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JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 12:10 PM
This is a good book for conservatives and those like me who want to learn more about them.

It's My Party Too. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1594200408/qid=1106845345/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-4381717-6088662)

It's My Party, Too: The Battle for the Heart of the GOP and the Future of America
by Christine Todd Whitman

I'm going to get this and read it. I think this also applies to liberals.
Just as the democratic party has been taken over by the extreme-right, the republican party has been taken over by the far-right.

The terms "liberal" and "conservative" do not apply to true liberals and conservatives any more as far as I'm concerned.

Not every conservative is against pro-choice just like not every liberal is against over turning Roe vs Wade.

To democrats I say, "It's my party too!"...and we are taking it back!

NeoConIV
01-27-2005, 12:54 PM
http://www.hoganphoto.com/Monarch_C.jpg

Come out of that cocoon Joe. You're doing your darndest to justify remaining in the democratic party, but it's evident you're having a rough time of it.

Just come out of that cocoon Joe. Spread your wings.

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 01:14 PM
What? Why would I go to a party that is way too the right?
I don't agree with the ban on gay marriage and I don't think one has to express their religious faith to be included.
I suggest you may want to come out of you shell and take back your republican party, unless of course you like where it is headed.
I'm a Jefferson and Kennedy liberal and I'm stickin' to it.

exstatic
01-27-2005, 01:19 PM
Why suggest a book to them? They'll probably burn it.

travis2
01-27-2005, 01:23 PM
No, we leave that to liberals storming bookstores and removing books they think are "politically incorrect".

NeoConIV
01-27-2005, 01:32 PM
Why suggest a book to them? They'll probably burn it.
No, I'd read it, then sell it on Amazon, like I always do. Or return it to the library if I borrowed it.

NeoConIV
01-27-2005, 01:32 PM
No, we leave that to liberals storming bookstores and removing books they think are "politically incorrect".
Quite right.

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 02:06 PM
exlaxtic can read?

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 02:32 PM
Quite wrong.

travis2
01-27-2005, 02:33 PM
Sorry, Joe...but the number of book/literature burnings by "liberals" far outnumbers the number by "conservatives"...

Hook Dem
01-27-2005, 02:40 PM
What? Why would I go to a party that is way too the right?
I don't agree with the ban on gay marriage and I don't think one has to express their religious faith to be included.
I suggest you may want to come out of you shell and take back your republican party, unless of course you like where it is headed.
I'm a Jefferson and Kennedy liberal and I'm stickin' to it.
Joe, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this but I pose a question to you. How will you feel if one of your daughters tells you that she wants to marry another woman? Unless I have misjudged you, you ain't gonna like it. Is your feeling on this subject just for those other than yourself and yours?

Guru of Nothing
01-27-2005, 02:44 PM
How will you feel if one of your daughters tells you that she wants to marry another woman?

Who pays for the wedding?

travis2
01-27-2005, 02:49 PM
Who pays for the wedding?

:lmao

Now that's funny...

exstatic
01-27-2005, 02:54 PM
Sorry, Joe...but the number of book/literature burnings by "liberals" far outnumbers the number by "conservatives"...
Based on what? Your guess or belief?

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 02:55 PM
well liberals are good and conservatives are bad so the conservatives must burn more so goes exlaxtics crackhead reasoning

travis2
01-27-2005, 02:56 PM
Neither. Look up incidents of students stealing newspapers, tearing down flyers, etc. on college campuses and correlate with the political leanings.

Now...what about your comment? Your guess or belief? Or were you just being a jerk to conservatives?

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 03:05 PM
Sorry, Joe...but the number of book/literature burnings by "liberals" far outnumbers the number by "conservatives"...

Proof please. I've heard many conservatives burning books and Beatles records and now even burning SpongeBob DVD's!!

travis2
01-27-2005, 03:06 PM
Proof please. I've heard many conservatives burning books and Beatles records and now even burning SpongeBob DVD's!!

See above...

And frankly I've never heard of any of those things...with the exception of Dixie Chicks CDs...which was a political statement against the statements made by the band against the President, not against the music.

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 03:09 PM
Joe, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this but I pose a question to you. How will you feel if one of your daughters tells you that she wants to marry another woman? Unless I have misjudged you, you ain't gonna like it. Is your feeling on this subject just for those other than yourself and yours?

My love for my daughters will not change because they want to be with a woman because the fact will remain...they will still by my daugthers.

And where did you get the idea that I have anything against gays?

And for the most part I am not going to like the fact that they are dating anybody at all, be it a man or a woman.

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 03:11 PM
See above...

And frankly I've never heard of any of those things...with the exception of Dixie Chicks CDs...which was a political statement against the statements made by the band against the President, not against the music.

You really need to stop watching only FoxNews.

Conservatives have burned books far more than liberals.

Hook Dem
01-27-2005, 03:13 PM
"And for the most part I am not going to like the fact that they are dating anybody at all, be it a man or a woman." ..........................I never said I got the idea you were against gays. It's this statement that made me say what I did.

Hook Dem
01-27-2005, 03:15 PM
You really need to stop watching only FoxNews.

Conservatives have burned books far more than liberals.
In the movie "Day after Tomorrow", were those liberals or conservatives who were burning books? :lol

travis2
01-27-2005, 03:16 PM
You really need to stop watching only FoxNews.

Conservatives have burned books far more than liberals.

You really need to stop watching only CNN.

I don't believe your statement any more than I believe exstatic's without evidence.

And BTW...none of my evidence was from FoxNews.

Hook Dem
01-27-2005, 03:18 PM
So lets see now....liberals don't watch Fox and conservatives don't watch CNN. Absolutely shocking! :lol

Samurai Jane
01-27-2005, 03:21 PM
I never liked the idea of bookburning from either side. If you don't agree, don't buy/borrow/read the book.

That's my humble opinion.

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 03:22 PM
exlaxtics never set a foot on a college campus what would he know

exstatic
01-27-2005, 03:24 PM
And frankly I've never heard of any of those things...
http://www.cshs.co.uk/HeartArchive/Heart5/Images/buryhead.gif
That evil Shania Twain (http://www.freep.com/news/religion/nburn6_20030806.htm)

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 03:28 PM
oh no were not the baddies you are the baddies

travis2
01-27-2005, 03:28 PM
Put up or shut up, Mark.

I find it much more likely you would burn a book than I would.

exstatic
01-27-2005, 03:35 PM
I did put up, or didn't you see the link? My challenge to you, Travis, is to find one instance where an organized liberal group got together to destroy, via burning or crushing or whatever, something they found offensive.

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 03:36 PM
ooooooh yeah. cliff clavin done showed you

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 03:44 PM
i will help you travis you are a good man

http://www.thefire.org/

travis2
01-27-2005, 03:45 PM
I did put up, or didn't you see the link? My challenge to you, Travis, is to find one instance where an organized liberal group got together to destroy, via burning or crushing or whatever, something they found offensive.

Burning Books At Berkeley (http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/years/2000/000164.html)

travis2
01-27-2005, 03:46 PM
i will help you travis you are a good man

http://www.thefire.org/

thanks

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 03:47 PM
now exlaxtic will post something with "falwell", "neocons", and "rr" in it

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 03:49 PM
I remember when conservatives had their book burning parties.

Clinton Bashing Book Burning (http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=1954)

And oh how those Harry Potter Books can be so evil!!

Another Harry Potter Book Burning by Conservaties (http://www.hpana.com/news.17092.html)

Shit happens from both sides.

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 03:50 PM
thanks

I didn't see book burning on that link but I could be wrong.

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 03:52 PM
uh think a little harder

travis2
01-27-2005, 03:53 PM
http://www.dartreview.com/issues/4.9.01/controversy.html

exstatic
01-27-2005, 04:06 PM
church book burning (http://www.hpana.com/news.17126.html)
Harry Potter burnings, religiously motivated (http://childrensbooks.about.com/cs/censorship/a/burningbooks.htm)

http://www.ala.org/Images/OIF/bookburn_penn.jpg

“On Sunday evening, members of the Harvest Assembly of God Church in Penn Township sing songs
as they burn books, videos and CDs that they have judged offensive to their God.”

Published in the Butler Eagle, March 26, 2001. Courtesy of the Butler Eagle.
http://www.ala.org/Images/OIF/111601jesus1.jpg

“BOOK CUTTING: Doug Taylor of the Jesus Party destroys a copy of 'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone' Thursday evening in Kennedy Park. Counterprotesters decried the Christian group’s action.
—Gregory Rice/Sun Journal”

Published in the Sun Journal Online, November 16, 2001. Courtesy of the Sun Journal

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 04:10 PM
whoa exlaxtic still hasnt caught up

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 04:19 PM
Well, I proved my case that conservatives burn books too.


done.

violentkitten
01-27-2005, 04:20 PM
I did put up, or didn't you see the link? My challenge to you, Travis, is to find one instance where an organized liberal group got together to destroy, via burning or crushing or whatever, something they found offensive.

lest we forget the earth liberation front

face it there are whackos on both sides and if you think the whackos are only on one side, well, perhaps you are one too

travis2
01-27-2005, 04:43 PM
OK, Joe...both sides do it.

Mark, what you said was no better than saying "Catholics drink the blood of Jews" or "Jews want to rule the world" or some such tripe.

I've called you out before...you seem to think it's OK for you to be bigoted because you're a liberal. Well, it's not. Bigots are bigots, period. And right now, you're wearing the stripes of one.

Samurai Jane
01-27-2005, 04:51 PM
All these cases cited were situations involving small minorities on each side. There are always a few bad apples. Ex, we are not all like these groups. Next time, maybe you should pick up a thinner brush. ;)

JoeChalupa
01-27-2005, 06:08 PM
I concur.

Guru of Nothing
01-27-2005, 08:15 PM
I don't need no stinking books.

sbsquared
01-28-2005, 09:50 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong - but I think the difference here is that conservatives burn THEIR OWN books, dvd's and cd's. They don't go around taking them from other people or forcing others to follow suit. Also, they aren't out tearing down posters from public places just because they don't agree with them.

If I find something offensive, I have every right to dispose of it - even if it means getting together with a group of like-minded individuals and burning said items.

travis2
01-28-2005, 09:52 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong - but I think the difference here is that conservatives burn THEIR OWN books, dvd's and cd's. They don't go around taking them from other people or forcing others to follow suit. Also, they aren't out tearing down posters from public places just because they don't agree with them.

If I find something offensive, I have every right to dispose of it - even if it means getting together with a group of like-minded individuals and burning said items.

First paragraph...that's exactly the case. Nevertheless, I think anyone who burns books is vile.

Second paragraph...:wtf

exstatic
01-28-2005, 11:12 AM
Mark, what you said was no better than saying "Catholics drink the blood of Jews"
Well, actually, they do drink the blood of one particular Jew...

NeoConIV
01-28-2005, 11:19 AM
Well, actually, they do drink the blood of one particular Jew...
By His own command, of course.

mrblonde17
01-28-2005, 10:37 PM
I want to know what books have been banned (burned) by liberals. An example was given of students tearing down flyers and such; that's more of an isolated incident with little or no effect. Banning books is much different. What are these books?