Fisher: "I never thought they'd call a foul"

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:flipoff He knew the stripes wouldn't ring him up.

[ballhog]

He sure looked guilty there. Didn't see him celebrate at all. He knew he got bailed out.

[Fabbs]

I get sick of hearing about how **classy** Fisher allegedly is.

Assard of a player with his deadball flops, PMS grimacing at the refs for calls he has no business recieving etc. No respect for the game. And now this.

[Dim Tuncan]

(1) Should have been Laker ball, as Fisher's shot hit the rim.

(2) Barry traveled

(3) Barry hooked Fisher

(4) As soon as Barry went right it became a non-call

We will win the PR war. Look at ESPN right now, no mention. People who missed the game will read this:


"That's not going to get called in the Western Conference finals," Barry said. "Maybe in the regular season. But that call shouldn't be called in the Western Conference finals."

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said: "If I was the official I wouldn't have called that a foul."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280527024

and conclude correctly that the Lakers won fair and square.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

(1) Should have been Laker ball, as Fisher's shot hit the rim.

(2) Barry traveled

(3) Barry hooked Fisher

(4) As soon as Barry went right it became a non-call

We will win the PR war. Look at ESPN right now, no mention. People who missed the game will read this:



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280527024

and conclude correctly that the Lakers won fair and square.

1. Ball hit backboard, not rim.

2. Yeah, after Fisher landed on him.

3. Put down the bong.

4. If it were Kobe, it would have been called. A foul's a foul.

And you're not winning the PR war, you must have missed this (I know, it had to be difficult, it was on ESPN's web site right next to the article you linked to):


That Was A Foul!
May 28, 2008 12:33 AM

OK, there, big ol' NBA, let's be honest: You were on notice. No funny business! We have had our referee scandal, we have been accused of fixing games, and we have promised that such things would never never never no not ever happen again.

You bounced back pretty nicely. But you promised transparency. You talked about a sacred trust.

And in that context, with everyone and their brother suspecting that the League would prefer to have the ratings monster Lakers in the Finals, and with a notorious anti-Spur referee assigned to the game, how can a key Western Conference final game end like this?

Laker Derek Fisher left his feet, and landed hard into Spur Brent Barry. The Spurs were down two and time was running out. That's a foul in my pickup game. That's a foul in high school. That's a foul in college. And, at just about every moment of NBA basketball that I have ever seen except this one, that's a foul in the NBA.

That just simply must be called a foul, if nothing else to allay the fears that the League may be fixing up the Finals for big ratings.

I actually do not think that the NBA is rigged (if it was the shot clock would have been reset on the play before, when Derek Fisher's shot appeared to touch the rim). But a lot of people do, and that's a problem. The way to solve that problem is to be scrupulously fair, which this was not.

And when mistakes are made, I think fans are owed a clear and honest explanation, complete with, when necessary, a swift admission that an error was made. Is that too much to ask?

And then, do me one last little favor: Look us in the eye, and tell us just one more time that the sport we love is not rigged.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-237/That-Was-a-Foul-.html

[Trainwreck2100]

(1) Should have been Laker ball, as Fisher's shot hit the rim. -has nothing to do with fisher's quote

(2) Barry traveled-amazing how every analyst but you missed that

(3) Barry hooked Fisher-in order for that to happen barry would have need to be in front of him while he was in the air.

(4) As soon as Barry went right it became a non-call-did he go right before or after he hooked him?

We will win the PR war. Look at ESPN right now, no mention. People who missed the game will read this: it's the lakers they'll win any PR war against anyone not in orange or green

[sabar]

Well there you have it coaches, put it in your playbooks. If a team has the final shot, jump into them so the shot is impossible to make.

[Dim Tuncan]

amazing how every analyst but you missed that

Irrelevent. Suck a fat one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

[Trainwreck2100]

Irrelevent. Suck a fat one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

He moves his right foot after he initiates a dribble you moron

[Dim Tuncan]

He moves his right foot after he initiates a dribble you moron

He stutter steps before dribbling you moron.

No repeat! Barred from discussions about the greatest teams of all time! OUCH!

:lmao:lobt2::bking

[Mamba24]

Please stop with the "if it was Kobe, it would have been a foul", Kobe's been fouled worse than Fish bumped into Barry and it hasn't been called all series. Dial it back.

[Trainwreck2100]

He stutter steps before dribbling you moron.

No repeat! Barred from discussions about the greatest teams of all time! OUCH!

:lmao:lobt2::bking

His hand is on top of the ball where was the ball going?

[Dim Tuncan]

His hand is on top of the ball where was the ball going?

This is fun!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REPEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHA

:lobt2: <--- Not yours :nope

[Trainwreck2100]

This is fun!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REPEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHA

:lobt2: <--- Not yours :nope

so much fun you've completely ignored posts like these
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2550195&postcount=52

[Dim Tuncan]

so much fun you've completely ignored posts like these
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2550195&postcount=52

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARED.

Wh-wh-whut if the SPurs fans put all of their vBookie points on game 5?

:rollin

[Trainwreck2100]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARED.

Wh-wh-whut if the SPurs fans put all of their vBookie points on game 5?

:rollin

I ain't see you refuting any of it, you must believe it will happen if you won't reply.

[mVp]

Fuck Fisher... really... I hate the son of a bitch.

[jbspurs]

This is fun!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REPEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHA

:lobt2: <--- Not yours :nope

NOT OVER TIL IT'S OVER!

[Dim Tuncan]

NOT OVER TIL IT'S OVER!

VERY true. Best post of the thread. Thanks for correcting me.

[SRJ]

Fuck Fisher... really... I hate the son of a bitch.

+1

[FuckTheSpurs]

Fuck Fisher... really... I hate the son of a bitch.

Fuck the Spurs!!!!

[Lakers14Titles]

Yeah there's so much to hate Derek Fisher for, what a terrible person.

[pakzz]

move on spurs fans! :lol

[samikeyp]

Yeah there's so much to hate Derek Fisher for, what a terrible person.

On the court, yes. Although I don't hate, I would say intensely dislike.

Off the court, I hear he does a lot of good stuff for the community(kind of like Bowen...despised on the court but a great citizen off of it) and if I could help his little girl out I would. No parent deserves to go through that. That Utah fan who did that hand over the eye thing should be dragged out and shot.

[Lakers14Titles]

I don't even know what's to dislike on the court, but whatever. What should he have called the foul on himself? Should he have not shot the ball with .4 left and just let the Spurs win? I don't get it, but whatever. You would love to have him on your team and if you wouldn't, you're a fool.

[samikeyp]

I don't even know what's to dislike on the court, but whatever. What should he have called the foul on himself? Should he have not shot the ball with .4 left and just let the Spurs win? I don't get it, but whatever. You would love to have him on your team and if you wouldn't, you're a fool.

No he should have shot the ball but as a Spurs fan I don't have to like the fact that it went in. And I didn't say I hated Fisher or disliked him, I said that I can see why people do.

Then again, I pretty much boo any Spurs opponent but I keep it at booing. Some fans take it too far.

[Lakers14Titles]

I would hope you wouldn't have liked that. Lakers lost the title anyway, I don't even give a shit about that stupid shot anymore.

[samikeyp]

exactly, just like I didn't like the result with the no call on Barry. And if the Spurs lose the series, there will be some Spurs fans that just won't let it go. I don't see it like that but there are no rules on being a fan so to each his own.

[Lakers14Titles]

Had it gone in you can bet every Laker fan would have been bitching about Fisher's shot hitting the rim, so it goes both ways I suppose.

[samikeyp]

Had it gone in you can bet every Laker fan would have been bitching about Fisher's shot hitting the rim, so it goes both ways I suppose.

true.

[spurscenter]

i guess the east is going to win it all again.

[Commissioner Stern]

Most of the 29 were jump shots and two were breakaway dunks, but you would think a guy with the ball in his hands that much would get to the line at least once, even if a ref accidentally exhaled with a whistle in his mouth. The last time Bryant didn't attempt a free throw in a playoff game was Game 5 of the 2004 conference semifinals -- known here and in L.A. as the .4 Game. The Spurs actually filed a protest with the league on that one, saying that Fisher could not have had enough time to catch the ball and fling it into the basket in that span.

This time Gregg Popovich and Co. dutifully accepted the ruling on the floor, and the unwritten rule that the officials don't decide the end of games. Perhaps they remembered how they benefited from the same thought process when Bob Delaney didn't blow the whistle when Bruce Bowen grabbed LeBron James at the end of Game 3 in the NBA Finals last year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080528

[hsxvvd]

Even his fucking daughter has better vision than Joey Crawford.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Even his fucking daughter has better vision than Joey Crawford.

Classy post.

[PwrGetter]

I'll admit I think it was a foul, but Barry also traveled. Hopped into place with two feet, moved his left which became his pivot, then moved his right before dribbling the ball again.

http://i32.tinypic.com/8vvq4m.jpg

[iflyabeech]

travel? umm no...but obviously a foul, fisher was on top of barry.......http://thirdcoastoutdoors.com/forum/Smileys/kellys/bs.gif

[mbass]

This is fun!!!!!!!!!!!

NO REPEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHA

:lobt2: <--- Not yours :nope

Maybe not - and it may not be yours either.

The Spurs have the best power forward ever - the Lakers have, what, a rapist?

[ballhog]

Out of the corner of his eye he could see Joey C. that's why.

[kcalb abmam]

Maybe not - and it may not be yours either.

The Spurs have the best power forward ever - the Lakers have, what, a rapist?

men, statements like this make me believe that u spurs fans are more stupid than i thought. wow, re-read the sentence and tell me if it makes sense. i mean, u know u guys are bitter and all but u aint gotta put ur stupidty on full display like this...wow:nope

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Karma has caught up with him before and will continue to do so. That is all.

[Nbadan]

I'm just not seeing a travel by Barry, but there was clearly a non-shooting foul by Fisher...


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[TampaDude]

The foul came before the shot and Lakers were in the penalty. Two FTs for Barry. IF he makes both, then OT. Do you all really think the Spurs had enough left in the tank to win it in OT? The only reason the Spurs even had a chance was because of some illegal defense call on Odom there at the end AND two missed FTs by the Lakers. Otherwise, the Spurs never even get that shot.

[temujin]

If that's travel, the rapist would score 6 points and have 21 TO per game.

Everything went roughly as planned, just I didn't think Stern needed Crawfard to execute it.
Also I thought a 6 games series would suit the Spurs as well.

Now, the Spurs are too fucking dangerous and Stern needs to kick them out in 5.

Fakers are a non entity: they were given Gasolio for free and they are just playing the role Stern assigned to them.
Business is business and the Spurs business is just too small in the long run.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs should have never put themselves in a position to allow that game to come down to a call or no-call on a short possession at the end. If the Spurs could have been bothered, for instance, to hustle for the rebound on Walton's free throw brick at the end of the first half, they: (1) deprive the Lakers of 2 points (the ultimate difference in the game); and (2) give themselves a good chance to go in with a score and some momentum.

And the Daily Dime is correct that the Spurs got the benefit of almost exactly the same call at the end of Game 3 of the 2007 Finals.

With that said, I thought Bowen fouled James at the end of that game and that Delaney should have called it then; and I think Fisher fouled Barry last night and that Crawford should have made that call. Again, it didn't decide the game -- the Lakers played better in Game 4 (they certainly brought a greater sense of urgency and a lot more hustle) and the Spurs basically had no business finding themselves in position to even have a shot to get the game to overtime. It's a perfect instance of what I've said before about officiating: play better and don't let the officiating make a difference.

The Spurs have to feel as though they've had every chance to be up 3-1 in this series; they've had some adversity to be sure and I do think that adversity killed them in Game 1, but the opportunities were there to realistically be up 3-1 at this point and the Spurs have only themselves to blame for being in a 1-3 hole. Lots of work to do!!

[samikeyp]

The Spurs should have never put themselves in a position to allow that game to come down to a call or no-call on a short possession at the end. If the Spurs could have been bothered, for instance, to hustle for the rebound on Walton's free throw brick at the end of the first half, they: (1) deprive the Lakers of 2 points (the ultimate difference in the game); and (2) give themselves a good chance to go in with a score and some momentum.

And the Daily Dime is correct that the Spurs got the benefit of almost exactly the same call at the end of Game 3 of the 2007 Finals.

With that said, I thought Bowen fouled James at the end of that game and that Delaney should have called it then; and I think Fisher fouled Barry last night and that Crawford should have made that call. Again, it didn't decide the game -- the Lakers played better in Game 4 (they certainly brought a greater sense of urgency and a lot more hustle) and the Spurs basically had no business finding themselves in position to even have a shot to get the game to overtime. It's a perfect instance of what I've said before about officiating: play better and don't let the officiating make a difference.

The Spurs have to feel as though they've had every chance to be up 3-1 in this series; they've had some adversity to be sure and I do think that adversity killed them in Game 1, but the opportunities were there to realistically be up 3-1 at this point and the Spurs have only themselves to blame for being in a 1-3 hole. Lots of work to do!!

+1

[Sportcamper]

If there was a foul on the last play then the referees would have called it…End of story...Time to move on…

Major Props to Barry…Just a few weeks ago he was not even in the NBA…Discarded like a worn out dish rag by the Spurs, Barry fought back, and has been the go to guy in this series…

[MadDog73]

the Spurs have only themselves to blame for being in a 1-3 hole.

Of course the Spurs are to blame.

But that doesn't change the fact that the refs have decided two games now: Game 1's no call on Kobe push-off on Bowen, and Game 4's non call on Fisher.

So, yes, the Spurs are to blame... but not the ONLY ones to blame.

[samikeyp]

Of course the Spurs are to blame.

But that doesn't change the fact that the refs have decided two games now: Game 1's no call on Kobe push-off on Bowen, and Game 4's non call on Fisher.

So, yes, the Spurs are to blame... but not the ONLY ones to blame.

Refs don't make players miss shots, take bad shots or turn the ball over.

The Spurs let a 20pt. lead get away from them in Game 1 and miss tons of wide open looks in Game 4. You can't blame the refs for those and those reasons are why they are down 1-3.

[MadDog73]

Refs don't make players miss shots, take bad shots or turn the ball over.

The Spurs let a 20pt. lead get away from them in Game 1 and miss tons of wide open looks in Game 4. You can't blame the refs for those and those reasons are why they are down 1-3.

Agreed.

But that doesn't change the FACT that the Spurs have endured TWO non-calls that could have changed the outcome of the game.

Just because you play shitty, doesn't mean the rules don't matter anymore.

[Sportcamper]

Horrys tackle on Lamar…Manu leg whipping Kobe, Barry tearing the jersey off of Walton… (http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-05/39318914.jpg)Yea its been a real conspiracy…

[kcalb abmam]

:nope
If that's travel, the rapist would score 6 points and have 21 TO per game.

Everything went roughly as planned, just I didn't think Stern needed Crawfard to execute it.
Also I thought a 6 games series would suit the Spurs as well.

Now, the Spurs are too fucking dangerous and Stern needs to kick them out in 5.

Fakers are a non entity: they were given Gasolio for free and they are just playing the role Stern assigned to them.
Business is business and the Spurs business is just too small in the long run.
u spurs fans are just clueless, classless and dellusional. ur team was playing from behind from tip off to the end of the game at home and u guys want to use refs as an excuse. are u guys even for real, i mean u just cant be serious with that post. Did any of u watch the 1st qtr of the game when the whistles were going on like a war zone anytime the spurs had the ball. Also, Fisher's shot hit the rim so the shot clock should have been reset, lamar's block's shouldnt have been called a goaltend, put all this together and u guys wouldnt have been in the position for that last shot. follow the class act of pop and brent barry and quit acting like ignorant idiots.....gosh

[kcalb abmam]

Of course the Spurs are to blame.

But that doesn't change the fact that the refs have decided two games now: Game 1's no call on Kobe push-off on Bowen, and Game 4's non call on Fisher.

So, yes, the Spurs are to blame... but not the ONLY ones to blame.

so the refs cost u a game u were playing from behind the entire game and had no chance of winning if not for missed calls by officials. the refs cost u a game u were up by 20 with 6 mins left in the 3rd but couldnt hit anything in the 4th. if i were you, just for credibility reasons, i wouldnt even bring game 1 into the equation, but then again, i dont expect u to know any better.

[MadDog73]

so the refs cost u a game u were playing from behind the entire game and had no chance of winning if not for missed calls by officials. the refs cost u a game u were up by 20 with 6 mins left in the 3rd but couldnt hit anything in the 4th. if i were you, just for credibility reasons, i wouldnt even bring game 1 into the equation, but then again, i dont expect u to know any better.

Read my post again.

The SPURS cost us the game... but the refs didn't do us any favors.

And that's what irks me. Maybe the Spurs lose anyway.

But why ignore the Kobe foul on Bowen?

And why not call the obvious foul on Barry?

[oligarchy]

Read my post again.

The SPURS cost us the game... but the refs didn't do us any favors.

And that's what irks me. Maybe the Spurs lose anyway.

But why ignore the Kobe foul on Bowen?

And why not call the obvious foul on Barry?

:whine

[LEONARD]

I love it...this is so awesome...

[temujin]

:nope
u spurs fans are just clueless, classless and dellusional. ur team was playing from behind from tip off to the end of the game at home and u guys want to use refs as an excuse. are u guys even for real, i mean u just cant be serious with that post. Did any of u watch the 1st qtr of the game when the whistles were going on like a war zone anytime the spurs had the ball. Also, Fisher's shot hit the rim so the shot clock should have been reset, lamar's block's shouldnt have been called a goaltend, put all this together and u guys wouldnt have been in the position for that last shot. follow the class act of pop and brent barry and quit acting like ignorant idiots.....gosh

You have obviously NEVER played any serious basketball.
I bet you have NEVER even been PAYED to play the game.
And of course, business-wise, you never made any decision.
Just obeyed to orders.
Stern is businessman, and yes, Gasol-for-nothing, tight schedule, Crawford in G4 (the key game), it all fits.
He made the RIGHT decisions business-wise.
I would have made the same.
And Pop and Barry just said what they are supposed to be saying.
They are PART of this business.

You aren't.

So just watch the TV, open the fridge on breaks, eat those turkey and salmon sandwiches, get fat.
And don't forget to feel like a "champion".
That's the role you have been given.