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duncan228
05-12-2008, 10:43 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA051308.hornets-sider.en.f565dbcd.html

NBA: Hornets mojo no longer a secret
By Mike Finger

NEW ORLEANS — Their trip to San Antonio erased their lead in the Western Conference semifinals, destroyed their momentum and rocked their once-unshakeable sense of invincibility. But it did wonders for the New Orleans Hornets’ peripheral vision.

“When we catch the ball, we see more than just the guy guarding us,” forward David West said. “We see the guy behind him, and the guy behind him, and the guy behind him.”

Unaccustomed to the kind of swarming attention that the Spurs have long been known for, the Hornets did not react well in a 100-80 Game 4 loss Sunday. And heading into tonight’s Game 5, they realize they need to find a solution before it’s too late.

New Orleans point guard Chris Paul said Monday he thought his team played good defense in Game 4, but that “better offense will beat better defense any day.” How the Hornets plan to make their own offense better is their biggest looming question.

On Sunday, Paul — the player the Spurs have essentially decided to let run free while harassing everyone else — was the only New Orleans’ starter who shot better than 33 percent from the field (he was 10 for 16).

West, who scored 30 points in Game 1, was 4 for 15. Peja Stojakovic, hounded by Bruce Bowen for the second consecutive game, was 3 for 9. Morris Peterson was 2 for 8. And Tyson Chandler didn’t even get free long enough to attempt a field goal.

Peterson admitted the Spurs had made giant strides defensively, saying, “They took a lot of things away from us.”

West agreed.

“They kind of got our rhythm,” West said. “They know how we play now.”

Spurs forward Kurt Thomas said West’s assessment is no accident. According to Thomas, the Spurs used the first few games of the series to “pick up their tendencies,” and they’re now putting that knowledge into practice. Rarely in either of the two games at the AT&T Center did any Hornets player other than Paul get a clean look at the basket.

“We’re loading up,” Thomas said. “We’re definitely trying to send a lot of different bodies to them.”

The bright side for the Hornets is that they are returning to New Orleans Arena, where they have been almost unstoppable over the past four months. The Hornets have won 26 of their last 30 games, including a 5-0 record in the playoffs. Those 26 victories have come by an average of more than 16 points.

So even though the Hornets returned to New Orleans disappointed with their showing in San Antonio, they insisted they weren’t at panic stage yet. But as they check their peripheral vision, they realize bigger challenges are coming if they can’t turn things around tonight.

“They took away what we wanted to accomplish out there,” Chandler said. “So we have to win this next one.”

SRJ
05-12-2008, 10:46 PM
New Orleans point guard Chris Paul said Monday he thought his team played good defense in Game 4, but that “better offense will beat better defense any day.”

One day you'll understand, Chris.

Dex
05-12-2008, 10:51 PM
New Orleans point guard Chris Paul said Monday he thought his team played good defense in Game 4, but that “better offense will beat better defense any day.” How the Hornets plan to make their own offense better is their biggest looming question.

Beautiful.

Apparently, Chris Paul still hasn't learned his lesson yet.

Ed Helicopter Jones
05-12-2008, 11:00 PM
New Orleans point guard Chris Paul said Monday he thought his team played good defense in Game 4, but that “better offense will beat better defense any day.”

In related news, Chris Paul has contacted his agent regarding a possible trade to the Knicks.

mystargtr34
05-12-2008, 11:01 PM
Damn 26 out of 30 by an average of 16 points.

Thats home dominance... what a win this would be

BonnerDynasty
05-12-2008, 11:05 PM
I love how Kurt Thomas has just stepped up and is on the Spurs playoff vibe with such ease.

Parkerlooms
05-12-2008, 11:05 PM
Chris Paul is very very young.
...and very, very stupid.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ancestron/outtake10.jpg

nfg3
05-12-2008, 11:07 PM
Damn 26 out of 30 by an average of 16 points.

Thats home dominance... what a win this will be

Fixed.

Sasha
05-13-2008, 12:50 AM
[QUOTE=duncan228;2489412][url]New Orleans point guard Chris Paul said Monday he thought his team played good defense in Game 4, but that “better offense will beat better defense any day.”

I'm not a bb expert, but isn't that what the Suns thought, too? Just curious.

itzsoweezee
05-13-2008, 01:01 AM
Chris Paul is very very young.
...and very, very stupid.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o170/ancestron/outtake10.jpg

the first two parker pictures in your sig are hilarious. frenchies . . .

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-13-2008, 01:11 AM
New Orleans point guard Chris Paul said Monday he thought his team played good defense in Game 4, but that “better offense will beat better defense any day.” :wtf

He was born before the 2005 WCF against the Suns right?

DazedAndConfused
05-13-2008, 01:22 AM
Beautiful.

Apparently, Chris Paul still hasn't learned his lesson yet.

Phil Jackson says hi. 9 rings won with better offense than defense.

some_user86
05-13-2008, 01:26 AM
Phil Jackson says hi. 9 rings won with better offense than defense.

The Bulls used to play some damn good defense. The Lakers weren't no spring chicken either. Ever watch a game?

ATXSPUR
05-13-2008, 01:31 AM
Phil Jackson says hi. 9 rings won with better offense than defense. Better offense doesn't automatically equate to shitty defense fucktard...did you ever watch your lakers play a single game during their 3 peat?

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-13-2008, 01:39 AM
Phil Jackson says hi. 9 rings won with better offense than defense.
:wtf Those teams played good to great defense.

SpursIndonesia
05-13-2008, 01:50 AM
Yeah, outside their lumbering centers, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Harper of the second version of Bulls dynasty were sick defensively back in those days, while Bison Dele was a capable back up bigman defender.

bobbyjoe
05-13-2008, 02:16 AM
:wtf Those teams played good to great defense.

That isnt' what Dazed was debating.

The Lakers of 2000-2002 were a very good defensive team, but a GREAT offensive team.

Their offense was more critical to their success than their Defense is what Dazed is pointing out.

And that's absolutely true.

The truth is great offense DOES beat great defense. The problem is in today's NBA Great offense is pretty rare.

When guys like Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, etc are at the top of their games you can't stop them. The Spurs defense was great in 2001 and 2002 but was overcome by Shaq and Kobe's greatness.

There was a long stretch in the 80's and 90's where basically the championship teams were the teams with the best offensive players in the game in those respective years (Bird, Magic, Jordan, Olajuwon, Duncan).

What Paul should be ripped for isn't his statement, but his assertion that the Hornets defended well in Game 4. If that's his idea of good defense, he's got a lot to learn.

Ozzy
05-13-2008, 04:26 AM
Michael Jordan:
1x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
9x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1988-1993, 1996-1998)

Scottie Pippen:
8x NBA All-Defensive First Team (1992-1999)
2x NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1991, 2000)

Dennis Rodman
2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991)
7x NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989-1993, 1995,1996)
1x NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)

Horace Grant
4x NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1993-1996)


Chicago Bulls
1990-1991: Offensive Rating: 114.6 (1st of 27), Defensive Rating: 105.2 (7th of 27)
1991-1992: Offensive Rating: 115.5 (1st of 27), Defensive Rating: 104.5 (4th of 27)
1992-1993: Offensive Rating: 112.9 (2nd of 27), Defensive Rating: 106.1 (7th of 27)
1993-1994: Offensive Rating: 106.1 (14th of 27), Defensive Rating: 102.7 (6th of 27)
1994-1995: Offensive Rating: 109.5 (10th of 27), Defensive Rating: 104.3 (2nd of 27)
1995-1996: Offensive Rating: 115.2 (1st of 29), Defensive Rating: 101.8 (1st of 29)
1996-1997: Offensive Rating: 114.4 (1st of 29), Defensive Rating: 102.4 (4th of 29)
1997-1998: Offensive Rating: 107.7 (8th of 29), Defensive Rating: 99.8 (3rd of 29)

Seems to me they had a pretty good defense too ...

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-13-2008, 04:41 AM
That isnt' what Dazed was debating.

The Lakers of 2000-2002 were a very good defensive team, but a GREAT offensive team.

Their offense was more critical to their success than their Defense is what Dazed is pointing out.

And that's absolutely true.

The truth is great offense DOES beat great defense. The problem is in today's NBA Great offense is pretty rare.

When guys like Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, etc are at the top of their games you can't stop them. The Spurs defense was great in 2001 and 2002 but was overcome by Shaq and Kobe's greatness.

There was a long stretch in the 80's and 90's where basically the championship teams were the teams with the best offensive players in the game in those respective years (Bird, Magic, Jordan, Olajuwon, Duncan).


Great argument.

I could see Spurs defense being great in 2001 and 2002 but they had no offense at all (sans Duncan).
Right now the Spurs have been winning championships with a great defense coupled with a respectable or "good enough" (to sometimes great offense in the years) thanks to having three guys who can create + shooters.

Pistons actually beat a stacked Laker offense, through great defense alone (and rebounding - their offense in '04 was probably the shittiest I've ever seen relative to the champion teams :lol).
I don't remember the defensive juggernauts of the 90's that stood in the way of the Jordan Bulls to be considered "Great Defense." But it's hard to argue against the Jordan factor.



What Paul should be ripped for isn't his statement, but his assertion that the Hornets defended well in Game 4. If that's his idea of good defense, he's got a lot to learn.
I agree.

JPB
05-13-2008, 06:56 AM
the first two parker pictures in your sig are hilarious. frenchies . . .


Except, it doesn't mean anything in french...

ElNono
05-13-2008, 07:46 AM
I call great offense > great defense a bunch of poppycock.
You need to have a balance of both. You need to be in the top 10 in both areas to have a chance to win it all. Plus the league has gone from team play to one-on-one over the years, and that's why a guy like Kobe alone or Lebron alone can't create 'great offense'.
This makes 'great defense' even more important.

Ed Helicopter Jones
05-13-2008, 12:49 PM
Phil Jackson says hi. 9 rings won with better offense than defense.


That post sums up how ignorant you really are. The Bulls teams with Michael were pretty darn good defensively, and so were the Laker teams. DazedAndConfused is an accurate name.