Dick Bavetta, Tom Washington, Mark Wunderlich

[FromWayDowntown]

Game 2 officials. Hadn't seen it posted yet.

[ElNono]

Bavetta spells trouble. Other than that, I'm glad I don't see Joey in there.

[DarrinS]

Dick Bavetta? :bang


At least there won't be any 7 ft. German players on the floor.

[Summers]

I love Dick Bavetta. I don't know why everyone else hates him.

[DarrinS]

Photo from Dick Bavetta's first game as an official.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=60176&rendTypeId=4

[gameFACE]

That's not a bad line-up.

[TampaDude]

Betcha we get Salvatore for Game 3 back in SA... :lol

[whottt]

Shit...getting Bavetta down 0-1 in a series on the road is about as nerve wracking as it gets...

I can't remember if it's Bavetta or Salvatore that is simply incompetent...I think it's Salvatore...he's the one I'd rather see tonight as there is just as great of a chance he will fuck the Hornets as he will the Spurs.

[DarrinS]

Shit...getting Bavetta down 0-1 in a series on the road is about as nerve wracking as it gets...

I can't remember if it's Bavetta or Salvatore that is simply incompetent...I think it's Salvatore...he's the one I'd rather see tonight as there is just as great of a chance he will fuck the Hornets as he will the Spurs.


Salvatore is incompetent.


Bavetta is just senile.

[2easy]

I see y'all are already warming up the excuse machine.

[polandprzem]

I don't mind Bavetta, but I miss Garretson and Dan Crawford. None of them were officiating Spurs games.

Washington and Wunderlich did not stayed in my mind.
Wunderlich
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/52979768.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE2265F62FBA3ACA7F A40A659CEC4C8CB6

Washington
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/52822034.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CEA8DBF16FD44208F4 A40A659CEC4C8CB6

[DarrinS]

I see y'all are already warming up the excuse machine.


Spurs fans have witnessed a lot of playoff basketball in the last decade, so we know who's good and who sucks.

[Solid D]

Photo from Dick Bavetta's first game as an official.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=60176&rendTypeId=4

:lol

Wunderlich is one of my least favorites. Dick the Knick likes to call travelling early and often but otherwise, he can be a very good official. He will call fouls when they happen. Tom Washington tends to favor the home team.

Over all opinion. I don't see this crew just "letting em play". Timmy should get more FT chances, but then again, so should CP3.

[Reggie Miller]

I see y'all are already warming up the excuse machine.

When your team has known vendettas with particular officials, it's a little different. Has a ref ever been suspended for discriminating against a Hornets' player?

Didn't think so...

[Budkin]

Bavetta likes close games, he doesn't care who wins as long as it's a squeaker. Oh yeah and he calls touch fouls against the visiting team in the closing minutes all the time. We're fucked.

[Rummpd]

Spurs need to make a statement tonight early on an force the refs to be non issue.

[my2sons]

I see y'all are already warming up the excuse machine.

unlike no, there is an nba tradition of winning in this city and our fans are knowlegeable about referees and their tendancies. We have favorites and we have those we feel are complete losers. I'm not going to fast for you am i?

[whottt]

I see y'all are already warming up the excuse machine.


Did you see us blaming the officials after game 1?(outside of that one dumbass), no you didn't.


Our team has been in the playoffs 20 something out of the last 19 years...we've learned to associate some refs with Spurs losses and some with Spurs win...



By the way...the fact that you don't think there are refs that completely suck clearly brands you as a playoff basketball newbie...

For instance...no one whose team has played in a few playoff series, likes Bennet Salvatore. No one....it's not that he is biased, it's that he is a complete and total fuck up who will totally alter the outcome of a game due to sheer incompetence.


He actually made me feel sorry for the Rockets once...

[DarrinS]

:lol

Wunderlich is one of my least favorites. Dick the Knick likes to call travelling early and often but otherwise, he can be a very good official. He will call fouls when they happen. Tom Washington tends to favor the home team.

Over all opinion. I don't see this crew just "letting em play". Timmy should get more FT chances, but then again, so should CP3.


He just calls a lot of ticky-tack B.S. fouls. Yes, TD will get to the line more often, but I'd rather see a game with a "let 'em play" attitude ala Dan Crawford.

Well, thinking about it from another angle -- If Tim gets some calls early, maybe he'll stop crying and start playing.

[slayermin]

Since we are on the road, I think I would have wanted Javie.

But if my count is correct, we are in great shape with these three.

Since '01 in the playoffs, we are 15-5 with Bavetta, 5-2 with Washington, and 6-2 with Wunderlich.

[whottt]

Since we are on the road, I think I would have wanted Javie.

But if my count is correct, we are in great shape with these three.

Since '01 in the playoffs, we are 15-5 with Bavetta, 5-2 with Washington, and 6-2 with Wunderlich.


Bavetta ref games are always hard fought games...I can guarantee you that tonights game will not be a blow out in the Spurs favor with Bavetta reffing it.


But the more it comes back to me...it seems like Bavetta isn't the worst ref to get in a road game...in fact I think most of my beefs with him are over bad calls in favor of road teams on the Spurs home court...


Wasn't Bavetta the ref of game 1 of the 2003 WCF?

You know...the one where the freaking Mavs went to the line 50 something times..

[FromWayDowntown]

Wunderlich is the worst of this group, though Tom Washington doesn't always acquit himself very well. I think Washington is among the worst of the playoff caliber officials about guessing at calls instead of calling the play. Wunderlich is frustrating because he tends to be extremely inconsistent. Wunderlich ran Pop in the game at home against Indiana this season because he had quite clearly called something on one end and then chose to ignore it on the other end. Pop yelled at him from the bench and got a T and then walked onto the floor to give him a bit more. Pop clearly wanted to be ejected -- it was one of those games where he needed to wake up a sleep-walking team -- but he was right to call Wunderlich on the inconsistency. One thing about that, though, was that from that point on Wunderlich's inconsistencies seemed to decidedly favor the Spurs.

Bavetta is Bavetta. I'd almost rather have him for a need to get one Game 2 on the road than for a Game 5 or 6 in that situation. Bavetta will tinker with games with his calls and if the game is close in the latter stages, he will sometimes give the opposing team a chance. I think for Bavetta, the ultimate game is one that he can get down to a last possession wins sort of affair.

[travis2]

No, I think the 50-FT debacle was a Salvatore masterpiece...

[FromWayDowntown]

Wasn't Bavetta the ref of game 1 of the 2003 WCF?

That was Bennett Salvatore (and Ron Garretson and Greg Willard).

[whottt]

I remember the main reason I hate Salvatore(outside of his completely altering the outcome of the Rockets Mavs series a few years ago with a bad out of bounds call among many other blown calls)...I remember when that douchebag fouled Drob out in like 10 minutes of play against the Lakers in 03.

[remingtonbo2001]

Salvatore is incompetent.


Bavetta is just senile.

:lol It's funny cause it's true.

[whottt]

There you go Hornet fan....Bennet Salvatore...., we just name some shitty reffed games, lo and behold, one name keeps coming up...if you don't think that guy sucks, you will one day. You heard it here first.

[roturn]

This something I agree on with you guys...Dick is old...

[travis2]

That was Bennett Salvatore (and Ron Garretson and Greg Willard).

Correct.

http://www.nba.com/games/20030519/DALSAS/boxscore.html

[slayermin]

I remember the main reason I hate Salvatore(outside of his completely altering the outcome of the Rockets Mavs series a few years ago with a bad out of bounds call among many other blown calls)...I remember when that douchebag fouled Drob out in like 10 minutes of play against the Lakers in 03.

That was game four of that series. Shaq and Kobe each went to the line 20 times. But only TD was getting to the line for the Spurs, hence the Lakers shot twice as many free throws. That game was such a load of crap.

Bavetta isn't a great ref but I'll take that won-loss record we have with him.

My favorite refs are Joey Crawford, Dan Crawford, and Bob Delaney.

[Solid D]

One interesting note regarding officials. Joe Forte officiated 3 of the 4 regular season meetings between New Orleans and San Antonio. The 2 Spurs losses and the home win for the Spurs. Ken Mauer was listed as on the crew at both Spurs' wins. :stirpot:

[timvp]

Damn it. I wanted DCrawford. Bavetta and Wunderlich on the road isn't a very good combination. Bavetta will hit Parker for about two travelings and Duncan for a questionable offensive foul ... like always.

On the road, you want either of the Crawfords or Javie. But yeah this crew is better than Salvatore or Nies.

[G-Nob]

Dickie B loves calling offensive fouls because doing the motion makes him feel young.

[lefty]

Photo from Dick Bavetta's first game as an official.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=60176&rendTypeId=4

:lmao

[Brutalis]

No Joey no worry.

[T Park]

WTF, haven't got Dan Crawford yet.

BS...

[lefty]

Well this officiating crew is better than the one that fucked us in game 1

[Budkin]

The refs in the NBA are a fucking joke all around. It's pathetic that we have to worry about who is reffing a particular game. Does anyone have any good, realistic ideas about how to fix this. I don't want constant replay either but I think there should be a few challenges available.

[lefty]

The refs in the NBA are a fucking joke all around. It's pathetic that we have to worry about who is reffing a particular game. Does anyone have any good, realistic ideas about how to fix this. I don't want constant replay either but I think there should be a few challenges available.

" I do. But I don't want to "

http://www.jewishsports.net/BioImages/Stern99NBAB874.jpg

[Solid D]

How does that saying go....complaining about no shoes and meeting a man with no feet?

Tim Duncan: "I complained about the NBA refs until I was introduced to FIBA!"

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

my god