Players that fell from the top to the bottom in record time???

[lebomb]

1. Steve Francis.....this guy was a god when he entered the NBA....he doesnt even get game time now. :(
2. Joe Smith.........:lmao
3. Stephon Marbury............:rolleyes

.......anyone else you can think of ???

[Mister Sinister]

>_> <_< >_> Luis Scola.

[RonMexico]

Kwame Brown... or do we not consider a terrible #1 draft choice from the start to be a "fall"

Glenn Robinson could also be on that list.

Damon Stoudamire was good 2 years ago with Memphis and now he blows.

[lebomb]

Kwame Brown... or do we not consider a terrible #1 draft choice from the start to be a "fall"

Glenn Robinson could also be on that list.

Damon Stoudamire was good 2 years ago with Memphis and now he blows.


Yeah, Kwame sucked to begin with.......he doesnt count. Glenn and Damon do.

[RonMexico]

What someone needs to do is grab all lottery picks from 1994-2004 and we can rank them.

(Obviously guys like Darko and Kwame will be exempt because they blew from the start.)

[lefty]

Yinka Dare....still looking for his 1st assist

Derrick Coleman...what a douchebag

Keith Van Horn.


Hey , those 3 played for New Jersey :p:

[RonMexico]

Jackie Butler

[lebomb]

Ben Wallace

Peja...........he was a mere shadow of himself in the NO series

[lefty]

Dajuan Wagner :lmao

[RonMexico]

Darius Washington... although, I think he deserved another shot with the Spurs... I think he'd be better than Damon right now.

[lebomb]

Adam Morrison???

[Indazone]

Kwame Brown... or do we not consider a terrible #1 draft choice from the start to be a "fall"

Glenn Robinson could also be on that list.

Damon Stoudamire was good 2 years ago with Memphis and now he blows.

Are you kidding? Glenn Robinson was good for many years. It's his teammate Vin Baker that fell so fast that the stars became blurred.

Not to mention that he did ok with the Spurs and has one Championship ring :)

[lebomb]

OH my god.....Vin Baker. He was the man for 1yr.

[balli]

Carlos Boozer?


Larry Johnson.

[lefty]

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p917429dt.jpg

[Indazone]

Damon Stoudamire:lol

[stretch]

Michael Jordan.

[monosylab1k]

Dan Dickau had that odd half a year where he went from a career 12th man to a starter on the Hornets averaging 13 points a night, right back to being a 12th man at the start of the next season.

[sribb43]

Shawn Kemp

[JamStone]

When was Joe Smith at the top?

If Ray Allen doesn't pick up his play at some point the rest of the way in these playoffs, he might be one.

Chris Webber. Injury or not, his decline was swift and steep.

[xtremesteven33]

Dwayne Wade

[xtremesteven33]

Penny Hardaway

[E20]

Ralph Sampson.

Sam Bowie LOL.........He had to be something in college to get drafted ahead of Jordan.






Also after reviewing that draft, The Spurs could have drafted John Stockton, they drafted Alvin Robertson instead.

[lefty]

Everyone not playing for the Spurs.

We've destroyed so many hopes

[Mister Sinister]

James White!

[shelshor]

Roy Tarpley
Latrine Spreewell
Cherokee Parks

[LakerFanSince84]

Chris Webber went down hill in a hurry, as did Penny Hardaway, who was ironically traded for webber on draft day.



Other quick downhill tumblers: Antonio Mcdyess was an absolute stud early on before injuries plagued him. He's been reduced to a serviceable role player ever since.

Grant down-Hill-fast!!!

What in the world happened to Ben Wallace? This guy's suddenly worthless since he can't get boards or defend like he used to!

Current player on the rapid decline: Shaq/Nash/Kidd!

[monosylab1k]

Nick Van Exel went from Mavericks playoff hero to pudgy benchwarmer pretty quick.

[Indazone]

My vote for quickest flop is still Vin Baker

Four time All-Star

After four seasons with the Bucks, he was traded to the Seattle SuperSonics following the 1996-97 NBA season in a three-team deal that sent Tyrone Hill and Terrell Brandon to the Bucks, and Shawn Kemp and Sherman Douglas to the Cleveland Cavaliers. After four years in Seattle Baker was traded to the Boston Celtics with Shammond Williams for Kenny Anderson, Vitaly Potapenko and Joseph Forte.

While his career averages include 15.1 points per game, his numbers have dropped considerably in recent years. After the 1998-99 NBA lockout season, Baker's weight ballooned to near 300 pounds and his game suffered tremendously. While Baker was able to get his weight down to around 250, Baker revealed that he was a recovering alcoholic who used to binge in hotel rooms and at home after playing poorly. In an interview in the Boston Globe, Baker said Celtics coach Jim O'Brien smelled alcohol on him in practice and confronted him about it. The team suspended him and he was eventually released. Baker would sign with the New York Knicks shortly thereafter and help them reach the playoffs in the 2003-04 NBA season.

Baker was traded to the Rockets with Moochie Norris for Maurice Taylor on February 24, 2005. The Rockets would ultimately release Baker on October 7, 2005.[1] He would spend the 2005-06 NBA season in a reserve role with the Los Angeles Clippers.

Baker signed with the Minnesota Timberwolves on October 1, 2006, reuniting him with head coach Dwane Casey, who served as an assistant coach when Vin was in Seattle.[1] His tenure in Minnesota would be short-lived though, Baker was released from the Timberwolves on November 13, 2006. He never played in a regular season game after being on the inactive list for the first six games.[2]

Baker was also a morning show DJ of Houston-based radio station KPTY-FM (Party 104.9) and has opened a seafood restaurant featuring Seafood by chef Todd Curtis in his hometown of Old Saybrook, CT. (Currently a bank is foreclosing this restaurant).[3]

Vin Baker also has a non-profit foundation called the Stand Tall Foundation. The Stand Tall Foundation is an organization that helps give kids a better future by financially assisting with different charitable and volunteer organizations. The goal of the Stand Tall Foundation is to help young people with their education, personal development and general well-being.

On June 19, 2007, Baker was arrested in Norwich, Connecticut for drunk driving after leaving Foxwoods Resort Casino.[4]

[Findog]

Jason Kidd.

[sribb43]

Marcus Fizer

[Pero]

Dajuan Wagner :lmao

I don't know what you're laughing at man. Wagner was pretty talented but had to stop playing because of serious health issues as I recall.

[BronxCowboy]

Jamal Mashburn?

[slowchild25]

Sam Bowie LOL.........He had to be something in college.


He was tall and apparently was a "good passer" and that's pretty much it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bowiesa01.html

Go down to his "College Stats"

notice how the 81-82 and 82-83 seasons are missing. I wonder how that happen? Maybe it was multiple leg injuries?!?!?

Blazers = not very smart.

[Dim Tuncan]

Millions in the bank, mansions, European luxury cars, gorgeous wives..... What a horrible bottom :rolleyes:lmao:lol:bking

[pussyface.]

Bobby Phills

[Dopey310]

Dwyane Wade and Ray Allen:lol

[BobcatsDynasty]

Adam Morrison???

What the damn are you talking about? That guy is probably a top 5 player in the league. Next year he will win MVP, and the Bobcats will be champions.

[Trainwreck2100]

What the damn are you talking about? That guy is probably a top 5 player in the league. Next year he will win MVP, and the Bobcats will be champions.

He's just missing games he's supposed to miss

[SpursDynasty]

Mike Bibby

[BobcatsDynasty]

Mike Bibby

How can you fall when you aren't talented at all? All Mike Bibby ever did was just make his shots, there's no talent in that.

[bdubya]

Ben Wallace?[/B] This guy's suddenly worthless since he can't get boards or defend like he used to!




Ben's an odd case - unlike most of the guys mentioned here, he started at the bottom before rising to the top. But his fall does seem to be going even faster than his rise did.

[resistanze]

Allan Houston's fall and retirement was pretty swift.

[nkdlunch]

shawn bradley

dwayne wade

[lefty]

I don't know what you're laughing at man. Wagner was pretty talented but had to stop playing because of serious health issues as I recall.

:(:(:( Ooops, I didn't know that

[Medvedenko]

Richard Dumas
Big Country Brian Reeves

[Don Quixote]

Keon Clark.

An active rebounder, good defender down low, and quick! Threw away his entire career. He said he never played an NBA game sober.

[Strike]

Sam Bowie LOL.........He had to be something in college to get drafted ahead of Jordan.

Actually he was a good big man. Something the Blazers needed at that point. Portland had Drexler at the 2 so they drafted for need. Who knew that Michael Jordan would become the greatest player in the history of the game? Remember, Portland wasn't the only player that passed on him.

[Don Quixote]

I don't know what you're laughing at man. Wagner was pretty talented but had to stop playing because of serious health issues as I recall.

Yes. The doctors had to take out all of Wagner's large intestine. I'm not sure how he poops now. He tried to come back, but I guess it didn't work out for him.

[Indazone]

Ben's an odd case - unlike most of the guys mentioned here, he started at the bottom before rising to the top. But his fall does seem to be going even faster than his rise did.

Dude is worthless. Gets in a fight with Rookie Noah and sits on the bench getting blown out laughing about it. He doesn't even try. Just plain sucks.

[Dim Tuncan]

:(:(:( Ooops, I didn't know that

We didn't think you would :lmao

[Strike]

Also after reviewing that draft, The Spurs could have drafted John Stockton, they drafted Alvin Robertson instead.

Well if they had drafted Stockton, they may not have sucked enough to get the #1 pick that would lead to their salvation.

[sribb43]

Bobby Phills


:depressed

[ambchang]

Mitch Richmond

[Allanon]

Josh Howard

JERMAINE O'NEAL

Shaq Attaq

Jason Kidd

Flip Murray

Mighty Mouse

[mardigan]

Shawn Kemp

[Flo-Rida]

Dwayne Wade

Are u kidding me he was just hit with injuries when he's healthy he is one of the top players in the game.

[mavs>spurs2]

It's not really fair that you guys are making fun of Dajuan Wagner. He had some sort of disease that made his health really go downhill. The guy was super talented and sure to be a superstar in the league before his body failed him.

[The Franchise]

>_> <_< >_> Luis Scola.

don't be so bitter.:nope

[The Franchise]

Shawn Kemp

+1

[JMarkJohns]

Christian Laettner: Went from a 17-7 type player during the first six years of his career to a 10-5 player the next five, to a 6-5 player his final four seasons. His best year was his rookie year.

Isaiah Rider: Went from 19 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg in 1999-2000 to 8 ppg, 2 rpg, 1 apg in 2000-2001... never averaged double figures thereafter.

Jamaal Mashburn: Can anyone explain how he averaged 23 ppg his first three years, then averaged just 15 ppg his next four (spanning two teams), then averaged over 21 ppg his final four seasons? I know Miami slowed things way down, but Mashburn averaged 13 ppg over a three year span from 1996-97 through 1998-99.

[JMarkJohns]

It's not really fair that you guys are making fun of Dajuan Wagner. He had some sort of disease that made his health really go downhill. The guy was super talented and sure to be a superstar in the league before his body failed him.

I think he had intestinal parasites.

[mavs>spurs2]

I think he had intestinal parasites.

http://www.betterbasketball.com/members/ed_articledetail.asp?artID=dick-jerardi-002ujy773wsd


Wagner was out of the league after three years. He had multiple leg injuries, but he also was sick and getting sicker. Worse, nobody knew why.

As far back as 12th grade, Wagner had been having stomach pain. He assumed it was just something that he had to deal with. It just kept getting worse. He was playing in the NBA while he was losing his appetite and weight. He was living with a condition that would make it almost impossible for a person to work, much less work in the NBA.

Wagner was eventually diagnosed with colitis, inflammation of the colon or large intestine. Last October, he underwent major surgery at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.

“He was very, very sick, when he left the Cleveland Cavaliers (in 2005),” said Dr. Joel Bauer, who performed the surgery. “We did an operation on him and, basically, he’s recovered phenomenally.”

Playing in two summer leagues, one in Cherry Hill, N.J., and another in Philadelphia, Wagner is putting up Wagner-like numbers again. On consecutive nights in late July, he had 65 and 67.

I saw him at Drexel the first Thursday night of August. It was the end of the third day of the insane heat wave. The gym had no air conditioning. It was the hottest place I have even been in my life. Breathing was difficult. Sweating was not optional. Wagner, a classic scoring guard, was playing for the third time in three nights. He had an off night, scoring 57.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:tu Thanks mavs>spurs, I haven't heard that story yet.
Hopefully he can come back in the NBA some day.

[JMarkJohns]

I remembered it had something to do with the intestine.

[mavs>spurs2]

:tu Thanks mavs>spurs, I haven't heard that story yet.
Hopefully he can come back in the NBA some day.

I hope so too, but this article is like almost 2 years old. He's still young enough to make a comeback (like 25 i think) but it makes you wonder what's the hold up..

[RonMexico]

I hope so too, but this article is like almost 2 years old. He's still young enough to make a comeback (like 25 i think) but it makes you wonder what's the hold up..

NBA GMs and scouts salivating over the "next big thing" via the draft is probably one reason.

He should be hitting his physical prime soon and could contribute.

[RonMexico]

Have we all noticed a trend among a few of the people on this list? Shawn Kemp, JR Rider, Christian Laettner?

Answer: Cocaine. (Actually, in Rider's case, violent crimes have done him in, but I think it can all trace back to one thing... crack.)

[mojorizen7]

Homer choices:Richard Dumas
Oliver Miller
Other:Anfernee Hardaway
Derrick Coleman

[endrity]

Yeah Wagner was having a spectacular rookie season as well, especially in the second half because he was hurt in the first half. I remember there were articles being written over who was better in the future Yao or him. And then the summer came, he got hurt, and we never heard from him again.

Even Mashburn was dealing with some issues, some sort of ear infection I think that also gave him migranes.

Ben Wallace and Steve Francis are at the top of the list for me. In about one year, those guys went off the map.

Antoine Walker fell off right after the 06 championship with the Heat, eventhough he was already on a decline as a player. Now he can't get out of the bench for the T-Wolves. How is that possible????

There is another player that I am thinking of, some Alexander dude, played for the Wizards when Jordan came back. He was supposed to be a great backcourt partner, and was having a nice start to his career, then he too just dissapeared.

[ambchang]

^ Cory Alexander? I thought he sucked throughout, but I may be wrong.

[Findog]

Courtney Alexander.

[Findog]

Have we all noticed a trend among a few of the people on this list? Shawn Kemp, JR Rider, Christian Laettner?

Answer: Cocaine. (Actually, in Rider's case, violent crimes have done him in, but I think it can all trace back to one thing... crack.)

Laettner enjoyed the nose candy?

[monosylab1k]

Courtney Alexander.

Remember how in Dallas, everyone's chodes exploded when we drafted Alexander, Thomas, AND Harvey? We thought we drafted a dynasty. Turns out it was just spare, spare, and giant spare.

[Findog]

Remember how in Dallas, everyone's chodes exploded when we drafted Alexander, Thomas, AND Harvey? We thought we drafted a dynasty. Turns out it was just spare, spare, and giant spare.

Josh, Dirk, Najera and Devin are just about the only draft picks we've had worth a crap in quite some time. Oh wait, we technically didn't draft Dirk or Eddie, just acquired them on draft night.

[Trainwreck2100]

Josh, Dirk, Najera and Devin are just about the only draft picks we've had worth a crap in quite some time. Oh wait, we technically didn't draft Dirk or Eddie, just acquired them on draft night.

And you got rid of devin

[Findog]

And you got rid of devin

I've tried to see the pro-Kidd side of it for quite some time, and we weren't winning a title as is, but you don't trade a 25-yr-old making $8 million a year for a 35-yr-old making $21 million a year.

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Yeah, Kidd comes off the books next summer, but there won't be any cap relief involved since we'll still be way over. So we lost Devin for basically nothing. Maybe a HOF coach like Jackzen, Pop, Riley or Sloan could've made that trade work, but we had Avery.

:bang:bang:bang:bang

[Trainwreck2100]

I've tried to see the pro-Kidd side of it for quite some time, and we weren't winning a title as is, but you don't trade a 25-yr-old making $8 million a year for a 35-yr-old making $21 million a year.

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Yeah, Kidd comes off the books next summer, but there won't be any cap relief involved since we'll still be way over. So we lost Devin for basically nothing. Maybe a HOF coach like Jackzen, Pop, Riley or Sloan could've made that trade work, but we had Avery.

:bang:bang:bang:bang
\
you can thank Devean George, if he didn't hold out you could have had mike miller

[Findog]

\
you can thank Devean George, if he didn't hold out you could have had mike miller

At this point in his career, you need athletes and shooters to surround Kidd with. We're short on both. A Kidd-Miller backcourt would've been terrific.

Thanks dickbreath!

[Trainwreck2100]

At this point in his career, you need athletes and shooters to surround Kidd with. We're short on both. A Kidd-Miller backcourt would've been terrific.

Thanks dickbreath!

They were saving KVH for that move, i don't know if it was before or after the Grizz decided to hold out with Cardinal though. I just don't get why they went through with the deal after that, you're right a Kidd Miller BC would have been phenomenal. But the roster now is horrid.

[jman3000]

hmm.. didnt flip murray lead the lead in scoring for about a month when he was with the timberwolves? i remember him having a couple of game winners and averaging over 25 ppg to start off the 03 or 04 season.

smush parker actually was averaging over 20 ppg a few years ago for the lakers the first week or two...



just trying to think of unnamed players.

[m33p0]

it has to be ben wallace. one year, top defender/rebounder. then he moved to chicago and became a glut.

[oligarchy]

Jim Jackson

[ajh18]

Glen Rice dropped pretty quick.

Nick Anderson was putting up 11 pts and 5 rebs in '99, and then dropped to 1.8 pts and 1.2 rebs the next year.

Larry Hughes.

Tom Gugliotta was putting up 17 and 9 in '98, and 2 years later was averaging 6.4 and 4.5.

[ajh18]

I loved the guy, but Terry Cummings went from averaging 17.3 and 9 rebs to 3.4 pts and 2.4 rebs from '91 to '92.

Kenyon MArtin was due in some part to injuries, but that guy sure dropped quickly too, from star to scrub.

[ajh18]

Shareef Abdur-Rahim

[mavs>spurs2]

I loved the guy, but Terry Cummings went from averaging 17.3 and 9 rebs to 3.4 pts and 2.4 rebs from '91 to '92.

Kenyon MArtin was due in some part to injuries, but that guy sure dropped quickly too, from star to scrub.

A pos(t)er on this board by the name of SRJ claimed to be Terry Cummings, for what it's worth.

[ForeignFan]

Penny Hardaway

+1

[ForeignFan]

Matthew McConaughey & Ben Affleck

[Nahtanoj]

Latrell Sprewell.
Gary Payton.
Stephon Marbury.
Steve Francis.
Vin Baker.
Ben Wallace.
Keith Van Horn.
Shaquille O'Neal.

Can go on forever..

[midgetonadonkey]

[QUOTE=ajh18;2529794]Nick Anderson was putting up 11 pts and 5 rebs in '99, and then dropped to 1.8 pts and 1.2 rebs the next year.QUOTE]

I was about to mention that. It's funny how missing free throws in a Finals game can ruin a career.

[Spurminator]

Jason "White Chocolate" Williams
Billy Owens
Ralph Sampson

[lefty]

We didn't think you would :lmao

I'm still more knowledgeable than you are, retard

[urunobili]

>_> <_< >_> Luis Scola.

that was rude from you Shagia... :depressed

[hsxvvd]

Boris Diaw
Bobby Simmons
Alan Henderson
Isaac Austin
Gheorge Muresan
Don Mclean
Mahaud-Abdul Rauf
Pervis Ellison

And just about any player who has ever won Most Improved.

Same can be said for coach of the year.

Scott Skiles
Avery Johnson
D'Antoni

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Tariq Abdul-Wahad

[heymanooh1]

Vinny del Negro :lol

[mavs>spurs2]

Alot of you guys are really reaching here..the thread says "players who fell from the top in record time" not fell from mediocrity to nothingness. Nick Anderson, Vinny del Negro, tariq abdul wahad, etc were never on top.

[mavs>spurs2]

I'd say Michael Finley could be one because he went from being a 2 time all star and fan favorite to everybody in Dallas hating him in just one season. I know he's gone on to be a decent role player for the Spurs but it's not the same.

[PacerFan]

Why do Mav fans hate Finley? He gave you guys some great years. That would be the equivalent of Pacer fans booing Reggie if he came back to Boston.

[mavs>spurs2]

I don't get it either, you'd have to ask a douche like Mavsfan1000. Finley was my favorite player for years but when his athleticism went, so did his entire game.

[Lakers_55]

Have we all noticed a trend among a few of the people on this list? Shawn Kemp, JR Rider, Christian Laettner?

Answer: Cocaine. (Actually, in Rider's case, violent crimes have done him in, but I think it can all trace back to one thing... crack.)

Along the lines of drug users, the record for quickest fall may go to a guy who never got to play, and supposedly would have helped Boston win a few more titles with Bird. Len Bias. Drafted #1 by the Celtics in 1986, dead a few days later of a cocaine overdose.

[Reggie Miller]

Most of these guys fall into one of two catgories (or both):

1. Drug and alcohol abuse; and/or
2. Lack of "old players' skills," such as defending, jumpshooting, etc. Many of these guys were great athletes, not great basketball players. When they lost their legs, they became liabilities very quickly.

[KidCongo]

Along the lines of drug users, the record for quickest fall may go to a guy who never got to play, and supposedly would have helped Boston win a few more titles with Bird. Len Bias. Drafted #1 by the Celtics in 1986, dead a few days later of a cocaine overdose.

no.2 pic but yer he had big chance at being a great player.

[MateoNeygro]

Shawn Kemp- He lost his athletisicm and it was over
Penny Hardaway-Injuries