Jordan Quotes

[DazedAndConfused]

Can you imagine any NBA player today saying half of these things and not getting crucified?

"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his [expletive] into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box

"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

"Give me the [expletive] ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."

"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue

"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"

"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his [Swearing is not permitted at **********. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)

[atxrocker]

best player of all fucking time. so what if he was a dick. fuck off.

[atxrocker]

"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box



:lmaox100 fucking classic

[Spur-Addict]

Stop attempting to justify what Kobe does. They aren't comparable. Jordan is the best ever, where Kobe is trying to be Mike. Big difference, they compare Kobe to Mike where Mike is Mike. Tell Kobe to get his own walk, his own swagger, his own tone of speaking, his own playing style....He**, he even cheats on his wife like Mike does (or did) etc. -- Swagger Jackin' a** Kobe, F- outta here

[balli]

Last time I checked it was LeBron who decided to wear #23, not Kobe.

Kobe's not trying to be like Mike, he's trying to be better... and he has enough talent that he might accomplish just that.

[Spur-Addict]

Last time I checked it was LeBron who decided to wear #23, not Kobe.

Kobe's not trying to be like Mike, he's trying to be better... and he has enough talent that he might accomplish just that.

Really? Well he won't be. Kobes a fronter as well. When asked about the number change, he gave some garbo excuse about some Italian player, when we all know he thinks he's better than mike. He never will be. Mike never had a post player, Mike was the Post. LBJ doesn't play like Mike, talk like him, walk like him etc. Only thing LJB has that even resembles Mike is his number. So keep sucking off Kobe you lame.

[DazedAndConfused]

To be the best you have to learn from the best. No doubt Kobe absorbed as much as he could from Mike's game, but he has been able to expand upon that and diversify his offensive skills in a way that Jordan never did.

I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy that exists when people act like Kobe is some sort of whiny bitch primadonna. So was Jordan. In fact he was worse.

[Spur-Addict]

To be the best you have to learn from the best. No doubt Kobe absorbed as much as he could from Mike's game, but he has been able to expand upon that and diversify his offensive skills in a way that Jordan never did.

I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy that exists when people act like Kobe is some sort of whiny bitch primadonna. So was Jordan. In fact he was worse.

Why are we bringing up Jordan when it comes to Kobe??????????
There is no ground for it. Period. No matter how much you people want to live through another jordan encounter, it isn't happening.

:lmao

[balli]

Really? Well he won't be. Kobes a fronter as well. When asked about the number change, he gave some garbo excuse about some Italian player, when we all know he thinks he's better than mike. He never will be. Mike never had a post player, Mike was the Post. LBJ doesn't play like Mike, talk like him, walk like him etc. Only thing LJB has that even resembles Mike is his number. So keep sucking off Kobe you lame.


Quit sucking off Kobe, he says? Bro, I live in fucking Utah and I could really give two shits about Kobe from any other viewpoint than a basketball one. While I provide an impartial analysis as an NBA fan, you seem to really hate the guy. In any event, my position doesn't make me a "lame".

Seriously are you ripping Kobe because he walks like Mike. Do you honestly think Kobe has tried to mimick Mike to the point that he tries walk the same way. Give me a fucking break moron.

And as far as them playing a similar style- I'm sure Kobe is really in control of the fact that he has the same athletic body style as MJ. And I know Kobe would have normally been shaped like LeBron, but he wanted to be like Mike so bad that he magically had his body transformed to match. God, and as long as he is athletic and can score from anywhere, he shouldn't because, well y'know, that's a lot like what MJ did. Maybe Kobe should just tone it down and try to become more one-dimensional, then idiots like you wouldn't be able to critique him for daring to play like MJ.

Mike never had a post player, Mike was the Post.
So, in other words, Kobe doesn't play exactly like Mike or have the same pieces areound him?

It's funny you lambast Kobe for playing similarly to MJ, but the you blast him again for not playing enough like Mike. Your stupid postion needs some refining I think.

[Spur-Addict]

When it comes to Jordan, Kobe is a cheap Cologne knock off that can only get the job done with a fresh pair of kicks and the best chewing gum. Want to know why? Jordan made up in every area the team couldn't. No post? Well i'll just move most of my game to the post. Mike had no post ally, he just had wing players, and most weren't great. Mike did mostly everything and still won six rings. Where Kobe couldn't beat the Suns two years in a row. He also lost one of those series up 3-1. Mike is the man and no knock off should be mentioned.

[DazedAndConfused]

When it comes to Jordan, Kobe is a cheap Cologne knock off that can only get the job done with a fresh pair of kicks and the best chewing gum. Want to know why? Jordan made up in every area the team couldn't. No post? Well i'll just move most of my game to the post. Mike had no post ally, he just had wing players, and most weren't great. Mike did mostly everything and still won six rings. Where Kobe couldn't beat the Suns two years in a row. He also lost one of those series up 3-1. Mike is the man and no knock off should be mentioned.

You are an idiot not worth arguing with. I understand you hate Kobe because of what he just did to the Spurs, it is clearly clouding your judgment.

[Spur-Addict]

[QUOTE=ballijuana;2569253] Maybe Kobe should just tone it down and try to become more one-dimensional, then idiots like you wouldn't be able to critique him for daring to play like MJ.

QUOTE]

All i want is each player to have their own identity, but some are too busy trying to be something they aren't.

[Spur-Addict]

You are an idiot not worth arguing with. I understand you hate Kobe because of what he just did to the Spurs, it is clearly clouding your judgment.

Do you really believe that Kobe is in the same realm as Mike?....

I think you really think that. I don't hate Kobe, I just dislike the fact that you people really think he's something that he isn't.

[balli]

Why are we bringing up Jordan when it comes to Kobe??????????
There is no ground for it. Period.


Uhhhhhhhh......... I'm pretty sure you were the first one to type the word Kobe in this thread. And I'm pretty sure that's why we're bringing up Jordan when it comes to Kobe; because you yourself brought up Kobe when it comes to Jordan. Dumbass.

[balli]

Alll i want is each player to have their own identity, but some are too busy trying to be something they aren't.

Kobe is something that he isn't. Maybe you think he should be playing PF.

[Spur-Addict]

Uhhhhhhhh......... I'm pretty sure you were the first one to type the word Kobe in this thread. And I'm pretty sure that's why we're bringing up Jordan when it comes to Kobe; because you yourself brought up Kobe when it comes to Jordan. Dumbass.

I brought him up b/c I can read the pea brains of Laker fans and their absurd propaganda.

[Spur-Addict]

Kobe is something that he isn't. Maybe you think he should be playing PF.

Kobe is something that mike isn't? Is that what you are saying? Plz elaborate

[balli]

Do you really believe that Kobe is in the same realm as Mike?....

I think you really think that. I don't hate Kobe, I just dislike the fact that you people really think he's something that he isn't.

You do hate Kobe. We don't think he's something he isn't. Nobody said he's better than MJ.

Y'know what. Fuck you man. You're an idiot and a Spurs homer who probably hasn't ever watched an NBA game that didn't feature the Spurs. You make no sense and you offer nothing in terms of unbiased analysis. I'm not even a Kobe fan, in fact, I don't like him much at all personality wise. I do however watch a huge amount of NBA ball and to be honest, I'm not going to spend time arguing about Kobe with someone like you, who obviously doesn't. You are dead fucking wrong. Fuck off. Have a shitty afternoon.

[Spur-Addict]

You do hate Kobe. We don't think he's something he isn't. Nobody said he's better than MJ.

Y'know what. Fuck you man. You're an idiot and a Spurs homer who probably hasn't ever watched an NBA game that didn't feature the Spurs. You make no sense and you offer nothing in terms of unbiased analysis. I'm not even a Kobe fan, in fact, I don't like him much at all personality wise. I do however watch a huge amount of NBA ball and to be honest, I'm not going to spend time arguing about Kobe with someone like you, who obviously doesn't. You are dead fucking wrong. Fuck off. Have a shitty afternoon.

Hahaha...Man Kobe is the best player in the league right now. I never said he wasn't, but in regards to Mike, nah man go watch some film or somethin'. I play collegiate basketball and i've played ball for more then half of my life. I'll be coaching soon as well. The only issue I have is when ppl attempt to bring him up with Mike. The purpose of this thread was not to bash mike, it was subliminal. I thought it was very obvious, but not as obvious to some as I thought. Good day sir.

[balli]

I play collegiate basketball and i've played ball for more then half of my life. I'll be coaching soon as well.

Fine. But I still think you're wrong. Kobe's game is what it is and I highly doubt that he plays the way he does so he can be more like MJ. He plays the way he does because he's able to and because doing so is to play in the most effective kind of a way that an NBA SG can play.

In any event, we're at loggerheads and I really do have Cubs game to watch. I'm sorry I told you to have a shitty afternoon. Enjoy your time, but maybe devote some of it to thinking this Kobe issue through a little bit more.

[Spur-Addict]

I agree with the efficiency and best way to play part. Of course mike made the blueprint. The original wasn't there until Mike. But, it's the external aspects of his game and demeanor that is disturbing. Of course he plays great b/c he's capable, it's just his Mannerism's and way of conducting himself that's an attempt at being jordan-esk in my opinion. Just an opinion. I don't think his game is next to Jordans. If Mj is an A+ then kobe is an A-. Also, just an opinion. (Six rings, no bigs, possibly more w/o early retirement)

[Purple & Gold]

Spur-Addict sounds like a complete douche.

[Spur-Addict]

Spur-Addict sounds like a complete douche.

Way to make a good contribution to the thread.

[Dim Tuncan]

6 rings, no bigs (because Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman were such slouches :rolleyes), no zone defense, and the best perimeter defender to ever play the game in Scottie Pippen.

Jordan's legacy is untouchable. Kobe can get there but there's a 99% chance he doesn't. To be fair, the game is so much different today that comparisons make good for drunken discussions at bars and little else.

[J.T.]

Michael Jordan:

14-time NBA All-Star
6 NBA championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 League MVPs
100s of arrogant comments
0 rape accusations

[Spur-Addict]

6 rings, no bigs (because Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman were such slouches :rolleyes), no zone defense, and the best perimeter defender to ever play the game in Scottie Pippen.

Jordan's legacy is untouchable. Kobe can get there but there's a 99% chance he doesn't. To be fair, the game is so much different today that comparisons make good for drunken discussions at bars and little else.

Yeah, Horace and Rodman are up their with Shaq and Gasol. :lmao

[Lakers_55]

Kobe had an interview just aired, it must be on you tube by now. He says he doesn't want to be compared with MJ. He wants people to judge him as he plays, for his ability. All he is trying to do is be the best player he can be and no comparison is wanted. It is, however, done by the media and the fans. I could give a crap who is better and by how much. Kobe is playing now, and winning games for my favorite team in sports. He'll be done someday, just as MJ already is, but I am going to enjoy KB24 while he's around.

[balli]

0 rape accusations

You raped a girl. There, now you've been accused of rape too. Luckily for you and Kobe both accusation isn't equivalent to guilt.

[Avitus1]

Jordan was great on and off the court those comments are Tysonesque. Well maybe not. Still the best and no one is ever going to touch that.

[Biggems]

wow all this time i had my facts wrong about the oakley trade....i could have sworn i had read where MJ wanted oakley gone....instead he seems to have wanted to keep Oakley.

MJ is a complete asshole. He is a womanizing, gambling, cheating, control freak of a jerk. However, he is the biggest name in the history of the NBA. He sold out more arenas than any other player. He sold more shoes and merchandise than any other player. I have never been a fan of his.....even in college, since I hate UNC....but I must give him credit for being one of the greatest basketball players ever. He beat Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Payton & Kemp, Stockton and Malone in the Finals....

[Biggems]

Yeah, Horace and Rodman are up their with Shaq and Gasol. :lmao

Rodman is one of the greatest defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He is also one of the greatest rebounders ever, as well.

In college he was scoring machine, go look up his stats. However, in the NBA, he found his niche and perfected his craft. He was a specialist and was dominant at what he did.

Rodman would put Gasol on complete lockdown. I would take Rodman over Pau anyday of the week.

[adidas11]

MJ wanted oakley gone....instead he seems to have wanted to keep Oakley.

Actually, MJ wanted Oakley to stay, and he was pissed when they traded Oakley for Cartwright.

[Biggems]

Actually, MJ wanted Oakley to stay, and he was pissed when they traded Oakley for Cartwright.

thats what i just said.....

[Spur-Addict]

Rodman is one of the greatest defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He is also one of the greatest rebounders ever, as well.

In college he was scoring machine, go look up his stats. However, in the NBA, he found his niche and perfected his craft. He was a specialist and was dominant at what he did.

Rodman would put Gasol on complete lockdown. I would take Rodman over Pau anyday of the week.

I compared the tandoms more so than the individuals. Pau isn't a poor defender, but in regards to building a team, i'd choose Pau. He can do more and he isn't a offensive liability. Scoring in the NBA and scoring in college (not D1 for Rod) is totally different. Pau is a B grade Big man. Hard to come across those. He brings more to the table overall. He can just about fit anywhere, whereas Rodman is more effective in systems where he doesn't have to score more. Pau hasn't finished his career yet, but as of now, Rodman has shown to be the better player.

[Thompson]

I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy that exists when people act like Kobe is some sort of whiny bitch primadonna. So was Jordan. In fact he was worse.

There is no hypocrisy; they're both whiny primadonnas. That's not to say they aren't good players.

[Kriz-Maxima]

Jordan was probably the greatest basketball player ever, however, I never understood people's constant need of sucking his cock. He wasnt perfect, he wasnt a model human being, he was just a basketball player.

[lefty]

Fuck Jordan
Fuck Kobe
Fuck Lebron

[monosylab1k]

Here's a quote that Michael Jordan never had attributed to him -

"Can I cum on your face?"

Too bad Kobe can't say the same.

Oh, and Michael's also never been on a police report selling out one of his teammates.

[Spur-Addict]

Here's a quote that Michael Jordan never had attributed to him -

"Can I cum on your face?"

Too bad Kobe can't say the same.

Oh, and Michael's also never been on a police report selling out one of his teammates.

Police report? Where's this????...I need to see it!....(Discovers...Shakes head in disappointment, but thinks....Yeah, it is Kobe after all)

[The Franchise]

To be the best you have to learn from the best. No doubt Kobe absorbed as much as he could from Mike's game, but he has been able to expand upon that and diversify his offensive skills in a way that Jordan never did.

You are stupid.

[The Franchise]

6 rings, no bigs (because Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman were such slouches :rolleyes), no zone defense, and the best perimeter defender to ever play the game in Scottie Pippen.

Jordan's legacy is untouchable. Kobe can get there but there's a 99% chance he doesn't. To be fair, the game is so much different today that comparisons make good for drunken discussions at bars and little else.

Your right about the game being different today. It was made easier for wing players. If Jordan played with todays rules he would average 45pts. a game.

[DazedAndConfused]

Your right about the game being different today. It was made easier for wing players. If Jordan played with todays rules he would average 45pts. a game.

No.

[mavs>spurs2]

Just got back from playing ball at the park, with a bunch of hard nosed football players who play rough and just foul to make up for their lack of skill. In a way that's like how it was in the Jordan era compared to now, much much harder for a guard to slash and get to the rim, or do anything for that matter. Try scoring with someone handchecking you and hitting you on the arms while you shoot, it becomes a totally different ballgame. Today's NBA is charmin soft and defense is a lost art. Kobe wouldn't even be Kobe had he played back then, much less on Jordan's level.

[mavs>spurs2]

I won't even talk about the way Jordan dominated both sides of the ball like no one ever has, except for maybe Hakeem. Don't want to make GayandConfused cry. It's tough being a great defensive player, there are none in today's league, but just the energy you expend alone will take away from you on the offensive end as well.

[SRJ]

Just got back from playing ball at the park, with a bunch of hard nosed football players who play rough and just foul to make up for their lack of skill. In a way that's like how it was in the Jordan era compared to now, much much harder for a guard to slash and get to the rim, or do anything for that matter. Try scoring with someone handchecking you and hitting you on the arms while you shoot, it becomes a totally different ballgame. Today's NBA is charmin soft and defense is a lost art. Kobe wouldn't even be Kobe had he played back then, much less on Jordan's level.

I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

Sincerely,
TC

[DazedAndConfused]

I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

Sincerely,
TC

Amen. Go watch the 80's Celtics/Lakers finals games and you can see that the defense played back then was extremely poor compared to today. IMHO it is a lot harder to score now than it was back in the 80's and early 90's.

[mavs>spurs2]

I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

Sincerely,
TC

Is that why shooting guards in the 90's were mostly spot up shooters as opposed to slashers? John Starks, Reggie Miller, Dan Majerle, Allan Houston, etc come to mind. It was harder for guards to penetrate, period. I thought it was common knowledge that the league has been trying to make it easier for perimeter players to score in order to find the "next Jordan." Go watch classic Bulls/Knicks battles and you can't say the defense in today's league is on that level.

[Lake_show]

Stop attempting to justify what Kobe does. They aren't comparable. Jordan is the best ever, where Kobe is trying to be Mike. Big difference, they compare Kobe to Mike where Mike is Mike. Tell Kobe to get his own walk, his own swagger, his own tone of speaking, his own playing style....He**, he even cheats on his wife like Mike does (or did) etc. -- Swagger Jackin' a** Kobe, F- outta here

I'd be mad if he ended my teams' season too.

[J.T.]

Kobe wouldn't have been able to touch Michael if they entered the league in the same year.

[J.T.]

It's also nice to see DazedAndConfused evolve into an attention whoring piece of shit who wants a pat on the back from everyone on SpursTalk for his team making the Finals. Even threads like this where he tries to deflect the rape angle from Kobe, it's obvious what he's doing.

It's hard to believe this douche isn't pinked whilst SpursDynasty is.

[kingmalaki]

I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

Sincerely,
TC

Please tell me why MJ would average less PPG today? In the last 3 seasons Wade put up 27, 27 and 25 a game on 50%, 49% and 47%. No one can keep him out of the lane. They also cant keep Monta Ellis, D-Will or C.Paul out of the lane. Considering that MJ is better than all of them at penetrating, finishing and getting calls....why would he do worse? I just find it laughable that folks say MJ wouldn't score as much (netween 29 and 32 a game when they were winning titles) when a worse player is getting what, 4 less PPG??

[DazedAndConfused]

It's also nice to see DazedAndConfused evolve into an attention whoring piece of shit who wants a pat on the back from everyone on SpursTalk for his team making the Finals. Even threads like this where he tries to deflect the rape angle from Kobe, it's obvious what he's doing.

It's hard to believe this douche isn't pinked whilst SpursDynasty is.

What does this thread have to do with Kobe? When did I once mention his name in the original post?

This is about MJ, and the differences in the mainstream media today that would have crucified any NBA player for making half the statements that he made during his career.

[TheMACHINE]

this thread is lame.

[mavs>spurs2]

Yea I really don't see where the 2 guys claiming defense wasn't superior/tougher/more hardnosed back then are coming from. Anyone with eyes can see a drastic change in the NBA from now and then.

[1Parker1]

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."


"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

:lmao Kobe may be closer to MJ than many realized...

[Bob Lanier]

Defenses are absolutely better today than they were at any time in the 1980s and for most of the 1990s. Not more physical; not tougher; not better than from '96 to 2004; but better.

[J.T.]

What does this thread have to do with Kobe? When did I once mention his name in the original post?

This is about MJ, and the differences in the mainstream media today that would have crucified any NBA player for making half the statements that he made during his career.

Which is to mean you really want to say that Kobe > MJ because of all of those quotes. GFY, dude.

[DazedAndConfused]

Which is to mean you really want to say that Kobe > MJ because of all of those quotes. GFY, dude.

:nope

GFY? Please, get out of here with that weak shit and go suck on Tom Brady's cock some more. 18-1!

[angelbelow]

nice thread.

[Typhoon]

Michael Jordan:

14-time NBA All-Star
6 NBA championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 League MVPs
100s of arrogant comments
0 rape accusations

lulz

[spurms]

Can you imagine any NBA player today saying half of these things and not getting crucified?

"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his [expletive] into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box

"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

"Give me the [expletive] ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."

"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue

"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"

"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his [Swearing is not permitted at **********. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)

SOURCE, HAlf of those quotes i am sure you made em up, you got too much time on ur hands man.

[spurms]

and quite honestly, most of the quotes were done in jest, mike trying to be funny, him ripping on his team mates is because of his competitive fire, no one holds a grudge, it's much different from kobe whinning, whinning is not about being funny, it's about being a bitch ala kobe.

[J.T.]

:nope

GFY? Please, get out of here with that weak shit and go suck on Tom Brady's cock some more. 18-1!

:lmao @ you, man. I'm the furthest thing there is from a Patriots fan. 18-1 means nothing to me.

[spurms]

Sounds like an outright hatchet job imo. Wouldn't be surprised if most of those are lies. I remember reading a couple of those comments (the "get me the ******* ball" and the "don't pass it to Cartwright," but they're each incorrect in their own way: the first was directed towards Cartwright iirc, and the second was specifically talking about passing it to Bill late in the game, not the whole game). Wouldn't surprise me if much of it were false.

[gmanrulz]

"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."

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[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

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"...flaming faggot."

[1Parker1]

Defenses are absolutely better today than they were at any time in the 1980s and for most of the 1990s. Not more physical; not tougher; not better than from '96 to 2004; but better.

:lmao Again, LakerFan never ceases to amaze me, contradicting themselves within one single statement. What exactly are you basing this opinion on?

If defenses today are not more physical and not tougher as you admit, then what exactly makes them better? The constant parade to the FT line for perimeter oriented players in this league is reason enough to believe that your statement is beyond false.

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you know.. i was reading through the posts and thought spursaddict was a total douche. why is he bashing kobe so much? the dude is a star and may reach MJ status one day.

and then i thought about prime kobe and prime MJ playing in the same league and at the same time and couldnt see how kobe would out play MJ. MJ would school kobe, night in and night out.

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I compared the tandoms more so than the individuals. Pau isn't a poor defender, but in regards to building a team, i'd choose Pau. He can do more and he isn't a offensive liability. Scoring in the NBA and scoring in college (not D1 for Rod) is totally different. Pau is a B grade Big man. Hard to come across those. He brings more to the table overall. He can just about fit anywhere, whereas Rodman is more effective in systems where he doesn't have to score more. Pau hasn't finished his career yet, but as of now, Rodman has shown to be the better player.

No, I would definitely rather have Rodman when building a team. Gasol is a talented player, soft as hell. There are all kinds of Laker fans that can't stand how soft he is. Rodman is a VERY rare breed of player. But you can find plenty of Gasol type players. And fact is, Rodman is probably the best ever at doing what he does (dirty work, defense, rebounding). But there are plenty of players all time that can do what Gasol does and are far superior at it.

[Spur-Addict]

:lmao Again, LakerFan never ceases to amaze me, contradicting themselves within one single statement. What exactly are you basing this opinion on?

If defenses today are not more physical and not tougher as you admit, then what exactly makes them better? The constant parade to the FT line for perimeter oriented players in this league is reason enough to believe that your statement is beyond false.

Parker, these Laker fans are delusional don't even bother. I get a giant crack outta them attempting to say Ko is better or right near MJ. The game had way more clutching and grabbing then. It was far more physical opposed to now. MJ would eat alot more today as opposed to before. Bruce Bowen would be the man back then in regards to defense. Did you notice how he left out from 1984-1995? lol F*** outta here you lames.

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Defenses are absolutely better today than they were at any time in the 1980s and for most of the 1990s. Not more physical; not tougher; not better than from '96 to 2004; but better.

Modern defenses are definitley superior to defense in previous years. Mainly because of the increased amounts of effort and defensive systems. Imagine if players today could get away with the hacking and bullshit that you could get away with in the 80s? It would be almost impossible to score 100. Hell, 90 would be a pain in the ass.

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SOURCE, HAlf of those quotes i am sure you made em up, you got too much time on ur hands man.

actually these are from the book "The Jordan Rules"

damn good book too. i recommend it strongly to anyone here.

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:lmao Again, LakerFan never ceases to amaze me, contradicting themselves within one single statement. What exactly are you basing this opinion on?

If defenses today are not more physical and not tougher as you admit, then what exactly makes them better? The constant parade to the FT line for perimeter oriented players in this league is reason enough to believe that your statement is beyond false.

because of systems, increased effort and emphasis by coaches, superior level of athleticism throughout the league.

when he says they are not more physical or tough, its because they are not allowed to be due to rule changes. and 80's defense was largely based off of steals and turnovers. Those are nice, but no defense from back then even compares to defenses like the Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, etc... teams that do such a good shot of not giving space for open shots that they turn into bad forced shots that often miss badly, and in turn gets opponents out of their rhythm.

[Spur-Addict]

No, I would definitely rather have Rodman. Gasol is a talented player, soft as hell. There are all kinds of Laker fans that can't stand how soft he is. Rodman is a VERY rare breed of player. But you can find plenty of Gasol type players. And fact is, Rodman is probably the best ever at doing what he does (dirty work, defense, rebounding). But there are plenty of players all time that can do what Gasol does and are far superior at it.

Oh really now? how many players are going to average a shade under 20 ppg and 10 rpg per game EVERY YEAR? NOT MANY. The ones who do are coveted my friend. His worst year was 18 ppg (17.6) and 7 Rpg (7.4) just under 3 assists per game and roughly 2 blks per game (1.7).

Rodman-worst year- with at least 30 mins per game

11 Rpg 2 Ppg-.5 stl.pg roughly, .5 blk.pg roughly.
can't be argued for being on the decline b/c the next year his stats were better. I won't leave out all the Defensive accolades either, 1st team etc.

Rodman has rings? Yes. Lets not forget about who he played with. The stacked Bad Boys squad who gave the Bulls the business and the Lakers. He had Isiah, Joe D, Vin the Microwave, Bill Lamb, it goes on and on. Other ring team? MJ and Scottie. Non- ring teams? David Robinson-
Gasol can be built around. Where Rodman is someone who caps off your team, the extra cherry on top. History shows it.
There are players comparable to Rodman. Ben Wallace, Charles Oakley to name a few. Sure Gasol is the Cherry right now but he can be built around and was. Just so happens his team never had a second man. Sorry, Mike Miller is a third man.

Lets see who Gasol had to play with. Mike Miller, Stromile Swift, Brian Cardinal, Jason Williams, a young Drew Gooden and Shane battier. Damn, they are certainly comparable to MJ and Scottie, or, Isiah and JD, or even David Robinson. He had to face Timmy in the playoffs multiple times and of course Timmy kills b/c Timmy is the man. The Griz also had nobody aside from MM who actually did work in the Playoffs. Put Rodman as your centerpiece and see how far you get. A player like Rodman will never be built around.

I'm Glad 7fts with massive wingspans, excellent touch, great passer who can get you roughly 20 and ten per game are just everywhere. Oh, he can also face up and drive as a 7ft is this true? Oh, he can also handle the rock a bit as a 7ft? He's def soft, there is no debating that and i'm not saying he's great. But lets not act like Rodman was the only player who could filled his type of role.

How many GMs out there are going to build a team around D-Rodor a guy like him? Go ask Chi town if they paid too much for Ben wallace, they' ll tell you.

(For the record I love Rodman, I just enjoy playing Devils Advocate. Fun debate this could be. My points do have value.)

[samikeyp]

To be the best you have to learn from the best. No doubt Kobe absorbed as much as he could from Mike's game, but he has been able to expand upon that and diversify his offensive skills in a way that Jordan never did.

I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy that exists when people act like Kobe is some sort of whiny bitch primadonna. So was Jordan. In fact he was worse.

It's only hypocrisy if people say that about Kobe and then say "Well MJ wasn't like that". If someone said that, then it would be hypocritical. To just say that about Kobe and leave it there is not. Judging by those comments compared to the ones we have attributed to Kobe, I would say MJ was worse, then again, there may be ones about Kobe that we haven't heard. Kobe did bitch about wanting to be traded and not liking the makeup of his team. The question is was he just being a little bitch and will do the same the next time the team hits adversity or was he upset and now that the Lakers FO has done something, will he be cool. So far, so good for Laker nation.

[oligarchy]

I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

Sincerely,
TC

I hope you are kidding there.

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Oh really now? how many players are going to average a shade under 20 ppg and 10 rpg per game EVERY YEAR? NOT MANY. The ones who do are coveted my friend. His worst year was 18 ppg (17.6) and 7 Rpg (7.4) just under 3 assists per game and roughly 2 blks per game (1.7).

Rodman-worst year- with at least 30 mins per game

11 Rpg 2 Ppg-.5 stl.pg roughly, .5 blk.pg roughly.
can't be argued for being on the decline b/c the next year his stats were better. I won't leave out all the Defensive accolades either, 1st team etc.

Rodman has rings? Yes. Lets not forget about who he played with. The stacked Bad Boys squad who gave the Bulls the business and the Lakers. He had Isiah, Joe D, Vin the Microwave, Bill Lamb, it goes on and on. Other ring team? MJ and Scottie. Non- ring teams? David Robinson-
Gasol can be built around. Where Rodman is someone who caps off your team, the extra cherry on top. History shows it.
There are players comparable to Rodman. Ben Wallace, Charles Oakley to name a few. Sure Gasol is the Cherry right now but he can be built around and was. Just so happens his team never had a second man. Sorry, Mike Miller is a third man.

Lets see who Gasol had to play with. Mike Miller, Stromile Swift, Brian Cardinal, Jason Williams, a young Drew Gooden and Shane battier. Damn, they are certainly comparable to MJ and Scottie, or, Isiah and JD, or even David Robinson. He had to face Timmy in the playoffs multiple times and of course Timmy kills b/c Timmy is the man. The Griz also had nobody aside from MM who actually did work in the Playoffs. Put Rodman as your centerpiece and see how far you get. A player like Rodman will never be built around.

I'm Glad 7fts with massive wingspans, excellent touch, great passer who can get you roughly 20 and ten per game are just everywhere. Oh, he can also face up and drive as a 7ft is this true? Oh, he can also handle the rock a bit as a 7ft? He's def soft, there is no debating that and i'm not saying he's great. But lets not act like Rodman was the only player who could filled his type of role.

How many GMs out there are going to build a team around D-Rodor a guy like him? Go ask Chi town if they paid too much for Ben wallace, they' ll tell you.

(For the record I love Rodman, I just enjoy playing Devils Advocate. Fun debate this could be. My points do have value.)

Great argument, although to be fair, I didn't really read any of it. I got the gist after the first couple words and a quick skim.

My point, is that Rodman brings things to the table that not many players in NBA history has been able to bring, in the manner that he does. He is a lockdown defender with versatility of defending numerous positions, and one of the greatest defenders ever, period. He is one of the greatest rebounders on both ends of the court, of all time. He is among the greatest hustler/dirty work players the NBA has evers seen. What great things does Pau Gasol do? He has some nice post moves. So does Tim Duncan... only better. He has a decent mid-range jumper. So does Kevin Garnett... only better. He is a good foreign player. So is Dirk... only better. There is nothing that really stands out significantly about Gasol, and he will never go down as an all-time great at anything other than perhaps softness and screaming at the top of his lungs every time he gets remotely touched when under the basket, to try to draw attention for a non-existent foul, when whines when they call nothing.

When building a team, you can find a number of players that do things that Gasol does, but are far superior. Tim Duncan is basically a Gasol x10. He does everything Gasol can do, only better. Plus he is not soft, and plays great defense. How many players in NBA history however, can do what Rodman does? For his size and position, he is hands down the greatest rebounder ever. His willingness to hustle on defense and do dirty work is unsurpassed. He might not have scored a lot of points, but his ability to do clean-up work allows more room for error for other scorers on the team, and can result in easy buckets.

Sorry, but Rodman is 100000x more of a unique player than Gasol will ever be, and I guarantee any good basketball mind will say what he brings to the table is extremely unique and more significant and harder to find/replace than what Gasol brings.

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and i never said anything about building a team around them. I just said if you are building a team, then Rodman is a more useful piece than Gasol.

and fact is, if you are building a team around Gasol, then you are simply destined for failure. so im not sure why you would even want to have a debate about that.

[Spur-Addict]

Great argument, although to be fair, I didn't really read any of it. I got the gist after the first couple words and a quick skim.

My point, is that Rodman brings things to the table that not many players in NBA history has been able to bring, in the manner that he does. He is a lockdown defender with versatility of defending numerous positions, and one of the greatest defenders ever, period. He is one of the greatest rebounders on both ends of the court, of all time. He is among the greatest hustler/dirty work players the NBA has evers seen. What great things does Pau Gasol do? He has some nice post moves. So does Tim Duncan... only better. He has a decent mid-range jumper. So does Kevin Garnett... only better. He is a good foreign player. So is Dirk... only better. There is nothing that really stands out significantly about Gasol, and he will never go down as an all-time great at anything other than perhaps softness and screaming at the top of his lungs every time he gets remotely touched when under the basket, to try to draw attention for a non-existent foul, when whines when they call nothing.

When building a team, you can find a number of players that do things that Gasol does, but are far superior. Tim Duncan is basically a Gasol x10. He does everything Gasol can do, only better. Plus he is not soft, and plays great defense. How many players in NBA history however, can do what Rodman does? For his size and position, he is hands down the greatest rebounder ever. His willingness to hustle on defense and do dirty work is unsurpassed. He might not have scored a lot of points, but his ability to do clean-up work allows more room for error for other scorers on the team, and can result in easy buckets.

Sorry, but Rodman is 100000x more of a unique player than Gasol will ever be, and I guarantee any good basketball mind will say what he brings to the table is extremely unique and more significant and harder to find/replace than what Gasol brings.

Unique doesn't mean better. Also, I already named players who are like Rodman but you said you didn't read the post. Wallace, Oakley etc.

Rodman-Better Defender, Better rebounder
Gasol-Better Scorer, Good rebounder, great passer-Better Shot Blocker

We aren't comparing Gasol to other players except Rodman. If you wanna compare Rodman we can, starting with Wallace and Oakley. Believe me, I love Rodman more than Gasol, but there is no way i'm building around Rodman instead of Gasol. Every team that has won championships in the history of the league has won with a Big man except the 90's Bulls and the 80's Pistons. Based on the obvious overwhelming history, i'm taking the post man.

[dbreiden83080]

Jordan was very smart and slick. He did not get along with a lot of his teammates over the years and he openly hated his GM but he would always make sure to cozy up to the star players in the league at that time, like Barkley, Ewing, Bird, Magic and when the lights were on he was on his best behavior. Always wearing suits in public, making sure his image was as squeaky clean as possible so he would get all the endorsement deals. Plus he was so great and won so much, little thiings that came out about him were largely swept under the rug. Privately i don't think there is any question Jordan was a different guy then what we saw in public.

[dbreiden83080]

No.

Maybe not 45 but he put 30 up a game consistanly while still making his team better and winning titles in an era where the physical D was much different.

[dbreiden83080]

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Funny thing about that is, it was not really Jordan's fault. Kwame was just another one of those super-talented kids that everyone was high on that had no stomach for the pro-game. Once upon a time eveyone thought, Michael Olowokandi was going to be great too.

[monosylab1k]

Funny thing about that is, it was not really Jordan's fault. Kwame was just another one of those super-talented kids that everyone was high on that had no stomach for the pro-game. Once upon a time eveyone thought, Michael Olowokandi was going to be great too.

And that draft was full of HS busts. Eddy Curry is Oliver Miller 2.0, Tyson Chandler has no actual basketball skills beyond being able to jump really high, and DeSagana Diop was awful until he figured out how to play some defense.

Actually Kwame is probably the most complete player out of all the high school kids in that year's draft, but unlike the others, he wasn't good enough at one particular skill (Curry - post offense, Chandler - rebounds & catching alley-oops, Diop - blocking shots) to carve out a niche and have some sort of value on an NBA team.

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Unique doesn't mean better. Also, I already named players who are like Rodman but you said you didn't read the post. Wallace, Oakley etc.

Rodman-Better Defender, Better rebounder
Gasol-Better Scorer, Good rebounder, great passer-Better Shot Blocker

We aren't comparing Gasol to other players except Rodman. If you wanna compare Rodman we can, starting with Wallace and Oakley. Believe me, I love Rodman more than Gasol, but there is no way i'm building around Rodman instead of Gasol. Every team that has won championships in the history of the league has won with a Big man except the 90's Bulls and the 80's Pistons. Based on the obvious overwhelming history, i'm taking the post man.


My argument was never about building around someone. It was just about pieces to build a team. Rodman would be a better role player to have than Gasol. and besides, as i said before, if you are building a team around Gasol, then your team probably wont be very good, and you are just destined for failiure. both guys are role players. so why would you argue about who you would want your #1 guy to be, if neither is a #1 type of guy?

[Spur-Addict]

My argument was never about building around someone. It was just about pieces to build a team. Rodman would be a better role player to have than Gasol. and besides, as i said before, if you are building a team around Gasol, then your team probably wont be very good, and you are just destined for failiure.

Destined for failure with no second option. Are role players better than Center pieces?...Nope, that's why they are called ROLE PLAYERS. Rodman can't lead a team to the playoffs. He can push a team over the edge, but so can Gasol. Gasol is more complete, Rodman is one sided. Great role player at that, one of the better role players ever. But, lets remember what we are comparing here. Rodman is what he is b/c he doesn't have the ability to be a Center piece.

[Kriz-Maxima]

And Gasol does?

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Destined for failure with no second option. Are role players better than Center pieces?...Nope, that's why they are called ROLE PLAYERS. Rodman can't lead a team to the playoffs. He can push a team over the edge, but so can Gasol. Gasol is more complete, Rodman is one sided. Great role player at that, one of the better role players ever. But, lets remember what we are comparing here. Rodman is what he is b/c he doesn't have the ability to be a Center piece.

Gasol doesnt either. So what is your point?

In fact, I didn't understand the reasoning behind this entire post. I said basically what you said... that both of these guys are role players and not capable of leading teams.

IMO, I think Rodman is a more unique role player and the type of role he plays is harder to find throughout NBA history, than Gasol. You can find plenty of good offensive low post role players in history that are far superior to Gasol. Kevin McHale is one that easily stands out. But how many dirty work players can you find that compare to Rodman? NOT ONE. And you are nuts if you say Ben Wallace or Charles Oakley.

Dennis Rodman is the model for all players who hope to make their place in the NBA by doing dirty work. He is the golden standard, by far.

On the other hand, who the fuck wants to have low post scoring talent, but not much else, and not even utilize it to their fullest due to issues with being extremely soft? (which sums up Pau Gasol)

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And Gasol does?

you read my mind, lol

[Spur-Addict]

you read my mind, lol

Gasol led his team to the playoffs more than one tiime. In the WEST AT THAT!!! Rodman can never lead a team to the playoffs, EVER.

[dbreiden83080]

And that draft was full of HS busts. Eddy Curry is Oliver Miller 2.0, Tyson Chandler has no actual basketball skills beyond being able to jump really high, and DeSagana Diop was awful until he figured out how to play some defense.

Actually Kwame is probably the most complete player out of all the high school kids in that year's draft, but unlike the others, he wasn't good enough at one particular skill (Curry - post offense, Chandler - rebounds & catching alley-oops, Diop - blocking shots) to carve out a niche and have some sort of value on an NBA team.

Which is why i am glad now they have to go to college for at least 1 year. Too many drafts where it is hard to project how a 18 year old kid will develop. They are men playing with boys at the high school level, then they go pro and they get destroyed usually for a year or so and either pick themselves up and get better or totally fall apart.

[DarrinS]

No matter what MJ has ever said, he will always be universally loved and admired while you can't say the same for "the black mamba".

My condolenses to the OP.

[dbreiden83080]

Wasn't there an article about Kobe that just came out that said everyone in the league basically hates his ass because he is such an arrogant jerk?? Jordan at least had friends in the NBA, he was tight with most of the stars of his day.

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Gasol led his team to the playoffs more than one tiime. In the WEST AT THAT!!! Rodman can never lead a team to the playoffs, EVER.

And it all ended up in first round sweeps, which ultimately means he accomplished... well, nothing. Why? Because he is a role player and has no place being a #1 option. So that really doesn't help your argument in any way, shape, or form.

But if you wanna use a lame point that really doesnt help your argument much, then I will use one... 5 >>>>> 0. Thus Rodman >>>>> Gasol.

[balli]

As far as the whole Gasol/Rodman debate goes, I don't even think it's close. I'd take Rodman over Gasol without even thinking twice. Rodman had a stretch where he averaged 12, 18, 18, 17, 16, 14, 16 rebounds in consecutive seasons. Chuck Daly has called him the most tireless player he over coached. His work-ethic during his early years is legendary. He shot a great FG%. His defense was ferocious. I know, I watched Dennis Rodman punk and get into Karl Malone's head so many times that it isn't even easy to think about.

Basically, Rodman brought everything intangible to the table that a team needs to win. If I could assemble a team of twelve players throughout history, Rodman would easily be one of them, hell, he'd probably be a starter.

Get Gasol out of here. He's a fine player, but don't even think for a second that the things he does translate into wins as much as the things that Dennis Rodman did.

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As far as the whole Gasol/Rodman debate goes, I don't even think it's close. I'd taken Rodman over Gasol without even thinking twice. Rodman had a stretch where he averaged 12, 18, 18, 17, 16, 14, 16 rebounds in consecutive seasons. Chuck Daly has called him the most tireless player he over coached. His work-ethic during his early years is legendary. He shot a great FG%. His defense was ferocious.

Basically, Rodman brought everything intangible to the table that a team needs to win. If I could assemble a team of twelve players throughout history, Rodman would easily be one of them, hell, he'd probably be a starter.

Get Gasol out of here. He's a fine player, but don't even think for a second that the things he does translate into wins as much as the things that Dennis Rodman did.

I couldn't agree more. Rodman does the stuff and junk plays that the stars dont wanna do, and they dont have to expend energy on it either because they have Rodman doing those things. There are so many ways that Rodman contributes to his team, its not even funny. More than many of these so called "superstars" in the league, who get that title of "superstar" or an all-star berth, just because they score globs of points. In the end, what is it that always wins championships? The team with superior rebounding, defense, and teamwork. ALWAYS. Rodman contributes to all of those things, and does so extremely well. Gasol is an okay rebounder, but doesnt play defense for crap, and im not saying hes not a team player because he is, but he doesnt really improve teamwork in any way either.

[Spur-Addict]

I couldn't agree more. Rodman does the stuff and junk plays that the stars dont wanna do, and they dont have to expend energy on it either because they have Rodman doing those things. There are so many ways that Rodman contributes to his team, its not even funny. More than many of these so called "superstars" in the league, who get that title of "superstar" or an all-star berth, just because they score globs of points. In the end, what is it that always wins championships? The team with superior rebounding, defense, and teamwork. ALWAYS. Rodman contributes to all of those things, and does so extremely well. Gasol is an okay rebounder, but doesnt play defense for crap, and im not saying hes not a team player because he is, but he doesnt really improve teamwork in any way either.

Now I see what i'm arguing with. Anyways...


1.) Players who aren't role players are better than role players.

2.) Pau Gasol= not Role Player (anytime you lead a franchise to the playoffs w/o a second option more than one time you are not a role player)

3.) Dennis Rodman= Role Player

Therefore, Pau Gasol is better than Dennis Rodman
(ppl)

Now, if i'm looking for a specific type of player for an already good team, then D-Rod may be the better choice. But, if I have no players and i'm not sure who else will be available, because frankly, that's how you truly evaluate players, Head up, i'm taking Pau.

[Spur-Addict]

As far as the whole Gasol/Rodman debate goes, I don't even think it's close. I'd take Rodman over Gasol without even thinking twice. Rodman had a stretch where he averaged 12, 18, 18, 17, 16, 14, 16 rebounds in consecutive seasons. Chuck Daly has called him the most tireless player he over coached. His work-ethic during his early years is legendary. He shot a great FG%. His defense was ferocious. I know, I watched Dennis Rodman punk and get into Karl Malone's head so many times that it isn't even easy to think about.

Basically, Rodman brought everything intangible to the table that a team needs to win. If I could assemble a team of twelve players throughout history, Rodman would easily be one of them, hell, he'd probably be a starter.

Get Gasol out of here. He's a fine player, but don't even think for a second that the things he does translate into wins as much as the things that Dennis Rodman did.

Where will he start at? PF? who will he Stop from getting major stats in a seven game series ? Bird? Timmy? I mean really, get real man.

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Now I see what i'm arguing with. Anyways...


1.) Players who aren't role players are better than role players.

2.) Pau Gasol= not Role Player (anytime you lead a franchise to the playoffs w/o a second option more than one time you are not a role player)

3.) Dennis Rodman= Role Player

Therefore, Pau Gasol is better than Dennis Rodman
(ppl)

Now, if i'm looking for a specific type of player for an already good team, then D-Rod may be the better choice. But, if I have no players and i'm not sure who else will be available, because frankly, that's how you truly evaluate players, Head up, i'm taking Pau.

Oh really?


Pau hasn't finished his career yet, but as of now, Rodman has shown to be the better player.

I could go on and debate more of your shitty points, but I will just leave it at this, as now everyone sees the ignorance I have wasted my time debating with. Besides, all of those points have already been covered in previous posts of mine. Shows how much you actually read before posting that shit. :rolleyes

Fail.

[balli]

1.) Players who aren't role players are better than role players.

Not true. I'd rather have plenty of defensive guys, Battier, Artest, Bowen, etc over many so-called franchise stars Vince, Gilbert, Baron Davis.


2.) Pau Gasol= not Role Player (anytime you lead a franchise to the playoffs w/o a second option more than one time you are not a role player)
I think Mike Miller, a still good Jason Williams and Bonzi Wells, Shane Battier and James Posey take offense.


3.) Dennis Rodman= Role Player
Probably the best "role player" ever.

If it comes down to a sub-par star who will never carry a team past the 1st round, or the best role player ever, I'm taking Rodman, I don't care who else is on the team.

Nuff said-
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s219/ballijuana/Rodman.jpg

[balli]

Where will he start at? PF? who will he Stop from getting major stats in a seven game series ? Bird? Timmy? I mean really, get real man.

Are you kidding me? At his peak Karl Malone was if not the best, one of the best ever at PF and I watched Rodman absolutely decimate him. There were times Malone got his, but more often than not Rodman owned Karl Malone when Malone was at his absolute best. I'd put Rodman on anyone you could name and I guarantee they'd be bothered and taken out of their game.

[Spur-Addict]

Are you kidding me? At his peak Karl Malone was if not the best, one of the best ever at PF and I watched Rodman absolutely decimate him. There were times Malone got his, but more often than not Rodman owned Karl Malone when Malone was at his absolute best. I'd put Rodman on anyone you could name and I guarantee they'd be bothered and taken out of their game.

When you are grading players head up, a role player is never better than a complete player. When you build a team you need role players b/c a team will fail w/o them. Of course Rod is better now, Pau hasn't finished his career yet. All that page ago quote shows is the potential for Pau. Also, I don't care who takes offense, none, all those players are Second tier players, PERIOD. All of them are Role players. If he's the best role player ever it doesn't matter b/c he's still a role player. About this Malone statement lol Malone wouldn't be on my twelve man team. SORRY

[Spur-Addict]

Not true. I'd rather have plenty of defensive guys, Battier, Artest, Bowen, etc over many so-called franchise stars Vince, Gilbert, Baron Davis.

I think Mike Miller, a still good Jason Williams and Bonzi Wells, Shane Battier and James Posey take offense.

Probably the best "role player" ever.

If it comes down to a sub-par star who will never carry a team past the 1st round, or the best role player ever, I'm taking Rodman, I don't care who else is on the team.

Nuff said-
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s219/ballijuana/Rodman.jpg

Nice picture BTW

[balli]

About this Malone statement lol Malone wouldn't be on my twelve man team. SORRY

Mine either, but in 1997 and 1998 Karl Malone was playing the PF as well as anyone who's ever played it. He may not have the rings or entire career to back it up, but in those two seasons Malone was as good at PF as anyone has ever been... and quite often during those seasons, Rodman fucked. him. up.

[DazedAndConfused]

Balli and stretch, you guys clearly get basketball. Spur-Addict, quit embarrassing yourself.

One of the things I hate when discussing sports is people who only look at stats and box scores. Anyone who watched Rodman play can see the value in having him on your team. I'm surprised that Spur fan doesn't see this when he has Bruce Bowen on his team. Bowen's stats aren't very impressive, but clearly his impact is huge and has allowed the Spurs to win many championships.

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Balli and stretch, you guys clearly get basketball. Spur-Addict, quit embarrassing yourself.

One of the things I hate when discussing sports is people who only look at stats and box scores. Anyone who watched Rodman play can see the value in having him on your team. I'm surprised that Spur fan doesn't see this when he has Bruce Bowen on his team. Bowen's stats aren't very impressive, but clearly his impact is huge and has allowed the Spurs to win many championships.

You hit the nail right on the head. Bruce Bowen is a PERFECT example. In fact, I can't remember who, I think it was Kori, who a year or so ago posted that Bruce Bowen is arguably the second most important player on the Spurs, a point that I personally had thought for a while myself. The value those kinds of players have is much greater than people realize. Most people just see points as the only sign of value, when it is simply not true at all.

[Spur-Addict]

Mine either, but in 1997 and 1998 Karl Malone was playing the PF as well as anyone who's ever played it. He may not have the rings or entire career to back it up, but in those two seasons Malone was as good at PF as anyone has ever been... and quite often during those seasons, Rodman fucked. him. up.

Well, there's no debating the skill of Karl Malone. I never liked his game, especially in the years of his prime b/c he took alot of jump shots. But, Rodman can't guard any of the bigs on my 12 man roster. Off hand I can't state the stats of the back to back finals for Malone. If I could I would, either way it's fine.

1.) Duncan 2.) Shaq 3.) Hakeem 4.) Kareem<<<<<Who can he guard here? Since he's starting and I can pretty much interchange the bigs.

5.) Bird 6.) Pippen 7.) Jordan 8.) Dr. J

9.) Isiah 10.) Pistol Pete 11.) Oscar Robertson

12.) Ice Man

[Spur-Addict]

Balli and stretch, you guys clearly get basketball. Spur-Addict, quit embarrassing yourself.

One of the things I hate when discussing sports is people who only look at stats and box scores. Anyone who watched Rodman play can see the value in having him on your team. I'm surprised that Spur fan doesn't see this when he has Bruce Bowen on his team. Bowen's stats aren't very impressive, but clearly his impact is huge and has allowed the Spurs to win many championships.

Rodman is a Spur you genius. We're talking individual players not additions to teams that round them off. Evaluate them individually and tell me what's the honest truth. If you think Rodman can lead a team to the playoffs in the NBA you're crazy. Put those same players around Rodman and you come up with lint.

[Spur-Addict]

You hit the nail right on the head. Bruce Bowen is a PERFECT example. In fact, I can't remember who, I think it was Kori, who a year or so ago posted that Bruce Bowen is arguably the second most important player on the Spurs, a point that I personally had thought for a while myself. The value those kinds of players have is much greater than people realize. Most people just see points as the only sign of value, when it is simply not true at all.

Great players, tremendous value. Only when they are added to a team will they maximize there effectiveness. Where a great player can maximize his effectiveness with or without a team.

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Rodman is a Spur you genius. We're talking individual players not additions to teams that round them off. Evaluate them individually and tell me what's the honest truth. If you think Rodman can lead a team to the playoffs in the NBA you're crazy. Put those same players around Rodman and you come up with lint.

Which is what 3 consecutive first-round sweeps amounts to as well.

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Great players, tremendous value. Only when they are added to a team will they maximize there effectiveness. Where a great player can maximize his effectiveness with or without a team.

Kinda like Gasol did, when added to the Lakers?

[Spur-Addict]

Which is what 3 consecutive first-round sweeps amounts to as well.

Getting to the playoffs is an achievement, go ask the Hawks. Of course you want more, but, you have to start somewhere.

[Spur-Addict]

Kinda like Gasol did, when added to the Lakers?

Kinda like Rodman on the Bulls? Only difference is, Gasol can lead his team to the playoffs, where Rodman cannot. HUGE DIFFERENCE, if you can't see this then I don't know what else to tell you.

[Spur-Addict]

Kinda like Gasol did, when added to the Lakers?

Here's a question for you, If Kobe gets hurt, who would give the lakers the better shot at winning the title? Gasol or Rodman?

[balli]

1.) Duncan 2.) Shaq 3.) Hakeem 4.) Kareem<<<<<Who can he guard here? Since he's starting and I can pretty much interchange the bigs.

Those are all centers. I can't tell you who he'd guard out of them, because it's a ridiculous question. In any event, he'd still do a better job against them than Gasol would. (even though he wouldn't be on Shaq, Hakeem or Kareem particularly, in a million years.


5.) Bird 6.) Pippen 7.) Jordan 8.) Dr. J
In 1987 Boston beat Detroit, but Rodman fucked with Bird for the entire series and it is the precise time and event when Dennis Rodman made a name for himself.
But in answer to your question, yes, Larry Bird and Jordan were better than Rodman. That doesn't mean Pau Gasol is.



9.) Isiah 10.) Pistol Pete 11.) Oscar Robertson



Those are all PGs. When listing players Rodman can't defend why did you put together a 11 man team with three pg's, 4 of the most talented sg/sfs, 4 centers and 0 PF's?


Here's a question for you, If Kobe gets hurt, who would give the lakers the better shot at winning the title? Gasol or Rodman?

It's a moot point. Gasol would never lead them to a title. Ever.

[Spur-Addict]

Those are all centers. I can't tell you who he'd guard out of them, because it's a ridiculous question. In any event, he'd still do a better job against them than Gasol would. (even though he wouldn't be on Shaq, Hakeem or Kareem particularly, in a million years.


In 1987 Boston beat Detroit, but Rodman fucked with Bird for the entire series and it is the precise time and event when Dennis Rodman made a name for himself.
But in answer to your question, yes, Larry Bird and Jordan were better than Rodman. That doesn't mean Pau Gasol is.




Those are all PG. When listing players Rodman can't defend why did you put together a twelve man team with three pg's and 4 centers?

I'm only talking about the Bigs, I put the rest of the list out for viewing pleasure. :nope

[balli]

Okay. Why would 6'8" Dennis Rodman be expected to guard Shaq, Kareem or Hakeem?

[Spur-Addict]

Those are all centers. I can't tell you who he'd guard out of them, because it's a ridiculous question. In any event, he'd still do a better job against them than Gasol would. (even though he wouldn't be on Shaq, Hakeem or Kareem particularly, in a million years.


In 1987 Boston beat Detroit, but Rodman fucked with Bird for the entire series and it is the precise time and event when Dennis Rodman made a name for himself.
But in answer to your question, yes, Larry Bird and Jordan were better than Rodman. That doesn't mean Pau Gasol is.




Those are all PGs. When listing players Rodman can't defend why did you put together a twelve man team with three pg's, 4 centers and 0 PF's?



It's a moot point. Gasol would never lead them to a title. Ever.


Moot Point? Seems like a fine question to me. Alright Brotha. It's been great, I on the other hand have to go. I will be back a bit later though. Hopefully by then you'll see.
Just strip them down, head up, Gasol can take a team to the plaoffs where Rodman cannot. To me, if you can do that in this league, and someone else can't then you are better.
If you are building a house do you want a carpenter only? Or, someone who can do the plumbing, electrical work as well as some masonry?
I personally want to watch some tv, be able to release my bowels and be grateful for my well carved interior. You on the other hand only wish to live in a wood box, release your bowels outback and play board games all day.

Catch you guys later.

:flag:

[Spur-Addict]

Okay. Why would 6'8" Dennis Rodman be expected to guard Shaq, Kareem or Hakeem?

Rodman is a PF, so is Tim. Hakeem was practically a PF by his body and performance style that's why he's interchangeable...Laterrrrrrrrrrrr Brooooo

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Here's a question for you, If Kobe gets hurt, who would give the lakers the better shot at winning the title? Gasol or Rodman?

They wouldn't have a chance, regardless, so it really doesn't matter.

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Kinda like Rodman on the Bulls? Only difference is, Gasol can lead his team to the playoffs, where Rodman cannot. HUGE DIFFERENCE, if you can't see this then I don't know what else to tell you.

i do see that. but it doesnt really make him a better role player.

[Spur-Addict]

i do see that. but it doesnt really make him a better role player.

No, it makes him the better player.

[~~~~~~]

With Rodman as the defender, Lebron would turn into Queen James :lol

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No, it makes him the better player.

Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen. Who would be more suited as a role player though?

Scottie Pippen.

Fail.

:sleep

[O-Factor]

Jordan is justified in anything he said. He actually led his team to 6 championships.

Kobe has never led a team to shit. And if he wins one this year, he is still 5 behind.

Plus Jordan never raped anyone.

[balli]

Plus Jordan never raped anyone.

Neither did Kobe.

[21_Blessings]

Rodman is a PF, so is Tim. Hakeem was practically a PF by his body and performance style that's why he's interchangeable...Laterrrrrrrrrrrr Brooooo

Tim is a center deal with it. He has played more minutes, signifcantly more minutes at the 5 than he has at the 4 since 2003.

[21_Blessings]

Plus Jordan never raped anyone.

Jordan got his Daddy killed because of his belligerent gambling addiction.

[O-Factor]

Neither did Kobe.

Oh, were you there?

[balli]

Were you?

And to be honest, nobody really knows. I do know however that if Kobe fucking Bryant wants to have sex with a girl who showed up for her sexual abuse exam with four different semen samples in her gut, he doesn't have to rape her.

[Spur-Addict]

Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen. Who would be more suited as a role player though?

Scottie Pippen.

Fail.

:sleep

Look, ......Were are talking about who is the better player not who is the better role player.

[21_Blessings]

Look, ......Were are talking about who is the better player not who is the better role player.

Kobe was/is better at both.

[stretch]

Jordan got his Daddy killed because of his belligerent gambling addiction.

Die.

[stretch]

Look, ......Were are talking about who is the better player not who is the better role player.

and you said that Rodman was the better player in your first post. so stfu.

[pauls931]

You are an idiot not worth arguing with. I understand you hate Kobe because of what he just did to the Spurs, it is clearly clouding your judgment.

Wait, the team we keep knocking around made it to the finals? Where's a rope to hang myself!?

[Spur-Addict]

and you said that Rodman was the better player in your first post. so stfu.

WoW...Uncalled for. If you read more posts, it says he's better as of now, Simply b/c Pau hasn't finished his career. Who knows if Pau will just up and deteriorate in two years. Rude, amazing how much power ppl feel being behind a computer. Good day sir.

[odogg726]

Really? Well he won't be. Kobes a fronter as well. When asked about the number change, he gave some garbo excuse about some Italian player, when we all know he thinks he's better than mike. He never will be. Mike never had a post player, Mike was the Post. LBJ doesn't play like Mike, talk like him, walk like him etc. Only thing LJB has that even resembles Mike is his number. So keep sucking off Kobe you lame.


Haha, you're a fvckin' idiot. Kobe changed his number because Adidas, his former shoe endorser, was starting to resell his previously released shoes, which still had the number "8" on them, insinuating they were still selling Kobe's. That didn't go over too well with NIKE, his current shoe endorser, so they brought about the change. Asshat.

As for comparing Kobe to Jordan, nobody had even mentioned Kobe's name until you brought it up, so stop going outta your way to hate on the guy. Just the fact that you even brought it up shows you that he's at the very least in the discussion. How many Spurs have ever been compared to the best player on the planet?

Watch the Kobe interview with Stephen A. Smith on espn.com, where Kobe goes out of his way to dodge those comparisons, which by the way are solely created by unimaginative media who have nothing better to talk about and need to fill radio time and sports columns. Last time I checked, having the label as "best ever" was a matter of opinion, and has never been rewarded with any type of ring or trophy.

MJ was MJ, and we'll never see any player accomplish what he did in only 13 full seasons. Kobe is Kobe, and just leave it at that.

[Spur-Addict]

Haha, you're a fvckin' idiot. Kobe changed his number because Adidas, his former shoe endorser, was starting to resell his previously released shoes, which still had the number "8" on them, insinuating they were still selling Kobe's. That didn't go over too well with NIKE, his current shoe endorser, so they brought about the change. Asshat.
As for comparing Kobe to Jordan, nobody had even mentioned Kobe's name until you brought it up, so stop going outta your way to hate on the guy. Just the fact that you even brought it up shows you that he's at the very least in the discussion. How many Spurs have ever been compared to the best player on the planet?

Watch the Kobe interview with Stephen A. Smith on espn.com, where Kobe goes out of his way to dodge those comparisons, which by the way are solely created by unimaginative media who have nothing better to talk about and need to fill radio time and sports columns. Last time I checked, having the label as "best ever" was a matter of opinion, and has never been rewarded with any type of ring or trophy.

MJ was MJ, and we'll never see any player accomplish what he did in only 13 full seasons. Kobe is Kobe, and just leave it at that.

The commonly given reason has nothing to do with your statement. It's more along the lines of getting back his high school number.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

I also remember an interview which I cannot find that would explain the high school number, but it's unavailable at this time. So, I won't get into that.

[21_Blessings]

His number. The league allows number changes. Get the fuck over it.

[odogg726]

The commonly given reason has nothing to do with your statement. It's more along the lines of getting back his high school number.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

I also remember an interview which I cannot find that would explain the high school number, but it's unavailable at this time. So, I won't get into that.



First of all, you're trying to explain how he chose the number 24, I'm explaining why the number change was necessary.

Second, his high school number was 33 at Lower Merion High. Nice try though.

[Spur-Addict]

First of all, you're trying to explain how he chose the number 24, I'm explaining why the number change was necessary.

Second, his high school number was 33 at Lower Merion High. Nice try though.

Actually, he wore both numbers in high school.

I know what he wore in high school, why would I post an article and not read it?

#8, not #24 was worn b/c of D'Antoni, I was thinking it was #24.

I've never seen anything about endorements being the reason, if you can prove that then it's fine with me. I guess we'll never know why he wore 24 in high school originally....;)

[odogg726]

Actually, he wore both numbers in high school.

I know what he wore in high school, why would I post an article and not read it?

#8, not #24 was worn b/c of D'Antoni, I was thinking it was #24.

I've never seen anything about endorements being the reason, if you can prove that then it's fine with me. I guess we'll never know why he wore 24 in high school originally....;)



The conspiracy theorist in me always kinda thought that with the whole Colorado thing, combined with the fact that people had been buying his jersey since 96-97, maybe his people were just trying to improve his jersey numbers. At the time, I believe his jersey was like #50 something among popular selling sports jerseys in America.

We all know the NBA's all about marketing. If you look at how Shaq's jersey numbers went up once he got traded to Miami, then again to Phoenix, you'll see what I mean.

[Spur-Addict]

The conspiracy theorist in me always kinda thought that with the whole Colorado thing, combined with the fact that people had been buying his jersey since 96-97, maybe his people were just trying to improve his jersey numbers. At the time, I believe his jersey was like #50 something among popular selling sports jerseys in America.

We all know the NBA's all about marketing. If you look at how Shaq's jersey numbers went up once he got traded to Miami, then again to Phoenix, you'll see what I mean.

I understand, theories are cool, I always like to consider them. Hell, my statement on why he wears 24 is a theory LoL. But, to go back to the old number makes me think why he originally decided to wear it. It could be a new beginning thing more than anything (In regards to why he changed it in the league). Especially seeing as how #33 would never be available b/c of Jabbar.

[odogg726]

I understand, theories are cool, I always like to consider them. Hell, my statement on why he wears 24 is a theory LoL. But, to go back to the old number makes me think why he originally decided to wear it. It could be a new beginning thing more than anything (In regards to why he changed it in the league). Especially seeing as how #33 would never be available b/c of Jabbar.


You know what? You're a cool cat. My apologies for snapping at you earlier. It's amazing how quickly a cranberry juice with some Grey Goose can calm a person down, haha.

Again, my bad bro.

[Spur-Addict]

You know what? You're a cool cat. My apologies for snapping at you earlier. It's amazing how quickly a cranberry juice with some Grey Goose can calm a person down, haha.

Again, my bad bro.

AH it's Coo man, no issue here, I appreciate the apology. I guess I would've had to do something to offend you from the get go. So for that i'm sorry. Online is sort of like driving, there's a wall there so it's easy to lose control quickly. Road Rage is equivalent to Online Rage in a way, in regards to how you can just move on quickly so it's simple to let emotions get the best of you. I'm guilty of that but i'm doing better these days.

On a side note, 99 Cheeries, with Cherry Limeade by MinuteMaid is a nice choice. You can add as much of the 99 Cherries as you want and it seems as though it never gets stronger. Goose is smooth, you can never go wrong there LoL.

[odogg726]

AH it's Coo man, no issue here, I appreciate the apology. I guess I would've had to do something to offend you from the get go. So for that i'm sorry. Online is sort of like driving, there's a wall there so it's easy to lose control quickly. Road Rage is equivalent to Online Rage in a way, in regards to how you can just move on quickly so it's simple to let emotions get the best of you. I'm guilty of that but i'm doing better these days.

On a side note, 99 Cheeries, with Cherry Limeade by MinuteMaid is a nice choice. You can add as much of the 99 Cherries as you want and it seems as though it never gets stronger. Goose is smooth, you can never go wrong there LoL.


Haha, you got that right. I gotta try that 99 Cherries though, I've never had that.

Everytime I get a little loose in a thread, I remember what a buddy told me once: "Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics; even if you win, you're still retarded." Not exactly words of wisdom, but pretty easy to remember, haha.

[Spur-Addict]

Haha, you got that right. I gotta try that 99 Cherries though, I've never had that.

Everytime I get a little loose in a thread, I remember what a buddy told me once: "Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics; even if you win, you're still retarded." Not exactly words of wisdom, but pretty easy to remember, haha.

:reading.....:lmao...I'll definetly remember that, especially around here. Special Olympics... LOL

[anakha]

Okay. Why would 6'8" Dennis Rodman be expected to guard Shaq, Kareem or Hakeem?

Rodman guarded Shaq a lot in the '96 Bulls-Magic series.

Drove him absolutely nuts, too.

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WoW...Uncalled for. If you read more posts, it says he's better as of now, Simply b/c Pau hasn't finished his career. Who knows if Pau will just up and deteriorate in two years. Rude, amazing how much power ppl feel being behind a computer. Good day sir.

Rodman > Gasol

welcome to internet forums. quit crying like a bitch and stfu.

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oh and :lmao at the noob internet forum ass-kissers.

[Spur-Addict]

Rodman > Gasol

welcome to internet forums. quit crying like a bitch and stfu.

You're right, i'm wrong, allow me to go cry in the corner. Oh my, i'm speaking to a real basketball genius. LOL

I wonder how many games you've played with a Uni past the boys and girls club. LOSER.....Just stay a fan lol

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You're right, i'm wrong, allow me to go cry in the corner. Oh my, i'm speaking to a real basketball genius. LOL

I wonder how many games you've played with a Uni past the boys and girls club. LOSER.....Just stay a fan lol

lame

:sleep

[E20]

Here's a Jordan quote I copped off somebody's sig:

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying"

:smokin

[Spur-Addict]

"My body could stand the crutches but my mind couldn't stand the sideline.”