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04-30-2008, 04:37 PM
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D’Antoni could leave instead of change
By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports
8 hours, 19 minutes ago

SAN ANTONIO – The ball, along with the Phoenix Suns’ season, floated just two fingertips away, and Steve Nash stretched out only to find his old nemesis, Bruce Bowen, had once again beaten him to both. Bowen deflected the pass enough to glance off Nash’s hands out of bounds. Nash pleaded with an official, but it didn’t matter.

For the Suns, their season was done, their seven seconds were up.

By the time Tuesday night had begun to bleed into Wednesday morning, the Suns were exchanging hugs with the San Antonio Spurs and walking off the AT&T Center floor, trudging into an uncertain future. Once again, the Spurs had taught the Suns that defense wins. This time, the Spurs had done more than close out the teams’ first-round series with a 92-87 Game 5 victory; they very well may have closed out this chapter of the Suns’ go-go-go era altogether.

Even before Tuesday’s tipoff one member of coach Mike D’Antoni’s staff said he didn’t see any way his boss would return next season, regardless of whether Phoenix won the game or even miraculously recovered to win the series. D’Antoni, he said, was too upset, too proud to come back because he thought the franchise’s front office no longer supported him. One assistant coach was already talking about landing a spot on another team’s staff. Within two hours of the game’s end, Sports Illustrated’s veteran NBA reporter Jack McCallum, who spent a season with D’Antoni to write the book Seven Seconds Or Less… reported that D’Antoni would indeed leave the team.

The Suns don’t want to fire D’Antoni, if for no other reason than they don’t want to pay the remaining $8 million-plus he has on his contract. But one franchise source said team officials would demand changes from D’Antoni if he were to come back. They want him to make defense a greater priority. They could even set a minimum for how much time he would have to devote to it at each practice. They want him to hold his players more accountable. They also would likely want him to make changes or additions to his staff.

Suns GM Steve Kerr would say only that he planned to meet with D’Antoni. “We do have some things,” Kerr said, “that we need to discuss.”

Tops on that list: philosophy. D’Antoni has stubbornly insisted that his system works, and considering he has a 232-96 record with the Suns, it’s hard to argue otherwise. But the Suns also have now lost to the Spurs in the playoffs in three of the past four seasons, so that same system obviously doesn’t appear to be working against the team’s biggest rival. Kerr has never wavered in his belief that the Suns won’t win a championship until they become a better defensive team. When I talked with him in November, he made that point very clear.

“I think defensively we’ve got to improve,” Kerr said then. “We make strides, but it’s sort of one step forward, two steps back sometimes. When our focus and our attention is there, we can be really good…but it’s sort of sporadic. We’ve got to get more consistent defensively. Again, I think it’s attention to detail.”

Asked Tuesday night what he thought proved to be the difference in the series, Kerr was succinct in his answer: “Attention to detail.”

That was evident in the final 1 minute, 14 seconds of Tuesday’s game. Clinging to a one-point lead, the Spurs picked up their defense and forced Phoenix into three turnovers: Robert Horry stripped the ball from Nash; Boris Diaw threw away a pass out of a double team; and Nash couldn’t corral Raja Bell’s pass after their inbounds play disintegrated.

Tim Duncan’s three-pointer at the end of the first OT of Game 1 is credited with changing the entire complexion of the series, and it did. But Duncan would have never had the opportunity to take that shot had Michael Finley not also made a three-pointer in the closing seconds of regulation. And Finley likely wouldn’t have been open to shoot had Leandro Barbosa and Amare Stoudemire properly switched on the Spurs’ pick-and-roll. Here’s one reason why they may have failed to switch: The Suns don’t work on it much in practice.

“They beat us with the intangibles, they beat us with the little things, they beat us with the gamesmanship, they beat us with the attention to detail, the game plan, doing all the little things that win games,” Bell said. “That’s why they’re the champs.

“We’re just as good if not better than them as a talent, and as a physical team, but they were way ahead of us mentally. That’s a tough pill to swallow, that somebody outsmarted you, outwitted you.”

It’s even tougher considering these Suns were specifically built to beat the Spurs. They gambled their season on Shaquille O’Neal, and the Spurs spent the entire series exploiting him. San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich sent O’Neal to the free-throw line time and again with his Hack-A-Shaq strategy, culminating with O’Neal’s painful 9-of-20 showing in Game 5. D’Antoni downplayed the strategy’s impact, but Nash admitted the Suns’ offense was disrupted.

O’Neal also isn’t any better a pick-and-roll defender than Nash, and Tony Parker took advantage of both, averaging just under 30 points for the series. His 41-point performance in Game 3 proved to be Phoenix’s undoing, and at least two Suns starters were stunned by the team’s lack of an in-game adjustment. D’Antoni found some help by starting Boris Diaw the final two games and the Suns began aggressively herding Parker and Manu Ginobili into their help defense. By then, though, the Suns were in too big of a hole.

Suns owner Robert Sarver was the first to suggest trading for O’Neal, but D’Antoni quickly warmed to it and the two eventually sold Kerr on the idea. In truth, the Suns weren’t going to win a championship with Shawn Marion; Nash and D’Antoni had both tired of him. But even when Kerr and D’Antoni sat side by side at the February news conference trumpeting the trade, the disconnect between them was obvious. Kerr said then he thought the Suns had only a “puncher’s chance” of winning the title the way they were presently constructed. D’Antoni looked miffed and said he thought the Suns could have won with his small-ball system even if he also thought O’Neal would make them better.

The rift between coach and GM began three months earlier in an early season meeting when Kerr suggested D’Antoni post up Stoudemire more often. D’Antoni bristled and told Kerr not to tell him how to coach offense. Over time, one source said, the coaching staff grew to distrust Kerr and assistant GM Vinny Del Negro.

It’s telling that both Kerr and Del Negro played under Popovich, who has long had one edict for his team: You defend or you don’t play. Kerr also played for Phil Jackson in Chicago, and both coaches are among the best at making their players accountable. Said one former Sun who played for D’Antoni: “Mike just doesn’t like confrontation.”

For too long, D’Antoni allowed the Suns to make too many excuses for their struggles against the Spurs. Kerr has rightfully tried to change that culture. When O’Neal complained that the Spurs won Game 1 only because of their flopping, Kerr quickly countered by saying the Suns needed to get rid of their “persecution complex.” After the Game 2 loss, Nash and D’Antoni said the Suns need only improve their offense. Kerr insisted defense was the problem.

Nash still thinks D’Antoni “deserves a chance to coach this team.” Nash also faulted himself for the loss, as well he should. With the Suns often running their offense through Diaw, he missed 12 of his 16 shots.

But Stoudemire made it a point to praise the Spurs three times Tuesday night for being “well-coached.” He also didn’t seem happy that the Suns had leaned their offense toward his French teammate. “Even though your style may change a little bit, you should still have your same go-to guy,” Stoudemire said. “That shouldn’t change at all. That’s what the Spurs have.”

Despite any shortcomings, D’Antoni remains an excellent coach. Dallas and Toronto could soon get in line with Chicago and New York to talk to him. At least a couple of those teams also could offer a brighter future than Phoenix. Nash and O’Neal are both on the decline and the Suns are capped out to the point that they have few tradable players aside from Barbosa and the No. 15 pick.

Kerr faces another hurdle: finding a replacement for D’Antoni. Kerr said earlier this season he would like to coach once his children get older, and he likely will stick to that timetable. Some of his friends tried to talk to him out of taking the GM’s job; they’ll do the same if he expresses even the slightest interest in coaching now.

But whether GM or coach, Kerr has made one thing clear: Under him these Suns will learn to defend.

D’Antoni? For the third time in four years, his seven seconds again up, even he was forced to admit the obvious.

“We went up against a team,” he said, “that knows how to win.”

Mavs<Spurs
04-30-2008, 04:53 PM
Thanks for posting this article.

It's fascinating.

Honestly, I don't know what to make of it. So, I can't wait to see people's opinions about this.

With this team as currently constructed, I do not believe that another coach would be more successful.

I think that it would be difficult to make major improvements in the team due to Shaq's contract.


Suns do need to improve their defense. However, it is hard to see them beating the Spurs by their defense.

In other words, this is what the Spurs do well. The Suns will never be as good defensively as the Spurs, at least not in the near future.

D'Antoni is a better coach than most of the others in the league.


Clearly, Shaq wasn't the solution. He played well, but they didn't slow down Duncan by getting him. Shaq didn't get them over the hump.


Stoudamire was clearly, if implicitly, making a point about his lack of confidence in D'Antoni. Bell's comments could lean in that direction as well.

I don't know where they go from here.

What moves can they make?

What is their identity?

Are they going to build their team around a lock down defense?


I don't see better options. I know that we've beaten them 3 out of the last 4 playoff series, but many of these games have been close. Yes, we win close games against them because we execute better and we defend better. Still, the close nature of the losses and the lack of options and the lack of a better coach (for this team as currently constructed) would seem to lead one to conclude that they should keep the team as is.

Shaq and Nash will always be vulnerable to the pick and roll with Tim and Tony or Tim and Manu.

Nevertheless, it is their best shot.

Stand pat. Try to use the players you have better.

Keep the same coach.

SpurOutofTownFan
04-30-2008, 05:00 PM
The more I read about what Amare said the more I think he wants to play for the Spurs in the near future.

CubanMustGo
04-30-2008, 05:22 PM
The more I read about what Amare said the more I think he wants to play for the Spurs in the near future.

Amare has really matured since last year - you wouldn't know it was the same guy giving post-game comments. Now if he would just learn to play defense half as well as he takes it to the hoop he would be scary good.

ryder004
04-30-2008, 05:32 PM
adding salt to the wound

The Truth #6
04-30-2008, 05:40 PM
Just think if they traded Marion for someone other than Shaq. Or had kept Kurt Thomas and then traded Marion for someone other than Shaq. It might not have made a difference in this series but Shaq's dead weight is pulling them over the cliff shocking fast.

michaelwcho
04-30-2008, 06:53 PM
I hate this knee-jerk crap...I think the Suns bashing is ridiculous. I also think the idea that the Suns have to become a defensive team is stupid. And trading for Marion was a mistake. Here's why:

1. So the Spurs beat the Suns quite a few times. There's no dishonor in losing to the champ. You don't fire someone because Duncan, Jordan, or Bird is better than them! The Suns win 60 games a year!

2. The Suns as an offensive team ran most teams out of the gym. They would do the same to most playoff teams. They probably would have won the title once or twice if not for the unfortunate situation of sharing a conference with Mr. Duncan. See point 1

3. Trading Marion wrecked the team... the Suns were a Ferrarri and they ripped off one high-performance tire and stuck a tank tread on there. That just doesn't work.

remingtonbo2001
04-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Amare has really matured since last year - you wouldn't know it was the same guy giving post-game comments. Now if he would just learn to play defense half as well as he takes it to the hoop he would be scary good.

I'm sure Pop could figure something out.

whottt
04-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Hmmm...I've been pretty criticial of Kerr(and he's a traitor) for his handling of this whole situation...but based on this article I may have to re-evaluate things. The main thing being...Kerr makes sense and has a better grasp of reality. D'antoni actually is in a pretty big state of denial.

I mean I kind of see D'antoni's point that you can win without defense, I think it is is possible for a team to win without being a great defensive team. I mean let's face it, there is a very good chance that the Suns would have won a championship at some point in the past 4 years if not for the Spurs....without being a great defensive team. It was the Spurs that stopped them...not any other defensive teams.

But winning with offense is much more difficult and requires much more talent, and since winning an NBA championship is already extremely difficult and that is the ultimate goal of a franchise, a coach who embraces the challenge of the difficult path might not be the best choice for a team who's window is rapidly closing.


Other points...

#1. If trading for Shaq was something D'antoni pushed for, not Kerr, that is pretty major and since the Suns are going to be taking it in the rear on the cap from this trade...it's easy to see why Kerr would be pissed..although the owner is accountable as well.

#2. IF D'antoni was getting all indignant on suggestions from Kerr then I wouldn't blame Kerr for firing him...there's a simple chain of command there that D'antoni doesn't seem inclined to respect, perhaps due to Kerr being new. Kerr has a pretty good track record of demanding respect...so I am not surprised there is some friction in Phoenix.




This is an excellent and revealing article that answers a lot of questions that usually don't get answered on these sorts of innerwokings with pro teams...props to this writer....he should work for the SAEN :tu

m33p0
04-30-2008, 07:16 PM
had they kept Thomas and Marion, traded Amare(Atlanta) for Garnett, and kept as far away from O'Neal as possible, the series might be tied to 3 a piece by now.

Armando
04-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Who I really feel for is Nash. Yes I know he made costly mistakes towards the end but its a shame that his career might end without as much as a Finals appearance. Hopefully he gets a chance even if its with another team.

raspsa
04-30-2008, 07:25 PM
ATTENTION TO DETAIL = POUNDING THE ROCK = NO SHORTCUTS

First Suns must decide who their real team leader is. Shaq? Nash? Diaw? Amare?

The leader must buy in to the new team philosophy and commiitment to defense and all the hard practices that come with it. Only then will the rest of the team follow.

Armando
04-30-2008, 07:27 PM
ATTENTION TO DETAIL = POUNDING THE ROCK = NO SHORTCUTS

First Suns must decide who their real team leader is. Shaq? Nash? Diaw? Amare?

The leader must buy in to the new team philosophy and commiitment to defense and all the hard practices that come with it. Only then will the rest of the team follow.



Nash

urunobili
04-30-2008, 07:42 PM
This is an excellent and revealing article that answers a lot of questions that usually don't get answered on these sorts of innerwokings with pro teams...props to this writer....he should work for the SAEN :tu

:tu

raspsa
05-01-2008, 01:23 AM
Nash

I agree. The problem for Phoenix though is age appears to be catching up with him. He won't be as effective in a half-court offense. Also, Amare's ego plus Shaq's ego will always get in the way.. one reson for Spurs' succcess is Pop doesn't hold any punches when it comes to acountability.. can the same be said for Phoenix.. Amare and Shaq would would probably sulk in such a situation. I really think Amare should be traded because he tries to talk like a leader but clearly his priority is his own stats.. how could any of his teammate respect him..

Spuradicator
05-01-2008, 01:26 AM
Kerr is really having a tough time deciding if he wants to fire D'Antoni. He doesn't want to fuck up again like he did with the Shaq trade.

Obstructed_View
05-01-2008, 03:12 AM
The Suns haven't had a fucking point guard not named Steve Nash for years. They failed to address that via free agency or the draft. There's no excuse for that from anyone. If Mike D'Antoni had a hand in personnel decisions, his ass should be gone just for that.

SpursFanFirst
05-01-2008, 04:21 AM
Hmmm...I've been pretty criticial of Kerr(and he's a traitor) for his handling of this whole situation...but based on this article I may have to re-evaluate things. The main thing being...Kerr makes sense and has a better grasp of reality. D'antoni actually is in a pretty big state of denial.

I mean I kind of see D'antoni's point that you can win without defense, I think it is is possible for a team to win without being a great defensive team. I mean let's face it, there is a very good chance that the Suns would have won a championship at some point in the past 4 years if not for the Spurs....without being a great defensive team. It was the Spurs that stopped them...not any other defensive teams.

But winning with offense is much more difficult and requires much more talent, and since winning an NBA championship is already extremely difficult and that is the ultimate goal of a franchise, a coach who embraces the challenge of the difficult path might not be the best choice for a team who's window is rapidly closing.


Other points...

#1. If trading for Shaq was something D'antoni pushed for, not Kerr, that is pretty major and since the Suns are going to be taking it in the rear on the cap from this trade...it's easy to see why Kerr would be pissed..although the owner is accountable as well.

#2. IF D'antoni was getting all indignant on suggestions from Kerr then I wouldn't blame Kerr for firing him...there's a simple chain of command there that D'antoni doesn't seem inclined to respect, perhaps due to Kerr being new. Kerr has a pretty good track record of demanding respect...so I am not surprised there is some friction in Phoenix.

I agree with everything you said here





This is an excellent and revealing article that answers a lot of questions that usually don't get answered on these sorts of innerwokings with pro teams...props to this writer....he should work for the SAEN :tu

:lol