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dallaskd
05-12-2008, 05:38 PM
Main Card

B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk (UFC Lightweight Title)
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida (my upset pick)
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia (up and comer...on the outside looking in of the top 205ers)

Prelim Card

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (YUAH!!!)
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares (sry guys)
Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

(my picks in bold)

dallaskd
05-12-2008, 05:39 PM
the thread title looks a little wierd. i meant to capitalize official

LEONARD
05-13-2008, 12:18 PM
Can't wait for this one...

BJ ramps up the trash talk even more…lol
http://mmamania.com/2008/05/09/bj-penn-you-cant-confuse-steroids-with-heart-sean-sherk/

BJ training video
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/5/12/95241/5857

Tracy Lee’s blog/pics at BJ’s training camp... :fro
http://www.combatlifestyle.com/words/gdetail.php?id=67
http://www.combatlifestyle.com/words/gdetail.php?id=68

Caplan thinks BJ will dominate Sherk
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/12/why-bj-penn-will-dominate-sean-sherk/#more-3084

Evan
05-13-2008, 01:15 PM
B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk (UFC Lightweight Title)
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine (Please Wandy…..)
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida (don't let the door hit you on…..)
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia (we may not see a single punch)

Prelim Card

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura (I will be seriously bummed if he loses)
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan (cannot wait to see Kim)
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch (Shane may one day hold a belt)
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares (Ivan may retire after this win or lose, this is his last UFC fight)
Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

sa_butta
05-13-2008, 01:44 PM
Main Card

B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk (UFC Lightweight Title)
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia

desflood
05-13-2008, 01:58 PM
B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk (UFC Lightweight Title)
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine (I really want Wandy to have one more good win in him)
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia

Prelim Card

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares
Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

macdude06
05-13-2008, 02:32 PM
isnt rich clamenti fighting?

LEONARD
05-13-2008, 02:39 PM
Yes, Clementi is fighting Terry Etim...back to back events for Rich...

macdude06
05-13-2008, 02:39 PM
ufc website has clementi fighting Terry Etim

dallaskd
05-13-2008, 06:00 PM
I just really dont want to see Tito go. He got me into mma and was is one of the main reasons the ufc is where it is today.

dallaskd
05-13-2008, 06:01 PM
As much as i hate clementi, the dude is getting it done. i say its time dana moves him up the food chain to see what he can do.

Evan
05-13-2008, 08:53 PM
I just really dont want to see Tito go. He got me into mma and was is one of the main reasons the ufc is where it is today.

Personally...I think Tito's body is wrecked and this entire thing is an excuse for him to fight lesser talent elsewhere.

The UFC offered him a 6 fight contract, gave him 2 SpikeTV specials, and made him a coach on TUF.

The UFC fucked up AA and the purchase of PRIDE royally..but this is one issue the did right on.

Read Chuck's book...Tito is a fight dodger and a massive headache who is never happy. He has done this before and came back.

All that aside...I wish he would stay and I am 100% sure he will be back one day.

desflood
05-14-2008, 05:57 AM
Personally...I think Tito's body is wrecked and this entire thing is an excuse for him to fight lesser talent elsewhere.
So, Tito wants to go play big fish in a small pond somewhere. Eventually he might just return. He and Dana have quite the love/hatefest going on.

Evan
05-14-2008, 06:13 AM
So, Tito wants to go play big fish in a small pond somewhere. Eventually he might just return. He and Dana have quite the love/hatefest going on.

That is exactly what happened before.

I hope this is what happens..go heal up..rebuild himself and come back and compete. I don't like the dude but he is the exact character that is good for MMA.

Evan
05-14-2008, 01:05 PM
Tito Ortiz will face Lyoto Machida at UFC 84 on May 24. He talked to Ariel Helwani of MMARated.com about the fight and his future in MMA.

Ariel Helwani: Do you truly believe that your fight against Lyoto Machida on May 24 will be your last fight?

Tito Ortiz: I think that May 24 will be my last fight with the UFC. I plan on continuing my career though. I plan on fighting for three more years. That is what is in my mind and it is set in stone in my mind — still competing. I am just sick of being taken advantage of (and) I am sick of being treated the way I have been treated with the UFC.

Over the last two years, I have really been kind of forgotten about by UFC. (Fans) were saying, "Does Tito Ortiz still fight?" Well, it just shows how much the UFC used me. I am just sick of a lot of things that they do on the sides to try to keep me down, and if I will fight again with the UFC, it will be under my own terms.

AH: You just said "If I fight again for the UFC..." Are you still kind of holding out hope that something will be resolved and you will continue your career in the UFC?

TO: You know what it really comes down to is just (UFC president) Dana White. If he learns to shut his mouth and learns to respect me there is a possibility yet. (He needs to) give a public apology for the things that he has done. That is just what it really comes down to, but I want to go with a company that is going to respect me and see me as the champion I am and the ambassador that I am of the sport and not really downplay me or disrespect me on television or anything else.

AH: Do you expect the UFC to make a final effort to try and smooth things over with you leading up to the Machida bout or will everything be dealt with afterwards?

TO: With me, it is all dealt with afterwards. I respect (UFC co-owner) Lorenzo (Fertitta) a whole lot. He is a great person. He has helped me out a lot from the very beginning when he first bought the company and I think what they thought I was worth was not anything close to what I thought I was worth and, once again, it was just Dana trying to undercut me. They say that I am not better than what I used to be and I am worth less than I used to be. To me, it is like, "Alright, well, if you guys think that, I am going to see if any other company thinks that." I have to wait until my contract is over before I could negotiate with anybody else and when the negotiations come about we'll see how much Tito Ortiz is worth.

AH: What are your thoughts on Lyoto Machida? He is 12-0 and coming off an impressive victory over Sokoudjou. Do you feel he is a worthy enough opponent for you in what may be your final fight in the UFC?

TO: I was looking for a bigger fight and I thought that the rematch with Rashad Evans was supposed to happen, but Machida is undefeated. He is (ranked) fifth in the world and I guess that means he is one of the best fighters in the world. So when I beat him, then it will just show that I have not really gone anywhere. When I do beat Machida, it will just show that I am still at the top of the world. In the last ten years, I have only lost to two people: One of the greatest heavyweight champions in the world, Randy Couture, and one of the greatest knockout artists, light heavyweight Chuck Liddell.

AH: Why did the rematch against Rashad Evens never materialize?

TO: I don't know. I think that is a question that everyone has to ask Dana. I was wondering it myself. Is it a chance for them to build Machida? Do I give him some type of recognition if I fight him and he does well against me? Well, when I beat him, it will just show that I am still a force to be reckoned with no matter what.

AH: What are your thoughts on Elite XC? Do you consider them the UFC's strongest competitor?

TO: I see them as a strong company. Of course, Mark Cuban has another strong company (too). But it seems like all the other companies are starting to work together. They are starting to help each other. With me, I just want a company that is going to support me, that is going to be behind me and push me and see me as the ambassador that I am and the champion that I am. Whatever company that's going to sign me, they are going to take care of me; they are going to put me in front. They are going to let me use my mic skills and use my fighting skills. I have been a great promoter myself. Is there a chance for me start my own organization? Possibly. I just really think that I want to be in an organization that is going to care about the fighters and not really care about the brand itself and that's what it really comes down to

LEONARD
05-17-2008, 09:19 AM
The best part of the conf call...BJ giving Sherk hell... :lol
http://mmamania.com/2008/05/17/bj-penn-confronts-sean-sherk-on-steroid-use-prior-to-ufc-84-fight-audio/

2centsworth
05-17-2008, 03:45 PM
This is a pretty nice card. where can I see it in town?

LEONARD
05-17-2008, 04:06 PM
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dbreiden83080
05-17-2008, 04:08 PM
Main Card
Lightweight Championship bout: B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
Light Heavyweight bout: Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine
Light Heavyweight bout: Thiago Silva vs. Antonio Mendes
Light Heavyweight bout: Wilson Gouveia vs. Goran Reljic

Probably picking with my heart more than my head here as i love Tito and Wandy and want them to win badly. Although i don't think Tito beating Machida is a big upset frankly, he is good but if Tito gets him down he is going to win the fight, i feel. He was taken down in his last fight, it is not like Tito is dealing with Chuck Liddell takedown defense here. I really have Sherk wearing down BJ and getting him late. It is a 5 rd title fight, BJ for all his skill, his cardio is still not great even at this new weight. Sherk is a cardio machine, he gets the fight in deep water and he'll win.

LEONARD
05-17-2008, 04:11 PM
BJ by mauling before end of rd 2...

B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares
Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

2centsworth
05-17-2008, 04:14 PM
thanks leonard!

this is an underrated card IMO.


Tito is right when it comes to the money. Fighters should get paid. Even in boxing, lower tier fighters are getting $10k a fight. Is it true MMA lower end guys are getting 1-2k?

dbreiden83080
05-17-2008, 04:19 PM
BJ by mauling before end of rd 2...

B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares
Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

How is BJ going to maul Sherk, the guy was destroying everyone in that division before he got suspended. This is the same BJ that gassed out and got whipped in the 3rd RD by Matt Hughes.

2centsworth
05-17-2008, 04:25 PM
I think Sherk wears Penn out.

Keith Jardine will KO Silva.

Tito is focused on the wrong thing before such a big fight. Machida by KO, but Tito will be appreciated more later.

Thiago is a monster.

I don't recognize the other names except Salaverry.

Evan
05-17-2008, 04:48 PM
I think Sherk wears Penn out.

Keith Jardine will KO Silva.

Tito is focused on the wrong thing before such a big fight. Silva by KO, but Tito will be appreciated more later.

Thiago is a monster.

I don't recognize the other names except Salaverry.

There are a lot of "possible huge names 1 or 2 years down the road" type fighters on this card. Which is awesome.


Pay special attention to Shane Carwin.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4365/shane-carwin-could-be-best-of-the-bunch.mma

LEONARD
05-19-2008, 09:58 AM
Sean Sherk is next…hahaha. Dexter fans will like this…
http://www.icetruck.tv/index.php?id=d0e8059fd4f60e1cbcb398a17f75530c

atxrocker
05-19-2008, 12:47 PM
this is such a solid fucking card. can't wait to catch this one.

dbreiden83080
05-19-2008, 06:30 PM
One thing that is going to be funny is, i guarantee you there will be no post-fight interview at all after the Tito/Machida fight. Tito is even saying in interviews "Yeah they aren't gonna give me the mike but it is going to be hard to get me out of there". Tito is going to want to thank his fans and give Dana a final FU before he leaves. I expect security all around the octagon looking to escort Tito out of there when it is over and Buffer nowhere near the ring when he announces the winner. Should be funny to see. They may even just cut away and start doing promos while Tito is being taken out.

Evan
05-21-2008, 09:32 PM
One thing that is going to be funny is, i guarantee you there will be no post-fight interview at all after the Tito/Machida fight. Tito is even saying in interviews "Yeah they aren't gonna give me the mike but it is going to be hard to get me out of there". Tito is going to want to thank his fans and give Dana a final FU before he leaves. I expect security all around the octagon looking to escort Tito out of there when it is over and Buffer nowhere near the ring when he announces the winner. Should be funny to see. They may even just cut away and start doing promos while Tito is being taken out.

You need to see countdown to UFC 84 and you'll change your tune

djohn14
05-22-2008, 07:39 AM
B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk (UFC Lightweight Title)...Please BJ!
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine...The beast is back
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida...Lyoto is better all around, and even though I hate Tito, I havent gotten over Lyoto beating Sokoudjou
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva Mendes is what...14-2, but Thiago Silva is a straight up beast and in my openion top 5 in his division
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia...Goran is undefeated, and yeah Gouveia is good, but Goran is going to pull it out.

Prelim Card

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura-Sokoudjou is going to rebound!
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan-Kim...Ive heard pretty good reviews about him
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch...I give this to Carwin
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares...Rousimar is a beast...Ivan...your getting old bud
Jeremy Stephens vs. Terry Etim....tossup...I'll go with Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida...Could care less...but Ill say Koppenhaver because I know him.

DBryant88
05-22-2008, 08:26 AM
Ortiz goes out in style

cornbread
05-22-2008, 09:44 AM
Penn
Silva
Ortiz
Silva
Gouveia

Sokoudjou
Kim
Carwin
Salaverry
Clementi
Koppenhaver


Clementi is a badass. I think he'll be eatin' Etim's lunch.

dallaskd
05-22-2008, 07:38 PM
I want Vbookie but kori is probably too busy with playoff stuff. im not going to bug her.

oligarchy
05-23-2008, 10:56 AM
B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk
Wanderlei Silva vs. Keith Jardine
Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida
Antonio Mendes vs. Thiago Silva
Goran Reljic vs. Wilson Gouveia

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan-Kim
Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Ivan Salaverry vs. Rousimar Palhares
Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

Evan
05-23-2008, 11:07 AM
If Wanderlei loses...I will sports cry...

oligarchy
05-23-2008, 12:06 PM
Rich Clementi is fighting Terry Etim -- maybe some people want to update the card noted or their picks?

Evan
05-23-2008, 12:43 PM
Rich Clementi is fighting Terry Etim -- maybe some people want to update the card noted or their picks?


I'm starting to see something in this dude

DBryant88
05-23-2008, 12:57 PM
me 2 he has a lot of prospect

LEONARD
05-23-2008, 01:32 PM
Previews and picks
http://mmamania.com/2008/05/22/ufc-84-predictions-preview-and-analysis/
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/5/23/534838/bloodyelbow-com-staff-pred

Press conf videos
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/5/23/534734/ufc-84-press-conference

MMA Live episode 2 with UFC 84 discussion
http://mmamania.com/2008/05/22/mma-live-on-espncom-episode-2-ufc-84-preview-and-more/

BJ video
http://mmamania.com/2008/05/22/bj-penn-vs-sean-sherk-video-ufc-84-its-almost-time/

BJ giving Sherk hell during the conf call…funny stuff. He raises a good point though…Sherk should test at the same nandro levels this time around if that’s just HIS natural level, which is what even Dana was claiming at one point.
http://mmamania.com/2008/05/17/bj-penn-confronts-sean-sherk-on-steroid-use-prior-to-ufc-84-fight-audio/

Shane Carwin article…watch out for this guy…they’re giving him an easy debut…
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4365/shane-carwin-could-be-best-of-the-bunch.mma

Carwin highlight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAlAneaYjqU

Sean Sherk is next…hahaha. Dexter fans will like this…
http://www.icetruck.tv/index.php?id=d0e8059fd4f60e1cbcb398a17f75530c

cornbread
05-23-2008, 01:32 PM
I really hope Salaverry wins. He can be one of the most entertaining fighters when he wants to be.

Evan
05-23-2008, 01:40 PM
I really hope Salaverry wins. He can be one of the most entertaining fighters when he wants to be.

Me too, I like the guy but he's weird.

I think his career is basically over though. He ends up hating everyone he works for, hates the pay and supposedly runs a good gym. I think almost everything interview I have read from him states he is retiring soon.

cornbread
05-23-2008, 01:54 PM
Yeah, he's getting up there in age and seems too intelligent to stay in the fight game any longer than necessary.

I would've liked to see him against some of the top guys. His sophisticated technique gives him a shot against anybody IMO. But watching him destroy cans and average fighters was a lot of fun too. If you never saw his WFA match against Art Santore, you should see it. It's a blood bath.

cornbread
05-23-2008, 01:59 PM
Salaverry HL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kCrBpjkQs

Evan
05-23-2008, 02:12 PM
Yeah, he's getting up there in age and seems too intelligent to stay in the fight game any longer than necessary.

I would've liked to see him against some of the top guys. His sophisticated technique gives him a shot against anybody IMO. But watching him destroy cans and average fighters was a lot of fun too. If you never saw his WFA match against Art Santore, you should see it. It's a blood bath.

I've seen it but the video was fairly poor quality so I don't recall much..the WFA had that weird overhead angle shot. Once upon a time he was a weird version of Mayhem Miller

Evan
05-23-2008, 02:40 PM
is this when he was dancing in his jock strap?

cornbread
05-23-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't remember the jock strap but what I do remember is that beat the living crap out of Art Santore. He must have kicked him in the head about 20 times in that fight.

Evan
05-23-2008, 03:47 PM
I'm going to try to find it...he does a cartwheel only wearing his jock...lol

cornbread
05-23-2008, 03:58 PM
I can't find it anywhere. Bas and Mayhem's fights are out there. Mayhem's entrance was hilarious at that show.

Evan
05-23-2008, 04:03 PM
I can't find it anywhere. Bas and Mayhem's fights are out there. Mayhem's entrance was hilarious at that show.

LEONARD think's its the fight against Fryklund but I can't check at work, I will search tonight or tomorrow morning.

- LEONARD'S too busy playing with slide rules and levels to check.

LEONARD
05-23-2008, 05:20 PM
LOL...

I think I have all those WFA fights at home...

Evan
05-23-2008, 06:46 PM
http://i30.tinypic.com/vcz7ef.jpg

Evan
05-23-2008, 06:47 PM
LOL...

I think I have all those WFA fights at home...

I'm pretty sure one of those DVD's has it that I sent in December

dbreiden83080
05-23-2008, 06:58 PM
http://i30.tinypic.com/vcz7ef.jpg

LOL, oh GOD!!!!!!!

Evan
05-23-2008, 07:06 PM
LOL, oh GOD!!!!!!!

I knew you would love it:toast

Evan
05-23-2008, 07:06 PM
by the way...rumor has it that there is a 4 fight contract deal that has been agreed to in principal. who knows

dbreiden83080
05-23-2008, 07:57 PM
by the way...rumor has it that there is a 4 fight contract deal that has been agreed to in principal. who knows

You know what if he wins this fight i would bet anything he stays in the UFC. If he loses then he would likely go because he has no credibility left as a contender. Who is there for him to fight outside the UFC and make a lot of money?? If he wins, he could fight Rashad or Forrest in big money rematches, maybe one day fight Rampage all big money high interest fights.

Evan
05-23-2008, 08:09 PM
You know what if he wins this fight i would bet anything he stays in the UFC. If he loses then he would likely go because he has no credibility left as a contender. Who is there for him to fight outside the UFC and make a lot of money?? If he wins, he could fight Rashad or Forrest in big money rematches, maybe one day fight Rampage all big money high interest fights.

Agree.

Although its possible some org will sign him as a anti UFC mouthpiece but I am not sure who can afford such a luxury as he will come at a high price. He has always said he loves the UFC and Fetittas so who knows.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. If he goes anywhere I hope it is EliteXC as Affliction is not long for this world despite a fantastic first show.

dbreiden83080
05-24-2008, 10:04 PM
What a terrible fight that was with Tito and Machida other than the 3rd RD. Now i see first hand why so many top 205 contenders don't want to fight that guy. He is so Awkward it is crazy. He fights you basically backing up. He throws tons of faints and is really hard to hit. Tito i thought had that submission in the 3rd RD, man was it close.

Bye Bye Tito i loved you back in the day but you are not the same anymore and the sport at this elite level has passed you bye. It's a shame for me but what are you gonna do????

dbreiden83080
05-24-2008, 10:44 PM
Hell yeah Wandy is BACK BABY, what a win over Jardine, with the KO in 36 seconds, man did he need that and it was SWEEEEEEEEEEETT

GO WANDY!!!!!:toast:toast

Rip-Hamilton32
05-24-2008, 10:52 PM
seems like jardine has a glass jaw

dbreiden83080
05-24-2008, 11:35 PM
seems like jardine has a glass jaw

Getting hit by one of the best 205 pd fighters ever will do that

dbreiden83080
05-24-2008, 11:39 PM
Great win by Penn, i got that pick wrong. I thought Sherk's gameplan was not a good one. He got picked apart badly in RD 1, thought he needed to come out in RD 2, throwing strikes with the intent to take BJ down and he didn't. He was clearly afraid of BJ's Submissions. Coming in though i did not think he was going to beat BJ by just standing and trading with him, BJ has great strikes and is hard to hit.

BJ called it, looks like he wants GSP in a re-match in what would be a hell of a fight. I guess after GSP beats Fitch which he should, then BJ is next. Can't wait for that one, hopefully my boy GSP is up to the challenge.

Evan
05-25-2008, 08:04 AM
What a terrible fight that was with Tito and Machida other than the 3rd RD. Now i see first hand why so many top 205 contenders don't want to fight that guy. He is so Awkward it is crazy. He fights you basically backing up. He throws tons of faints and is really hard to hit. Tito i thought had that submission in the 3rd RD, man was it close.

Bye Bye Tito i loved you back in the day but you are not the same anymore and the sport at this elite level has passed you bye. It's a shame for me but what are you gonna do????

Man I thought it was an awesome fight. Lyoto is amazingly talented

Tito had everything riding on this and I thought Joe did an awesome post fight interview with him. They didn't hide anything.

Evan
05-25-2008, 08:06 AM
seems like jardine has a glass jaw

Everyone's jaw turns to glass when Wanderlei gets a good shot at you.

Evan
05-25-2008, 09:36 AM
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9176/2e2nod4vm0.gif

^ref

Evan
05-25-2008, 09:42 AM
http://i30.tinypic.com/219s4eg.jpg

Evan
05-25-2008, 09:43 AM
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2668/estrada2egx4.gif

dbreiden83080
05-25-2008, 10:49 AM
Man I thought it was an awesome fight. Lyoto is amazingly talented

Tito had everything riding on this and I thought Joe did an awesome post fight interview with him. They didn't hide anything.

An awesome fight. The guy hits you then takes 2 steps back and then hits you again. He is tactical but very boring to watch, not a style the UFC can really sell and he barely speaks english. Good fighter but i was bored to tears watching him fight. Tito should retire he has nothing left.

macdude06
05-25-2008, 10:58 AM
anyone else got any videos or know where i can see some..i watched the fights last night just wanna see a replay..

thanks

Johnny_Blaze_47
05-25-2008, 11:02 AM
That was a damn entertaining broadcast.

And BTW, BWW @ 281/1604 only had a $5 cover, we got there about 45 minutes before the broadcast started and had a great table.

macdude06
05-25-2008, 11:34 AM
BWW has a cover??

Indigo Joes doesnt?

Evan
05-25-2008, 12:56 PM
An awesome fight. The guy hits you then takes 2 steps back and then hits you again. He is tactical but very boring to watch, not a style the UFC can really sell and he barely speaks english. Good fighter but i was bored to tears watching him fight. Tito should retire he has nothing left.

agree to disagree on Lyoto. I find him an absolute pleasure to watch.

Evan
05-25-2008, 01:00 PM
We got to see all of these but 2. Worth every penny.

* B.J. Penn def. Sean Sherk via TKO (referee’s decision) at 5:00 of Round 3
* Wanderlei Silva def. Keith Jardine via KO at 0:36 of Round 1
* Goran Reljic def. Wilson Gouveia via TKO at 3:15 of Round 2
* Lyoto Machida def. Tito Ortiz via unanimous decision
* Thiago Silva def. Antonio Mendes via submission (strikes) at 2:24 of Round 1
* Rousimar Palhares def. Ivan Salaverry via submission at 2:36 of Round 1
* Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou def. Kazuhiro Nakamura via TKO (referee’s decision) at 5:00 of Round 1
* Rich Clementi def. Terry Etim via unanimous decision
* Yoshiyuki Yoshida def. Jon Koppenhaver via submission at 0:56 of Round 1
* Dong Hyun Kim def. Jason Tan via TKO at 0:25 of Round 1
* Shane Carwin def. Christian Wellisch via KO at 0:44 of Round 1

polandprzem
05-25-2008, 01:11 PM
http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/315o3750aaaa_165.jpg

polandprzem
05-25-2008, 01:12 PM
http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/489p1817aaaa_448.jpg


All from polish forum

polandprzem
05-25-2008, 01:13 PM
http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/489p1852aaa_212.jpg


http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/489p1884aaaa1_107.jpg


http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/489p1910aaaa_200.jpg

Evan
05-25-2008, 01:30 PM
http://cyber-sport.us/zalaczniki/315o3750aaaa_165.jpg

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats going to last for a month.

Evan
05-25-2008, 01:57 PM
and people are really misinterpreting his elusiveness.

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/61/61102.jpg

Evan
05-25-2008, 02:00 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb296/smoogyfc/wandyownage02.gif

dbreiden83080
05-25-2008, 04:31 PM
and people are really misinterpreting his elusiveness.

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/61/61102.jpg

Tito fought like shit last night, after RD 1 i knew it was all over, i mean Machida even took him down and was pounding him out. I know the game has passed him bye but you gotta admit he is not the same anymore. That was not the Tito that fought Vitor or even the Tito that fought Forrest. He has no explosion at all anymore, he is just average at everything he does.

dbreiden83080
05-25-2008, 04:32 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb296/smoogyfc/wandyownage02.gif

WARRRRRRRR

Wandy, it was a pleasure to see him KO Jardine last night, he's back

BigDaddyMatty
05-25-2008, 04:33 PM
Tito sucked, and I'd be surprised if he found an org. that is interested in overpaying him.

Evan
05-25-2008, 04:35 PM
.......but you gotta admit he is not the same anymore. That was not the Tito that fought Vitor or even the Tito that fought Forrest. He has no explosion at all anymore, he is just average at everything he does.

Been saying this for a long time.

Evan
05-25-2008, 04:40 PM
WARRRRRRRR

Wandy, it was a pleasure to see him KO Jardine last night, he's back

Its the shaved head :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

dbreiden83080
05-25-2008, 04:47 PM
Been saying this for a long time.

I know but as a fan of his it was harder for me to accept, last night it was crystal clear, he is done.

dbreiden83080
05-25-2008, 04:48 PM
Its the shaved head :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

LOL , yeah and isn't it funny that he has crushed now 2 guys that have wins over Chuck. Too bad he fought terribly against Chuck.

Evan
05-25-2008, 05:52 PM
I know but as a fan of his it was harder for me to accept, last night it was crystal clear, he is done.

I think it sucks he's done. I personally don't like him but I love to hate him and thats awesome to have someone like him who can compete. I can't think of anyone else like him on the horizon.

Tito has confirmed now that he was offered a contract and I am sure deep down he is really regretting not signing it.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2aflrop.jpg

djohn14
05-25-2008, 05:58 PM
A very good card. 2 people that impressed me where Rousimere Paulhares and Goran Reljic. Two unknowns who opened a can. Paulhares has a great ground game and showed it flipping out of the rear-naked choke and into that arm bar. Goran showed one helluva Leg kick. Cro Cop has trained him and it showed. He has a powerful left side, but he needs to use that right side too. But you can brawl if you KO Gouveia. He also showed smarts when he was about to get KOed by jumping like a frog and pulling Wilson down. I look forward to seeing both of these youngsters back VERY SOON!

dallaskd
05-26-2008, 11:54 AM
dammit! tito had that choke. does anyone have his post fight interview. i went to BWW and it was so damn loud people that were screaming i couldnt listen to the interview. so many morons there, never doing that again.

Sherk looked good as hell...he could beat BJ in a rematch imo.

Wandy is a beast end of story. is he dropping to 185?

Evan was right about Carwin..dude is a beast. I left after the title fight..what did they show after? I had to get out of there. I need the Soku fight.

dallaskd
05-26-2008, 11:59 AM
A very good card. 2 people that impressed me where Rousimere Paulhares and Goran Reljic. Two unknowns who opened a can. Paulhares has a great ground game and showed it flipping out of the rear-naked choke and into that arm bar. Goran showed one helluva Leg kick. Cro Cop has trained him and it showed. He has a powerful left side, but he needs to use that right side too. But you can brawl if you KO Gouveia. He also showed smarts when he was about to get KOed by jumping like a frog and pulling Wilson down. I look forward to seeing both of these youngsters back VERY SOON!

+1

Gouveia got beasted on. i was suprised.

dallaskd
05-26-2008, 12:07 PM
whats the biz on the soku fight?!?!?! i missed it!

what fights did they show after penn-sherk?

dallaskd
05-26-2008, 12:13 PM
so he called out Shogun? why? what he say?

Evan
05-26-2008, 12:27 PM
dammit! tito had that choke. does anyone have his post fight interview. i went to BWW and it was so damn loud people that were screaming i couldnt listen to the interview. so many morons there, never doing that again.

Sherk looked good as hell...he could beat BJ in a rematch imo.

Wandy is a beast end of story. is he dropping to 185?

Evan was right about Carwin..dude is a beast. I left after the title fight..what did they show after? I had to get out of there. I need the Soku fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB_6OlK-LR8

I don't think he will drop now that he got a W.

I cannot wait for Carwin's next fight. I am surprised he came in a bit light...he normally cuts to 260 from what I have read.

And there is no links to fights...very very weird. I think it may be that so many saw it nobody has hassled yet.

Evan
05-26-2008, 12:28 PM
whats the biz on the soku fight?!?!?! i missed it!

what fights did they show after penn-sherk?

You should have stuck around for another 90 seconds. He looked awesome.

Evan
05-26-2008, 12:29 PM
so he called out Shogun? why? what he say?

He just took the mic and said "Shogun"

oligarchy
05-26-2008, 01:41 PM
An awesome fight. The guy hits you then takes 2 steps back and then hits you again. He is tactical but very boring to watch, not a style the UFC can really sell and he barely speaks english. Good fighter but i was bored to tears watching him fight. Tito should retire he has nothing left.

Agree.

Sorry Evan, but we can also agree to disagree. He is in the same boat as Tim Fucking Sylvia. They fight to do enough to win a decision. They don't look to finish fights.

You, or anyone else, can talk about his elusiveness. How many times was that thrown around anyway? He's simply a very quick and nimble counter-puncher who doesn't look to bring the fight. You can say the same about Chuck being a counter-puncher as well, but Chuck also has much more aggression (excluding the Jardine fight).

I've read the arguments that people that dislike Lyoto just want to see the violence, but if you are watching this sport, you are watching for the violence. Plain and simple. No two ways about it. Now, the amount that you are watching for may vary slightly by fan.

I don't care for him and his 'elusiveness', I'd prefer to watch a fighter like Silva or Rampage or even Forrest. Fighters with heart, that want to win a fight by beating a fighter, rather than winning points.

djohn14
05-26-2008, 02:03 PM
Agree.

Sorry Evan, but we can also agree to disagree. He is in the same boat as Tim Fucking Sylvia. They fight to do enough to win a decision. They don't look to finish fights.

You, or anyone else, can talk about his elusiveness. How many times was that thrown around anyway? He's simply a very quick and nimble counter-puncher who doesn't look to bring the fight. You can say the same about Chuck being a counter-puncher as well, but Chuck also has much more aggression (excluding the Jardine fight).

I've read the arguments that people that dislike Lyoto just want to see the violence, but if you are watching this sport, you are watching for the violence. Plain and simple. No two ways about it. Now, the amount that you are watching for may vary slightly by fan.

I don't care for him and his 'elusiveness', I'd prefer to watch a fighter like Silva or Rampage or even Forrest. Fighters with heart, that want to win a fight by beating a fighter, rather than winning points.Exactly...perfect post...Machida however, does have very good talent, and I feel if he wanted to end his fights he could...he just fights not to lose instead of fighting to win.

Evan
05-26-2008, 02:12 PM
So would you guys have changed your mind if he stood there and blocked strikes instead of attacking and repositioning?

Evan
05-26-2008, 02:17 PM
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Ortiz.html

Evan
05-26-2008, 02:21 PM
I have seen everyone of Lyoto's fight since he fought and beat BJ at K-1. Here is the difference between Tim and Lytoto. Lyoto has incredible talent and he is progressing...Tim...well we have been over that one. :)

Keep in mid...we're talking 13 fights here. Give these guys a chance to evolve.

Tim has almost 30 fights...he is what he is.

dallaskd
05-26-2008, 02:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB_6OlK-LR8

:lmao @ Jenna

oligarchy
05-26-2008, 03:25 PM
So would you guys have changed your mind if he stood there and blocked strikes instead of attacking and repositioning?

Not sure that I would call it "attacking and repositioning." I'm not sure what would change my mind.

So, if Kalib Starnes had punched Quarry a few times, or landed a few kicks while still 'eluding' Quarry, would you be a fan of his?

djohn14
05-26-2008, 03:39 PM
Haha...Starnes is a pussy.

dbreiden83080
05-26-2008, 04:01 PM
:lmao @ Jenna

The 2 of them have become a side show act and it is played out. Tito needs to dump her already.

Evan
05-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Not sure that I would call it "attacking and repositioning." I'm not sure what would change my mind.

So, if Kalib Starnes had punched Quarry a few times, or landed a few kicks while still 'eluding' Quarry, would you be a fan of his?

Seriously....you think what Lyoto and Kalib did is even in the same ballpark?

oligarchy
05-26-2008, 06:50 PM
Seriously....you think what Lyoto and Kalib did is even in the same ballpark?

No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take Tito down. Why didn't he attack Tito with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?

djohn14
05-26-2008, 06:55 PM
No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take Tito down. Why didn't he attack Tito with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?Lyoto is a great fighter...he just dosent want to take the chance of getting countered. I cant blame him, but it dosent make for an exciting fight.

dbreiden83080
05-26-2008, 06:55 PM
No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take Tito down. Why didn't he attack Tito with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?

When that happened and he was pounding Tito out, he was really saved by the bell, i knew Tito was through. As a fan of his it was tough to see but it was one of those, this is the end for Tito type of moments.

Evan
05-26-2008, 07:25 PM
No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?


Simply striking doesn't make him a good fighter..Lyoto was striking and floating away like a puff of smoke. Kalib was simply running.

Every step and attack Lyoto made he was trying to set up another move.


I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take Tito down. Why didn't he attack Tito with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?

Being such an amazing technical fighter I assume his was doing exactly what his corner was telling him. Besides...Tito wasn't landing shit...why risk it? Tito should absolutely zero ability to handle Lyoto.

Look I'm not saying we had 2004 Cro Cop out there...but to me it was far from boring.

Evan
05-26-2008, 07:30 PM
Lyoto is a great fighter...he just dosent want to take the chance of getting countered. I cant blame him, but it dosent make for an exciting fight.

While I found it thrilling I can certainly understand why the masses may feel like this.

cornbread
05-26-2008, 08:13 PM
I give Toquihno 3 fights max until he breaks somebody's bone(s). His subs look as if not more viscous than Mir's.

oligarchy
05-26-2008, 08:52 PM
Simply striking doesn't make him a good fighter..Lyoto was striking and floating away like a puff of smoke. Kalib was simply running.

Every step and attack Lyoto made he was trying to set up another move.


He didn't look to setup another move. There were plenty of opportunities where Lyoto could have done much more with his striking and combos, but simply didn't capitalize on them. He looked to land a strike and immediately move out of the way. E.g., look at his low-right, high-left combo. Before he even followed through with the RHK he was leaning back and immediately was moving out.



Being such an amazing technical fighter I assume his was doing exactly what his corner was telling him. Besides...Tito wasn't landing shit...why risk it? Tito should absolutely zero ability to handle Lyoto.

Look I'm not saying we had 2004 Cro Cop out there...but to me it was far from boring.
Was Quarry landing anything against Starnes? :king
But that's the reason people don't like him. That's the reason he will NEVER be a big time fighter.

Evan
05-26-2008, 08:55 PM
He is greatly improving with each fight and this is coming from someone who used to think he was boring.

13-0...you can't call his career just yet. Let him at least hit his stride.

dbreiden83080
05-26-2008, 09:05 PM
Sherk looked good as hell...he could beat BJ in a rematch imo.

Wandy is a beast end of story. is he dropping to 185?


Sherk's gameplan was not a good one at all. After RD 1 when he got outstruck on the feet and went back to his corner cut under his eye, he needed to change strategies in RD 2. He never once did anything but stand and trade with Penn, that was the extent of his gameplan. He was so scared of Penn's submissions that takedowns were not something he was looking for and you are not going to beat BJ by fighting one dimensional like that. It wasn't that Sherk was not as skilled a boxer, it was the reach advantage that BJ had that was killing him.

oligarchy
05-26-2008, 10:07 PM
You would have thought I wrote this.

http://fightlinker.com/blog/?p=2341

desflood
05-27-2008, 01:11 PM
Love this quote from some anonymous fan:

"Lyoto is the San Antonio Spurs of MMA… they keep winning and the ratings suck no matter what."

Evan
05-27-2008, 01:21 PM
Love this quote from some anonymous fan:

"Lyoto is the San Antonio Spurs of MMA… they keep winning and the ratings suck no matter what."

heh...fundamentals

dbreiden83080
05-27-2008, 01:22 PM
It is so hard to gameplan for a guy like Lyoto, he is so awkward. I heard even Liddell didn't want to fight that guy.

LEONARD
05-27-2008, 04:57 PM
9/11 on my picks...and I switched to Yoshida, but never changed it here.. :lol

Great card overall...9 fights and only 1 decision...

BJ is the man...will be interesting to see if he gets his way. GSP is already fighting Fitch in August. Too bad they can't get Gomi, Aoki, or whoever wins the DREAM LW GP in for his next fight. I'd LOVE to see him smash Florian or Huerta though... :lol

Wanderlei "The Roid Monkey" Silva looked great...definitely the shaved head that made the difference. Jardine has to be the most inconsistent fighter ever...

Machida-Tito...eh...whatever. If Tito had pulled off the triangle/armbar it would've been an all-time great comeback. Machida doesn't excite me, but he's a genius in the ring. Would like to see Wanderlei vs Machida...

Goran Reljic definitely has something...Gouveia is no joke. Great kicks, good striking overall, and smart (ie, pulling guard when hurt).

Silva-Mendes was better than expected...props to Mendes for coming out blazing...

Glad Sokoudjou got the win...see ya Nakamura. We'll miss your funny weigh-ins...

Salaverry mailed it in as expected...

Carwin got the impressive win as expected...

and Yoshida and Kim looked GREAT...can't wait to see more of them...


Sherk looked good as hell...he could beat BJ in a rematch imo.

WHAAAAAAAAAAA????????????????// :lol

Sherk isn't in BJ's class...

LEONARD
05-27-2008, 04:58 PM
All fights...

Main Card
B.J. Penn vs. Sean
avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/5829lv

Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva (KO of the Night)
avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?54g0jl49b3d
mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?uyz4t2yxxtz

Wilson Gouveia vs. Goran Reljic (Fight of the Night)
avi – http://www.mediafire.com/?1z7hhetxnn3

Lyoto Machida vs. Tito Ortiz
avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/0vs5pq

Thiago Silva vs. Antonio Mendes
avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?dhzseqzaxbp
mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?zuyb3vbajez

Aired Prelims
Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry (Submission of the Night)
avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?m41humcvw3l

Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Wmv (Korean commentary) – http://www.mediafire.com/?y21bmxmmwha

John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?99xlwbci3cg

Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?gxzvyctnxmj

Un-aired Prelims
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?undjwwyv2zt

Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?9pejcivtsoo

dbreiden83080
05-27-2008, 05:02 PM
BJ is the man...will be interesting to see if he gets his way. GSP is already fighting Fitch in August. Too bad they can't get Gomi, Aoki, or whoever wins the DREAM LW GP in for his next fight. I'd LOVE to see him smash Florian or Huerta though... :lol


That is the problem when you are GSP and everyone thinks you are so great, everyone wants to fight you looking to take your place. BJ/GSP 2 likely will happen sooner rather than later, because it is a huge selling fight.

LEONARD
05-27-2008, 05:03 PM
"Memo to Everyone: Lyoto is Not Starnes"
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/27/note-lyoto-machida-is-not-kalib-starnes/

Evan
05-27-2008, 06:49 PM
...... Jardine has to be the most inconsistent fighter ever...

I agree with that.

I think he would be a perfect cross weight for a division between LHW and HW.

djohn14
05-27-2008, 08:15 PM
9/11 on my picks...and I switched to Yoshida, but never changed it here.. :lol

Great card overall...9 fights and only 1 decision...

BJ is the man...will be interesting to see if he gets his way. GSP is already fighting Fitch in August. Too bad they can't get Gomi, Aoki, or whoever wins the DREAM LW GP in for his next fight. I'd LOVE to see him smash Florian or Huerta though... :lol

Wanderlei "The Roid Monkey" Silva looked great...definitely the shaved head that made the difference. Jardine has to be the most inconsistent fighter ever...

Machida-Tito...eh...whatever. If Tito had pulled off the triangle/armbar it would've been an all-time great comeback. Machida doesn't excite me, but he's a genius in the ring. Would like to see Wanderlei vs Machida...

Goran Reljic definitely has something...Gouveia is no joke. Great kicks, good striking overall, and smart (ie, pulling guard when hurt).

Silva-Mendes was better than expected...props to Mendes for coming out blazing...

Glad Sokoudjou got the win...see ya Nakamura. We'll miss your funny weigh-ins...

Salaverry mailed it in as expected...Carwin got the impressive win as expected...

and Yoshida and Kim looked GREAT...can't wait to see more of them...



WHAAAAAAAAAAA????????????????// :lol

Sherk isn't in BJ's class...Please give some credit to Palhares on that, and we really cant judge on Sherk because he fought BJs fight.

dallaskd
05-27-2008, 09:04 PM
All fights...

Main Card
B.J. Penn vs. Sean
avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/5829lv

Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva (KO of the Night)
avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?54g0jl49b3d
mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?uyz4t2yxxtz

Wilson Gouveia vs. Goran Reljic (Fight of the Night)
avi – http://www.mediafire.com/?1z7hhetxnn3

Lyoto Machida vs. Tito Ortiz
avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/0vs5pq

Thiago Silva vs. Antonio Mendes
avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?dhzseqzaxbp
mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?zuyb3vbajez

Aired Prelims
Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry (Submission of the Night)
avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?m41humcvw3l

Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Wmv (Korean commentary) – http://www.mediafire.com/?y21bmxmmwha

John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?99xlwbci3cg

Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?gxzvyctnxmj

Un-aired Prelims
Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?undjwwyv2zt

Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?9pejcivtsoo


you are the king


thanks bro:toast

LEONARD
05-28-2008, 09:37 AM
Please give some credit to Palhares on that, and we really cant judge on Sherk because he fought BJs fight.

Go back and read some Salaverry interviews...he mailed it in a while back...

He fought BJ's fight because he and his team thought it was his best chance. They knew he'd get torched on the ground...

Completely outclassed...

LEONARD
05-28-2008, 09:38 AM
you are the king

thanks bro:toast

Aren't you on the freakin' email list dude? :lol

Evan
05-28-2008, 09:56 AM
Salaverry is a very strange guy…I'm not sure he spent more than 5 seconds thinking about his fight the moment he left the arena.

djohn14
05-28-2008, 10:09 AM
Go back and read some Salaverry interviews...he mailed it in a while back...

He fought BJ's fight because he and his team thought it was his best chance. They knew he'd get torched on the ground...

Completely outclassed...
No, I mean I've heard he was going to retire. Im just saying that you gave props to every fighter that won except for the guy who impressed me most with his ground skills.:whine

oligarchy
05-28-2008, 10:24 AM
fiveouncesofpain is the worst blog out there, sorry. Who gives a fuck about some lame ass pick-offs? Get a fucking clue.

The reason why people make the comparison is simple. He was backpedaling most of the fight. Yes, he certainly did come in and make the offensive.

People want to watch a fighter come in and attack someone's weaknesses. Ortiz has weaknesses and Lyoto could have done other things, but chooses to use his "elusive skills." EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT IS SLOWER THAN YOU is going to lose if you come in, hit, and move out and stay backpedaling. It's not that hard. He's not the greatest fighter ever, and he's not entertaining.

Wrestlers could hold people down the entire fight. Does that make them awesome? Nice use of, "he's using his strengths." Just because he's good at something that is winning him fights, doesn't mean people have to like it. It also doesn't make him great.

People haven't figured him out yet. They will. Just like people learned to shed the blankets.

People didn't bitch about Machida because they didn't have to watch him. Did people actually watch Machida-Soku? No. Did they watch Machida-Ortiz? Yes. So you heard more bitching. Again, get a clue.

DBryant88
05-28-2008, 10:48 AM
fiveouncesofpain is the worst blog out there, sorry. Who gives a fuck about some lame ass pick-offs? Get a fucking clue.

The reason why people make the comparison is simple. He was backpedaling most of the fight. Yes, he certainly did come in and make the offensive.

People want to watch a fighter come in and attack someone's weaknesses. Ortiz has weaknesses and Lyoto could have done other things, but chooses to use his "elusive skills." EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT IS SLOWER THAN YOU is going to lose if you come in, hit, and move out and stay backpedaling. It's not that hard. He's not the greatest fighter ever, and he's not entertaining.

Wrestlers could hold people down the entire fight. Does that make them awesome? Nice use of, "he's using his strengths." Just because he's good at something that is winning him fights, doesn't mean people have to like it. It also doesn't make him great.

People haven't figured him out yet. They will. Just like people learned to shed the blankets.

People didn't bitch about Machida because they didn't have to watch him. Did people actually watch Machida-Soku? No. Did they watch Machida-Ortiz? Yes. So you heard more bitching. Again, get a clue.

:lmao

LEONARD
05-28-2008, 12:43 PM
fiveouncesofpain is the worst blog out there, sorry. Who gives a fuck about some lame ass pick-offs? Get a fucking clue.

The reason why people make the comparison is simple. He was backpedaling most of the fight. Yes, he certainly did come in and make the offensive.

People want to watch a fighter come in and attack someone's weaknesses. Ortiz has weaknesses and Lyoto could have done other things, but chooses to use his "elusive skills." EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT IS SLOWER THAN YOU is going to lose if you come in, hit, and move out and stay backpedaling. It's not that hard. He's not the greatest fighter ever, and he's not entertaining.

Wrestlers could hold people down the entire fight. Does that make them awesome? Nice use of, "he's using his strengths." Just because he's good at something that is winning him fights, doesn't mean people have to like it. It also doesn't make him great.

People haven't figured him out yet. They will. Just like people learned to shed the blankets.

People didn't bitch about Machida because they didn't have to watch him. Did people actually watch Machida-Soku? No. Did they watch Machida-Ortiz? Yes. So you heard more bitching. Again, get a clue.

Spurs fans are on edge these days... :lol

oligarchy
05-28-2008, 01:42 PM
Spurs fans are on edge these days... :lol

Nope.. not at all, not me anyway. I'm not a suicidal Spurs fan. I knew the outcome of the series before it started. Of course, that has nothing to do with the topic here, but I'm not saddened by the loss.

I am just tired of reading about Lyoto Machida and how good he was in the cage or ever, especially from a site like fiveouncesofpain. More so, it's Sam Caplan, but it's spreading to the rest of their "writers." Things like, kids competing in MMA should be banned, Kimbo Slice shouldn't be getting any negative comments from people like Chuck, and his stupid takes on Affliction and why we shouldn't care about their business model, etc.

Evan
05-28-2008, 02:01 PM
More so, it's Sam Caplan, but it's spreading to the rest of their "writers." Things like, kids competing in MMA should be banned, Kimbo Slice shouldn't be getting any negative comments from people like Chuck, and his stupid takes on Affliction and why we shouldn't care about their business model, etc.

As a once upon a time avid reader of 5oz.com...I agree with all of this.

Ram is very very good though

djohn14
05-28-2008, 02:13 PM
OOO..I forgot about the big upcoming weekend. I believe Saturday is Elite XC on CBS with Kimbo...Gina...Robbie Lawler, and Sunday is Faber-Pulver.

Evan
05-28-2008, 02:21 PM
OOO..I forgot about the big upcoming weekend. I believe Saturday is Elite XC on CBS with Kimbo...Gina...Robbie Lawler, and Sunday is Faber-Pulver.

here ya go brother - its gonna be good

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97181

djohn14
05-28-2008, 04:58 PM
here ya go brother - its gonna be good

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97181

Thanks man...I didnt even pay attention to it on the main page, I just came here and clicked on UFC haha.

dallaskd
05-28-2008, 05:07 PM
fiveouncesofpain is the worst blog out there, sorry. Who gives a fuck about some lame ass pick-offs? Get a fucking clue.

The reason why people make the comparison is simple. He was backpedaling most of the fight. Yes, he certainly did come in and make the offensive.

People want to watch a fighter come in and attack someone's weaknesses. Ortiz has weaknesses and Lyoto could have done other things, but chooses to use his "elusive skills." EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT IS SLOWER THAN YOU is going to lose if you come in, hit, and move out and stay backpedaling. It's not that hard. He's not the greatest fighter ever, and he's not entertaining.

Wrestlers could hold people down the entire fight. Does that make them awesome? Nice use of, "he's using his strengths." Just because he's good at something that is winning him fights, doesn't mean people have to like it. It also doesn't make him great.

People haven't figured him out yet. They will. Just like people learned to shed the blankets.

People didn't bitch about Machida because they didn't have to watch him. Did people actually watch Machida-Soku? No. Did they watch Machida-Ortiz? Yes. So you heard more bitching. Again, get a clue.


Machida was very aggressive vs Sokoudjou and Nakamura

oligarchy
05-28-2008, 11:21 PM
Machida was very aggressive vs Sokoudjou and Nakamura

I think you are confusing fights. Sokoudjou was aggressive and coming forward and Machida was great at counter striking. Sokoudjou took the fight to the ground the first time, but got swept. Machida was quicker. Machida was able to punch and sweep Sokoudjou before he could even follow through with his LHK (RHK? I don't recall). That's when the fight went to the ground again. All exchanges on the feet were punch in, and move out.

djohn14
05-29-2008, 11:17 AM
I think what he was trying to say was that even though it was counter striking, he was involved in a lot of action.

oligarchy
05-29-2008, 11:38 AM
I think what he was trying to say was that even though it was counter striking, he was involved in a lot of action.

ok.. i'm sorry. Machida is the greatest. I thought I was watching another fighter.

Evan
05-29-2008, 12:00 PM
... unappreciated.

un·ap·pre·ci·at·ed
- adj.
1. Not recognized, as to quality or worth: an unappreciated gesture of good will.
2. Not having risen in price or value

Lyoto Machida is an unappreciated fighter.

He's intelligent and very technical. Machida may not always press the action, but he counters very well. He finds openings with his controlled aggression and is dangerous standing and on the ground. Machida has solid takedown defense and has an uncanny ability to spin out of a clinch. His unpredictability and unorthodox stance sets him apart from the rest of the light heavyweight division in the Ultimate Fighting Championship and in the world.

The Shotokan Karate black belt's style has been known to baffle his opponents, often leaving them flustered. Machida is undefeated as a professional and holds notable wins over Rich Franklin, Stephan Bonnar, B.J. Penn, Kazuhiro Nakamura, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou and most recently Tito Ortiz at UFC 84. That's an impressive list.

I personally enjoy watching Machida pick apart his opponents and completely frustrate them with his elusive yet unappreciatively dominant style. Unfortunately, that same fighting style has garnered him a bit of criticism. Of his 13 career victories, Machida has won eight of them by way of decision. Moreover, four of his five UFC appearances have resulted in unanimous decisions.

"He's a boring fighter." "All he does is run away." "He needs to press the action more."

Comments like these are abundant and are the main focus of his criticism. Those who were quick to write-off his performances as "dull" have yet to doubt the validity of his victories. He deservingly earned all of his wins without question.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Why should Machida steer away from the old adage and play into the strengths of his opponent? Trainers and coaches strive to create the best strategies for their athletes knowing the capabilities of the fighter. Lyoto Machida uses his natural talents to the best of his ability and implements them into his strategy for each fight. Is it really Machida's fault for executing brilliant game plans that break his opponents down? Why aren't his opponents criticized for being unable to overcome Machida with their strategies?

After five successful appearances in the Octagon, a title shot seems to be looming in Machida's near future. So what if Machida becomes the 205-pound champion? Will the UFC have a dilemma on their hands? How do you market what some call a "boring" fighter? What should the UFC do?

The answer is real simple. Nothing.

Allow me to digress for a moment. When Anderson Silva demolished Rich Franklin and took his middleweight belt in only his second Octagon appearance, many fans were stunned. Some were simply in denial. I recall hearing trivial comments that were a bit shocking and appalling to me. One that comes to mind was "How will the UFC market a fighter who can't even speak English?" After four successful title defenses, comments like that are mere afterthoughts.

I feel that the critics' concern about Machida's fighting style can be approached in a similar trivial manner. If Machida continues to win his fights in dominating fashion, he will market himself. Fans will learn to appreciate Machida's style as they become more educated about the sport and about the disciplines involved. If the UFC truly feels that Machida would be incapable of drawing a crowd as a headliner or co-headliner, then they'll likely supplement the fight card with other fighters to balance things out.

It's understandable that people want to be entertained, but there is one thing that is being overlooked. Machida is only one man with a unique style. Critics have been ranting about Machida as if he had five more clones in the UFC. He is just one person. I don't consider Machida a "boring" fighter; I find him very entertaining and I feel there are many more fighters out there who fit the "boring" description. He exemplifies what mixed martial arts truly is and it intrigues me to see if someone can eventually defeat Machida in the Octagon. The same intrigue could be said about Anderson Silva in his weight class.

I must admit that reading the recent banter and arguments about Machida has been rather amusing at times, but it really is an exercise in futility. For those who can't appreciate Lyoto's fights, simply don't watch. Don't spend your money if you feel that you won't get your money's worth.

Lyoto Machida's style is his own. He is more than capable of putting on an exciting fight and has shown that he can finish his opponents. Lyoto doesn't need to alter it to please others. In my humble opinion, there is more to "The Dragon" that we haven't seen yet. His style will change when he finally faces opposition that can make him change.

djohn14
05-29-2008, 12:21 PM
ok.. i'm sorry. Machida is the greatest. I thought I was watching another fighter.
What? What are you talking about? All I said was in the Soku fight he was involved in a lot of action.

oligarchy
05-29-2008, 01:23 PM
... unappreciated.

un·ap·pre·ci·at·ed
- adj.
1. Not recognized, as to quality or worth: an unappreciated gesture of good will.
2. Not having risen in price or value

Lyoto Machida is an unappreciated fighter.

He's intelligent and very technical. Machida may not always press the action, but he counters very well. He finds openings with his controlled aggression and is dangerous standing and on the ground. Machida has solid takedown defense and has an uncanny ability to spin out of a clinch. His unpredictability and unorthodox stance sets him apart from the rest of the light heavyweight division in the Ultimate Fighting Championship and in the world.

The Shotokan Karate black belt's style has been known to baffle his opponents, often leaving them flustered. Machida is undefeated as a professional and holds notable wins over Rich Franklin, Stephan Bonnar, B.J. Penn, Kazuhiro Nakamura, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou and most recently Tito Ortiz at UFC 84. That's an impressive list.

I personally enjoy watching Machida pick apart his opponents and completely frustrate them with his elusive yet unappreciatively dominant style. Unfortunately, that same fighting style has garnered him a bit of criticism. Of his 13 career victories, Machida has won eight of them by way of decision. Moreover, four of his five UFC appearances have resulted in unanimous decisions.

"He's a boring fighter." "All he does is run away." "He needs to press the action more."

Comments like these are abundant and are the main focus of his criticism. Those who were quick to write-off his performances as "dull" have yet to doubt the validity of his victories. He deservingly earned all of his wins without question.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Why should Machida steer away from the old adage and play into the strengths of his opponent? Trainers and coaches strive to create the best strategies for their athletes knowing the capabilities of the fighter. Lyoto Machida uses his natural talents to the best of his ability and implements them into his strategy for each fight. Is it really Machida's fault for executing brilliant game plans that break his opponents down? Why aren't his opponents criticized for being unable to overcome Machida with their strategies?

After five successful appearances in the Octagon, a title shot seems to be looming in Machida's near future. So what if Machida becomes the 205-pound champion? Will the UFC have a dilemma on their hands? How do you market what some call a "boring" fighter? What should the UFC do?

The answer is real simple. Nothing.

Allow me to digress for a moment. When Anderson Silva demolished Rich Franklin and took his middleweight belt in only his second Octagon appearance, many fans were stunned. Some were simply in denial. I recall hearing trivial comments that were a bit shocking and appalling to me. One that comes to mind was "How will the UFC market a fighter who can't even speak English?" After four successful title defenses, comments like that are mere afterthoughts.

I feel that the critics' concern about Machida's fighting style can be approached in a similar trivial manner. If Machida continues to win his fights in dominating fashion, he will market himself. Fans will learn to appreciate Machida's style as they become more educated about the sport and about the disciplines involved. If the UFC truly feels that Machida would be incapable of drawing a crowd as a headliner or co-headliner, then they'll likely supplement the fight card with other fighters to balance things out.

It's understandable that people want to be entertained, but there is one thing that is being overlooked. Machida is only one man with a unique style. Critics have been ranting about Machida as if he had five more clones in the UFC. He is just one person. I don't consider Machida a "boring" fighter; I find him very entertaining and I feel there are many more fighters out there who fit the "boring" description. He exemplifies what mixed martial arts truly is and it intrigues me to see if someone can eventually defeat Machida in the Octagon. The same intrigue could be said about Anderson Silva in his weight class.

I must admit that reading the recent banter and arguments about Machida has been rather amusing at times, but it really is an exercise in futility. For those who can't appreciate Lyoto's fights, simply don't watch. Don't spend your money if you feel that you won't get your money's worth.

Lyoto Machida's style is his own. He is more than capable of putting on an exciting fight and has shown that he can finish his opponents. Lyoto doesn't need to alter it to please others. In my humble opinion, there is more to "The Dragon" that we haven't seen yet. His style will change when he finally faces opposition that can make him change.

Did you write that? If so, good write-up. I believe it misses the focus of what most people are complaining about.

There is no doubt he is talented, and has an arsenal that could rival every fighter in the 205 lb division. That isn't a question, and it isn't even a debate. Machida is dangerous on the ground and on his feet. He has short, quick and explosive hands and feet. He is very capable in the clinch, and his ground skills are solid. I don't mean servicable, I mean he more is than capable at finishing on the ground.

To say that he exemplifies what mixed martial arts is about, is a joke. What about him explifies what this sport is about? Is it because he is undefeated that now he exmplifies what the sport is about? I'll give three names and tell me how his skills, etc. compare: Anderson Silva, GSP, and BJ Penn. No one -- not a single person would ever call these guys boring. All three are capable of dominating anyone at their weight division, and possibly higher divisions. Penn even fought Machida at 205! Some would argue that BJ possibly took that fight, but Machida clearly won. The problem was BJ was slower than a turtle and was fatigued.

Show me someone that can beat Silva at 185, currently. Show me a person who says his style is boring. So, what does Matchida have to do with boring? That's the question that needs to be answered. Let's look back at the history of MMA (let's par it down and say UFC because that's all anyone cares about anyway). A tiny man in a gi dominated men twice his size using BJJ. Were people bored with his style? No. It was quite intriguing to watch a man the stature of Royce come in and dominate. Did it last forever? No, people figured out the game. Then it was the evolution of the wrestlers. Was this boring? Of course. Action was stalled.

I never understood these so called "purists" of this sport. The people that believe everyone must enjoy the skills of a particular fighter. I believe Machida uses a tactic that is similar to what Wrestlers used to avoid damage and control the fight. So, if people welcome Machida, I welcome Lay N' Pray as a tactic to win fights. As they are both tactics used to win fights, avoid damage, etc. People may not agree with the opinion and say they are different cases, but it's my opinion.

Dan Severn was simply awesome, the way he would take down an opponent and control him. That's what the sport is all about, controlling the fight. I don't know why everyone thinks that laying on top of your opponent to avoid getting hit is boring. They need to adjust to that style of fighting. Hopefully, Machida's "style" gets figured out quickly so we can enjoy his skills.

Evan
05-29-2008, 01:55 PM
Did you write that?

Sorry I forgot to credit the source

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/mma/05/27/lyoto.unappreciated/index.html

Evan
05-29-2008, 01:57 PM
by the way...massive props to cnnsi for the new MMA section.

cornbread
05-29-2008, 02:24 PM
I love watching Machida fight and I find his style to be refreshing. It seems so many of the newer fighters just go out there, plant their feet, and "swing for the fences". To me, that's boring. But the UFC rewards this style of fighting and the public seems to demand it so it's becoming more prevelant.

Maybe it's a vicarious thing that I see him rely completely on technique, which reaffirms my long held faith in martial arts. Like the old days of Royce beating larger, stronger guys using technique. A lot of people thought it was boring to watch him fight but there was something reaffirming about it, at least for me.

I will admit though that matchups will be critical. If they match him up against the wrong guy it could turn into the Ultimate Paint Drying Championship, much like his match against Vernon White.

dallaskd
05-29-2008, 05:03 PM
I love watching Machida fight and I find his style to be refreshing. It seems so many of the newer fighters just go out there, plant their feet, and "swing for the fences". To me, that's boring. But the UFC rewards this style of fighting and the public seems to demand it so it's becoming more prevelant.

Maybe it's a vicarious thing that I see him rely completely on technique, which reaffirms my long held faith in martial arts. Like the old days of Royce beating larger, stronger guys using technique. A lot of people thought it was boring to watch him fight but there was something reaffirming about it, at least for me.

I will admit though that matchups will be critical. If they match him up against the wrong guy it could turn into the Ultimate Paint Drying Championship, much like his match against Vernon White.


good post. Dana rewards guys that go balls out even if they lose. (Clay Guida). which i think iis kind of dumb. Machida could hold a title some day because he fights to win, not to lose and get a fotn bonus.

and fans even if you think machida is the most boring fighter ever...dont boo. i hate the fact that american fans boo at every second of a fight if they're not swinging for the fences or slamming each other. What was with the boos during Soku-Nakamura? But i suppose if i paid top dollar for ufc seats i would want to be entertained too. off topic but american fans annoying me. i watched leonards videos and it looked like about 1,000 people in the seats during the undercard fights. pathetic.

djohn14
05-29-2008, 05:16 PM
good post. Dana rewards guys that go balls out even if they lose. (Clay Guida). which i think iis kind of dumb. Machida could hold a title some day because he fights to win, not to lose and get a fotn bonus.

and fans even if you think machida is the most boring fighter ever...dont boo. i hate the fact that american fans boo at every second of a fight if they're not swinging for the fences or slamming each other. What was with the boos during Soku-Nakamura? But i suppose if i paid top dollar for ufc seats i would want to be entertained too. off topic but american fans annoying me. i watched leonards videos and it looked like about 1,000 people in the seats during the undercard fights. pathetic.I dont think its dumb to reward them. I want the kind of people that go in there to put on a show, and constantly try. Dont give him a title shot for it...but keep putting him out there. Plus Guida is a good fighter. I said before that the Machida-Tito fight was boring, but what I meant by that was that it was boring compared to the rest of the fights. He by no means is a boring fighter, I just want to see the slugfests.

On a side note, is anyone as excited as me to see the Roger Huerta-Kenny Florian fight?

dallaskd
05-29-2008, 05:21 PM
On a side note, is anyone as excited as me to see the Roger Huerta-Kenny Florian fight?

Kenny will beat Huerta. Then get smashed by Penn. But it should be a good fight. Kenny has fought some tough guys. Huerta's competition...not so much. Besides Guida.

djohn14
05-29-2008, 05:38 PM
Yeah I think Kenny will win as well...I want Huerta to pull through, but Kenny is a beast.

dallaskd
05-29-2008, 05:40 PM
Leonard hates him for some reason.

sa_butta
05-30-2008, 06:41 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this...

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanhouse/media/2008/05/michaeljacksonufc425.jpg

After attending UFC 84 (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/tag/UFC84/), I noted that there were several celebrities at Octagonside, and that UFC shows were starting to be viewed as a good place to be seen (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/25/ufc-84-at-octagonside-the-sights-are-impressive-and-the-sounds/).

But what if you're a celebrity who wants to watch the fights but doesn't like to be seen? In that case, you put a sheet over your face and enjoy the show.

According to TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2008/05/26/jacko-enjoys-smacko-through-a-cracko/), that's what Michael Jackson (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/tag/MichaelJackson/)did on Saturday night:


MJ rolled up to the event in a wheelchair, just in time to watch Tito Ortiz get smacked around ... that is, if he could see anything through those ridiculously blacked out shades.
Yep, that's Jacko above. I hope he enjoyed the show as much as I did.

The guy in front of Jacko, by the way, is AOL Sports General Manager Derrick Heggans. And no, they didn't go to the event together.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/27/michael-jackson-likes-ufc-hates-being-seen/

dallaskd
05-31-2008, 01:19 PM
^already posted. but :lol its funny as hell

Evan
05-31-2008, 03:16 PM
so weird

dallaskd
07-04-2008, 10:04 PM
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00461/ortiz_682x400_461812a.jpg

Evan
07-21-2008, 02:47 PM
This replays this weekend FOR FREE ON SPIKE. One of the best cards top to bottom in awhile...everyone should check it out who missed it.

And yes...this is being done to screw with EliteXC.

dallaskd
07-21-2008, 03:33 PM
This replays this weekend FOR FREE ON SPIKE. One of the best cards top to bottom in awhile...everyone should check it out who missed it.

And yes...this is being done to screw with EliteXC.


Dana is a prick. :lol

Evan
07-21-2008, 03:37 PM
Dana is a prick. :lol

Dana is a very smart and shrewd businessman.


and a massive prick