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http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-kimbo051608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Sorry too lazy to post the article.
2centsworth
05-17-2008, 04:17 PM
on the Circus Channel?
This is a weird "denial" by Gary Shaw. Sounds to me like both parties are interested and its a matter of time. Sounds like he is just saying no until its signed?
During a Thursday conference call to promote EliteXC’s first-ever “Saturday Night Fights” card on CBS on May 31, EliteXC Live Events President Gary Shaw was asked to address a report by the web site MediaTakeOut.com that claimed Mike Tyson has “tentatively” agreed to fight Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson.
The report, which cited an anonymous “insider at the company,” claims that a Slice vs. Tyson fight could happen towards the latter part of the year or early next year.
Shaw denied the report when asked to comment on its validity and stated that he has had no discussions with the former heavyweight champion. However, he added that he would make the matchup between Slice and Tyson “in a heartbeat.”
And here is an April 25th pic of Mike.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/PHILBARONI/fattyson.jpg
Should be an awesome fight............
dbreiden83080
05-17-2008, 05:10 PM
Oh Mike don't do it i don't want to see you get embarassed again, leave it alone.
dallaskd
05-18-2008, 11:46 AM
It’s hardly a stretch to suggest that Kimbo Slice is the Mike Tyson of the 21st century. Tyson became a cultural phenomenon in the 1980s with his intimidating visage, powerful punches and almost weekly appearances on ESPN.
Slice shares the same intimidating look and powerful punching, but his vehicle to stardom was the Internet video-sharing site, YouTube.
And while Slice struggles to be taken seriously as a mixed martial artist, calls are increasing for the pulverizing punchers of past and present to meet in a cage. Slice’s promoter, Gary Shaw, said he’s not encouraging such talk, given that Tyson is retired and hasn’t fought in three years.
But Shaw said he owes it to Slice to consider the bout if Tyson, who appears to weigh nearly 300 pounds and hasn’t had a win in more than five years, would agree to it.
“Call it a freak show or a circus or whatever you want, but it would be the most-watched pay-per-view event ever,” Shaw said.
There’s little doubt of Slice’s importance to Elite XC, the mixed martial arts promotional company that Shaw runs.
On the most important card in mixed martial arts history, it’s almost irrelevant what middleweight champion Robbie Lawler does. Or his challenger, Scott Smith. Or what all but one of the other athletes who will compete in the Elite XC show on May 31 at the Prudential Center may do.
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The success or failure of that show, and, perhaps with it, the company, will depend upon the performance of Slice. He is in the main event of the live first MMA show to be broadcast on network television for a reason.
He’s there, fighting James Thompson, because of the 2,065,443 views the nine-minute video, “The Best of Kimbo Slice,” got on YouTube.
He’s there because of the 2,163,315 who went to the site to watch his bare knuckles street fight with a guy known only as Adryan.
He’s there because of the 2,313,241 who saw him lose his only one of these types of bouts to a Boston policeman, Sean Gannon.
If only those people who have watched Slice’s backyard fights on the Internet tune in to watch him tear apart Thompson on CBS on May 31, it will go a long way toward stabilizing Elite XC and establishing it as a viable alternative to the UFC.
Elite XC has been bleeding money and conceded in a recent filing with the Securities & Exchange Commission that it has lost in excess of $27 million in little more than a year. It may not, it admits in the filing, have the money to make it through the year.
Slice, whose real name is Kevin Ferguson, is the one person who can reverse that. If he brings the more than 10 million sets of eyeballs who viewed his street fights on YouTube to CBS, it could change the landscape on the MMA scene.
Both Slice and Elite XC are in awkward positions, though. He’s an extraordinarily powerful puncher, but he is only in the infancy of his days as a mixed martial artist. It takes years to become a competent and well-rounded mixed martial artist and Slice still has much work to do.
That’s why he’s been fed a series of tomato cans since turning professional. In his first bout with Elite XC, he fought Bo Cantrell, who was so intimidated he was tapping, it seemed, when Slice gave him a dirty look. He was then matched with early UFC brawling legend Tank Abbott, who had won exactly one fight in 10 years and had been routinely knocked out early.
Most matchmakers have the luxury of developing their quality prospects slowly and exposing them to a variety of styles. But Slice was a headliner from his first day in MMA, which changes the way he has to be matched.
“There is an ‘it’ factor that some guys have and some don’t, and Kimbo has it,” promoter Gary Shaw said. “Oscar De La Hoya has it. He is still a superstar, even though he doesn’t have superstar skills any more. Tyson has it. When Tyson walks into an arena, the place still erupts. I’ve been to a high-class steakhouse with Kimbo and I’ve seen it.
People, not just the young kids, all stand up and say, ‘Kimbo! Hey, there’s Kimbo!’
“You could take most of the best fighters in the world and have them walk into a place like that and the maître d would say, ‘OK, we’ll have a table for you in 40 minutes.’ Kimbo is a superstar right now, and he’s only going to get bigger.”
The problem is that Slice is being treated like a curiosity more than a developing athlete. Shaw spent much of the last few days answering questions about whether he’d pair Slice with Tyson and Eric “Butterbean” Esch, a 400-pounder whose shtick was being billed as “The King of the Four-Rounders,” rather than about whether he’d pair him with a competent and trained MMA fighter.
Tyson has never trained in MMA, hasn’t boxed since June 22, 2005, and hasn’t won a fight in more than five years. He looks like he weighs close to 300 pounds and only recently got out of a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center.
Asking a promoter if he’d want his fighter to face Tyson is like asking a 20-something male if he’d like to date Scarlett Johansson. Well, duh!
A fight with Tyson would mean huge money, but it would be more carnival act than serious competition.
And Elite XC needs to steer Slice away from the carnival act side of the business and convince a skeptical public that he’s a real fighter.
His highly regarded trainer, former UFC heavyweight champion Bas Rutten, believes that he is. Rutten said he hopes Thompson can push Slice in the May 31 bout so he can gauge where he is.
But Rutten said he believes Slice could be ready for top 10-type fighters as soon as perhaps two or three more bouts.
“We’re building a fighter here, and we’re building a fighter who is going to be very formidable before not too long,” Rutten said. “He’s worked extremely hard. He was a hard puncher when I first saw him, but he’s improved his striking greatly. His footwork, his reach and his torque are all greatly improved.
“He’s working on his submissions. That’s the area he’s most green, but he’s learning. People said I was just a striker, but more than half of my wins were by submission. It can be learned. He’s already very good with his takedown defenses and his escapes and reversals are surprisingly good.”
There are critics, to be sure. UFC president Dana White bemoaned the fact that Slice will headline on CBS during a conference call on Thursday. White said he wanted to make certain that when MMA first appeared on network television, it was with fighters who upheld the sport’s image and traditions.
He said his worst fears are being imagined as Elite XC parades Slice out front and center.
“To have CBS, a big network like that, move forward with a guy like Kimbo Slice headlining it, there’s no secret that’s what I tried to stay away from,” White said. “Kimbo Slice isn’t a mixed martial artist. This guy was fighting in your backyard three months ago and now he’s going to be headlining on CBS. Personally, I think it sucks.”
Slice eschews the notion he doesn’t belong in the national spotlight. He’s been cast in some corners as a hoodlum, but shrugs off the portrayals as inaccurate.
He is, he insists, serious about becoming a complete MMA fighter and not just a guy who can capitalize on a gangster image.
“I don’t live a thug life,” Slice told the Ventura County Star. “We go to church on Sundays … spend family time together. I don’t portray a thug image.”
And he shouldn’t be portrayed as a sideshow fighter, which is how fights with men such as Tyson and Butterbean, would cast him.
He’ll have a short shelf life if that’s how he’s matched. The hard-core fans will always be captivated, but the general public who, as Rutten says, have no idea who Fedor Emelianenko is, will soon move to other things.
But if Rutten is correct and Slice can become one of the world’s elite heavyweights, he’ll not only save Elite XC, but he also can play a pivotal role in legitimizing MMA to the masses.
Matchmaking for Slice is critical.
“We don’t want him to be treated like a circus act, because he’s not,” Rutten said. “He’s a legitimate fighter who is working extremely hard – I mean as hard as anyone I’ve ever seen – and who is getting better so quickly. Kimbo is a nice, respectful person to everyone he meets and he’s taking the sport super seriously. He deserves that same kind of respect in return.”
dallaskd
05-18-2008, 11:46 AM
please no please
T Park
05-18-2008, 01:45 PM
:wtf
that picture of Tyson looks photoshopped.
:wtf
that picture of Tyson looks photoshopped.
Its just a weird angle.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_05/TysonMAVRIXREX_468x447.jpg
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23480412-details/Former+champion+fighter+Mike+Tyson+goes+from+heavy weight+boxer+to+just+plain+heavy/article.do
Avitus1
05-18-2008, 07:27 PM
Dont do it Tyson. You dont need to get your ass kicked yet again.
Vinnie_Johnson
05-18-2008, 09:44 PM
Don't even think about it Mike use your time for better things.
T Park
05-19-2008, 12:14 AM
Kimbo Slice just rolled out in the country music awards.
Dude looks like a bearded slob.
Good thing he can kick ass.
Fillmoe
05-19-2008, 12:44 AM
Damn... Tyson is fat as fuck!
He better not accept this shit.
Avitus1
05-19-2008, 02:07 AM
Does Tyson need the money that bad?
Does Tyson need the money that bad?
Supposedly Don King leeched just about everything from him. Although I do remember stories throughout the years of extreme waste from him.
Has he earned more money from Boxing than anyone else besides Oscar?
Kimbo Slice just rolled out in the country music awards.
Dude looks like a bearded slob.
Good thing he can kick ass.
So far he is nothing but a freakshow but he can certainly throwdown standing up.
Go watch Kimbo vs Some Cop on Youtube, Kimbo gets his ass handed by someone with minimal fighting experience. Kimbo's main strengths are power and intimdation.
LEONARD
05-19-2008, 09:03 AM
Will NEVER happen. Tyson will never fight again...based on seeing him on ESPN's E:60...
Go watch Kimbo vs Some Cop on Youtube, Kimbo gets his ass handed by someone with minimal fighting experience. Kimbo's main strengths are power and intimdation.
Gannon fought in the UFC
Will NEVER happen. Tyson will never fight again...based on seeing him on ESPN's E:60...
Man I dunno…we're talking about boxing here. Tyson…Don King…Gary Shaw…EliteXC is desperate and it their first CBS show gets anything under a 4.0 they may have to do this to survive.
LEONARD
05-19-2008, 09:53 AM
Shaw hyping Kimbo for the 31st and nothing more...
Front page of yahoo on Saturday..."Kimbo vs Tyson?"...it's working...
Shaw hyping Kimbo for the 31st and nothing more...
Front page of yahoo on Saturday..."Kimbo vs Tyson?"...it's working...
Oh I realize that….but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do it.
dbreiden83080
05-19-2008, 04:17 PM
Its just a weird angle.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_05/TysonMAVRIXREX_468x447.jpg
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23480412-details/Former+champion+fighter+Mike+Tyson+goes+from+heavy weight+boxer+to+just+plain+heavy/article.do
Good Lord well i guess his money problems have not hurt his food budget any.
DBryant88
05-20-2008, 07:07 AM
Good Lord well i guess his money problems have not hurt his food budget any.
:lmao
dallaskd
05-20-2008, 07:36 PM
Gannon fought in the UFC
Gannon is a punk and if were to fight Kimbo in a regulated fight would get smashed. I wouldnt mind EliteXC setting up that fight though. But Gannon hasnt fought in 3 years.
LEONARD
05-21-2008, 08:46 AM
Gannon is a punk and if were to fight Kimbo in a regulated fight would get smashed. I wouldnt mind EliteXC setting up that fight though. But Gannon hasnt fought in 3 years.
I'm not saying Gannon is great...just saying that he's not a scrub like most of the guys Kimbo fought on the streets...
Today's Kimbo would no doubt work Gannon of a few years ago over. Who knows what today's Gannon is, so I can't speak to what would happen now...
IX_Equilibrium
05-21-2008, 08:56 AM
Kimbo is a fucking joke. He doesn't deserve any of this stupid hype because he hasn't fought anyone. These new hordes of MMA fans are sheep.
LEONARD
05-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Kimbo is a fucking joke. He doesn't deserve any of this stupid hype because he hasn't fought anyone. These new hordes of MMA fans are sheep.
Of course he doesn't deserve all the hype...
and yes, he hasn't fought anybody...so how can you declare him a joke (yet)? He's TBD right now IMO...
The only reason I give him the benefit of the doubt is because:
a. he works very hard
b. he's been training with Bas for over a year
c. Bas raves about him
He will most likely be exposed sooner than later...it's just a matter of what caliber fight exposes him...
Thompson won't tell us much if he comes in and bangs and gets KO'd, which he is prone to. If he comes in smart and immediately tries to put him on his back, then maybe we'll at least get to see Kimbo on the ground some. Thompson being with Team Couture now makes me think this will be the gameplan... (although it was NOT his gameplan last time he fought).
Kimbo is a fucking joke. He doesn't deserve any of this stupid hype because he hasn't fought anyone. These new hordes of MMA fans are sheep.
huh? where do you get this from?
IX_Equilibrium
05-21-2008, 03:24 PM
huh? where do you get this from?
I'm getting this from Kimbo being the new face of MMA. Being on the cover of ESPN the mag, and being covered relentlessly by every MMA website, etc. He hasn't done shit, yet the media and so many fans are making a big deal about him. They obviously are oblivious to the fact that he has fought NO ONE. They don't question that. They see a big thuggish street guy who they feel is marketable. After being an MMA fan since UFC 1, and after all of this time of the powers that be trying to legitimize the sport, you think I want Kimbo to be a representative of MMA?? He sets the image of the sport back years, in my opinion. Until he fights anybody worth a shit, he is a pure gimmick, nothing else. The sheep are the people who buy into this bullshit.
And Leonard, I consider him a joke from the way he is being pathetically coddled, and people being impressed by it.
LEONARD
05-21-2008, 04:58 PM
Well anybody that’s been impressed with his fights so far is an idiot…you can’t take anything from them. He’s not the first guy that’s been coddled and built up slowly though…
It IS somewhat of a shame that he’s becoming the face of MMA to the casual or non-fans because he’s not what the sport is about. Hard to say if it’s bad for the sport in general though…I guess it depends what happens in his fights. It’s exposure for the sport. I just hope him and EliteXC don’t F this up. Some of the risk is inherent with the sport…bad cuts happen sometimes. This is not the event to have a bloodbath fight…
IX_Equilibrium
05-21-2008, 05:30 PM
He’s not the first guy that’s been coddled and built up slowly though…
True, but not to this extent nor with the added extreme hype.
2centsworth
05-22-2008, 10:43 AM
I've been telling you guys Kimbo is the future. To pull in the casual fan blood and guts is what's going to sell. In boxing it's nationalistic pride with racial undertones, but in MMA it's blood and guts. Not that the "real" fan doesn't see more to what's going on, but the casual fan will always want LA vs Celtics over Spurs vs Detroit. It's much the same in other sports.
That's why I joke that if the UFC or other organization would allow their fighters to use broken bottles and chains it would be the next greatest thing.
I've been telling you guys Kimbo is the future. To pull in the casual fan blood and guts is what's going to sell. In boxing it's nationalistic pride with racial undertones, but in MMA it's blood and guts. Not that the "real" fan doesn't see more to what's going on, but the casual fan will always want LA vs Celtics over Spurs vs Detroit. It's much the same in other sports.
That's why I joke that if the UFC or other organization would allow their fighters to use broken bottles and chains it would be the next greatest thing.
You really are clue less.
dallaskd
05-22-2008, 07:35 PM
I understand a little bit what hes saying with the NBA reference. Casual mma joe or mma newbie thinks Kimbo is an mma superstar. i hear it all the time in class. "Dude Kimbo could kick Liddell's ass"..."Dude i heard Ken Shamrock's fighting kimbo...hey whens he fight tito again?" and people think kimbo vs tank is high octane bad ass mma. just read comments on youtube of how clueless average joe is. average joe on the street(not a semi-fan) would rather see Kimbo vs Tank Abbott over Fedor vs Sylvia. its sounds rediculous but i hear it every week in class. i should take a poll. but 2centsworth "blood and guts" comment was rediculous.
but 2centsworth "blood and guts" comment was rediculous.
That is my issue with what he said.
2centsworth
05-22-2008, 09:38 PM
That is my issue with what he said.
I think you're being a little too sensitive. The sport of MMA is not about blood and guts, but unfortunately for the clueless fan it is. The clueless fan is a very big market and there's nothing wrong with making money on that fan base. Unfortunately to do so requires making Kimbo a star.
I think you're being a little too sensitive. The sport of MMA is not about blood and guts, but unfortunately for the clueless fan it is. The clueless fan is a very big market and there's nothing wrong with making money on that fan base. Unfortunately to do so requires making Kimbo a star.
Ok but I am not sure what Kimbo has to do with that. Explain that a little more.
2centsworth
05-22-2008, 10:55 PM
Ok but I am not sure what Kimbo has to do with that. Explain that a little more.
he's a blood and guts fighter to most people. Marketing him as the next great star is just exploiting that fact. It's perfectly ok to do so even though it rubs the purist the wrong way.
he's a blood and guts fighter to most people. Marketing him as the next great star is just exploiting that fact. It's perfectly ok to do so even though it rubs the purist the wrong way.
Ahhh ok. Thank you for explaining.
I agree 100% with this.
This is what the UFC (before its current owners back in the 90's) used to advertise the sport as. It has taken a long time to move away from that and Shaw IMO will do his best to bring it right back to that being an ex boxing promoter (no trolling here.)
2centsworth
05-22-2008, 11:05 PM
Ahhh ok. Thank you for explaining.
I agree 100% with this.
This is what the UFC (before its current owners back in the 90's) used to advertise the sport as. It has taken a long time to move away from that and Shaw IMO will do his best to bring it right back to that being an ex boxing promoter (no trolling here.)
boxing has a good formula just not enough fighters to implement. USA boxing is killing the sport.
boxing has a good formula just not enough fighters to implement. USA boxing is killing the sport.
Boxing has a horrible formula. If someone came in and formed a solid organization that didn't allow scum like Shaw and King to have any say it would be back in business within 5 years (back in business as in growing instead of holding steady) and stronger than ever.
2centsworth
05-23-2008, 12:11 AM
Boxing has a horrible formula. If someone came in and formed a solid organization that didn't allow scum like Shaw and King to have any say it would be back in business within 5 years (back in business as in growing instead of holding steady) and stronger than ever.
we'll agree to disagree. boxing needs more American Talent.
we'll agree to disagree. boxing needs more American Talent.
Agree on this
LEONARD
05-23-2008, 01:30 PM
Thompson being with Team Couture now makes me think this will be the gameplan... (although it was NOT his gameplan last time he fought).
Correction...not training at Xtreme Couture anymore…
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/22/elitexc-press-conference-recap/#more-3229
Correction...not training at Xtreme Couture anymore…
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/22/elitexc-press-conference-recap/#more-3229
Gary Shaw........
dallaskd
05-23-2008, 09:03 PM
Thompson has a horrible jaw and will get knocked out if he tries to stand. im hoping he does the old fashion Jake O'Brien lay and pray.
Thompson has a horrible jaw and will get knocked out if he tries to stand. im hoping he does the old fashion Jake O'Brien lay and pray.
He will probably get knocked out of a if a strand of Kimbo's beard glances him.
I hope Kimbo has a good career as MMA needs HW's bad but I am so sick of hearing about Kimbo.
LEONARD
05-27-2008, 05:01 PM
I still expect Thompson to work for an immediate takedown...
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