wronged? what color is the richest woman and the past two secretary of states? i'm sure there are other, but those are the main ones that stick out in my head...........oh yeah and possibly the next democratic nominee. give me a break

[Viva Las Espuelas]

If Rev Wright did not know Mt Obama would any one care about what he thinks or what he has to say? to a degree.


so I asked a second question does America have a race problem.to a degree

[GaryJohnston]

I personally like Wright, and hope he continues to play a role in Sen. Obama's campaign for President.

In fact, I would like him to get his own talk show on national TV. We need people like him to forcefully and intelligently discuss issues of race and power.

::lmao

[GaryJohnston]

You know Obama would just like Wright to shut the fuck up and go away. But Obama made his bed with him so he'll have to deal with it

[GaryJohnston]

Anyway, what is so wrong with Wright? Like many old time black pastors/warriors, he's extremely unhappy with how America has abused black people. Is he wrong? Unjustified?


If you have to ask, America is indeed in sad shape.

Fuck it, bring on repriations. Never move forward. Aways remember and remain bitter. Oh, and curse our country while your at it.

[USA Employee]

You know Obama would just like Wright to shut the fuck up and go away. But Obama made his bed with him so he'll have to deal with it


Not true he could have stopped going to his church when he decided to run for office. How hard is that?

He also could have ask his militant Negro friend to chill out and maybe take a vacation in deep woods of Mississippi for a few months.


All of this could have been avoided but he just can't seem to see that far ahead and you want him president?

[GaryJohnston]

Not true he could have stopped going to his church when he decided to run for office. How hard is that?

He also could have ask his militant Negro friend to chill out and maybe take a vacation in deep woods of Mississippi for a few months.


All of this could have been avoided but he just can't seem to see that far ahead and you want him president?

No, I don't want him to be President. Lack of the experience and judgement he has, has made me realize that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The linkage of Wright and Obama is total right-wing false bullshit. Has nothing to do with anything.

The linkage between McFlopPander and dubya is more real, more relevant, more dangerous to USA.

:lol Yeah, there's no linkage between Wright and Obama. There's not one between peanut butter and jelly, either. Thanks for setting us all straight.

The scary thing is you are so fucking set on Obama you are unwilling to process any facts that don't paint the picture of him as your knight in shining armor.

[Don Quixote]

::lmao

I see at least one guy got my sarcasm.

Really. I would love for Wright to get his own show. Or at least be on Oprah 2-3 times a week. That would be awesome.

But no censors or scripts. I want him to say what he means to say. So everyone can be clear about him.

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone flat out asked Obama what he believes?

Or do they just think he has been programmed by Wright and Muslim clerics?

[boutons_]

"fucking set on Obama"

process of elimination.

You are "fucking set" on whom?

None of them are perfect.
Obama is the best of the three.

Actually, better, because dubya II isn't even under consideration.

Obama's link to Wright is not a deal-killer. And what is so wrong with Wright's attitude? These old black people have been handed a lot of shit by whites. All black still get handed shit every day, an indicated by Obama's race alone being the deal-killer for 10s of millions of Americans.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

None of them are perfect.
amen.



Obama is the best of the three.

oh yeah. get ready for this.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-2433



Obama's link to Wright is not a deal-killer. And what is so wrong with Wright's attitude? These old black people have been handed a lot of shit by whites. All black still get handed shit every day, an indicated by Obama's race alone being the deal-killer for 10s of millions of Americans.did germany hold a Hug-A-Jew day back in the 50's 60's 70's or ever? come one man. if you hold on to oppression you will forever be oppressed. ask japan for pointers.

[ChumpDumper]

did germany hold a Hug-A-Jew day back in the 50's 60's 70's or ever? come one man. if you hold on to oppression you will forever be oppressed. ask japan for pointers.That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There are only a couple hundred thousand Jews in Germany, but Judaism has been elevated to the same status as Catholicism by the government and antisemitism and holocaust denial are dealt with pretty harshly.

As for Japan -- what are we supposed to ask them? They have historically been the oppressors and are in near-complete denial of their ruthless occupations of China and Korea, for example.

[carib]

Why people are trying to prove some linkage between Mr. Obama and Rev Wright, and not find some truth to what Rev Wright is saying. But no one will try to do so we are just going to continue switching the focus and not address the real issues.

[xrayzebra]

Well, Well! BO has now thrown the Rev. Wright under the same bus he threw his Grandmother. And The Rev. Wright says BO is just another politician doing whatever he needs to to get elected. Maybe BO really does have BO. Guess Wright shouldn't have confirmed that he really did say all those things and meant them

[ChumpDumper]

huh?

[boutons_]

"if you hold on to oppression you will forever be oppressed."

The USA whiteman oppresses the blacks and women and other ethnic daily.

Women who do exactly the same job a men make 30% less, confirmed as OK by dubya's Supreme Court recently, etc, etc.

who is "holding on to oppression"?

[JoeChalupa]

Obama has denounced Rev. Wright's latest comments.

[JoeChalupa]

Well, Well! BO has now thrown the Rev. Wright under the same bus he threw his Grandmother. And The Rev. Wright says BO is just another politician doing whatever he needs to to get elected. Maybe BO really does have BO. Guess Wright shouldn't have confirmed that he really did say all those things and meant them

Oh come on now. You crack me up. :lmao

[PEP]

"if you hold on to oppression you will forever be oppressed."

The USA whiteman oppresses the blacks and women and other ethnic daily.

Women who do exactly the same job a men make 30% less, confirmed as OK by dubya's Supreme Court recently, etc, etc.

who is "holding on to oppression"?
Then what the fuck are you still doing in this country?? Move to Venezuela or Iran, I'm sure you'd feel better there.

[JoeChalupa]

I LOVE THE USA!!!!

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"if you hold on to oppression you will forever be oppressed."

The USA whiteman oppresses the blacks and women and other ethnic daily.

Women who do exactly the same job a men make 30% less, confirmed as OK by dubya's Supreme Court recently, etc, etc.

who is "holding on to oppression"?

I'm a white American male. Tell me exactly what I did to oppress 'the blacks and women and other ethnics' today, out of curiosity.

[Don Quixote]

I'm a white male, and I'm proud to say I've never oppressed anybody -- black, white, Mexican, man or woman. I don't have the desire to, and don't have the power to anyway. None of us do.

[NASCARdad]

Things were okay up until the 60's.

[Don Quixote]

It's good to know that Obama has finally "denounced" this guy Wright. With Obama, it's not always easy to know what his words mean, but for now, we can take it on faith that he's ended his association with the Rev.

It's also good to know that Wright's views do not completely represent Obama's, at least not in the particulars. This is not surprising -- it is rare indeed to find an attendee of any church that always agrees with the pastor 100% on everything, including the particulars. However, attendees will always agree with the pastor in the overall "vision" or general teachings of the church, with disagreements being over minor or peripheral issues.

So ... even though it's probably true that Obama doesn't believe Wright's drivel about "our chickens coming home to roost on 9/11," "govmint created AIDS to kill the black man," et al, you can be sure that Obama subscribes to the overall body of belief that Wright teaches. If he didn't, Obama sure wouldn't have stayed 20 yrs. He'd have found another church.

[Don Quixote]

On the other hand ... Obama is a postmodern. To a PM, objective propositional truth is either impossible to know altogether, or truth is a relative matter that changes from person to person. So, I guess in Obama's universe, someone could indeed be a member of Church X for his whole life, but interpret it as Y, and really believe Y. If Obama can prove that this is where he stands, then maybe he gets out of this.

Then again, I don't think I want a postmodern president.

[ChumpDumper]

You really couldn't be any more full of shit.

[Don Quixote]

Um. Okay. Intelligent. Thanks for the feedback.

Moving on, I really would like Wright to get his own show. That would be awesome.

[ChumpDumper]

No problem.

I enjoy seeing just how full of shit one poster can be. You are closing in on Yonivore :tu

[Clandestino]

Rev Wright is the typical black person. They are never happy for each other. If a black man becomes successful instead of being happy he wants to bring him down. They don't like it when someone is going to get out of the hood.

[Don Quixote]

I enjoy seeing just how full of crap one poster can be. You are closing in on Yonivore

Oh really.

Well, I take it there's something which I've said with which you disagree. That's okay -- this is an open forum. By all means, if you have a better idea about the matter, I'm all ears. And do please say something of substance, either in support of your position or critiquing mine. I'm assuming, after all, that you are an adult.

But I will not fling poo with you or anyone.

[Clandestino]

"if you hold on to oppression you will forever be oppressed."

The USA whiteman oppresses the blacks and women and other ethnic daily.

Women who do exactly the same job a men make 30% less, confirmed as OK by dubya's Supreme Court recently, etc, etc.

who is "holding on to oppression"?

Which field are you referring to?

[ChumpDumper]

Oh really.

Well, I take it there's something which I've said with which you disagree. That's okay -- this is an open forum. By all means, if you have a better idea about the matter, I'm all ears. And do please say something of substance, either in support of your position or critiquing mine. I'm assuming, after all, that you are an adult.

But I will not fling poo with you or anyone.No need to misquote.

I said you are full of shit. Not much else need to be said. It's pretty apparent.

[Don Quixote]

Okay, then.

I will discuss politics with the adults.

[ChumpDumper]

You are free to be as full of shit as you like.

[Suns Fan]

Olama fucked up when he lied on Opra and said he was not going to run for president.

Any fool that says they went to a church for 20 years and just now found out how the preacher feels about America and whitey is either a liar or one stupid mother fucker. I can tell by just 30 minutes in here what kind of asshat Chump and Randomguy are and he had 20 years?

Sorry Joe chalupa I know your wanted a bro-tha in the "white" house but maybe next time this lying peanut headed wigger has to go!

[Dim Tuncan]

Well, Well! BO has now thrown the Rev. Wright under the same bus he threw his Grandmother. And The Rev. Wright says BO is just another politician doing whatever he needs to to get elected. Maybe BO really does have BO. Guess Wright shouldn't have confirmed that he really did say all those things and meant them

must suk 2 be a libs with patreeits like this messin up ur day w/facts!!!:toast:lmao:hat:hat:lobt2::lobt::lobt::ihi t

[Nbadan]

I don't expect any of the reactionaries to think about what it in this article, but for those of us who actually think before reacting, here is some food for thought...

Wright, Jefferson and the Wrath of God
posted by John Nichols on 04/29/2008 @ 5:05pm

"Just maybe now as that dialogue begins the religious tradition that has kept hope alive for a people struggling to survive in countless hopeless situations will be understood."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, April 28, 2008


The right response to the controversy that has been generated with regard to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. is not to run away from the United Church of Christ pastor, to condemn him, or to try to apologize for him.

Rather, it is to listen to him and to recognize that Wright's not the disease that afflicts our body politic.

Indeed, this former Marine who became an remarkably-successful and widely-respected religious leader is in possession of the balm that has frequently proven to be the cure for what ails America -- an eyes-wide-open faith in the prospect that this country can and will put aside the sins of the past and forge a future that is as just as it is righteous.

As Wright has illustrated over the past several days, in a remarkable appearance Friday on PBS' Bill Moyers Journal and in speeches to the Detroit NAACP and the National Press Club in Washington, he is the opposite of the caricature of an angry, America-hating false prophet that has been so crudely attached to him. Deeply grounded in biblical tradition, nuanced in his understanding of race relations and historically experienced in his assessments of America's strengths and weaknesses, he has much to say to this country at this time.

Not all of what Wright says is comforting.

Nor are his views universally appealing or entirely unassailable.

But they are very much within the mainstream of American religious and political discourse.

The problem is not Jeremiah Wright.

The problem is a contemporary political culture that has come to rely on character assassination as an easy tool for reversing electoral misfortune -- and a media that willingly invites manipulation.

Let's not forget how Wright became an issue in the 2008 presidential race. Republican operatives, fretful about their party's political fortunes, decided that the only way to weaken the candidacy of Wright's longtime parishioner, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, was by suggesting the Democratic presidential front-runner was in the sway of an anti-American radical.

That end was achieved by separating out from long and thoughtful sermons regarding matters biblical and political seemingly offensive phrases and then inviting the Grand Old Party's media echo chamber to repeat the sound bites until they became conventional "wisdom."

This is a classic guilt-by-association maneuver, played out so aggressively in the current circumstance that it would make Joe McCarthy blush. But it has worked, at least in part because people of good faith have not taken the time to assess and appropriately answer the charge that Obama's connection to Wright confirms the candidate to be either a closet radical or, worse yet, a dupe of some free-floating, ill-defined but still frightful fringe.

The response of Obama -- most recently in an extended and at times painful press conference on Tuesday -- and of many of his supporters has been to try to put distance between the candidate and the preacher. "They offend me," the senator said of controversial comments by the minister who presided at his wedding and baptized his children. "They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced. And that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally today."

That's strong stuff, to be sure. But it is not likely to end the wrangling over Wright.

While it is always good to maintain America's historic wall of separation between church and state, the Obama camp has not had a lot of success so far in separating this particular statesman from his church.

That's because the candidate and his backers have consistently come across as being embarrassed and ashamed by Wright.

That's the wrong response. It's perfectly fine to disagree with Wright. And Barack Obama should do so.

But there's little if anything about this pastor that should provoke embarrassment or invite apology.

Wright can be unsettling, thought-provoking, often right and sometimes wrong. But he is neither anti-American nor unpatriotic.

In more ways than Republican and now Democratic critics seem prepared to admit, Wright is the embodiment of an American religious and political tradition of challenging the country's sins while calling it to the higher ground that extends from the founding of the republic. No less a figure than Thomas Jefferson -- who constructed that wall of separation between church and state but who worried a good deal about questions of the divine -- worried openly about the retribution that would befall a nation that permitted slavery.

"The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other," wrote Jefferson in 1781's Notes on the State of Virginia, where he asked, "(Can) the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever."

The wrath of God brought down on a country that permits slavery? A nation damned by its original sin? God damn America?

America has been blessed from its beginnings by champions of liberty, by abolitionists and civil rights marchers, by suffragists and union organizers, by anti-imperialists like Mark Twain and challengers of the military-industrial complex like Dwight Eisenhower. Necessarily, these patriots have said some tough things about American leaders and policies. They have acknowledged flaws that are self-evident. Yet, they have not done so out of hatred. Rather, they have loved America sufficiently to believe it can be as good and as just as figures so diverse and yet in some very important ways so similar as Thomas Jefferson and Jeremiah Wright have taught us.

The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/316575)

[wife #7]

Once you go black...............................

[Clandestino]

like i said. blacks don't like to other blacks prosper... they prefer to sit around and complain about slavery and whitey keeping them down.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm a white American male. Tell me exactly what I did to oppress 'the blacks and women and other ethnics' today, out of curiosity.

Still waiting on boutons to tell me what I, as a white American male, did to oppress the 'blacks and women and other ethnics'.

As a bonus, he now has two days with which to work (yesterday and today). Still waiting...

[Don Quixote]

Yes, I too would like to know how I've oppressed blacks, women, gays, Mexicans, etc.

[jochhejaam]

Yes, I too would like to know how I've oppressed blacks, women, gays, Mexicans, etc.



1. If you are not for reparations, you are an oppressor.
2. If you tend to vote Republican, you are an oppressor.
3. If you are against affirmative action, you are an oppressor.
4. If you are against quotas, you are an oppressor.
5. If you are a "conservative", you are an oppressor.
6. If you are opposed to massive amounts of Federal monies being funneled into entitlements, you are an oppressor.
7. If you are white, and don't feel like you need to personally apologize for slavery, you are an oppressor.
8. If you don't disown and condemn O'Reilly, Hannity, Fox News, and Glenn Beck, you are an oppressor.
9. If you don't despise Supreme Court Justices Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, and Alito, you are an oppressor.
10. If you don't believe that Black voters are disenfranchised en-masse at the voting booth, you are an oppressor.

[Don Quixote]

I am?

I've always been nice to blacks. Worked next to them, went to school with them, played ball with them. I've always generally been against quotas and affirmative action, but that's because I basically view them as my equal.

I didn't know I was oppressing them.

[jochhejaam]

I am?

I've always been nice to blacks. Worked next to them, went to school with them, played ball with them. I've always generally been against quotas and affirmative action, but that's because I basically view them as my equal.

I didn't know I was oppressing them.

I would venture a guess that you surely are not DQ. The post was meant to serve as an illustration of how narrow-minded some people are, i.e., if you aren't for me, regardless of how unjust my definition of "for me" is, then you are against me, and therefore you are an oppressor.

[rascal]

Well, Well! BO has now thrown the Rev. Wright under the same bus he threw his Grandmother. And The Rev. Wright says BO is just another politician doing whatever he needs to to get elected. Maybe BO really does have BO. Guess Wright shouldn't have confirmed that he really did say all those things and meant them


Wake up moron. And stop spinning conservative radio talk.

[Don Quixote]

I would venture a guess that you surely are not DQ. The post was meant to serve as an illustration of how narrow-minded some people are, i.e., if you aren't for me, regardless of how unjust my definition of "for me" is, then you are against me, and therefore you are an oppressor.

But I am the one and only Don Quixote. Rosinante and I have never oppressed anyone.

[some_user86]

But I am the one and only Don Quixote. Rosinante and I have never oppressed anyone.

His original post was being sarcastic. That was supposed to have a comma there, I am guessing.

My guess is it should have looked like this:

I would venture a guess that you surely are not, DQ.

I read wrong too the first time.

[rascal]

Well, Well! BO has now thrown the Rev. Wright under the same bus he threw his Grandmother. And The Rev. Wright says BO is just another politician doing whatever he needs to to get elected. Maybe BO really does have BO. Guess Wright shouldn't have confirmed that he really did say all those things and meant them

I heard the throwing his grandmother under the bus reference on conservative talk radio.
I hear it now from you. You can't form your own thoughts and are processed to repeat everything you are programmed to from conservative talk radio?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

so now hilary obama wants us to "move past" "pastor" wright. ok. we're supposed to "move past" it after a couple of months.....................and they couldn't move on after a couple of decades. do as i say and not as i do. is this "change".

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[xrayzebra]

1. If you are not for reparations, you are an oppressor.
2. If you tend to vote Republican, you are an oppressor.
3. If you are against affirmative action, you are an oppressor.
4. If you are against quotas, you are an oppressor.
5. If you are a "conservative", you are an oppressor.
6. If you are opposed to massive amounts of Federal monies being funneled into entitlements, you are an oppressor.
7. If you are white, and don't feel like you need to personally apologize for slavery, you are an oppressor.
8. If you don't disown and condemn O'Reilly, Hannity, Fox News, and Glenn Beck, you are an oppressor.
9. If you don't despise Supreme Court Justices Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, and Alito, you are an oppressor.
10. If you don't believe that Black voters are disenfranchised en-masse at the voting booth, you are an oppressor.

I assume you are being sarcastic. But then again, you
never know now days.....:lol


I

[xrayzebra]

Wake up moron. And stop spinning conservative radio talk.

Do you ever, ever read any MSM? And you call me a
moron. You can read cant you?

I am curious what part of my statement was spinning.

[xrayzebra]

I heard the throwing his grandmother under the bus reference on conservative talk radio.
I hear it now from you. You can't form your own thoughts and are processed to repeat everything you are programmed to from conservative talk radio?

He didn't do that? He didn't FIRST say that could no more
give up the Reverend and that his Grandmother was a
typical White woman afraid of blacks? Oh, he did tell us
that his Grandmother loved him and raised him, but
she was just a typical white woman.

Oh, and the messiah now says he can stand the Reverend
and his terrible, terrible teachings. Guess he got a
revelation from the Heavens.

[Extra Stout]

I am?

I've always been nice to blacks. Worked next to them, went to school with them, played ball with them. I've always generally been against quotas and affirmative action, but that's because I basically view them as my equal.

I didn't know I was oppressing them.

According to liberation theology, the concept of "imputed guilt" applies to social issues. Therefore, in black theology, slaveowners and vigilante lynchers are "Adam," and in your tacit acceptance of the prevailing socioeconomic system their guilt is imputed to you.

[boutons_]

oops! McFlopPander has little "Wright" problem with his close friend whose disasters McFlopPander gives his full support

NBC/WSJ Poll: Bush a liability for McCain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24390690/

McFlopPander, when, as the campaign approaches Nov, will reliably Flop on his embrace of dubya + dubya disasters.

McFlopPander embraces Parsley, Hagee, etc, still does, and they have said much worse stuff than Wright. Cororate M$M supports McFlopPander 100%.

[TeyshaBlue]

Still waiting on boutons to tell me what I, as a white American male, did to oppress the 'blacks and women and other ethnics'.

As a bonus, he now has two days with which to work (yesterday and today). Still waiting...

boutons is unable to respond to a question that he can't find a cut and paste answer to. He appears to only be able to form partial sentences, post them, then run like hell.:downspin:

[clambake]

nah, it's just about character and judgement thats been passed on through redneck DNA.

[rascal]

He didn't do that? He didn't FIRST say that could no more
give up the Reverend and that his Grandmother was a
typical White woman afraid of blacks? Oh, he did tell us
that his Grandmother loved him and raised him, but
she was just a typical white woman.

Oh, and the messiah now says he can stand the Reverend
and his terrible, terrible teachings. Guess he got a
revelation from the Heavens.



No he didn't throw anyone under the bus. Thats a catchy phrase or hook by conservative talk radio that you ate up. The hook that caught you up.

He used his grandmother as an example of what he saw as old way prejuidices that still exist but he did not say he would give up his grandmother as a person or Wright although listen closely now, he does not support their beliefs.

This whole thing was just a conservative talk radio ploy to bring down a potential threat to their party's nomination and nothing more than an attack by association which is weak. Can't your guys come up with better stuff than this?

If you had any mind of your own and can think clearly you could see this for what it really is.

[clambake]

No he didn't throw anyone under the bus. Thats a catchy phrase or hook by conservative talk radio that you ate up. The hook that caught you up.

He used his grandmother as an example of what he saw as old way prejuidices that still exist but he did not say he would give up his grandmother as a person or Wright although listen closely now, he does not support their beliefs.

This whole thing was just a conservative talk radio ploy to bring down a potential threat to their party's nomination and nothing more than an attack by association which is weak. Can't your guys come up with better stuff than this?

If you had any mind of your own and can think clearly you could see this for what it really is.

do you know who you're talking to?

if we need more fossil fuel we should strip mine rays brain.

[Nbadan]

...let's show some respect....after all....Ray is a original Jacksonian Democrat....

[Heath Ledger]

I own several colored tv's am I an opressor?

[Nbadan]

Yeah, let's keep acting like the main reason many people won't vote for Obama is cause he's black....meanwhile...


...
But the background of the piece is just how readily many white Kentuckians admit that they simply won't vote for a black man for president.

"I've talked to people--a woman who was chair of county elections last year, she said she wouldn't vote for a black man," J.K. Patrick told Packer. And he won't either. "I really don't want an African-American as President ... I thought about it. I think he would put too many minorities in positions over the white race. That's my opinion. After 1964, you saw what the South did ... There's a lot of white people that just wouldn't vote for a colored person. Especially older people."

With frankness like this, it was probably no accident that it was Kentucky Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) who got in trouble two weeks ago for calling Obama "that boy" at a GOP party dinner in his home district -- a comment for which he later apologized.

Talking Point Memo (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/192341.php)

It's one thing if you can make a logical argument against one of Obama's policies, like the war in Iraq or health care, but this guilt by association is bullshit, one could say racist bullshit.....

[xrayzebra]

No he didn't throw anyone under the bus. Thats a catchy phrase or hook by conservative talk radio that you ate up. The hook that caught you up.

He used his grandmother as an example of what he saw as old way prejuidices that still exist but he did not say he would give up his grandmother as a person or Wright although listen closely now, he does not support their beliefs.

This whole thing was just a conservative talk radio ploy to bring down a potential threat to their party's nomination and nothing more than an attack by association which is weak. Can't your guys come up with better stuff than this?

If you had any mind of your own and can think clearly you could see this for what it really is.

Ah once again we have an example of someone who
doesn't recognize my superior intellect and analytical
abilities. Many times people adopt my thoughts and
use them as their own or repeat them to enhance their
reputations. You can witness that here on this very
forum by those who have adopted some of my musing
as their signatures.

Even Clam recognizes my unique abilities.


do you know who you're talking to?

if we need more fossil fuel we should strip mine rays brain.

Yes, by utilizing my brain power you can increase your
energy level ten fold.

Your welcome.

[some_user86]

Yes, by utilizing my brain power you can increase your
energy level ten fold.

Your welcome.

:rollin:rollin:rollin

I have to figure out how put that in my sig...

[Don Quixote]

According to liberation theology, the concept of "imputed guilt" applies to social issues. Therefore, in black theology, slaveowners and vigilante lynchers are "Adam," and in your tacit acceptance of the prevailing socioeconomic system their guilt is imputed to you.

Yes. Thanks for elucidating. I have studied some liberation theologies and am no fan of them.

Wright's essential problem is one of his theology. I think I brought it up not too long ago, but I don't think anybody understood.

Nutshell: Wright and his ilk draw the line between good and evil by social class, income, race, and political leanings. The scriptures, however, draw this line right through the human heart. I pray that my colleagues and I are in this latter camp.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I own several colored tv's am I an opressor?
hell. can't they be happy. it was called a black and white tv not a white and black tv. geezz.

[jochhejaam]

His original post was being sarcastic. That was supposed to have a comma there, I am guessing.



Yep, should have been a comma there.

[jochhejaam]

Bigot on parade


RARELY in the history of American politics has a bigot had as much power as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright enjoys today.

Support for Sen. Barack Obama has plunged nationally and (more importantly) in North Carolina since Mr. Wright confirmed at his National Press Club appearance Monday that he does indeed hold racist, lunatic, anti-American views, and implied that Senator Obama has been insincere in separating himself from them. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician," Mr. Wright said.

Senator Obama was more upset by Mr. Wright's assertion he was being disingenuous than by the extremist nature of his remarks, the New York Times reported Thursday.

"As Mr. Obama told close friends after watching the replay, he felt dumbfounded, even betrayed, by Mr. Wright's implication that Mr. Obama was being hypocritical. He could not tolerate that," the Times said.

For good reason. In a Rasmussen poll in New Hampshire released Thursday, 56 percent of respondents said Senator Obama denounced Rev. Wright because it was politically convenient. Fifty four percent said it was at least somewhat likely that Senator Obama shares some of his pastor's controversial views.

Senator Obama's belated denunciation of Mr. Wright hasn't helped matters. "Does Obama really expect Americans to believe it was Wright, and not the prevailing political winds, that changed overnight?" asked the Denver Post.

He may be a foul-mouthed bigot, but the Mr. Wright is no fool. He had to know his high-profile speaking tour would harm his former protege. So why did he do it?

His feelings are hurt, a Wright intimate told Fredric Dicker of the New York Post:

"After 20 years of loving Barack like a member of his own family, for Jeremiah to see Barack saying over and over that he didn't know about Jeremiah's views during those years, that he wasn't familiar with what Jeremiah had said - this is seen by Jeremiah as nonsense and betrayal," his source told Mr. Dicker.

Others speculate Mr. Wright may not want Senator Obama to be elected, because if America does elect a black president, it would undermine his thesis that whites are incorrigibly racist.

The simplest explanation may be that Mr. Wright cares more about his moment in the limelight than he does about the harm he's doing to Senator Obama.

If you're running as the candidate of hope and change who will "bring us together," it is hard to imagine how things could get worse. But they can.

Mr. Wright could destroy his former protege in a single interview. Radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt explains:

"If Pastor Wright agrees to be interviewed by other than Bill Moyers, the questions should ask not for his opinions on various controversies, but for facts about his relationship with the senator. Did Pastor Wright discuss [militant black Muslim] Louis Farrakhan before, during, or after they both attended the Million Man March? Did Senator Obama indicate unease with or criticism of Farrakhan? How often did you see Obama at Trinity on Sunday over the past 20 years?"

Mr. Wright need only grant such an interview to torpedo Senator Obama's candidacy. It doesn't matter whether he answers the questions truthfully, because only he and Senator Obama know the truth. What a club to hold over the head of a presidential candidate! I doubt Senator Obama has slept well since Monday.

Mr. Wright already has drilled some big holes in the hull of the SS (sinking ship) Obama. Hillary Clinton has caught up with Senator Obama in polls among Democrats since the reverend's appearance at the National Press Club, and she runs slightly better than he does against prospective GOP nominee John McCain.

The pundits say Senator Clinton faces a must-win primary in Indiana Tuesday. That's true. But the more important primary that day may be in North Carolina, which - because of the state's large black population - was to have been Senator Obama's firewall. All polls taken since Monday show the race there has narrowed dramatically. One showed Senator Clinton with a slight lead. If she were to win in North Carolina, it would be clear the bloom is off the Obama rose.

If Senator Obama wins, however narrowly, in North Carolina on Tuesday and, two weeks later, in Oregon, he can limp to the nomination because super delegates are more afraid of offending blacks than they are of losing in November.

That's probably what will happen - unless Jeremiah Wright opens his mouth again.

Jack Kelly is a columnist for The Blade and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.


http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/COLUMNIST14/805030323/-1/COLUMNIST

[George Gervin's Afro]

Bigot on parade


RARELY in the history of American politics has a bigot had as much power as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright enjoys today.

Support for Sen. Barack Obama has plunged nationally and (more importantly) in North Carolina since Mr. Wright confirmed at his National Press Club appearance Monday that he does indeed hold racist, lunatic, anti-American views, and implied that Senator Obama has been insincere in separating himself from them. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician," Mr. Wright said.

Senator Obama was more upset by Mr. Wright's assertion he was being disingenuous than by the extremist nature of his remarks, the New York Times reported Thursday.

"As Mr. Obama told close friends after watching the replay, he felt dumbfounded, even betrayed, by Mr. Wright's implication that Mr. Obama was being hypocritical. He could not tolerate that," the Times said.

For good reason. In a Rasmussen poll in New Hampshire released Thursday, 56 percent of respondents said Senator Obama denounced Rev. Wright because it was politically convenient. Fifty four percent said it was at least somewhat likely that Senator Obama shares some of his pastor's controversial views.

Senator Obama's belated denunciation of Mr. Wright hasn't helped matters. "Does Obama really expect Americans to believe it was Wright, and not the prevailing political winds, that changed overnight?" asked the Denver Post.

He may be a foul-mouthed bigot, but the Mr. Wright is no fool. He had to know his high-profile speaking tour would harm his former protege. So why did he do it?

His feelings are hurt, a Wright intimate told Fredric Dicker of the New York Post:

"After 20 years of loving Barack like a member of his own family, for Jeremiah to see Barack saying over and over that he didn't know about Jeremiah's views during those years, that he wasn't familiar with what Jeremiah had said - this is seen by Jeremiah as nonsense and betrayal," his source told Mr. Dicker.

Others speculate Mr. Wright may not want Senator Obama to be elected, because if America does elect a black president, it would undermine his thesis that whites are incorrigibly racist.

The simplest explanation may be that Mr. Wright cares more about his moment in the limelight than he does about the harm he's doing to Senator Obama.

If you're running as the candidate of hope and change who will "bring us together," it is hard to imagine how things could get worse. But they can.

Mr. Wright could destroy his former protege in a single interview. Radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt explains:

"If Pastor Wright agrees to be interviewed by other than Bill Moyers, the questions should ask not for his opinions on various controversies, but for facts about his relationship with the senator. Did Pastor Wright discuss [militant black Muslim] Louis Farrakhan before, during, or after they both attended the Million Man March? Did Senator Obama indicate unease with or criticism of Farrakhan? How often did you see Obama at Trinity on Sunday over the past 20 years?"

Mr. Wright need only grant such an interview to torpedo Senator Obama's candidacy. It doesn't matter whether he answers the questions truthfully, because only he and Senator Obama know the truth. What a club to hold over the head of a presidential candidate! I doubt Senator Obama has slept well since Monday.

Mr. Wright already has drilled some big holes in the hull of the SS (sinking ship) Obama. Hillary Clinton has caught up with Senator Obama in polls among Democrats since the reverend's appearance at the National Press Club, and she runs slightly better than he does against prospective GOP nominee John McCain.

The pundits say Senator Clinton faces a must-win primary in Indiana Tuesday. That's true. But the more important primary that day may be in North Carolina, which - because of the state's large black population - was to have been Senator Obama's firewall. All polls taken since Monday show the race there has narrowed dramatically. One showed Senator Clinton with a slight lead. If she were to win in North Carolina, it would be clear the bloom is off the Obama rose.

If Senator Obama wins, however narrowly, in North Carolina on Tuesday and, two weeks later, in Oregon, he can limp to the nomination because super delegates are more afraid of offending blacks than they are of losing in November.

That's probably what will happen - unless Jeremiah Wright opens his mouth again.

Jack Kelly is a columnist for The Blade and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.


http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080503/COLUMNIST14/805030323/-1/COLUMNIST

Clinton has a 0% chance of winning NC.

[jochhejaam]

Clinton has a 0% chance of winning NC.

The latest polls have him 7-9 percentage points ahead, but the oddsmakers, and I don't know what formula they use to come to their conclusion, give Clinton an 8.8% chance of winning N.C.

Rasmussen Markets data just prior to the release of this poll showed Obama was heavily favored to win the North Carolina Primary. Current prices show that Obama has a 90.0% chance of winning while Clinton is given a 8.8% chance of victory.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_carolina/north_carolina_democratic_primary