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peewee's lovechild
05-07-2008, 03:26 PM
Hillary Will Drop Out By June 15

A senior campaign official and Clinton confidante has told me that there will be a Democratic nominee by June 15. He could not bring himself to say the words "Hillary will drop out by June 15," but that is clearly what he meant. I kept saying, "So, Hillary will drop out by June 15," and he kept saying, "We will have a nominee by June 15." He stressed what a reasonable person Hillary is.

Everything about our conversation implied that he had already had this reality-based discussion with Hillary. He said the Clinton campaign plan is to collect as many votes and delegates as they can right through June 3, then take no more than a week or so to make their case to the superdelegates. Nothing he said indicated that he actually expected the superdelegates to move to Hillary in the week after the final election. The Clinton campaign has not lost its grip on reality. Yes, Clinton spokespersons publicly seem to be lost on gravity-free planet Clinton, but privately they know the end is near.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/hillary-will-drop-out-by_b_100625.html


It appears that she is done.

Nbadan
05-07-2008, 03:27 PM
Even ABC is conceding...

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Nbadan
05-07-2008, 03:32 PM
Ode to Hillary...(not safe for work language)


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Ocotillo
05-07-2008, 06:44 PM
http://hillaryis404.org/hillary404.jpg

JoeChalupa
05-08-2008, 09:27 AM
:lmao

Yonivore
05-08-2008, 10:06 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Ted Kennedy carried fewer delegates than Hillary into the Democrat Convention the last time he ran.

If Hillary wants to make this last until the convention, she has the cajones, the will, and the machinery.

:corn:

JoeChalupa
05-08-2008, 10:14 AM
I concur. But she won't do that.

Don Quixote
05-08-2008, 10:15 AM
Yes, let's disenfranchise the good voters of Michigan and Florida. It's not their fault their state party broke the rules.

But, really, this movie was getting good. I don't want it to end yet.

JoeChalupa
05-08-2008, 10:16 AM
They'll seat MI and FL and Hillary still won't catch Obama so that, IMO, is really a non-issue.

smeagol
05-08-2008, 10:54 AM
'bout time

Yonivore
05-08-2008, 10:56 AM
I concur. But she won't do that.
Really? Why didn't she concede already then? June 15th is a month away...if nothing's going to change, a right-minded politician would face the music, step up to the podium, and throw their support to the apparent nominee.

Shades of Algore 2000.

PixelPusher
05-08-2008, 10:59 AM
http://www.thinksimian.com/images/popcorn/popcorn_1_1.JPG

Yonivore
05-08-2008, 11:08 AM
There's always more...

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/33/79/23187933.jpg

JoeChalupa
05-08-2008, 11:19 AM
Really? Why didn't she concede already then? June 15th is a month away...if nothing's going to change, a right-minded politician would face the music, step up to the podium, and throw their support to the apparent nominee.

Shades of Algore 2000.

She'll bow out gracefully after another win. All in good time.

Yonivore
05-08-2008, 11:28 AM
She'll bow out gracefully after another win. All in good time.

Hey! I'm not rushing her... Fight, Hillary, Fight! Give 'em hell, Hill!

GaryJohnston
05-08-2008, 12:11 PM
Hey! I'm not rushing her... Fight, Hillary, Fight! Give 'em hell, Hill!

Hell, let her run as an independent.

G-Nob
05-08-2008, 02:11 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Ted Kennedy carried fewer delegates than Hillary into the Democrat Convention the last time he ran.

If Hillary wants to make this last until the convention, she has the cajones, the will, and the machinery.

:corn:

Yeah but she's running out of money which is worse because no one will donate to a lost cause campaign. She really has to spin this and create a legitimate path to the nomination or its over sooner than she thinks it will be.

Don Quixote
05-08-2008, 02:14 PM
I heard some of Hillary's speech today. She doesn't sound like one ready to give up just yet.

MannyIsGod
05-08-2008, 02:52 PM
Really? Why didn't she concede already then? June 15th is a month away...if nothing's going to change, a right-minded politician would face the music, step up to the podium, and throw their support to the apparent nominee.

Shades of Algore 2000.

Lots of reasons why she didn't concede yet.

1) She's in debt. She can run longer and get further donations in order to alieveate the campaign debt. I personally think this is kind of shitty considering how much Money she and Bill can make easily but I doubt she ever repays the loans she made to herself so w/e.

2) She's going to win WV and Ken by very large margins - if she concedes now its bad politically (although i don't' think its a huge deal) when she wins those states and isn't "in the race" anymore.

3) If she stays in it reaffirms no one pushed her out and if Barak falls on his face she can pull the I TOLD YOU SO card in 2012 and run again.

Yonivore
05-08-2008, 02:58 PM
Lots of reasons why she didn't concede yet.

1) She's in debt. She can run longer and get further donations in order to alieveate the campaign debt. I personally think this is kind of shitty considering how much Money she and Bill can make easily but I doubt she ever repays the loans she made to herself so w/e.

2) She's going to win WV and Ken by very large margins - if she concedes now its bad politically (although i don't' think its a huge deal) when she wins those states and isn't "in the race" anymore.

3) If she stays in it reaffirms no one pushed her out and if Barak falls on his face she can pull the I TOLD YOU SO card in 2012 and run again.
I see, she's selfish.

On number one, she can continue to raise money for a future Senate campaign and use that money to pay of any campaign debt incurred here.

#2? Nobody thinks it's a big deal. Happens in elections all the time.

#3, I think magnanimity is a better virtue than schedenfreude in politics.

Wild Cobra
05-08-2008, 03:06 PM
Well, Victoria Taft's (http://www.victoriataft.com/) version of Operation Chaos if in full swing in Oregon, and it looks like democrat operatives in the elections office might lose their jobs over it! This has gone to the pont of people switching parties being called and questioned as to their who they will vote for. Now people who have changed party affiliation have not recieved their new ballots. We are vote by mail. There coild be some interesting legal actions occuring.

So many people not recieving their ballots! Lawyers are already following this.

The above link is Victoria'a blog. She doesn't cover this point in it. I'm sure she will when more evidence comes into play, but she has been interviewing people on her radio program (http://www.kpam.com/programming/victoria_taft.shtml).

Nbadan
05-08-2008, 03:07 PM
On number one, she can continue to raise money for a future Senate campaign and use that money to pay of any campaign debt incurred here.

Rumor is that she's 20 million in the hole already, including the money she lent herself, so we're not talking about a little hurdle here, her campaign has no money to continue campaigning in states were Obama leads....

Yonivore
05-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Rumor is that she's 20 million in the hole already, including the money she lent herself, so we're not talking about a little hurdle here, her campaign has no money to continue campaigning in states were Obama leads....
My point was, dropping out of the presidential race does not hamper her ability to raise funds to relieve campaign debt. In fact, it might actually help...raising money for a future Senate Campaign is alot more legitimate than continuing to raise money for a failed presidential bid.

I still think she believes she'll pull this off somehow. There are shenanigans afoot.

Nbadan
05-08-2008, 03:16 PM
well, you need money to campaign too, after all, Hillary and Bill have their own private jets...

Mitt Romney
05-08-2008, 03:27 PM
well, you need money to campaign too, after all, Hillary and Bill have their own private jets...

I have to admit having money does help.

Nbadan
05-08-2008, 03:33 PM
...not to mention they still owe the fat slob $4 million dollars

Wild Cobra
05-08-2008, 04:50 PM
Why should Hillary drop out? Does anyone believe she doesn't care if she takes the party down with her?

Here is something of interest (http://www.victoriataft.com/2008/05/thank-you-from-hillary.html):



Dear Operation Chaos Operatives,

Tonight's victory in Indiana was close, and a margin that narrow means just one thing: every single thing you did to help us win in Indiana helped make the difference.

Every call you made, every friend you spoke to about our campaign, every dollar you contributed made tonight's victory possible. And I couldn't be more thankful for your hard work.

Every time we've celebrated a victory, we've celebrated it together. And tonight is no exception. This victory is your victory, this campaign is your campaign, and your support has been the difference between winning and losing.

Thank you so much for making this campaign possible. Let's keep making history together.

Sincerely,


Hillary Rodham Clinton

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Hillarychokingthetears.jpg

boutons_
05-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Big Rewards Await Clinton If She Ends Campaign Now (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/big-rewards-await-clinton_n_100694.html)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/big-rewards-await-clinton_n_100694.html?view=print

ClingingMars
05-08-2008, 08:05 PM
I have to admit having money does help.

even when Huckabee beats you in Iowa? ;)

- Mars

ClingingMars
05-08-2008, 08:07 PM
also, :corn:

- Mars

boutons_
05-08-2008, 08:54 PM
Clinton: Obama Not Winning Over "Hard-Working Americans, White Americans" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

So, HUSSEIN! is winning over non-working Americans, Black Americans? That's EXACTLY what she means.

Playing the race card again. With Bill and Blumenthal calling the dirty punching.

I'll play the misogynist, sexist card:

Fuck off, you fat-assed, fat-thighed spiteful, loser bitch. :rollin

Wild Cobra
05-09-2008, 12:32 AM
Fuck off, you fat-assed, fat-thighed spiteful, loser bitch. :rollin

Can't you be respectful for once? At least call her, "her thighness."

MaNuMaNiAc
05-09-2008, 12:53 AM
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boutons_
05-09-2008, 07:01 PM
"My candidate speaks every day to donors who tell him directly that they're more focused on the Presidential right now, or that they're tapped out because they've given so much to the Presidential. Or simply, as you say, because they're just pissed off about the Presidential."

"For her to wait until June is a nightmare that may well guarantee that not only my guy, but dozens and dozens of other challengers will come up badly short of their goals for the 2nd Quarter. "

"We need her to drop out now, not only for the sake of our real Presidential nominee winning in November, but so that the rest of us can finally have a fighting chance with donors."

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/finance-director-of-democratic.html

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Obama's people and supporters don't want the Obama campaign funds to repay Billary's personal $11B loaned to her campaign, because $10M goes to Mark Penn/his company.

boutons_
05-09-2008, 07:05 PM
"After adding at least seven, Obama, with 270, has nearly pulled even with Clinton who has 272.5, according to the latest unofficial tally by the Associated Press."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/05/superdelegates_2.html

Nasty, fat bitch, it's over.