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06-01-2008, 10:36 PM
Saying goodbye to a postseason full of flops
by Kevin Hench
Updated: May 30, 2008, 12:40 PM EST
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8192174/Saying-goodbye-to-a-postseason-full-of-flops

Manu Ginobili just had the most brutal day of his career.

He's had worse games than his 9-point, 7-rebound effort against the Lakers as the Spurs were bounced out of the playoffs Thursday night. But that was nothing compared to the bitter blow he received earlier in the day when the NBA announced that next year it would begin fining floppers for their pantomime antics.
The news so totally depressed Ginobili he couldn't even bring himself to give us one farewell rendering of his signature whiplash, I've-been-mortally-wounded performance art pieces.

After enduring yet another postseason of its officials being subjected to comedy pratfalls straight out of a Buster Keaton movie, the league has finally decided too much is enough.
Word that the most flagrant fakers would be fined must have been a welcome development for fledgling NBA fan spokesperson Rasheed Wallace. Sheed spoke for all of us when he eloquently summed up our anti-flopping position after the Pistons' Game 5 loss to the Celtics.
"All that bull(expletive)-ass calls they had out there. With Mike (Callahan) and Kenny (Mauer) -- you've all seen that (expletive)," Wallace said. "You saw them calls. The cats are flopping all over the floor and they're calling that (expletive). That (expletive) ain't basketball out there. It's all (expletive) entertainment. You all should know that (expletive). It's all (expletive) entertainment."
That colorful cri de coeur cost Wallace $25,000. A small price to pay for speaking truth to power. Even as the league was levying the fine, it was, with its new mandate, admitting it had a problem.
Night after night in these playoffs the most incidental contact has been followed by the wild windmilling of arms and an exaggerated butt slide across the floor.
Why? Because it works. Over and over again NBA officials have been hoodwinked by acting jobs that upon further review were truly laughable.
The NBA brought the flopping epidemic on itself by rewarding such unethical behavior (see: San Antonio Spurs) with championship rings. As the league has countenanced the fakery, certain flops have evolved and been perfected over time.
Years ago all we had was "the Vlade" (also known as "the Laimbeer"). On this familiar play the defender commits a blocking violation by sliding into the path of a goal-bound opponent while A) exaggerating his verticality and B) launching himself backward upon contact. This has worked for decades despite replays that often would show a mere grazing of jerseys as the supposed force compelling the 280-pound center to the ground.
This playoff season has seen the rise of two more sinister flops. We'll call the first the Screen Role and the second the Klitschko.
On the Screen Role (not to be confused with the screen and roll), the role of flopper is played by a defender about to be screened. The moving screen is to basketball what offensive holding is to football; it often seems like the refs could call it on every play. But one way to bait a ref into the call is to anticipate the screen, throw yourself into the screener before he's set and then bounce off with a maximum of histrionics, preferably landing at the official's feet. Nobody can make a screen look like a 2-by-4 to the ribcage like Ginobili.
The Klitschko begins by crowding a ballhandler as he brings the ball upcourt. When the dribbler extends his off arm to protect the ball, the defender then launches himself across the court, arms flailing, as if he's been punched by Wladimir Klitschko.
Ginobili teammate Bruce Bowen has mastered this move and executed it to perfection on Chris Paul during a critical stretch in the third quarter of Game 6 in the conference semis. Bowen was running alongside Paul when the 175-pound point guard lifted his right arm and set it on Bowen's left hip. Upon feeling contact five feet beyond the 3-point line, Bowen flung himself so far and so convincingly he suckered an official into whistling Paul for his fourth foul with 9:50 to play in the third quarter. Despite minimal contact 30 feet from the basket, Bowen did not conclude his performance until he had run beyond the baseline, as if it took him that long to regain his balance after receiving this crunching hit. (Ben Wallace also grifted the refs with this move in the Eastern Conference semis, convincing them that a flick of Paul Pierce's left wrist at midcourt had sent his chiseled frame sprawling.)
While the Spurs' defense of their NBA title may have ended, their dominance of the All-Flop team is unchallenged.

They have Ginobili, the rare flopper who has mastered the art at both ends, and Bowen, the relentless irritating antagonist ready to go down at the first brush of retaliation. But they also have Kurt Thomas and Robert Horry, two aging floppers who make the lane look like the Pike Street Fish Market.
Horry has hit way too many huge shots and won too many rings for anyone (outside of Phoenix) to remember him for what he became in the twilight of his career: an inveterate flopper and occasional goon. But lest anyone forget his less-than-pretty decline phase here's a little visual evidence of Big Flop Rob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukde193ivM).
Then there's Tim Duncan. While he does flop on occasion, he is really in his own category, the whiningest winner and the winningest whiner in hoop history. Duncan claims to have been fouled on all his misses and half his makes. It's unbearable. Just ask Joey Crawford.
The greatest flopping non-Spur is the Cavs' Anderson Varejao. His technique and commitment to the craft are as good as anyone's, and his wild hair gives his performances that little extra out-of-control, spontaneous feel.
Pau Gasol merits an honorable mention for his crumple under the basket with 5:50 left in the fourth quarter of Game 5 against the Spurs. As Kobe Bryant's miss was coming off the rim, the 260-pound Gasol would have us believe he was forced to the ground by a hand in the back from the 180-pound Tony Parker.
When the first round in the Western Conference turned out to be a big letdown, there were plenty of candidates for biggest flop of the NBA playoffs.
Carmelo Anthony shot a dismal 36.4 percent with 12 turnovers and only eight assists as the Nuggets were routed by the Lakers. Leandro Barbosa clanked it to the tune of 34.5 percent shooting (22 percent from behind the arc) as the Mike D'Antoni Era ended in Phoenix. Josh Howard looked like he'd gotten a jump on his offseason self-medicating as he shot 29.2 percent with nine turnovers and sevens assists in the Mavs' first-round exit.
But thankfully the biggest flop of the playoffs was the flop itself. Hallelujah.


What an idiot. It's not like we're the only one's who flop. I wonder where the Chris Paul's flops come into this.

ChumpDumper
06-01-2008, 10:38 PM
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E20
06-01-2008, 10:38 PM
Someone lock this thread/delete it. No offense to the orginial poster.

SPARKY
06-01-2008, 10:39 PM
The flop obviously worked so well this postseason.

File this in the "Hey all you lard sandwich eaters, the Spurs are dirty that's why they won 4 championships" file.

ChumpDumper
06-01-2008, 10:41 PM
Really, did the sports media run out of actual journalists?

GSH
06-01-2008, 10:49 PM
Really, did the sports media run out of actual journalists?

Did you look at his picture? Everything about him says "child molester". Or maybe the spirit of Mister Rogers being channeled by Carrot Top.

I think he just likes to talk about large, athletic men "flopping". The basketball part is a cover story.

ChumpDumper
06-01-2008, 10:51 PM
Did you look at his picture?No, I posted it with my eyes closed.

ElNono
06-01-2008, 10:51 PM
I love the media hate. It means we're good. It means they're affraid we're going to be back on top again. Now, if we win again with the 'flopping' rule in place, what's going to be the excuse?

daslicer
06-01-2008, 10:57 PM
:ihit I would like to knock the shit out of this guy. It gets annoying hearing the crap about the spurs flopping when the team that went on a 3 peat before them had a bunch of floppers on there aka Dfish,Fox,Horry, etc. Those guys perfected and Manu saw how effective it worked and copied it. Also this current Laker group does it lot but nobody will bitch about it. Dfish,Radmonovich,Gasol,Vujaic, Turiaf those guys are floppers and I see no crying about it. If anything this rule would hurt them to. How will Dfish play defense when he is a sh1tty mediocre which is only mediocre because he can scare the opposing player with his flopping antics. I predict a lot high profile PG"s light his ass up for 30 a game next year.

SPARKY
06-01-2008, 10:57 PM
Really, did the sports media run out of actual journalists?

Consider their audience.

Bob Lanier
06-01-2008, 11:55 PM
Really, did the sports media run out of actual journalists?
There hasn't been an "actual journalist" covering the NBA since 1992.

They play their "storyline" cards and wonder why the fans think the league orchestrates things.

Blackjack
06-02-2008, 12:39 AM
:ihit I would like to knock the shit out of this guy. It gets annoying hearing the crap about the spurs flopping when the team that went on a 3 peat before them had a bunch of floppers on there aka Dfish,Fox,Horry, etc. Those guys perfected and Manu saw how effective it worked and copied it. Also this current Laker group does it lot but nobody will bitch about it. Dfish,Radmonovich,Gasol,Vujaic, Turiaf those guys are floppers and I see no crying about it. If anything this rule would hurt them to. How will Dfish play defense when he is a sh1tty mediocre which is only mediocre because he can scare the opposing player with his flopping antics. I predict a lot high profile PG"s light his ass up for 30 a game next year.

:toast

About Fisher though... I seem to remember him losing a step or two at the end of their title-run, and the Lakers giving up on him cuz they needed someone that could keep up with the quicker guards.

It seems a little strange(at his age) for him to have gotten stronger and quicker than when the Lakers let him go. The way Fisher's head is looking, maybe my boy Barry hooked a brother up. :stirpot:

NuGGeTs-FaN
06-02-2008, 12:53 AM
ummm what a joke

Sasha Suckavitch, ET and Kobe are still in the finals and they flail around and flop like they are slamon caught in a drought

porscha
06-02-2008, 01:13 AM
my god.. have the spurs killed this foxnews sucker's family or what? why all the hate to the spurs?

CP3 and Dirk are the biggest and ugliest flopper, why no one is even mention about it?

porscha
06-02-2008, 01:32 AM
my my.. I'm so mad...never mad like this to any other shitty anti-spurs article then this.

porscha
06-02-2008, 03:17 PM
:ihit:ihit:ihit

spursfan98
06-02-2008, 03:26 PM
i guess that means new orleans will suck next year. CP3 flops.
Oh and the suns too... NASH flops
and mavs.. Dirk
and lakers... dfish and kobe.
i guess the bobcats will win in 08.....

Gino
06-02-2008, 03:31 PM
Don't be so sensitive. Obviously Ginobili is the most famous flopper in the game.

He's cut back the theatrics since 2005, but the damage was done.

angel_luv
06-02-2008, 03:33 PM
Goodbye to a post season full of flops and hello to a major flop of an article.

:sleep

spursfan98
06-02-2008, 04:18 PM
im tired of people complaining about ginobili flopping. get over it. hes got 3 rings more than most players

Leetonidas
06-02-2008, 04:19 PM
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spurster
06-02-2008, 05:19 PM
Often, if a player doesn't flop when there is significant contact, no foul will be called. There will be some interesting cases if the NBA decides to try enforcing this, on the lines of "I flopped because I got clobbered the previous play and no call was made".

sedale threatt
06-02-2008, 06:50 PM
How do you write a farewell to the flop without mentioning Tony Parker's two special contributions to the art: grabbing your face while in the air (when you were bumped on the hip), and then staying on the ground four or five seconds like you're knocked out? Shameful journalism.

MarceloM!
06-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Stop to attack Manu. Fuck you! get over the flops. Losers, you writers of articles such this are a losers, and Manu is a winner. I hate your criticism.

spursfan98
06-02-2008, 08:17 PM
Stop to attack Manu. Fuck you! get over the flops. Losers, you writers of articles such this are a losers, and Manu is a winner. I hate your criticism.

+1,000,000

Fake Dynasty
06-02-2008, 08:25 PM
:toast

About Fisher though... I seem to remember him losing a step or two at the end of their title-run, and the Lakers giving up on him cuz they needed someone that could keep up with the quicker guards.

It seems a little strange(at his age) for him to have gotten stronger and quicker than when the Lakers let him go. The way Fisher's head is looking, maybe my boy Barry hooked a brother up. :stirpot:The truth is Manu is the most blatant flopper in the league. If you can't accept that, tough luck. Tony Parker falls to the ground more than anybody but Dwyane Wade - he'll make Stern plenty of money too. Kurt Thomas? Name a big man that flops more than his pancake-ass?

:wow Don't look now, but the Spurs are the most floppy team in the league. There's a reason ya'll got put on blast. Lakers flipped your floppin' asses right outta the playoffs. The same Laker team you thought had no chance of beating you, especially without Bynum or Ariza.

PS... Notice, Laker fans don't dedicate whole threads to injury excuses for Bynum and Ariza... we just went out made chumps out of champs and did what we do best: Keep Spurs fan obsessed with the Lakers.

ElNono
06-02-2008, 08:33 PM
The truth is Manu is the most blatant flopper in the league. If you can't accept that, tough luck.

Derek Fisher is the top flopper: http://82games.com/FSORT10.HTM

FAIL

Fake Dynasty
06-02-2008, 08:40 PM
Derek Fisher is the top flopper: http://82games.com/FSORT10.HTM

FAILUh nice try, but Manu flops twice as much as any other player in the league. The referees mistake his premeditated clumsiness as him being fouled. Fisher is just a hard worker and draws contact better than most in the league. There's a difference. Manu drives and then flops around like somebody shot him from the crowd. Fish is stocky enough to take the hit and get the call. He's just a solid defender that the Spurs would love to have as a compliment to Bruce "slappy" Bowen. Again, nice try.

Brutalis
06-02-2008, 08:41 PM
Goodbye to a post season full of flops and hello to a major flop of an article.

:sleep

spursfan98
06-02-2008, 08:41 PM
dont forget steve nash. he flops twice as much as manu

ElNono
06-02-2008, 08:43 PM
Uh nice try, but Manu flops twice as much as any other player in the league. The referees mistake his premeditated clumsiness as him being fouled. Fisher is just a hard worker and draws contact better than most in the league. There's a difference. Manu drives and then flops around like somebody shot him from the crowd. Fish is stocky enough to take the hit and get the call. He's just a solid defender that the Spurs would love to have as a compliment to Bruce "slappy" Bowen. Again, nice try.

Nice try? You think I made those numbers up?
Maybe you can't read... or you're just plain dumb... oh, wait, you're a Laker fan.
Plus, what are you trying to say? That Fish flops are 'cleaner' because he doesn't flail his arms? Keep talking, the more you talk the more stupid you look.

Fake Dynasty
06-02-2008, 09:24 PM
Fish doesn't flop, he takes hits. There's a difference. Nobody touches Manu and he false so bad that the opposing team's trainer is inclined to check on him and make sure he didn't fuckin' kill himself. Kurt Thomas telegraphs his flops worse than a Tim Duncan bank shot, yet he falls and gets calls. Tony Parker treats every drive to the basket like a one-man train wreck. The Spurs perform more flops than a fuckin waffle house. Stern will make plenty of money off of you guys.

sedale threatt
06-02-2008, 09:25 PM
The stat from 82games says that D Fish drew 54 offensive fouls. That could be an indicator of flopping, except he only fell down on about ten of them. He's just tough.

Big difference between pulling stats off of the internet and knowing the game.

ElNono
06-02-2008, 09:31 PM
Fish doesn't flop, he takes hits. There's a difference. Nobody touches Manu and he false so bad that the opposing team's trainer is inclined to check on him and make sure he didn't fuckin' kill himself. Kurt Thomas telegraphs his flops worse than a Tim Duncan bank shot, yet he falls and gets calls. Tony Parker treats every drive to the basket like a one-man train wreck. The Spurs perform more flops than a fuckin waffle house. Stern will make plenty of money off of you guys.

Fisher is the second coming of Vlade Divac, flopper extraordinaire.
Now you can keep your pink colored glasses and think whatever you want.
Let the rule speak for itself. We'll see at the end of next season who's got fined more.

sedale threatt
06-02-2008, 09:37 PM
The other thing, which anyone who's ever watched a Spurs game should know, is that flopping to draw a charging call is only one part of the modern game. There's flopping when you're screened, flopping when you're dribbiling, and my favorite--flopping when your team is trying to inbound the ball. I think Ginobli flopped three times in about five seconds when the Spurs were trying to inbound the ball in the final seconds of the Phoenix loss. He may have hurt himself.

GSH
06-02-2008, 09:51 PM
The truth is Manu is the most blatant flopper in the league.


Forget the article, and Manu. The irony of an L.A. resident pretending to have an exclusive handle on "the truth" is just too much. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

ElNono
06-02-2008, 10:02 PM
The other thing, which anyone who's ever watched a Spurs game should know, is that flopping to draw a charging call is only one part of the modern game. There's flopping when you're screened, flopping when you're dribbiling, and my favorite--flopping when your team is trying to inbound the ball. I think Ginobli flopped three times in about five seconds when the Spurs were trying to inbound the ball in the final seconds of the Phoenix loss. He may have hurt himself.

Manu gets his share of hits too. How many times have you seen him with a black eye or a cut? He scaled back a whole lot on his flopping this year. If you watched all 99 games this season, you would know that. There's way worse offenders in the league than Manu. Fisher flop cost Golden State the playoffs. Posey has been flopping all year long. And Varejao has made a living from the flop since he got into the league.

spursfan98
06-02-2008, 10:07 PM
Varejao = #1 flopper in nba
Nash = #2

cly2tw
06-03-2008, 01:49 AM
As the article pointed out, Spurs amassed the most sophisticated floppers currently playing in the NBA. Not only we Suns fans see that. That's why I wanted to share this article.

Blackjack
06-03-2008, 02:05 AM
Fisher deserves the Vlade Divac award for all the years of hard work. He's been nothing short of spectacular.

Manu, Iverson, Nash, Wade have all given performances that would bring a tear to Vlade's eye, but the king of kings. The man who takes Vlade's teaching to a whole new level(and might have to rename the award after) is.....

Reggie Evans. That dude is going places. :lol

cly2tw
06-03-2008, 02:16 AM
Fisher deserves the Vlade Divac award for all the years of hard work. He's been nothing short of spectacular.

Manu, Iverson, Nash, Wade have all given performances that would bring a tear to Vlade's eye, but the king of kings. The man who takes Vlade's teaching to a whole new level(and might have to rename the award after) is.....

Reggie Evans. That dude is going places. :lol

Watch the vid file in the article of the Horry flop vs. Boozer. You apparently missed the worst flopper only second to Manu.:lol Now, that'd be a real measuring stick for any flopping performance to be ranked into the master category. Manu, Oberto, Bowen, KT (barely), Varejao, next to Horry are the few with that kind of honor.

Anyways, the first team All-Floppers would be made up by Spurs players completely for sure. :lmao

BigZak
06-03-2008, 02:38 AM
PS... Notice, Laker fans ... did what we do best: Keep Spurs fan obsessed with the Lakers.


but you are the one posting on a spurs site...

angelbelow
06-03-2008, 02:48 AM
i think its gonna be damn hard to judge obvious flops most of the team. and you cant really directly correspond taking charges and flopping.

sendman
06-03-2008, 05:30 AM
Sorry to say this, but flops are here to stay. There is no way in hell that refs can be 100% that some player was really hit or did he flop.

I have another idea how to stop flopers.
League should hit them with big fines after suspicious situations are reviewed by the leagues experts. Players are professionals and most of them only care about their money.

TJastal
06-05-2008, 12:25 PM
I've been watching the nba for 25+ years, and nobody comes close to the flopping ridiculousness Derek Fisher has put in. Runner up would be Vlade Divac. But Fisher is the absolute king of flops, that guy should be fined his entire salary.

cherylsteele
06-05-2008, 12:33 PM
PS... Notice, Laker fans don't dedicate whole threads to injury excuses for Bynum and Ariza...
No you're right....they just bring it up in an article about something totally different. If injuries aren't a big deal why do you bring them up at all?

ChumpDumper
06-05-2008, 12:38 PM
lakerfan and sunfan complaining about flopping?

:lol

WildcardManu
06-05-2008, 01:13 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/8833189_6_1.jpg

A picture says a thousand words. :lol

Ed Helicopter Jones
06-05-2008, 02:12 PM
How are you going to fine flops?

Is the league going to start reviewing tape to determine a type I or type II flagrant flop?

The refs can't even do their jobs right as it is. Next step will be to add 2 more refs to every game, and then two more, and soon we'll have more refs on the court than players.

I'm sick of the gotdamn NBA. :pctoss

picnroll
06-05-2008, 02:24 PM
League should try to concentrate on getting obvious fouls right like when Fisher ran over Barry. Too bad Barry didn't flop a bit like Fisher or Kobe would have.

mrspurs
06-05-2008, 06:15 PM
Really, did the sports media run out of actual journalists?

meaning no disrepect.....imo with the internet and forums....whats the need for media writers, writer talkers.....not sure how much they make, but its to much..and i dont care what name is known for what.....go spurs:flag:

Mister Sinister
06-05-2008, 09:17 PM
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