Hilllary in the coffin, here's (another) huge nail

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Florida Voter's Lawsuit Dismissed

By Krissah Williams


A federal judge in Tampa has again tossed out a lawsuit filed by a Florida political consultant angry that his vote in the state's Democratic primary will not count. Victor DiMaio's lawsuit contended that the Democratic National Committee is discriminating against Florida voters. DiMaio argued that party leaders unfairly allowed Nevada and South Carolina to hold their presidential primaries prior to February 5, in part because of the sizable minority populations in both states, but punished Florida and Michigan for skirting the rules.


"How do you ignore the fourth largest state in the nation and millions of Florida voters who exercised their right to vote?" DiMaio said in a statement before the ruling.


Judge Richard A. Lazzara agreed with the DNC, which said that it its practices are not discriminatory and political parties have a constitutional right to determine how delegates are selected in their nominating process. The party has stripped Florida and Michigan of all their delegates for bucking party rules and holding their primaries early.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/28/florida_voters_lawsuit_dismiss.html?hpid=topnews

[RandomGuy]

:lol

Floridians are not a protected class under the equal rights act.

If I were a Democrat in either Florida or Michigan, I would be screaming for the head of the party official most responsible for moving the primary up contrary to party rules.

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and:

May 29, 2008
Democrats Are Advised to Seat Half of 2 States’ Delegations

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/katharine_q_seelye/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

Democratic Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/d/democratic_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org) lawyers have determined that no more than half the delegates from Florida and Michigan can be seated at the party’s August convention, dealing a blow to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s efforts to seat the full delegations from those states.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/us/politics/28cnd-politics.html?hp

[Nbadan]

Judge Richard A. Lazzara agreed with the DNC, which said that it its practices are not discriminatory and political parties have a constitutional right to determine how delegates are selected in their nominating process. The party has stripped Florida and Michigan of all their delegates for bucking party rules and holding their primaries early.

The Hillary camp is throwing up these feelers to see what sticks against the wall, this is obviously a setback, but I don't expect them to give up that easily. It's disgusting that they think they can litigate their way into the party nomination....

[JoeChalupa]

This sucks. Hillary just never saw this coming at all.

[Don Quixote]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

I thought Democrats were all about counting every vote, especially in Florida!

[JoeChalupa]

Not when they go against the rules.

[Nbadan]

First and foremost Democrats are about following rules....and Florida and Michigan party leaders knew that their delegates were in danger of not being fully seated if they moved their primary dates up to January, and they overwhelmingly did it anyway...not that it's an excuse, but Republicans only seated half the delegates who move their primaries up too...

[Nbadan]

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[Nbadan]

The Clinton campaign was forced to make a huge concession today that could draw this race to a close...


In today's conference call, the Clinton campaign conceded any rules-based or fairness-based argument for the full seating of the Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign declared that, unlike Iowa, NH and South Carolina, Florida and Michigan did indeed break the DNC rules and without justification. The Clinton campaign expressly disagreed with the Michigan Democratic Party's contention that the DNC had selectively enforced its rules by allowing New Hampshire and South Carolina to break the sanctioned primary schedule, that Florida was not entitled to a safe harbor or waiver, and that the DNC had acted properly and within the rules when it stripped Florida and Michigan of its delegates.


This concession means that the Clinton campaign accepts that since rules were broken by Michigan and Florida, there is likely to be a sanction or other consequence. Therefore, as BTD points out, the only remaining argument the Clinton campaign has is that we must ignore the rule breaking by Florida and Michigan because 1) these states are important in the general election and thus their delegates must be seated in full and 2) these states are important to me winning the nomination, and thus their delegations must be seated in full.

Link (http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/30/13333/0744)

[balli]

Doesn't have much to do with Florida or Michigan per se, but it's pretty damn funny.

B6Lstkiexhc

[Ignignokt]

Not when they go against the rules.


You mean like hanging chads in 2000 hypocrite.

[01.20.09]

You mean like hanging chads in 2000 hypocrite.

You mean hanging chad. Get it right.

[xrayzebra]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

I thought Democrats were all about counting every vote, especially in Florida!

Only if one of theirs loses to a Republican. Then count every-
thing, indentations, hanging chad, and your imagination.
Then if you still don't get elected go to court and if you lose
there just say the Republican was appointed by the courts
in an unfair election where all the votes were not counted.

[balli]

You guys are fucking morons. I don't see what all of Florida in 2000 has to do with the Florida Democrats in 2008 breaking their own rules, knowing full well in advance, the consequences of doing so. They are seperate and entirely different issues.

[Nbadan]

Doesn't have much to do with Florida or Michigan per se, but it's pretty damn funny.

B6Lstkiexhc

:lol

[Anti.Hero]

The Hillary camp is throwing up these feelers to see what sticks against the wall, this is obviously a setback, but I don't expect them to give up that easily. It's disgusting that they think they can litigate their way into the party nomination....

Just setting up for the series premier of Recount Season 2 on HBO.



It's disgusting? It's Hillary. What else would one expect... Those hitler videos never get old!

[Wild Cobra]

You guys are fucking morons. I don't see what all of Florida in 2000 has to do with the Florida Democrats in 2008 breaking their own rules, knowing full well in advance, the consequences of doing so. They are seperate and entirely different issues.

It shows the irrationality of democrats.

[JoeChalupa]

It shows the irrationality of democrats.

And the republican are? :lmao :lmao :lmao

[JoeChalupa]

Looks like Hillary will get the FL delgates seated at 50% so she can claim the popular vote lead. MI I'm not so sure yet.

[Wild Cobra]

Wouldn't it be great if Obama leads in pledged delegates, but Hillary steals the show? I can see her somehow convincing the party at the convention she should be the nominee.

I would love the turmoil and destruction of he demonrats that follow. Would the party ever recover?

[01.20.09]

I think by the end of next week she'll suspend her campaign.

[ChumpDumper]

Wouldn't it be great if Obama leads in pledged delegates, but Hillary steals the show? I can see her somehow convincing the party at the convention she should be the nominee.

I would love the turmoil and destruction of he demonrats that follow. Would the party ever recover?Winning in November will fix everything. I understand you are hoping against hope that the Democrats implode because it's the only way the Republican you aren't even going to vote for can win.

[starwolf]

yes the republicans have it in the bag due to democrates pre's

[Nbadan]

Hillary played by her own rules and still lost....

The Clintons Lost Control of the DNC: Hillary's Campaign is Over
by Mark Karlin
Editor and Publisher
June 2, 2008


Last year Harold Ickes (a chief Clinton strategist), a member of the DNC Rules and By-Laws Committee that met on Saturday, voted to take away the delegates and superdelegates from Florida and Michigan if they moved up their primaries, which they did.

A few years back, Terry McAuliffe -- Hillary Clinton's campaign manager this year -- was head of the DNC, appointed by Bill Clinton. At that time he read the riot act to Senator Carl Levin about his desire to move the Michigan Dem presidential primary up to challenge Iowa and New Hampshire. McAuliffe told Levin that if Michigan moved up its primary that they would lose their votes.

Fast forward and now Ickes and McAuliffe have taken positions 180 degrees opposite their former DNC positions. Now, they are saying that a great injustice was done to Senator Clinton on Saturday because the DNC adopted the compromise Florida and Michigan Democratic Party seating and voting plans for the two states. In short, the Democratic Party agreed with the states -- not with Hillary Clinton the candidate -- and resolved the contentious problem.

Although the resolutions on Florida and Michigan that occurred in a Washington Hotel room on Saturday -- unless Clinton decides to challenge the Democratic state parties of Florida and Michigan at the Credentials Committee in order to further ruin the presumptive nominee -- was somewhat eclipsed by the relatively meaningless Puerto Rico vote (residents of the island of Puerto Rico cannot vote in the general election; only Puerto Ricans living on the mainland can), the DNC Saturday meeting (there were two votes; with the Clinton campaign garnering only 8 of 30 committee members to support their electoral heist to strip Obama of the votes the state party deemed he was due in Michigan) was the final coup de grace for Clinton Inc. this year.

Yes, perhaps Senator Clinton's last stand with the likes of one demonstrator at the meeting who was escorted out, who claimed that if Obama got any votes in Michigan she would vote for McCain thus ensuring an overturn of Roe v. Wade, more pre-emptive war, and more tax cuts for the wealthy, wasn't fully understood by the mainstream press.

But this is what it meant in a nutshell: Clinton Inc. no longer can call the shots at the DNC, even in a committee that was headed by two former Bill Clinton administration officials, and a committee on which 13 of the 30 members were pledged Clinton delegates (Obama had 8 and the rest were undeclared at this time.)

It was the final blow to Clinton's presidential aspirations. The institutional vehicle for the legitimacy of Clinton Inc., the DNC, is now more interested in fairness and winning the November elections than the personal, mercurial professional aspirations of Senator Clinton and Bill Clinton.

What it comes down to is this. Delegates are the way an individual wins the Democratic nomination -- and there is virtually no way except for an act of God that Hillary Clinton can attain the requisite number to win (now there is a slightly higher threshold due to Saturday's decisions on Florida and Michigan).

So any continuation of the Clinton campaign after Obama obtains the new threshold delegate figure, which will happen probably by Thursday, if not earlier, will only serve to help McCain and hurt the prospects of the Democratic Party in November, from the presidential ticket down the line to senators, congressmen and congresswomen, governors, and state legislators.

There can only be one winner in a presidential nomination process.

No matter how much one candidate believes that the nomination belongs to him or her, there is a time to give up one's personal ambition for the good of the nation, for the good of the party, for the good of keeping Roe v. Wade the law of the land, for the good of economic justice, for the good of gender and minority equality, for the good of advancing a foreign policy based on international cooperation.

On Saturday, the race was over.

Clinton Inc. couldn't get away with changing the rules at the end of the game. Serious deliberation and fairness won out over entitlement at the DNC.

It was a courageous and just moment for the Democratic Party.

After the last two primaries are over on Tuesday, and after Obama meets the new threshold of delegates and becomes the presumptive nominee, if Clinton stays in the race it won't be about what's better for America or "choice" or economic justice; it will just be about the ego of Hillary Clinton and a desire to ruin the chances of the Democratic Party to win in November.

A lot of progressive principles are riding on her choice.

Perhaps she can finally find her true voice: ensuring the return of a just government to America by asserting her loyalty to the Democratic party, the progressive issues at stake for women, minorities, the poor, and the working class Americans in need.

To do this, she would have to douse the flame of her feelings of entitlement, her personal ambition, her battle cry of victimhood, and her feelings of hurt that her campaign was outsmarted by a junior senator from Illinois.

The choice is hers: what's best for the nation or what feels best for Hillary Clinton.

Buzzflash (http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/095)

[Wild Cobra]

Winning in November will fix everything. I understand you are hoping against hope that the Democrats implode because it's the only way the Republican you aren't even going to vote for can win.
Partially correct.

The republican party isn't what it used to be. As the democrats moved to the far left, the republicans moved left too. Conservatives are a dying breed in the two major paties. I'm hoping either the republicans and/or voting process weeds out the RINO's, or the libertarians and/or constitution party takes a substantial stake in the political process.

Fuck the demonrats

Fuck the RINOs.

I want somone with integrity and conservative values.

[JoeChalupa]

BARACK ON!!!! Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!111

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"Most of the seventeen Democratic senators who have remained uncommitted throughout the primaries will endorse Barack Obama for president this week, CNN has learned."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/02/sources-most-uncommitted-senators-to-endorse-obama/