Top 2008 Free Agents

[lefty]

Potential Top NBA Unrestricted Free Agents

Gilbert Arenas PG Washington Wizards ETO
Elton Brand PF Los Angeles Clippers ETO
Antawn Jamison PF Washington Wizards UFA
Shawn Marion SF Miami Heat ETO
Baron Davis PG Golden State Warriors ETO
Corey Maggette SF Los Angeles Clippers ETO
Allen Iverson SG Denver Nuggets ETO
Ron Artest SF Sacramento Kings ETO
Jermaine O'Neal PF/C Indiana Pacers ETO
Chris Duhon PG Chicago Bulls UFA
Bostjan Nachbar SF New Jersey Nets UFA
Jarvis Hayes SF Detroit Pistons UFA
Sam Cassell PG Boston Celtics UFA
Maurice Evans SG Orlando Magic UFA
Roger Mason PG Washington Wizards UFA

*ETO - Early Termination Option

Top Restricted that are HIGHLY unlikely to move anywhere

Josh Smith SF Atlanta Hawks RFA
Emeka Okafor PF Charlotte Bobcats RFA
Luol Deng SF Chicago Bulls RFA
Monta Ellis SG Golden State Warriors RFA
Andre Iguodala SF Philadelphia 76ers RFA
Jose Calderon PG Toronto Raptors RFA
Ben Gordon SG Chicago Bulls RFA
Daniel Gibson PG Cleveland Cavaliers RFA
Ronny Turiaf C Los Angeles Lakers RFA
Nenad Krstic PF/C New Jersey Nets RFA
Carlos Delfino SG Toronto Raptors RFA
Sebastian Telfair PG Timberwolves RFA
Stephon Marbury PG New York Knicks ETO

[florige]

Do we have any money?

[lefty]

Also :


The 2008 free-agent crop could be loaded. Here's how the list looks as of May 12.





Key: ETO = Early Termination Option; P = Player Option; T = Team Option; '07 QO's = BOLD



Atlanta Hawks



Restricted: Josh Childress, Jeremy Richardson, Josh Smith, Salim Stoudamire, Mario West



Unrestricted: None



Limited Salary Protection: None




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Boston Celtics


Restricted: Tony Allen



Unrestricted: P.J. Brown, Sam Cassell, Eddie House, Scot Pollard, James Posey (P)



Limited Salary Protection: Leon Powe



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Charlotte Bobcats


Restricted: Jermareo Davidson (T), Ryan Hollins, Emeka Okafor



Unrestricted: Derek Anderson, Earl Boykins, Othella Harrington (T)



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Chicago Bulls


Restricted: Luol Deng, Demetris Nichols, Ben Gordon



Unrestricted: Shannon Brown, Chris Duhon



Limited Salary Protection: JamesOn Curry


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Cleveland Cavaliers



Restricted: Daniel Gibson, Dwayne Jones, Delonte West



Unrestricted: Devin Brown



Limited Salary Protection: Lance Allred, Billy Thomas


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Dallas Mavericks



Restricted: Jose Juan Barea



Unrestricted: Malik Allen, Devean George, Eddie Jones (P), Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue, Jamaal Magloire, Antoine Wright



Limited Salary Protection: Brandon Bass


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Denver Nuggets

Restricted: Yakhouba Diawara, J.R. Smith



Unrestricted: Anthony Carter, Allen Iverson (ETO), Eduardo Najera



Limited Salary Protection: Bobby Jones, Taurean Green


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Detroit Pistons



Restricted: Alex Acker, Walter Herrmann



Unrestricted: Juan Dixon, Jarvis Hayes, Lindsey Hunter, Theo Ratliff



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Golden State Warriors
Restricted: Kelenna Azubuike (P), Andris Biedrins, Monta Ellis, C.J. Watson



Unrestricted: Matt Barnes, Austin Croshere, Baron Davis (ETO), Patrick O'Bryant, Mickael Pietrus



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Houston Rockets



Restricted: Carl Landry, Steve Novak (T)



Unrestricted: Dikembe Mutombo



Limited Salary Protection: Mike Harris, Loren Woods


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Indiana Pacers


Restricted: David Harrison, Andre Owens



Unrestricted: Flip Murray, Jermaine O'Neal (ETO), Kareem Rush

Limited Salary Protection: None


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Los Angeles Clippers
Restricted: Paul Davis, Nick Fazekas, Shaun Livingston, Marcus Williams



Unrestricted: Elton Brand (ETO), Dan Dickau, Corey Maggette (ETO), Smush Parker, Quinton Ross



Limited Salary Protection: Josh Powell


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Los Angeles Lakers



Restricted: DJ Mbenga, Ronny Turiaf, Sasha Vujacic



Unrestricted: Trevor Ariza (P), Chris Mihm (P), Ira Newble



Limited Salary Protection: Coby Karl


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Memphis Grizzlies



Restricted: Andre Brown, Juan Carlos Navarro



Unrestricted: Kwame Brown, Casey Jacobsen



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Miami Heat



Restricted: Blake Ahearn, Chris Quinn, Kasib Powell, Dorell Wright



Unrestricted: Earl Barron, Ricky Davis, Shawn Marion (ETO), Alonzo Mourning, Jason Williams



Limited Salary Protection: Joel Anthony, Alexander Johnson, Stephane Lasme


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Milwaukee Bucks



Restricted: Ersan Ilyasova, Awvee Storey (T)



Unrestricted: Royal Ivey, Michael Ruffin, Jake Voskuhl



Limited Salary Protection: Ramon Sessions


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Minnesota Timberwolves


Restricted: Ryan Gomes, Craig Smith, Chris Richard, Kirk Snyder, Sebastian Telfair



Unrestricted: Michael Doleac



Limited Salary Protection: None


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New Jersey Nets



Restricted: Nenad Krstic



Unrestricted: Darrell Armstrong, DeSagana Diop, Bostjan Nachbar, Stromile Swift (P)



Limited Salary Protection: Keith Van Horn


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New Orleans Hornets

Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Chris Andersen, Ryan Bowen, Melvin Ely (P), Jannero Pargo (P), Bonzi Wells



Limited Salary Protection: None


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New York Knicks



Restricted: Randolph Morris



Unrestricted: Fred Jones, Stephon Marbury (ETO)



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Orlando Magic


Restricted: James Augustine



Unrestricted: Carlos Arroyo, Keith Bogans (P), Keyon Dooling, Maurice Evans, Adonal Foyle (P), Pat Garrity



Limited Salary Protection: Marcin Gortat


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Philadelphia 76ers


Restricted: Louis Amundson, Herbert Hill, Andre Iguodala, Shavlik Randolph, Louis Williams



Unrestricted: Calvin Booth (P), Kevin Ollie



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Phoenix Suns


Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Gordan Giricek, Grant Hill (P), Linton Johnson, Sean Marks, Eric Piatkowski, Brian Skinner



Limited Salary Protection: D.J. Strawberry


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Portland Trail Blazers



Restricted: Von Wafer



Unrestricted: James Jones (P), Raef LaFrentz (ETO)



Limited Salary Protection: None




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Sacramento Kings


Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Ron Artest (ETO), Kenny Thomas (ETO), Beno Udrih, Anthony Johnson, Lorenzen Wright



Limited Salary Protection: None




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San Antonio Spurs


Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Brent Barry (P), Michael Finley, Robert Horry, DerMarr Johnson, Damon Stoudamire, Kurt Thomas, Jacque Vaughn (P)



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Seattle SuperSonics


Restricted: Mickael Gelabale, Robert Swift



Unrestricted: Ronald Dupree, Francisco Elson



Limited Salary Protection: Adrian Griffin


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Toronto Raptors



Restricted: Jose Calderon, Carlos Delfino



Unrestricted: Primoz Brezec, Rasho Nesterovic (P)



Limited Salary Protection: Jamario Moon


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Utah Jazz


Restricted: C.J. Miles, Paul Millsap (T)



Unrestricted: Jason Hart (P)



Limited Salary Protection: None


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Washington Wizards


Restricted: None



Unrestricted: Gilbert Arenas (ETO), Antawn Jamison, Roger Mason



Limited Salary Protection: None

[BlackSwordsMan]

We better duncan and ginobili took pay cuts to have money.

[lefty]

Do we have any money?

Let's all give 1$ to the Spurs :p:

[mrspurs]

problem is.....none of those guys wants to come and get yelled at by pop..and now there is no real reason to hop aboard, unless of course we somehow grab 2 of those allstar players...then maybe we can attract players who dont mind getting yelled at...pop has 2 more yrs of yelling at players....he will be missed, he will be not missed....go spurs go

[remingtonbo2001]

Jamison is my choice. He seems like a classy guy that would fit in Pop's system.

It's obvious he'd have to take a pay cut, but I think we could afford him.

[stxspurs]

wish list in no order....jones,oneal,pietrus,barnes,diop,jamison

[mathbzh]

I would like Gelabale on the bench for cheap. IMO he brings the same things Pietrus could bring (except for corner 3s), is smarter, cost less.

For the top FA I don't know who we could have with the money we have.

[Bruno]

I would like Gelabale on the bench for cheap. IMO he brings the same things Pietrus could bring (except for corner 3s), is smarter, cost less.


Agree except that he is recovering from a ACL injury. He will be out at least until December. I'm not sure he will be able to help a NBA team next year.

[Mr. Body]

Quentin Ross and it's an offseason. I'm calling it right now.

[Jayem]

iverson to spurs, how real could this be? nuggs thinking about getting rid of melo, so maybe iverson wants to go to a contender to get a ring. would he be a good fit here? hes definitely better than vaughn/stadamire

[Louae]

Matt Barnes (Golden State Warriors – 28 years old)
3 million – last year

DeSagana Diop (New Jersey Nets – 26 years old)
2.146 million – last year

Gorden Giricek (Phoenix Suns - 31 years old)
0.308 million – last year

Mickael Pietrus (Golden State - 26 years old)
3.470 million – last year.

[MannyIsGod]

Quentin Ross and it's an offseason. I'm calling it right now.

Spurs + Clippers wings = bad transaction.

[MannyIsGod]

iverson to spurs, how real could this be? nuggs thinking about getting rid of melo, so maybe iverson wants to go to a contender to get a ring. would he be a good fit here? hes definitely better than vaughn/stadamire

Iverson is going to want to get paid, IMO. I doubt he's looking to come off a bench.

[gtownspur]

Kwame Brown

Dikembe Mutombo

flip murray

Matt Barnes

Darius Washington.

realistically.

Low risk high reward because of the salary demands are low.

[bigdog]

Kwame Brown

Dikembe Mutombo

flip murray

Matt Barnes

Darius Washington.

realistically.

Low risk high reward because of the salary demands are low.

I hope you're not being serious with this list. The only guy I'd take a look at is Matt Barnes, and possibly Flip Murray, but DIKEMBE??? Dude is probably only playing one more year and is old as hell, we don't need that.

D-Wash would be good if he was ready. He proved in the D-League last year that he wasn't ready.

and KWAME?????? that's all I gotta say

[gtownspur]

kwame could guard odom.

let kwame play the three.

[bigdog]

Duhon, Delonte, Antoine Wright, J.Hayes, Pietrus, K.Rush, Delfino, Gomes, Diop, J.Jones, Mason Jr.(remember we tried to sign him last season). Those are the only guys I would take a look at.


and don't count out DerMarr Johnson. I think any of these guys could be had for a decent price, except for maybe Delonte after the way he played for Clevland in the playoffs.

The only reason I have Antonie Wright on the list is because he could possibly be a future Bowen replacement. He's a solid defender and is a hustle player.

[bigdog]

kwame could guard odom.

let kwame play the three.

Kwame MIGHT be able to guard Odom. I wouldn't play Kwame at the 3 though. I must admit, Kwame got much better this year when he was in LA than he ever was during the first years of his career as a bust. Who knows, maybe they'll take a look at him, but probably not. I don't see him as a guy guarding Odom, but more like guarding Bynum.

[LakerLanny]

Golden St would seem to have an overabundance of wing players.

Target one of those guys and you could improve on the wing immediately, I personally think Barnes is underrated and Azubuke (spelling?) is a player on the rise.

[T Park]

Theres quite a few options and directions the Spurs can go.

Just don't have the time or the will right now to do it :lol

[AA2120]

wish list..

roger mason
and
Jermaine O'Neal/Ron Artest/Elton Brand
any of those three..

[T Park]

WTF is with the love for Roger friggen Mason. Dude sucks.

[bigdog]

he's a solid player. undersized, but he makes shots.

[gtownspur]

kwame brown is athletic, can guard west, and brings in youth and he will be cheap. Bring in Diop, and Ronald flip murray, and you have what you need. You don't bust the bank and you can use the MLE on barnes.

[gtownspur]

plus, i think Brent Barry should be used by Pop as an offensive coordinator and a mentor for FLip Murray.

[lefty]

I wouuldn't say no to Etlton Brand and Devin Brown :hat

[ElNono]

You know we're not going over the luxury tax. So how much money we have if we get rid of Finley, Horry and Stoudemire?

[E20]

Matt Barnes
Azibuike
Maybe Jermaine O'neal

I think these have a realistic chance of working. Wasn't JO a strong target by the Spurs a couple of seasons ago? How's his health? I'm sure he'd want to get out of Indy, they're not going anywhere, he's not getting any younger.

Pipe dreamish:
Allen Iverson
Baron Davis (Although he is injury prone, but he's played two full seasons with out a major one)

[TDMVPDPOY]

Is antonio daniels still being used by the wiz, wouldnt mind him back .....

[stxspurs]

nah i was tired of seeing daniels at the atrium.....lol

[21_Blessings]

After the beatdown he put on Manu this series the Spurs will most likely pursue Sasha.

It makes since. Spurs need a younger shooter. They like their foreign floppers. And Sasha plays better perimeter defense than anyone off the Spurs bench.

[mrose31]

I hope we get Maggette and Najera.

[GSH]

One guy that could be gotten on the cheap, and might still make a decent bench player is Austin Croshere. A few years ago when Jermaine Oneal went down, he put up some good numbers for the Pacers. I haven't followed him much the last couple of years, but he was always a hustle guy, and seemed to have decent B-ball IQ. Not exactly part of a youth movement, though. Been there 10 years now.

[Mr. Body]

We need Elton Brand to go insane, opt out of his contract, sign for two years at the MLE. I don't even think you can sign two years at the MLE, so the rest of the league has to look the other way. Then we resign him for max in 2010.

*smacks dust off hands* Perfect.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Kelenna Azubuike. :tu

[roycrikside]

Back up the Brinks truck for Kelenna Azuibuike. He can shoot the 3, rebound, score inside, he's young, athletic as hell and he's even a foreigner. He'd be perfect for the Spurs. We could teach him how to play defense. We need to make this guy our starting SG next year to take Finley's place. I've watched him all year and he has all the tools.

[T Park]

One guy that could be gotten on the cheap, and might still make a decent bench player is Austin Croshere. A few years ago when Jermaine Oneal went down, he put up some good numbers for the Pacers. I haven't followed him much the last couple of years, but he was always a hustle guy, and seemed to have decent B-ball IQ. Not exactly part of a youth movement, though. Been there 10 years now.

Think a worse version of Matt Bonner.

Sorry but I disagree.

[mardigan]

I wonder how much money Biedrins will command? I love his game and he would be a perfect fit. I also wonder if the Bird Man would be worth looking at for really cheap.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I wonder how much money Biedrins will command? I love his game and he would be a perfect fit. I also wonder if the Bird Man would be worth looking at for really cheap.

I agree that Biedrins is badass, but I think Andersen's days are over.

[ColoradoSpursFan]

Azuibuke is a good piece -

Him and Udoka will be good replacements for Bowen.

[Srupsog]

This is what I wish the spurs do:

Let all these guys go:
Brent Barry, Michael Finley, Robert Horry, DerMarr Johnson, Damon Stoudamire, Kurt Thomas, Jacque Vaughn; the only guy the spurs maybe should keep is Brent Barry because he is such an unreal shooter, but that should be a big maybe.

If the spurs do this, they will have alot of cap room, so this is what they need:
1) A starting wing that can score
2) A big athletic Center
3) A versatile PF that can step out on the perimeter and hit shots
4) A relatively cheap athletic wing that can come off the bench that can play good defense and hit open shots
5) A relatively cheap backup PG that plays good defense and hits open shots

This is who I wish the spurs sign:
1) SF Ron Artest
2) C Jermaine Oneal
3) PF Antawn Jamison
4) G/F Mickael Pietrus
5) PG Ronald "Flip" Murray

This is why and how I think the spurs could get these guys:
1) Ron Artest- The spurs would probably have to pay Artest the most to get him out of all the rest of these guys, but its worth it, Artest would take Finley's starting spot and push bowen to the SG spot, this will also allow ginobili to come off the bench, which he does the best at.
2) Jermaine Oneal- The spurs can get Oneal because Oneal is tired of Indiana, and his career is almost past his prime so he's looking to win a championship before it gets too late so he would probably take a pay cut to win a championship; Oneal would take the starting Center spot and giving the spurs the big athlethic center that can rebound, block shots, and score, which the spurs lacked this season, this will help Tim Duncan alot Oneal can guard the main low post scorer of other teams and help on the weakside too.
3) Antawn Jamison- The spurs can get Jamison because Jamison is getting old and is probably looking to win a championship before his career is over, and he knows he will never win a championship in Washington so like Oneal he will probably take a paycut to win a championship; Jamison would fill Robert Horry's role as the versatile PF that can shoot outside, but he's younger and way better.
4) Mickael Pietrus- The spurs can get Pietrus because Pietrus is burried on Golden state's depth chart and is looking for stable playing time and san antonio is where he can get some; Pietrus could fill the Athletic wing need that the spurs lack so much this year, he could take Brent Barry's role, he's not as good a shooter, but he can play way better defense, take it to the hole, make open 3's, and he's way younger, Pietrus will definetly be a big contributor now and even more in the future.
5) Ronald "Flip" Murray- The spurs can get him simply because he's cheap and Murray likes to play for contenders; Murray will fill the backup PG spot of vaughn, he's a good shooter, plays good defense, and is athletic and big as a PG, he's way better than vaughn.

If the spurs do what I wish they do, this is what their their depth chart will look like:

PG:
Tony Parker
Ronald "Flip" Murray

SG:
Bruce Bowen
Manu Ginobili

SF:
Ron Artest
Mickael Pietrus
Ime Udoka

PF:
Tim Duncan
Antawn Jamison
Matt Bonner

C:
Jermaine Oneal
Fabricio Oberto
Ian Mahimii

The Spurs Rotation would be like this:

Starters:
PG- Tony Parker
SG- Bruce Bowen
SF- Ron Artest
PF- Tim Duncan
C- Jermaine Oneal

Bench-
PG flip Murray
SG Manu Ginobili
G/F Mickael Pietrus
PF Antawn Jamison
C Fabricio Oberto
Imagine how unstoppable the spurs would be with this rotation.

If the spurs do what I wish they do the spurs will be the champs for the next 2-3 years, no one could come close to them, they would have the athleticism, versatility, offensive firepower, defensive intensity, youth/veteran, and bench, they will be a no contest for the championship. So I hope what I wish for comes true, it will be the best for the spurs and spurs fans everywhere.

[Mr. Body]

You spent a lot of time on a crazy post.

[SPARKY]

The Spurs don't have $30 mil in cap room.

[Leetonidas]

Out of the list of UFA or people with ETOs, I think the following could be had by the Spurs:

Jamison
Maggette
Artest
O'Neal
Duhon
Cassel
Evans

If the Spurs could pick up a big man (O'Neal, Jamison, Artest) and maybe a PG (Duhon), I think they'll be good for next year. Or, they can go out and try to get a SF and draft a PG or vice versa.

There's a lot of good free agents out there. I'm not familiar with the Spurs' financial situation though.

[Leetonidas]

This is what I wish the spurs do:

Let all these guys go:
Brent Barry, Michael Finley, Robert Horry, DerMarr Johnson, Damon Stoudamire, Kurt Thomas, Jacque Vaughn; the only guy the spurs maybe should keep is Brent Barry because he is such an unreal shooter, but that should be a big maybe.

If the spurs do this, they will have alot of cap room, so this is what they need:
1) A starting wing that can score
2) A big athletic Center
3) A versatile PF that can step out on the perimeter and hit shots
4) A relatively cheap athletic wing that can come off the bench that can play good defense and hit open shots
5) A relatively cheap backup PG that plays good defense and hits open shots

This is who I wish the spurs sign:
1) SF Ron Artest
2) C Jermaine Oneal
3) PF Antawn Jamison
4) G/F Mickael Pietrus
5) PG Ronald "Flip" Murray

This is why and how I think the spurs could get these guys:
1) Ron Artest- The spurs would probably have to pay Artest the most to get him out of all the rest of these guys, but its worth it, Artest would take Finley's starting spot and push bowen to the SG spot, this will also allow ginobili to come off the bench, which he does the best at.
2) Jermaine Oneal- The spurs can get Oneal because Oneal is tired of Indiana, and his career is almost past his prime so he's looking to win a championship before it gets too late so he would probably take a pay cut to win a championship; Oneal would take the starting Center spot and giving the spurs the big athlethic center that can rebound, block shots, and score, which the spurs lacked this season, this will help Tim Duncan alot Oneal can guard the main low post scorer of other teams and help on the weakside too.
3) Antawn Jamison- The spurs can get Jamison because Jamison is getting old and is probably looking to win a championship before his career is over, and he knows he will never win a championship in Washington so like Oneal he will probably take a paycut to win a championship; Jamison would fill Robert Horry's role as the versatile PF that can shoot outside, but he's younger and way better.
4) Mickael Pietrus- The spurs can get Pietrus because Pietrus is burried on Golden state's depth chart and is looking for stable playing time and san antonio is where he can get some; Pietrus could fill the Athletic wing need that the spurs lack so much this year, he could take Brent Barry's role, he's not as good a shooter, but he can play way better defense, take it to the hole, make open 3's, and he's way younger, Pietrus will definetly be a big contributor now and even more in the future.
5) Ronald "Flip" Murray- The spurs can get him simply because he's cheap and Murray likes to play for contenders; Murray will fill the backup PG spot of vaughn, he's a good shooter, plays good defense, and is athletic and big as a PG, he's way better than vaughn.

If the spurs do what I wish they do, this is what their their depth chart will look like:

PG:
Tony Parker
Ronald "Flip" Murray

SG:
Bruce Bowen
Manu Ginobili

SF:
Ron Artest
Mickael Pietrus
Ime Udoka

PF:
Tim Duncan
Antawn Jamison
Matt Bonner

C:
Jermaine Oneal
Fabricio Oberto
Ian Mahimii

The Spurs Rotation would be like this:

Starters:
PG- Tony Parker
SG- Bruce Bowen
SF- Ron Artest
PF- Tim Duncan
C- Jermaine Oneal

Bench-
PG flip Murray
SG Manu Ginobili
G/F Mickael Pietrus
PF Antawn Jamison
C Fabricio Oberto
Imagine how unstoppable the spurs would be with this rotation.

If the spurs do what I wish they do the spurs will be the champs for the next 2-3 years, no one could come close to them, they would have the athleticism, versatility, offensive firepower, defensive intensity, youth/veteran, and bench, they will be a no contest for the championship. So I hope what I wish for comes true, it will be the best for the spurs and spurs fans everywhere.

Uh, the Spurs don't have enough money to get O'Neal, Artest, AND Jamison, let alone even two of them. If we are VERY LUCKY, we might be able to pull O'Neal (he would've signed here had he known Isiah was going to be fired) or Artest (because he respects the Spurs and likes Timmy).

Pietrus was a guy I forgot about though. I think the Spurs need to take a look at that guy.

Don't forget about that Spanoulis guy or whatever the fuck his name was.

[Mr. Body]

Top of the line FAs, other than Artest, are out of reach. Most second tier FAs like Maggette are out of reach, since they won't opt out of their contracts. Guys like Pietrus may possibly be available.

[SilverSpur]

I would like to see Allen Iverson and Antwan Jamison in silver and black.

[mardigan]

Top of the line FAs, other than Artest, are out of reach. Most second tier FAs like Maggette are out of reach, since they won't opt out of their contracts. Guys like Pietrus may possibly be available.

How much do you think a guy like Biedrins will cost?

[ElNono]

Jermaine O'Neal is a soft pussy bitch, and 'Flip' Murray is a me-first, locker room cancer guy. Please stay away from those.

[Mr. Body]

How much do you think a guy like Biedrins will cost?

Are the Warriors selling? If they are I'd think other teams would bid him up higher than the Spurs can go.

[exstatic]

Kelenna Azubuike. :tu

Think in these terms, people. We're not signing a "name" FA armed only with two exceptions and minimum salary slots.

[SPARKY]

I like Barnes due to his hustle and energy, but he's not so much a scorer as a slasher and shooter. But in the Spurs' price range he makes a lot of sense.

[PDXSpursFan]

1) Jamison or Artest (in that order)
2) Kwame Brown
3) Flip Murray

[Leetonidas]

Jermaine O'Neal is a soft pussy bitch, and 'Flip' Murray is a me-first, locker room cancer guy. Please stay away from those.

Jermaine O'Neal, while he may be soft, is better than anyone we are gonna pick up that can play C any time soon. If he can be had, definitely do it.

[Duncan2177]

Iverson is going to want to get paid, IMO. I doubt he's looking to come off a bench.

They can start Iverson and Manu can come off the bench, Anything is possible.

[Lake_show]

The Spurs didn't make the trade to keep up.

[thekingrobert]

give me Turiaf and Walter Herman

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Think in these terms, people. We're not signing a "name" FA armed only with two exceptions and minimum salary slots.

Holy crap an exstatic sighting! :clap

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Out of the list of UFA or people with ETOs, I think the following could be had by the Spurs:

Jamison
Maggette
Artest
O'Neal
Duhon
Cassel
Evans

If the Spurs could pick up a big man (O'Neal, Jamison, Artest) and maybe a PG (Duhon), I think they'll be good for next year. Or, they can go out and try to get a SF and draft a PG or vice versa.

There's a lot of good free agents out there. I'm not familiar with the Spurs' financial situation though.
The only one I find interesting there is Jamison. And as for the point guard, I'd rather find one through the draft.

[greens]

I like Daniel Gibson and Monta Ellis. Both are young players and are really solid.

[milkyway21]

Brand
J.O'Neal
K.Brown-he's young
Diop

and J.Oneal already said he'd play for Pop. He likes Pop.

[greens]

Brand
J.O'Neal
K.Brown-he's young
Diop

and J.Oneal already said he'd play for Pop. He likes Pop.

How old is Diop, though? I think the Spurs might need to go for younger players for a change. I think one of their issues this year has been fatigue.

[TheProfessor]

I think Ramunas Siskauskas makes a lot of sense. He's an intelligent player who could learn the system quickly, and has many of the traits you look for in a Spurs' wing player - good three-point stroke, great passing ability, solid defender. He's a versatile player that could contribute in several areas. And with CSKA Moscow winning the Euroleague, he should be able to opt out of his contract to play in the states. It's a risk, but I don't know if you'll find a better wing option on this market for a comparable price.

[lefty]

Brand

Jermaine : fantastic baller, but injury prone

Artest: great in both end of the courts, but he's a bit crazy; however, he is a big Duncan fan, so....he could be dedicated

Barnes : he has balls, and will attack the rim at will

Pietrus : super athlete

[greens]

Brand

Jermaine : fantastic baller, but injury prone

Artest: great in both end of the courts, but he's a bit crazy; however, he is a big Duncan fan, so....he could be dedicated

Barnes : he has balls, and will attack the rim at will

Pietrus : super athlete



I really like Barnes. Pietrus, however, not a very smart player from what I have seen. Artest is a bit crazy.

[lefty]

I really like Barnes. Pietrus, however, not a very smart player from what I have seen. Artest is a bit crazy.

Maybe Pop can learn Pietrus 2 or 3 things to help him develop; remember he didn't get enough playing time with Nelson

Artest, yeah, not sure

[GSH]

For years, the one player I wished could play alongside Duncan is Marcus Camby. And when I think about the next couple of years of Duncan's career, there aren't many players that would support him better in the middle. Especially not ones that are remotely attainable.

He's tough. He's a very good defender. He rebounds like a madman - which we need. He puts points on the board, including second chance points - which we need. He's a good passer, and an exceptional shot blocker. And he runs the floor very well for a big man.

With Duncan, Camby, Bruce, Tony, (a healthy) Manu, and Ime, we would have a really solid core. Throw in some young shooters, and it would be a pretty damned good team.

His contract for the next couple of years is about what we paid Kurt Thomas, and Denver has salary cap problems. Think they would give him up for Matt Bonner plus a really pimped out X-Box 360? We could throw in the rights to Splitter, and get George Karl a cameo spot on Desperate Housewives. And couldn't we use Spanoulis the same way the Lakers use Aaron McKie to balance things out?

It's not happening, is it? Sigh.


I really like Barnes. Pietrus, however, not a very smart player from what I have seen. Artest is a bit crazy.

Sorry, just saw that comment. Artest crazy? I think the term is "crazy as a shithouse rat". I never really knew what that meant, but it seems to apply.

I used to think Artest was crazy like Dennis Rodman, and there are some similarities. But I've started thinking of Artest the same way I feel about John Daly, the golfer. I feel sorry for him, and I really wish he could get his shit together. It's not going to happen, but for his sake I wish it would. I think he really wants to not be as crazy as a shithouse rat.

[exstatic]

Holy crap an exstatic sighting! :clap

Uh, I've been posting here all through the playoffs as PlayoffExstatic. :lol Nice to know I was missed, though.

My choices would be:

Kelenna Azuibuke
James Jones
Kwame

I think any of them could be had for part of the MCE or the LLE, which we may actually use this year since we'll be quite a bit under the tax.

As far as trades, maybe Portland could be talked into sending Channing Frye (he's 25) our way. The have Aldridge and Pryzbilla , and Oden will be returning. Maybe they'll take Boner and the rights to The Shithead playing in Spain to use as an eventual Pryz replacement. It works, moneywise.

[lefty]

For years, the one player I wished could play alongside Duncan is Marcus Camby. And when I think about the next couple of years of Duncan's career, there aren't many players that would support him better in the middle. Especially not ones that are remotely attainable.

He's tough. He's a very good defender. He rebounds like a madman - which we need. He puts points on the board, including second chance points - which we need. He's a good passer, and an exceptional shot blocker. And he runs the floor very well for a big man.

With Duncan, Camby, Bruce, Tony, (a healthy) Manu, and Ime, we would have a really solid core. Throw in some young shooters, and it would be a pretty damned good team.

His contract for the next couple of years is about what we paid Kurt Thomas, and Denver has salary cap problems. Think they would give him up for Matt Bonner plus a really pimped out X-Box 360? We could throw in the rights to Splitter, and get George Karl a cameo spot on Desperate Housewives. And couldn't we use Spanoulis the same way the Lakers use Aaron McKie to balance things out?

It's not happening, is it? Sigh.

:tu

[lefty]

Fuck Kwame and his non-existent work ethic

[exstatic]

Fuck Kwame and his non-existent work ethic

Kwame for cheap might actually be motivated. Almost everyone grows up eventually. He might also want to get back at the Lakers for sending him to NBA hell. He's still just 26, a veritable child by Spurs standards. :lol

[Spur-Addict]

kwame could guard odom.

let kwame play the three.

I would never put Kwame on my team.

:wakeup

[lefty]

Kwame for cheap might actually be motivated. Almost everyone grows up eventually. He might also want to get back at the Lakers for sending him to NBA hell.

Ok, now that's interesting :D

[SequSpur]

after reading you all's stupid takes, I just realized not only did I waste my fucking time, but most of you as well.

Fuck, some of you act like the cap is 150 mill... :lmao

[lefty]

after reading you all's stupid takes, I just realized not only did I waste my fucking time, but most of you as well.

Fuck, some of you act like the cap is 150 mill... :lmao

:lol

[exstatic]

Yeah, anyone that thinks the Spurs are going to sign a "big name"... be prepared for disappointment in a major way. They'll turn over 4 or maybe 5 roster spots for affordable FAs that, while younger, will not be huge names.

[SequSpur]

Yeah, anyone that thinks the Spurs are going to sign a "big name"... be prepared for disappointment in a major way. They'll turn over 4 or maybe 5 roster spots for affordable FAs that, while younger, will not be huge names.

Thanks NASA.

[lefty]

Yeah, anyone that thinks the Spurs are going to sign a "big name"... be prepared for disappointment in a major way. They'll turn over 4 or maybe 5 roster spots for affordable FAs that, while younger, will not be huge names.

We just need younger, hungry role players (look at Celtics, Pistons, Lakers)

[angelbelow]

brand anyone?

[exstatic]

We just need younger, hungry role players (look at Celtics, Pistons, Lakers)

Exactly.

[exstatic]

Thanks NASA.

You're welcome, half pint.:p:

[TDMVPDPOY]

matt barnes
driop
childress
devin brown

thats the order i look at

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Elton Brand if the SPurs had the money or trades somehow without losing any of the big 3s

[exstatic]

Brand isn't coming. I think I can pretty much gift wrap and deliver that one.

[pawe]

Allen Iverson should come here for less money if he still wants to have a championship ring.

[GSH]

Allen Iverson should come here for less money if he still wants to have a championship ring.

I like Iverson, in spite of myself. He may be the toughest player in the league, pound-for-pound. And he puts up a lot of points.

Getting him here isn't remotely realistic. But the thougt if him playing keep-away from Tim and Tony is comical. Not a way to win a ring, but funny as hell. Everybody on both teams would be trying to get the ball away from him, while he runs through their legs like a damn chihuahua.

[Tyler_Durden]

Its like clothes shopping at Sears...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The answer to our scoring droughts and a starting two guard/small ball SF is in my sig.

[Avitus1]

If only RC didn't have his head up his ass.

[GSH]

The answer to our scoring droughts and a starting two guard/small ball SF is in my sig.

We're gonna have to take a number to talk to his agent.

Buike was a free agent callup from the D-League. Surely he's not the only diamond in the rough out there. Seems like our specialty has been sending players to the D-League, not calling them up. Pop's going to have to be ready to put up with some of the mistakes that come with less-experienced players.

I remember the energy we used to get from guys like Malik, Derek Anderson, and Devin Brown. And I miss it. When Bonner first showed up, he always seemed to charge things up when he came into a game. Yeah he made mistakes, but he brought energy and got the hustle stats.

I think Pop beats the life out of those people. Some respond to it differently, but a lot of them get totally stiff from worrying about not being perfect. At least that's the way it looks.

[ChumpDumper]

They're totally stiff because they became fossilized.

[kobyz]

how about chris duhon as a backup PG?

[angelbelow]

duhon isnt bad, i see us being able to lock him down for a 3 year 3 mil dollar contract. but tahts if hes interested as many teams will approach him.

[mystargtr34]

Anyone hoping to sign Jermaine O'Neal can forget about it. He has an ETO on his contract for which he is being paid nearly $20 million in his final year. If he opts out he gets $7-8 mil max. He's not going to throw away $12 million. He will wait out this one year from the Pacers, or more likely ask for a trade and then sign a new contract at the end of next season.

But if i was RC, i would be on the phone right now to Larry Bird and try and work something out while his value is so low. Despite his injury problems and drop in production, the potential value for the Spurs could be awesome. He's probably the one guy in the league who protects the rim better than Tim Duncan, and having another post threat would be great.

I really think we should look at him.

I think we can pretty much forget Elton Brand, we cant afford him.

Jamison i think will be out of our price range also but i would prefer a defensive minded guy who can guard the quicker big men like West Stoudemire and co.

Kelenna Azubuike would be really nice though.

[Joe Schmoogins]

I would love to see Artest and Duhon... However, the chances of landing Artest are incredibly slim, so I'd be happy with a golden state wing instead... preferably Azubuike. I think Duhon would be an awesome upgrade at backup point.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Uh, I've been posting here all through the playoffs as PlayoffExstatic. :lol Nice to know I was missed, though.

:lol I didn't know that was you, I thought it was someone impersonating you.

[hsxvvd]

We just need younger, hungry role players (look at Celtics, Pistons, Lakers)

Mostly all of them drafted after we've picked.

Big Baby & Turiaf come to mind.

We really need to start to look at drafting talent that can contribute immediately, I can't say it enough... we have not added anything close to contributing via the draft in 6 years.

Only Beno and Mahinmi.... :wow

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

how about chris duhon as a backup PG?

Why would you want a guy with a worse work ethic than Beno?

No thanks.

[RickV]

Only one I want for sure is Pietrus. If your worried about his basketball "smarts", Pop can teach almost anyone. You can't teach athletic ability which he has in massive amounts. Anyone else is certainly debatable. Spurs would be VERY lucky to get 2 of those names. Certainly NOT 3.

[remingtonbo2001]

Jamison i think will be out of our price range also but i would prefer a defensive minded guy who can guard the quicker big men like West Stoudemire and co.

While I think Jamison's price might be a little steep, it's still within the realm of possibilities.

His price shouldn't be too unreasonable. He also appears to be a player that values teammates and winning, two of the Spurs strong suits.

[xmas1997]

V Spanoulis would certainly help.
And we somehow need to convince Tiago to come next year.

[AFBlue]

Spurs have $5M to play with, so let's be realistic. That means no....

Elton Brand
Jermaine O'Neal
Allen Iverson
Antawn Jamison
Luol Deng
Josh Smith
Baron Davis
Corey Maggette
Shawn Marion
Andre Iguadola
Ron Artest
Gilbert Arenas

There are also a couple restricted FAs that a $5M would most likely be matched for....namely JR Smith and Josh Childress.

Just trying to keep it real...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

JR Smith or Kelenna Azubuike, please.

[JP le Requin]

we need a good C and some young atletics wing players cause ime and bowen are going down...

[K-State Spur]

JR Smith is too much of a chucker (and I don't think that will change no matter who is coach is). He may be young and athletic, but I could see him having negative value wherever he goes.

He's basically a slightly better version of Ricky Davis.

[manufor3]

lets go for maurice evans

[Galileo]

Spurs have $5M to play with, so let's be realistic. That means no....

Elton Brand
Jermaine O'Neal
Allen Iverson
Antawn Jamison
Luol Deng
Josh Smith
Baron Davis
Corey Maggette
Shawn Marion
Andre Iguadola
Ron Artest
Gilbert Arenas

There are also a couple restricted FAs that a $5M would most likely be matched for....namely JR Smith and Josh Childress.

Just trying to keep it real...

Is that $5 million without releasing or trading any players?

Because we could work a trade to get one of those players.

A lot of players would die to play along side Tim Duncan and get a ring. Just one good player on that list makes us easily the best team in the NBA.

[Buddy Holly]

Spurs have $5M to play with, so let's be realistic. That means no....

Elton Brand
Jermaine O'Neal
Allen Iverson
Antawn Jamison
Luol Deng
Josh Smith
Baron Davis
Corey Maggette
Shawn Marion
Andre Iguadola
Ron Artest
Gilbert Arenas

There are also a couple restricted FAs that a $5M would most likely be matched for....namely JR Smith and Josh Childress.

Just trying to keep it real...

You never know, one of those players could sign a one year deal with a potential long term deal next summer. If that's possible.

[Buddy Holly]

lets go for maurice evans

Wouldn't be bad. He lives in San Antonio so it could be an easy sell, though I wouldn't pay him 5 million.

[xmas1997]

Granted, the Spurs didn't have any interest in Artest last year, but situations change.
My feelings are that Artest may be what both need to get back to the level they all want to be in. (Never thought I would consider that.)

[Buddy Holly]

Spurs almost traded for Artest a couple months back.

[xmas1997]

Spurs almost traded for Artest a couple months back.

There are conflicting reports about that, with the consinsus being what R.C. said, namely that Artests' name never came up.

[kaji157]

I cannot imagine HOW the spurs could get Artest.

[LLK0517]

Yeah, anyone that thinks the Spurs are going to sign a "big name"... be prepared for disappointment in a major way. They'll turn over 4 or maybe 5 roster spots for affordable FAs that, while younger, will not be huge names.

yeah, i'll probably agree with you here........ i did hear someone say something about drafting joey dorsey from memphis on the espn boards, i think this would make sense, he's a strong big body, and can contribute off the bench early and give a spark like malik rose used to.........

i'm anxious to see what this team does in the off season i just hope i'm not disappointed:depressed

[ata]

Spurs have $5M to play with, so let's be realistic. That means no....

.....
Just trying to keep it real...

What do you mean with $5M?
According to hoopshype we are spending $53.6M next year (including $1.25M on Vaughn) - Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Mahinmi and Barry.
Luxury tax may be expected at $72M, so we should have almost $19M ro spend.

[Holt's Cat]

What do you mean with $5M?
According to hoopshype we are spending $53.6M next year (including $1.25M on Vaughn) - Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Mahinmi and Barry.
Luxury tax may be expected at $72M, so we should have almost $19M ro spend.

The cap doesn't work like that.

[tav1]

What do you mean with $5M?
According to hoopshype we are spending $53.6M next year (including $1.25M on Vaughn) - Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Mahinmi and Barry.
Luxury tax may be expected at $72M, so we should have almost $19M ro spend.

Your confused about how the cap works.

[Buddy Holly]

Question, is this 5 million the MLE or is it what we do have under the cap?

[Spurs da champs]

J.R Smith would be good cause of his jump shooting mainly those threes also Josh Childress is a hustler I saw that in hawks/celtics series that guy jumped over KG and Perkins for those rebounds he'd be a good addition also.

[alamoman]

alamo man playing r.c.buford
"we know our long term future will be tied into who we can aquire in summer of 2010.so let's build for the short term now this summer and find players that allow us to match up better with los angeles and the hornets [scoring wing,defending big] to make as good a run we can the next two years. so no trading of ginobili or parker will even be considered. also we need to bring back barry and kurt thomas for their specific skills. and when july 1 comes we will plan to visit and offer the following with back up plans if they don't sign with us:
wing target m.pietrus (i am willing to give him most or all of the mle and 5 years. he'll be a good piece for the long term future too and this price will be a bargain once he adjusts to the 'spur way']

option 2: maurice evans
will consider: jarvis hayes and antoine wright [high draft pick bust so far that could explode in our system]

big man target:kwame brown [if he doesn't change his spots he'll be cheap and easy to cut.but oh at his best he can contribute big time here:thinking 12and 8 a game]

[I]option 2:d.diop [wanting him to defend for us as he did against us]
will consider: adonal foyle and cris mihms

our draft pick will be the best combination of defense,shooting, passing point guard available-with shooting a premium-mario chalmers is our hope"

the planned depth chart wins or gets closer in 2009 and 2010 before we really rebuild

bowen/udoka/barry
duncan/mahimi
brown/oberto/thomas
parker/chalmers/vaughn
pietrus/ginobili
thank you

[AFBlue]

Is that $5 million without releasing or trading any players?

Because we could work a trade to get one of those players.

A lot of players would die to play along side Tim Duncan and get a ring. Just one good player on that list makes us easily the best team in the NBA.

Well, releasing players wouldn't give the Spurs anymore room, but you're right about a trade.

Here's the problem with that....

The Spurs have no really desireable players outside the big 3 and unlike this year, they have no significant expiring deals that could net a potential contributor.

All the Spurs really have to play with are Bonner's relatively cheap contract ($3M) and Splitter's rights if he doesn't come over....neither of which are attractive at this point.

It would be unrealistic to expect the Spurs to pull off a trade that would net any of the players I mentioned above.

[Buddy Holly]

alamo man playing r.c.buford
"we know our long term future will be tied into who we can aquire in summer of 2010.so let's build for the short term now this summer and find players that allow us to match up better with los angeles and the hornets [scoring wing,defending big] to make as good a run we can the next two years. so no trading of ginobili or parker will even be considered. also we need to bring back barry and kurt thomas for their specific skills. and when july 1 comes we will plan to visit and offer the following with back up plans if they don't sign with us:
wing target m.pietrus (i am willing to give him most or all of the mle and 5 years. he'll be a good piece for the long term future too and this price will be a bargain once he adjusts to the 'spur way']

option 2: maurice evans
will consider: jarvis hayes and antoine wright [high draft pick bust so far that could explode in our system]

big man target:kwame brown [if he doesn't change his spots he'll be cheap and easy to cut.but oh at his best he can contribute big time here:thinking 12and 8 a game]

[I]option 2:d.diop [wanting him to defend for us as he did against us]
will consider: adonal foyle and cris mihms

our draft pick will be the best combination of defense,shooting, passing point guard available-with shooting a premium-mario chalmers is our hope"

the planned depth chart wins or gets closer in 2009 and 2010 before we really rebuild

bowen/udoka/barry
duncan/mahimi
brown/oberto/thomas
parker/chalmers/vaughn
pietrus/ginobili
thank you

STOP playing RC immediately.

[AFBlue]

You never know, one of those players could sign a one year deal with a potential long term deal next summer. If that's possible.

Possible, but it's really grasping at straws....

First, most of the players on that list aren't outright free agents. That means they would have to make a conscious decision to test the market, presumably to get more money. Guys like Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand simply aren't likely to give up millions of dollars while they're still in their relative primes....that's only been done once in recent history and he (Karl Malone) was at the tail end of his career.

Second, there are enough suitors that have more than the MLE to throw at the guys like Antawn Jamison that are legit unrestricted free agents.

Bottom Line: While it would be great to get one of these guys for dirt cheap, I'd give it less than 1% chance of actually happening.

[Holt's Cat]

Spurs need to draft for next year, not 3 years from now. That means whoever they take with picks #26 and 45 should be guys available to play next year. As far as what positions they draft for, obviously the perimeter takes precedence. A scorer and a long athlete would be who I'd like to see them draft. Then use your MLE to go after a backup point like Pargo. They also need to bring Sanikidze in for the summerleagues and if he looks like he has any promise, sign him and let him at least spend a season in Austin.

If they aren't able to sign Splitter, then bring in Javtokas. Not the greatest solution, but I think he's a NBA player and could turn into a useful reserve. More of a stop gap fill than anything.

If they take an international talent, they better know that he's coming over.

[Thompson]

Short of some huge name opting out and joining the Spurs (Elton Brand), my ideal offseason for the Spurs would include convincing Splitter to come over, along with Spanoulis (if he's anywhere near as good as some claim), adding Azubuike in free agency and getting a good draft pick (Brandon Rush or someone).

Along with the assumption that Mahinmi turns out to be good enough to join the team next year, that's 5 new players and a lot of young blood.

That said I'm dreading the draft, waiting to see who we pick "to develop in Europe for a few years."

[Buddy Holly]

Possible, but it's really grasping at straws....

First, most of the players on that list aren't outright free agents. That means they would have to make a conscious decision to test the market, presumably to get more money. Guys like Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand simply aren't likely to give up millions of dollars while they're still in their relative primes....that's only been done once in recent history and he (Karl Malone) was at the tail end of his career.

Second, there are enough suitors that have more than the MLE to throw at the guys like Antawn Jamison that are legit unrestricted free agents.

Bottom Line: While it would be great to get one of these guys for dirt cheap, I'd give it less than 1% chance of actually happening.

I don't think it's grasping for straws. I think I was just presenting a situation that is quite possible.

Although, I wasn't thinking about O'Neal or Elton. Those guys will get their value.

I'm speaking more about players like Luol Deng or Shawn Marion maybe even Artest.

[Holt's Cat]

I think Pargo and JR Smith should be at the top of the Spurs' free agent list. If not those two, I would think the Spurs could land Matt Barnes, who I'd be happy with. A guy like Herrmann would be worth taking a shot on with the LLE.

Between the draft and free agency the Spurs should address the backup 1, find a scoring 2/3 and some kind of long 3 man.

As far as potential 2nd round gems go, I think Othello Hunter could be one. If the Spurs were able to land JR Smith and Mahinmi made it into the rotation, their athleticism, scoring, and length just improved. Moreso if they are able to finesse Splitter into signing too.

[Holt's Cat]

DerMarr Johnson fits the profile of what I think the Spurs should be looking for in the summer. He should get one year for the minimum or at least a training camp invite.

[Biggems]

Good-bye
F/C Kurt Thomas
F Robert Horry
G Michael Finley
PG Jacques Vaughn
PG Damon Stoudamire

Hello
C DeSagana Diop
G/F James Jones
PG Chris Duhon or Roger Mason

[AFBlue]

I don't think it's grasping for straws. I think I was just presenting a situation that is quite possible.

Although, I wasn't thinking about O'Neal or Elton. Those guys will get their value.

I'm speaking more about players like Luol Deng or Shawn Marion maybe even Artest.

Deng, Marion, and Artest are also in the prime of their careers. The only one I see opting out is Artest and that's to get more money, not less.

I would say it's nowhere near "quite possible", but I guess you and I will just have to disagree on that point.

[Buddy Holly]

I'd be fine with JR Smith and Pargo but what about someone like Juan Carlos Navarro instead of Pargo?

[Buddy Holly]

Good-bye
F/C Kurt Thomas
F Robert Horry
G Michael Finley
PG Jacques Vaughn
PG Damon Stoudamire

Hello
C DeSagana Diop
G/F James Jones
PG Chris Duhon or Roger Mason

James Jones? Duhon?

Come on now...

Also, with Ian and potentially Tiago, there's no need to sign a big man like Diop.

[Buddy Holly]

Deng, Marion, and Artest are also in the prime of their careers. The only one I see opting out is Artest and that's to get more money, not less.

I would say it's nowhere near "quite possible", but I guess you and I will just have to disagree on that point.

It all depends on how much they want to win and their general attitudes to it.

Signing a one year deal for 5 million with the agreement for a larger deal after doesn't sound like it's the most awful idea ever. Again, it all depends on the player.

[Penya]

I'd be fine with JR Smith and Pargo but what about someone like Juan Carlos Navarro instead of Pargo?

Navarro is a nice scorer, but his defense... Defense?

[Holt's Cat]

I'm not sure I'd want the centerpiece of the Spurs' offseason to be him. Pargo or Smith would be very solid.

[AFBlue]

Good-bye
F/C Kurt Thomas
F Robert Horry
G Michael Finley
PG Jacques Vaughn
PG Damon Stoudamire

Hello
C DeSagana Diop
G/F James Jones
PG Chris Duhon or Roger Mason

Good sentiment, but there's not enough money to get all three.

Jones is coming off a career year and I think he's primed to get someone's full MLE...but that's just a gut feel (think Jason Kapono).

I think one of the other two could be had and I like the idea of Diop. You know exactly what you're getting with him (defense and rebounding), and after he went to NJ he pretty much fell off the map. He could be a good, low-dollar pickup for the Spurs. This assumes that Splitter has decided to stay in Europe.

[AFBlue]

Again, it all depends on the player.

In that case...two of the three players you mentioned (Artest & Marion)are "me first" type players that have each been bounced from a team because they were chemistry concerns and wanted to be a featured player.

The other (Deng), has been on a rookie scale to this point and will be looking for a BIG pay raise. He and Josh Smith should be getting somewhere in the neighborhood of $8-10M per year from their respective teams this summer.

[Biggems]

James Jones? Duhon?

Come on now...

Also, with Ian and potentially Tiago, there's no need to sign a big man like Diop.

Apparently you dont pay attention. Tiago just signed a two year contract with Tau....he wont be coming over.

Yes I want James Jones. He has nice size. He can shoot from anywhere on the court. He also played for Nate McMillan, which means he had to play some defense. He is a much better option than Pietras (too inconsistent), Matt Barnes (too much of a hot head), JR Smith (too immature), and Childress (range is too limited). We need offense and Jones would give us that.

We need an energy Big, unfortunately the only option is Najera, but I hate that guy. Diop gives us size and the ability to frustrate on defense. He is not an offensive threat by any means.....but we will have Duncan, Mahimni, and Bonner for that.

Duhon would make a very nice backup to Tony. Skiles preached defense, and Duhon played it for a few years. Duhon also has nice range. He is a streaky shooter, but just give him some time with Chip and he should be fine.

I am not sure we have the money to get all three.....but if we did, that would a very nice offseason IMO. Personally, I would just be happy with Jones and Diop....cause we have Brent Barry as our backup PG.


As for the Draft.....I want Brandon Rush the most at 26, but he wont be there. In fact, he may not even make it past PHX at 15. I want Joe Alexander also, but he wont make it past GS at 14. I also see Jason Thompson not making it to 26. So with that being said, I would like to trade out of the 1st and get two 2nds to go along with the two 2nds we already have.

2 - Dorsey/Hardin
2 - Ibaka
2 - Gordon
2 - Leunen

C - Mahimni, Diop, Bonner
PF - Duncan, Oberto, Dorsey/Hardin
SF - Bowen, Udoka, Ibaka
SG - Manu, Jones, Leunen
PG - Parker, Barry, Gordon

[Biggems]

Good sentiment, but there's not enough money to get all three.

Jones is coming off a career year and I think he's primed to get someone's full MLE...but that's just a gut feel (think Jason Kapono).

I think one of the other two could be had and I like the idea of Diop. You know exactly what you're getting with him (defense and rebounding), and after he went to NJ he pretty much fell off the map. He could be a good, low-dollar pickup for the Spurs. This assumes that Splitter has decided to stay in Europe.


Yeah I like Diop. Offensively, he is a waste of space....but defensively, he would give us a rock next to Duncan that we haven't had since Robinson....

I agree, we won't have the money to get all 3 players. However, I am hoping with the MLE, we can get Jones...and with the LLE, we can get Diop.

That would give us these 11 players.....not counting the draft:

Duncan
Oberto
Bonner
Diop
Mahimni
Bowen
Udoka
Manu
Jones
Parker
Barry

We still keep our core group, but at the same time with Jones, Diop, and Mahimni.....we get younger and more athletic.....Jones and Diop have NBA experience, even playoff experience. Mahimni has very little NBA experience, but he does a year in the NBDL learning the Spurs system. That helps out a lot.

[SenorSpur]

DerMarr Johnson fits the profile of what I think the Spurs should be looking for in the summer. He should get one year for the minimum or at least a training camp invite.

Amen brother!

[AFBlue]

Yeah I like Diop. Offensively, he is a waste of space....but defensively, he would give us a rock next to Duncan that we haven't had since Robinson....

I agree, we won't have the money to get all 3 players. However, I am hoping with the MLE, we can get Jones...and with the LLE, we can get Diop.

That would give us these 11 players.....not counting the draft:

Duncan
Oberto
Bonner
Diop
Mahimni
Bowen
Udoka
Manu
Jones
Parker
Barry

We still keep our core group, but at the same time with Jones, Diop, and Mahimni.....we get younger and more athletic.....Jones and Diop have NBA experience, even playoff experience. Mahimni has very little NBA experience, but he does a year in the NBDL learning the Spurs system. That helps out a lot.

Not a bad plan, but FWIW...Jacque Vaughn is signed through next year. So that'd be the set team of 12, without counting draftees.

Although, the Spurs could still conceivably go international with their draft pick(s).

[Biggems]

damn we are stuck with Vaughn.....

[ChumpDumper]

DerMarr Johnson fits the profile of what I think the Spurs should be looking for in the summer. He should get one year for the minimum or at least a training camp invite.True. I'm a little surprised no one mentioned him. Maybe offering him a spot in summer league would give them a good chance to see how committed he is.

[AFBlue]

damn we are stuck with Vaughn.....

Just for one more year, which gives the Spurs enough time to sign and develop a suitable replacement. And if Pop wants to go with Barry behind Tony, I've got no problem with that....make Jacque the defensive energy guy.

[K-State Spur]

damn we are stuck with Vaughn.....

i'm not a big Vaughn fan - but a) he wouldn't be difficult to move if we really wanted to and b) there are worse safety nets to have as a third PG if we choose to go with youth at the back-up.

pop gave beno every chance to win the back-up job this year and he went with manu as the back-up PG for long stretches this year, so I don't think there is need to worry that he automatically hands the second string to Vaughn by nature of his being on the roster.

[Joe Schmoogins]

This is what I'd love to see happen....

Somehow manage to snag Tiago from Europe... hoping that he hasn't signed already.
bring in V-Span as our back up point... if he can't be had I'd like to see Duhon as a spur.
Sign either Azubuike... or Barnes if available in that order.
Draft a long 3.

[Mr. Body]

This is what I'd love to see happen....

Somehow manage to snag Tiago from Europe... hoping that he hasn't signed already.
bring in V-Span as our back up point... if he can't be had I'd like to see Duhon as a spur.
Sign either Azubuike... or Barnes if available in that order.
Draft a long 3.

I'd be surprised if a single one of those things happens.

[AFBlue]

I'd be surprised if a single one of those things happens.

Body in a bad, albeit funny, mood tonight. What's up man?

FWIW, I'd seriously doubt if any one of those things happened either.

[Mr. Body]

I dunno. Suddenly even more pissy than usual.

[AA2120]

I like kurt..i think he'll stay for another season..

Anybody else miss Stephen Jackson??

[lefty]

I like kurt..i think he'll stay for another season..

Anybody else miss Stephen Jackson??

+1

and

+1

[misterx91578]

Ryan Gomes anyone?

[angelbelow]

lets justbuy out vaughn. his contract is like 1 milllion.

[bigdog]

I've seen on a few websites that Vaughn has a player option, so he could opt out this Summer.

With that being said, I think Thomas will stay another year, and we will give Mahinmi a chance.

I've always said DerMarr Johnson would be a good fit, and I'm confident the Spurs will invite him to summer league and possibly training camp to prove he belongs here.

Duhon should be available for relatively cheap. He's young, has good range, and can be a pretty solid defensive player. Should Vaughn opt out or we buy him out, we can get Duhon, and draft another PG. we have 2 second rounders, so one can be on a PG, while we use the first rounder on a wing player.

and for those who want V-Span (Spanoulis) as a Spurs, you must remember that he didn't want to be in the NBA anymore, much less the Spurs, so that's why we didn't keep him when we got him in the Scola trade. He went back home to be with family, and I don't get why people think he would want to come over now.

Our offseason shouldn't be too crazy, and too many people are freaking out. If our FO know's what's good for the team, they'll let Horry walk, let Finley walk, and replace them with Mahinmi and DerMarr (or a FA like Pietrus or Azibuke). Damon will be gone, so we bring in Duhon, and that's already a pretty different lineup from this season, and a better lineup. No need for huge changes.

[mystargtr34]

I think its going to take more than DerMarr Johnson... hes a shooter, more so than a scorer. I think JR Smith fits the bill, i would be happy with Azunuike.

I agree Horry and Fin must go.

[bigdog]

Of course it would take more than Johnson. We can sign Johnson for the minimum, and then use part of the MLE or the full MLE for a Pietrus or Azibuke type player.

Yeah, JR Smith might fit the bill, but his attitude is a problem, and since he went to Denver, he's turned into the kind of guy I wouldn't want on a Spurs team.

[Mr. Body]

I'd by far want JR Smith over DerMarr Johnson, and I'm no big fan of Smith. Johnson hasn't the attitude or skill set to be an NBA player (this, as a former #5 pick), while Smith at least has one tremendous skill plus athleticism.

[K-State Spur]

Yeah, JR Smith might fit the bill, but his attitude is a problem, and since he went to Denver, he's turned into the kind of guy I wouldn't want on a Spurs team.

The plus side there is that Pop tends to be brutally honest with any potential imports. So - if he were to sign with the Spurs - that would indicative that he knows what he is getting in to and welcomes it, which would be a plus for him from an attitude/character standpoint.

[Srupsog]

If anyone is a real spurs fan, than you will not want the spurs to sign Kwame brown, he is so terrible nobody wants him on their team. He doesn't work hard and he's stupid, he can't learn anything. He has tools physical tools, but has no heart at all, that's why every team he's on want to get rid of him.

[FilSpursFan]

Kwame Brown

Dikembe Mutombo

flip murray

Matt Barnes

Darius Washington.

realistically.

Low risk high reward because of the salary demands are low.

No Kwame pls!!!!

:nope:nope

[Darthkiller]

KT needs to stay imo, you dont want him to go to any other teams. Finley can stay if he can take a pay cut. Try get artest or jamison if possible.

[SPARKY]

You keep Thomas. There are plenty of teams in the league for which he is very useful when playing against. Shaq is still in the West. Especially now with Splitter apparently not coming over.

[A.H 21-50]

You keep Thomas. There are plenty of teams in the league for which he is very useful when playing against. Shaq is still in the West. Especially now with Splitter apparently not coming over.

K-T will be there next year i'm sure

[Bito Corleone]

problem is.....none of those guys wants to come and get yelled at by pop..and now there is no real reason to hop aboard, unless of course we somehow grab 2 of those allstar players...then maybe we can attract players who dont mind getting yelled at...pop has 2 more yrs of yelling at players....he will be missed, he will be not missed....go spurs go

How come every point you make has to do with your opinion that players "don't want to be yelled at" ??? Sure it's not like the players are asking to be yelled at, but if your under the impression that this only happens on the Spurs you are a moron. The fact is that what makes the Spurs different is that Pop yells at Tim, Tony, and Gino the same as he yells at the team's worst player. If anything this would attract players that are not currently the 1st or 2nd best player on their team b/c I'm sure it gets irritating to watch the better players get preferential treatment based on performance.

[Axl Van Dam]

:wakeup The FO should proritize these 3:

1. Emeka Okafor
2. Antwan Jamison
3. Elton Brand

Also let's bring back Darius Washington to be TP's chief backup. Finley, Horry, Vaughn & Bonner must go. We need to get fresh legs for next season. :wakeup

[mountainballer]

:wakeup The FO should proritize these 3:

1. Emeka Okafor
2. Antwan Jamison
3. Elton Brand


yeah. I priorize
1. Scarlett Johansson
2. Charlize Theron
3. Salma Hayek

but other than you I do hope to not wake up

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Bigs:
Bring in Mahinmi and Splitter. No Splitter, Diop. If you get rid of Bonner, how about Ryan Bowen for cheap?

Duncan/Thomas/Mahinmi/Diop/Bonner-Bowen would be very versatile and maybe allow Mahinmi to develop as a scorer while Diop took on a more defensive role.

Swings:
One of Azubiuke/Delfino/James Jones plus Mo Evans.

Evans is underrated - nice midrange game, tries hard, solid professional veteran player. I think he could be great here giving rest to Manu while the younger guy adjusts to the system.

Manu/Azu/Bowen/Udoka/Evans/Barry would be a very versatile swing rotation, and 5 solid swingmen would allow Barry to play some backup point.

As for DeMarr, forget it. Guy is extremely slow laterally and a total matador on D.

[Ocotillo]

DeMarr Johnson likely blew his chance. He was arrested for DUI here is SA this weekend.

[mountainballer]

Bigs:
Bring in Mahinmi and Splitter. No Splitter, Diop. If you get rid of Bonner, how about Ryan Bowen for cheap?

Duncan/Thomas/Mahinmi/Diop/Bonner-Bowen would be very versatile and maybe allow Mahinmi to develop as a scorer while Diop took on a more defensive role.

Swings:
One of Azubiuke/Delfino/James Jones plus Mo Evans.

Evans is underrated - nice midrange game, tries hard, solid professional veteran player. I think he could be great here giving rest to Manu while the younger guy adjusts to the system.

Manu/Azu/Bowen/Udoka/Evans/Barry would be a very versatile swing rotation, and 5 solid swingmen would allow Barry to play some backup point.

As for DeMarr, forget it. Guy is extremely slow laterally and a total matador on D.

agree that Evans is a quite helpful role player. point is, that he would deliver pretty much the same what Ime does. Magic like him a lot and will resign him, so getting him would take an overpriced offer. (like 3years/10 million I guess). and in this case I go with Ime for a much lower price.
(btw. Spurs were interested in him in 2005, like they also were interested in JJones that summer, but then signed Finley)

agree about Azubuike, Jones and Delfino as nice and realistic additions.
Delfino is interesting, because the Raptors will need to trow a ton of money at Calderon (what they will do), so they might not match a decent offer for Delfino. I also like the idea, because out of this 3 Delfino has the most talent on offense IMO and Spurs need scoring.
I always liked the idea of getting Jones, but this will take the whole MLE (Blazers do like him and will offer a nice contract) and he can't create his own shot. so he will not fill the most urgent need.

some people will go crazy, when I mention this name, but I'm serious: Ricky Davis.
considering what we lack, he isn't a bad answer. and he's somehow reformed. he stated some weeks ago, that he will seek a MLE contract. make him the prime scorer of the 2nd unit (Manu back in the S5) and we won't see that many 3rd quarter backfalls and also won't have the problem that he becomes ineffective as the 4th option. I'm well aware about all the red flags about Davis. just looking at his qualities, which are exactly what we need right now.

[hater]

WTF is with the love for Roger friggen Mason. Dude sucks.

Roger Mason is a solid backup PG. He would be a huge upgrade over Vaughn.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Davis may be worth a gamble, but how he and Pop would interact is the big question-mark there. If he has had an epiphany, maybe it would work. Otherwise, it would be a disaster... he'll need to play team defense, remember! :lol

With Evans, I was only thinking 5mil over 2 years or something like that, but if the Magic like him they will certainly offer more than that. He is more offensive than Udoka and could be a 10-12pt scorer IMHO.

Delfino intrigues the hell out of me - he has real potential as a scorer, is only 26, and the idea of he, Manu and Fab playing together sounds great.

James jones is a shooter more than a scorer, you are right, so he may not be the best fit.

[mountainballer]

Davis may be worth a gamble, but how he and Pop would interact is the big question-mark there. If he has had an epiphany, maybe it would work. Otherwise, it would be a disaster... he'll need to play team defense, remember! :lol

With Evans, I was only thinking 5mil over 2 years or something like that, but if the Magic like him they will certainly offer more than that. He is more offensive than Udoka and could be a 10-12pt scorer IMHO.

Delfino intrigues the hell out of me - he has real potential as a scorer, is only 26, and the idea of he, Manu and Fab playing together sounds great.

James jones is a shooter more than a scorer, you are right, so he may not be the best fit.

no, don't get me wrong. JJones would be a perfect fit IMO, but not the one who can solve our scoring problems. in a perfect world we find a way to add either Delfino/Davis AND JJones. Jones can play very good defense (totally underrated in this department), especially when guarding tweener forwards. I can't remebmer him guarding Dirk, but he might be able to do a good job on him, considering Dirk struggled most against smaller but quicker defenders (Posey, Barnes)
same with Odom/Radmanovic, AK47, Marion etc.
he might also be able to guard West, considering his ridiculous wingspan.

I remember Delfino quite well from Europe. he has many flaws, most of them in the area of team play and intangibles, but he really can get hot in the Manu style.
I was thinking about how to get one via S&T and the other with the MLE, assuming that MLE won't deliver both players. don't have an answer, we just don't have the assets for S&Ts.
(only chance could be, that a player, who the other team fell in love with, drops to the #26 pick and we can use this as the teaser. I would give the pick for Delfino)

[Rummpd]

JO or Brand or bust. Time for a big move.

[bigdog]

Ricky Davis might work, but again it all comes down to which guys would be able to work with Pop. If Davis could be had for a low price, then I'm all for it, but it's likely he would demand a bit more money than the Spurs could offer.

[K-State Spur]

some people will go crazy, when I mention this name, but I'm serious: Ricky Davis.
considering what we lack, he isn't a bad answer. and he's somehow reformed. he stated some weeks ago, that he will seek a MLE contract. make him the prime scorer of the 2nd unit (Manu back in the S5) and we won't see that many 3rd quarter backfalls and also won't have the problem that he becomes ineffective as the 4th option. I'm well aware about all the red flags about Davis. just looking at his qualities, which are exactly what we need right now.

yeah, count me as one of the people who would go crazy. the guy has never met a shot he didn't like and never met a coach that could convince him otherwise.

[xtremesteven33]

JO makes way too much money, and is highly overrated. As soon as he got his fat contract, he stopped working hard. Brand on the other hand would be the perfect fit for the Spurs. Hes a Spurs type player. He will give you that 20/10, good defense, good shot blocker, and has great character. I saw someone mentioning Duhon... Im hoping he is on the Lakers list. Duhon is a very nice combo guard that can score, play defense, and can come fairly cheap.

If the Spurs can land those two players, use their draft picks wisely, and let go of Horry, Finley, Damon, Bonner, they would be right back at the top next year.


:toast

[stxspurs]

i see fin and bonner gone....but horry might want another year....i would hate to see the spurs pay him to sit the bench and expect him to perform at crucial times....maybe a couple of years ago but not now....i hope he retires and comes back to help the coaching staff or something