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Galileo
05-27-2008, 02:37 PM
Jesse Ventura to Speak for Two Hours on 9/11

This will be Jesse's longest interview yet on 9/11.

Also expect discussion of Jesse's views on Libertarian philosophy, the Libertarian Party, Bob Barr, Ron Paul, and the U.S. Imperial Wars of aggression in the Middle East.

Wednesday, May 28, 4PM to 6PM central

Listen Live on Network 4: http://www.gcnlive.com/Listen_Live.html

Call In Number: 1-866-582-9933

Program Archived for 24 hours: http://www.gcnlive.com/Programs/DynamicDuo/On_Demand.html

If you have any questions you would like to have the host ask Jesse, please post something in the comments.

Link to announcement:

28 May 2008
Interview: Gov. Jesse Ventura will be the guest of Jim Fetzer on
"The Dynamic Duo"
4-6 PM/CT on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com/
http://www.911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=53

Also, note that Dr. Stephen Jones, member of Libertarians for Justice, will be on a similar program tonight (Tuesday):

27 May 2008
Interview: Rob Balsamo, first hour; and Steven Jones, second,
will be the guests of Kevin Barrett on "9/11 and American Empire"
8-10 PM/CT on WTPN: http://wtprn.com
http://www.911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=53

Libertarians for Justice
http://www.libertariansforjustice.org/

Barrett for Congress
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 03:14 PM
What does he think really happened on 9/11?

Galileo
05-27-2008, 03:20 PM
What does he think really happened on 9/11?

You'll have to tune in. Or call in. Is that the question you want asked?

Knew ChumpDumper would be the first to chime in here.

clambake
05-27-2008, 03:36 PM
You'll have to tune in. Or call in. Is that the question you want asked?

Knew ChumpDumper would be the first to chime in here.

it's the only relevant question that remains unanswered regarding these types of threads.

why not give us a release date on your answer? turn it into an extravaganza! give us something to keep us on the edge of our seat.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 03:48 PM
You'll have to tune in. Or call in. Is that the question you want asked?It's the one that is never answered.


Knew ChumpDumper would be the first to chime in here.At least you made a half-assed attempt to say what you think happened on 9/11. Most of the truthers use no ass at all.

Galileo
05-27-2008, 03:50 PM
It's the one that is never answered.

At least you made a half-assed attempt to say what you think happened on 9/11. Most of the truthers use no ass at all.

Little do you know, but I am secretly pulling the strings behind the 9/11 Truth movement.

I use Spurstalk.com to experiment with new ideas, as Spurs fans are used to media bias.

The Power Hour
05-27-2008, 03:53 PM
Jesse has an open mind and knows BS when he smells it.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 03:54 PM
Little do you know, but I am secretly pulling the strings behind the 9/11 Truth movement.Little do you know, but I am secretly working for the overlords of the New World Order.


I use Spurstalk.com to experiment with new ideas, as Spurs fans are used to media bias.I use SpursTalk to keep tabs on people and track them if they get too close to the real truth.

Fortunately no one has, so I can just hang out in the basketball forums.

Galileo
05-27-2008, 03:56 PM
Jesse has an open mind and knows BS when he smells it.

David, is that you?

We met last summer.

Galileo
05-27-2008, 04:04 PM
It's the one that is never answered.

At least you made a half-assed attempt to say what you think happened on 9/11. Most of the truthers use no ass at all.

Here's the best analysis of what REALLY happened:

Attack Scenario 404 *
How the Attack Might Have Been Engineered (But Probably Wasn't)
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/scenario404.html

Is This What Happened on 9/11?
by GeorgeWashington
http://www.911blogger.com/node/14740#comment-181763

Was 10:45 a.m. the Originally Planned Demolition Time of WTC 7?
by shoestring
http://www.911blogger.com/node/15318

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 04:07 PM
I ask for one story and I get five.

What do you think really happened on 9/11?

Galileo
05-27-2008, 04:12 PM
I ask for one story and I get five.

What do you think really happened on 9/11?

The CIA set up the hijackings with some combination of special agents and patsies, and the real hijackers had guns. The 19 people identified as the 19 hijackers are not the hijackers, although there may be some overlap. The planes were remote controlled into the buildings, except FL93 which was shot down before it could get to WTC 7.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 04:14 PM
The CIA set up the hijackings with some combination of special agents and patsies, and the real hijackers had guns. The 19 people identified as the 19 hijackers are not the hijackers, although there may be some overlap. The planes were remote controlled into the buildings, except FL93 which was shot down before it could get to WTC 7.What is your evidence of this?

Galileo
05-27-2008, 04:16 PM
What is your evidence of this?

the five articles, all written by experts.

clambake
05-27-2008, 04:21 PM
The CIA set up the hijackings with some combination of special agents and patsies, and the real hijackers had guns. The 19 people identified as the 19 hijackers are not the hijackers, although there may be some overlap. The planes were remote controlled into the buildings, except FL93 which was shot down before it could get to WTC 7.

i like it!

clambake
05-27-2008, 04:31 PM
The 19 people identified as the 19 hijackers are not the hijackers, although there may be some overlap.
so the 19 were just as surprised as the passengers?

The planes were remote controlled into the buildings, except FL93 which was shot down before it could get to WTC 7.
who needs hijackers if the planes are remote controlled?

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 04:37 PM
the five articles, all written by experts.Let's see....

The first "article" has no listed author.

The second uses the screen name of "GeorgeWashington" with no other information given.

The third and fifth are written by "andrewkornkven" which may or may not be a real name. Maybe he is an air traffic controller from Minnesota, but his self-written bio for his screen name is quite telling:

I am an American citizen. My research into 9/11 and other events such as the assassination of JFK, the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty, and the "Holocaust" phenomenon, has led me to conclude that 9/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US.

He blames the jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos.

Do you?

The fourth is another no info screen name: "shoestring."






So you need to answer this question: Have you reached the same conclusion as your expert "andrewkornkven"? Do you believe "/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US"?

Yes or no.

Galileo
05-27-2008, 04:49 PM
so the 19 were just as surprised as the passengers?

who needs hijackers if the planes are remote controlled?

note - there were definetely hijackers, as passengers called and reported them. They also reported that the hijachers had guns, which explains how they took over the cockpits.

A friend of mine who is an Air Traffic controlled says the hijackers could easily installed the remore control device into the control panel, then parachuted out of the plane below without being seen by the passengers.

He says it would safer in a special operation to install the remote control technology after the operation started, rather than try to install it in the plane before it took off, as the pilots might notice it, or if something when wrong and the operation had to be delayed.

He also says this explains the rather odd way the planes lost contact with ATC, then the transformers were turned off, and then the planes turned back.

The hijackers may also have been part of a war games or told they were part of a war games.

It should also be known that the reported time of the hijacking by Amy Sweeney on FL11 is way off the official time, so it may be likely that hijackers went into the cockpit and shot the pilots, then later, other hiajckers dressed up like Arabs created a commotion and tried to hide their guns.

It is also possible that the "two hijackings theory" involved special agents (who took over the cockpits) and paid patsies who died.

It should also be noted that most of the passengers gave the "wrong" number of hijackers, Mark Bingham on FL93 said 3 hijackers (not 4), Sweeney & Ong on FL11 both said 4 hijackers (not 5, and both gave the "wrong" seat numbers), and Renee May on FL77 siad 6 hijackers (not 5).

RandomGuy
05-27-2008, 04:53 PM
Either the conspiracy theorists are right about a massive organized evil conspiracy, or they are wrong.

If they are right about 9-11 being planned by an evil government conspiracy willing and capable of killing thousand of their own citizens, they would be just as motivated to keep that fact a secret.

An easy method of doing this is to do a disinformation campaign. All it takes is one or two paid evil guys willing to lie, a computer and some time.

The best way to do such a disinformation campaign is, as the conspiracy theorists themselves point out in my previous post is as follows:

Think of the stupidest shit possible
Present it in such a blatantly false and easily debunked manner that anybody with any common sense at all would recognize it immediately as stupid bullshit
This would then lead normal pepole to then associate all the real conspiracy evidence with this obvious quackery to discredit the whole movement to expose the grand evil conspiracy

IF there is a grand evil conspiracy, THEN at least SOME of the conspiracy "evidence" has been manufactured to be obviously stupid to put people off the trail.

THEREFORE:
IF the evil conpiracy exists AND you say you believe all of the conspiracy "evidence/theories" you MUST either:

1) Be one of those paid disinformation agents, and be lying and evil

or

2) Be too stupid to not recognize the obviously fake stuff that has been planted by the paid disinformation agents.

There are no other possibilities.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 04:53 PM
note - there were definetely hijackers, as passengers called and reported them. They also reported that the hijachers had guns, which explains how they took over the cockpits.

A friend of mine who is an Air Traffic controlled says the hijackers could easily installed the remore control device into the control panel, then parachuted out of the plane below without being seen by the passengers.

He says it would safer in a special operation to install the remote control technology after the operation started, rather than try to install it in the plane before it took off, as the pilots might notice it, or if something when wrong and the operation had to be delayed.

He also says this explains the rather odd way the planes lost contact with ATC, then the transformers were turned off, and then the planes turned back.

The hijackers may also have been part of a war games or told they were part of a war games.

It should also be known that the reported time of the hijacking by Amy Sweeney on FL11 is way off the official time, so it may be likely that hijackers went into the cockpit and shot the pilots, then later, other hiajckers dressed up like Arabs created a commotion and tried to hide their guns.

It is also possible that the "two hijackings theory" involved special agents (who took over the cockpits) and paid patsies who died.

It should also be noted that most of the passengers gave the "wrong" number of hijackers, Mark Bingham on FL93 said 3 hijackers (not 4), Sweeney & Ong on FL11 both said 4 hijackers (not 5, and both gave the "wrong" seat numbers), and Renee May on FL77 siad 6 hijackers (not 5).But that story directly conflicts with the first "expert" article you posted.


The use of AAL Flight 11 and UAL Flight 175 to attack the Twin Towers, and of AAL Flight 77 to attack the Pentagon requires the execution of two main tasks in each case:

1. Rendering unconscious the flight crew and passengers, preventing any communications from them about events in the cabin.
2. Taking over the flight computers, allowing the planes to be auto-piloted to their targets.

Task 1 is achieved with aerosol bombs of decapacitating gas hidden in luggage. The gas is fentanyl, the extremely potent opiate used by Russian forces to end the hostage crisis in the theater in Chechnya. The bombs detonate when the barometric trigger senses a cabin pressure corresponding to an altitude of 28,000 feet. The fentanyl gas diffuses throughout the cabin and is absorbed so rapidly by the victims that they cannot even pick up a cell phone or handset to initiate a call.

Task 2 is accomplished with an autopilot program in an upgrade package, disguised as a high-altitude stall-recovery program. The instrument-triggered program is started by the flight computer when the plane passes through 30,000 feet and proceeds to fly the aircraft into its target with down-to-the-meter accuracy.

Which story do you actually believe?

clambake
05-27-2008, 04:56 PM
note - there were definetely hijackers, as passengers called and reported them. They also reported that the hijachers had guns, which explains how they took over the cockpits.

A friend of mine who is an Air Traffic controlled says the hijackers could easily installed the remore control device into the control panel, then parachuted out of the plane below without being seen by the passengers.

He says it would safer in a special operation to install the remote control technology after the operation started, rather than try to install it in the plane before it took off, as the pilots might notice it, or if something when wrong and the operation had to be delayed.

He also says this explains the rather odd way the planes lost contact with ATC, then the transformers were turned off, and then the planes turned back.

The hijackers may also have been part of a war games or told they were part of a war games.

It should also be known that the reported time of the hijacking by Amy Sweeney on FL11 is way off the official time, so it may be likely that hijackers went into the cockpit and shot the pilots, then later, other hiajckers dressed up like Arabs created a commotion and tried to hide their guns.

It is also possible that the "two hijackings theory" involved special agents (who took over the cockpits) and paid patsies who died.

It should also be noted that most of the passengers gave the "wrong" number of hijackers, Mark Bingham on FL93 said 3 hijackers (not 4), Sweeney & Ong on FL11 both said 4 hijackers (not 5, and both gave the "wrong" seat numbers), and Renee May on FL77 siad 6 hijackers (not 5).

doesn't that make you fill a little silly? read what you wrote, again.

RandomGuy
05-27-2008, 04:58 PM
And if the there is no grand evil conspiracy, and you believe in all of the conspiracy "evidence", you can't be evil.

BUT

You can be stupid.

Therefore, if you believe in all the conspiracy "evidence" whether or not the evil conspiracy exists, you are EITHER:

1) Lying and evil.

or

2) Too stupid to see that the "evidence" supporting grand evil conspiracies is fucktarded.

Since "Galileo" obviously believes in all the conspiracy "evidence" he must be either one of those disinformation agents or stupid.

The only way to disprove this is for Galileo to rule out some of the "conspiracy" evidence as being obviously false, which he has not done to my knowledge.

You make the call:

Lying and evil, or just stupid.

Galileo
05-27-2008, 04:58 PM
Let's see....

The first "article" has no listed author.

The second uses the screen name of "GeorgeWashington" with no other information given.

The third and fifth are written by "andrewkornkven" which may or may not be a real name. Maybe he is an air traffic controller from Minnesota, but his self-written bio for his screen name is quite telling:

I am an American citizen. My research into 9/11 and other events such as the assassination of JFK, the 1967 attack on the USS Liberty, and the "Holocaust" phenomenon, has led me to conclude that 9/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US.

He blames the jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos.

Do you?

The fourth is another no info screen name: "shoestring."






So you need to answer this question: Have you reached the same conclusion as your expert "andrewkornkven"? Do you believe "/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US"?

Yes or no.

I didn't know he said that.

RandomGuy
05-27-2008, 05:00 PM
But then again, we have seen all of this shit before (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65131).

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 05:00 PM
I didn't know he said that.It's right there in his profile.

http://www.911blogger.com/user/253

See what just a little research can turn up?

Now tell me -- do you share his belief "that 9/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US"?

Yes or no.

RandomGuy
05-27-2008, 05:01 PM
It's right there in his profile.

http://www.911blogger.com/user/253

See what just a little research can turn up?

Now tell me -- do you share his belief "that 9/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US"?

Yes or no.

You would be amazed at how many conspiracy theories always go back to "blame it on the joos"

Galileo
05-27-2008, 05:03 PM
It's right there in his profile.

http://www.911blogger.com/user/253

See what just a little research can turn up?

Now tell me -- do you share his belief "that 9/11 was perpetrated by Israel and its Zionist supporters in the US"?

Yes or no.

No, I don't agree with that. I didn't know it was there.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 05:05 PM
Here's the best analysis of what REALLY happened:

Attack Scenario 404 *
How the Attack Might Have Been Engineered (But Probably Wasn't)
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/scenario404.html

Is This What Happened on 9/11?
by GeorgeWashington
http://www.911blogger.com/node/14740#comment-181763

"Mayday! Mayday!"-- What Really Happened in the Cockpit of United 93?
by Andrew Kornkven
http://www.911blogger.com/node/13376

Was 10:45 a.m. the Originally Planned Demolition Time of WTC 7?
by shoestring
http://www.911blogger.com/node/15318

Another Air Traffic Controller Supports 9/11 Truth
by Andy Kornkven
http://www.911blogger.com/blog/253

I find it hilarious that the very first article you linked says the attack "probably wasn't" engineered the way he describes it right in the title.

And "GeorgeWashington" says at the end of his article:

Note: I am not saying this is what happened.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/14740#comment-181763

These guys don't even believe their own BS.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 05:11 PM
No, I don't agree with that. I didn't know it was there.So your buddy andrewkornkven's two articles can be dismissed out of hand, and I just showed that two other authors don't truly believe their articles to be definitive.

So what's left?

"WTC 7 collapsed six and a half hours later than the NWO originally planned."

Written by nobody.

That really doesn't explain much about what really happened on 9/11.

ChumpDumper
05-27-2008, 05:41 PM
BTW, I just finished The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright, so I might be a little more indignant about "alternative" theories.

I recommend that book as a great overview of the beginnings of the modern Islamic fundamentalist movement and its resultant terrorism all the way up to 9/11, as well as the difficulties US officials had in tracking them down or stopping them -- many of them self-created.

Aggie Hoopsfan
05-27-2008, 07:28 PM
Two hour speech on 9/11? There's two hours of their lives that everyone who listens to it won't be able to get back.

Anti.Hero
05-27-2008, 07:49 PM
Will he also dive into the growing problem of the United States government setting up stealth alien beacons in third world countries as a means of attracting outer space races to do battle which in effect threatens all of mankind?


I fear Glover and Awwwnold now wish to not alienate the predators and both strive for equality between all species.

Galileo
05-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Jesse Ventura to Speak for Two Hours on 9/11

This will be Jesse's longest interview yet on 9/11.

Also expect discussion of Jesse's views on Libertarian philosophy, the Libertarian Party, Bob Barr, Ron Paul, and the U.S. Imperial Wars of aggression in the Middle East.

Wednesday, May 28, 4PM to 6PM central

Listen Live on Network 4: http://www.gcnlive.com/Listen_Live.html

Call In Number: 1-866-582-9933

Program Archived for 24 hours: http://www.gcnlive.com/Programs/DynamicDuo/On_Demand.html

If you have any questions you would like to have the host ask Jesse, please post something in the comments.

Link to announcement:

28 May 2008
Interview: Gov. Jesse Ventura will be the guest of Jim Fetzer on
"The Dynamic Duo"
4-6 PM/CT on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com/
http://www.911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=53

Also, note that Dr. Stephen Jones, member of Libertarians for Justice, will be on a similar program tonight (Tuesday):

27 May 2008
Interview: Rob Balsamo, first hour; and Steven Jones, second,
will be the guests of Kevin Barrett on "9/11 and American Empire"
8-10 PM/CT on WTPN: http://wtprn.com
http://www.911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=53

Libertarians for Justice
http://www.libertariansforjustice.org/

Barrett for Congress
http://www.barrettforcongress.us/

TruthAction.org Attempting to Sabotage Jesse Ventura Interview & the 9/11 Truth Movement:

"victronix01



Joined: 18 Sep 2007
Posts: 157

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So Jesse Ventura is going to be on Fetzer's Dynamic Duo . . . for 2 hours. Someone should try to reach Ventura.

Quote:
Tomorrow: Jim Fetzer interviews Jesse Ventura for TWO FULL HOURS! Dynamic Duo, 4-6 pm Central, http://www.gcnlive.com Network 4"



http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1887&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=195

ChumpDumper
05-28-2008, 12:51 AM
So a truther organization is trying to sabotage another truther?

What's the matter with you guys?

Galileo
05-28-2008, 02:05 AM
So a truther organization is trying to sabotage another truther?

What's the matter with you guys?

Some truthers are even worse than you debunkers. Read through the whole thread and you'll be scratching your head.

Galileo
05-28-2008, 02:14 AM
So a truther organization is trying to sabotage another truther?

What's the matter with you guys?

These are the far left wing truthers, who have not yet figured out that if 9/11 was an inside job, then we wouldn't want national health care, as then Dick Cheney could kill us all.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2008, 02:21 AM
Some truthers are even worse than you debunkers. Read through the whole thread and you'll be scratching your head.Truther posts pretty much anywhere leave me scratching my head.

shelshor
05-28-2008, 05:50 AM
Are ya'll sure it wasn't fnords under the control of the Gnomes of Zurich what did the deed?

ClingingMars
05-28-2008, 07:27 PM
you should write a novel!

- Mars

Don Quixote
05-28-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm sure Dan Brown is working on it as we speak.

ChumpDumper
05-28-2008, 09:11 PM
That was damn boring.

Galileo
06-08-2008, 02:29 PM
Jesse's Interview Archived:

28 May 2008
Interview: Gov. Jesse Ventura will be the guest of Jim Fetzer on
"The Dynamic Duo"
4-6 PM/CT on GCN: http://www.gcnlive.com/
archived mp3 - hour 1, hour 2

http://www.911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=53

http://twilightpines.com/media/dynamicduo/0528081.mp3

http://twilightpines.com/media/dynamicduo/0528082.mp3

ChumpDumper
06-08-2008, 03:02 PM
Trust me, it's not worth your time.

BradLohaus
06-08-2008, 05:49 PM
KLBJ 590 played the Jones interview today. Ventura's considering a senate run.

Galileo
06-09-2008, 10:52 AM
'9/11 Truther' : I may break voting record

Monday, June 9, 2008, 8:52 AM

By Brian Moon

As a UW faculty member Kevin Barrett took aim at the US government saying it was behind the 9/11 attacks. Now he's taking aim at the 3rd Congressional District Seat running as a Libertarian Party candidate. He says he brings the ability to bring more votes than LP candidates traditionally do, rather than the usual 2 percent vote he believes he can pull 11 percent of votes against a Democrat or Republican.



Part of Barrett's strategy involves educating people on his opposition to the Iraq War and incumbent Democrat Ron Kind's support of it.



"Once people hear that Ron Kind voted repeatedly for the Iraq War every one I talked to says 'I'm voting for you"



Businessman Ben Olson III has also filed for the LP candidacy. Barrett says Olson come from the old libertarian thought that often wants to "shut down every aspect of the government overnight." Barrett calls himself a new libertarian.



"The government actually needs to be strengthened in a certain way so it can go after the worst abuses of private power."



Barrett cites big banks and corporate powers among these abusers. He considers himself in the tradition of "Fighting" Bob Lafollette, an early 20th century progressive Wisconsin politician who fought against large companies and their public policy influence



LISTEN TO THE REPORT, BROADCAST ON 74 RADIO STATIONS IN WISCONSIN:



http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=6D9AEA76-A95A-569C-A5854F44C09F2C37



74 Radio Stations

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Galileo
06-09-2008, 04:11 PM
Kevin Barrett to Appear on Air America with Jesse Ventura

For Immediate Release - June 10, 2007

Contact:

Dr. Kevin Barrett; 608-583-2132, [email protected]

Rolf Lindgren; 608-279-5889, [email protected]

www.barrettforcongress.us

On Thursday, June 12, from 8 to 10 PM central time, Dr. Kevin Barrett, along with Jesse Ventura, will be Richard Greene's guests on the Air America program 'Clout'.

The topic of the program will be the politics of conspiracy theories.

The third guest on the program will be Dr. James Fetzer of Oregon, Wisconsin. Dr. Fetzer has a PhD in the History and Philosophy of Science and has published 28 books, including books on artificial intelligence and the assassination of John F Kennedy.

Air America's website here: http://airamerica.com/clout/

Galileo
06-14-2008, 01:41 PM
Kevin Barrett and Jesse Ventura on Air America "Clout" (Richard Greene)

You can listen here:

http://airamerica.com/ondemand

ChumpDumper
06-14-2008, 01:55 PM
Let us know if they say anything worthwhile.