Draft Prospect: Chris Douglas-Roberts

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/chris_douglas-roberts.jpg

Full Name: Chris Douglas-Roberts
Position: Guard
Height/Weight: 6-7 / 200
Birthdate: January 8, 1987
High School: Cass Technical HS
College: Memphis

NBA (http://www.nba.com/draft2008/profiles/ChrisDouglas-Roberts.html)
NBADraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/chrisdouglas-roberts.html)
DraftExpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Douglas-Roberts-506/)

[ducks]

good guy

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Why did he keep his maiden name?

[Spur-Addict]

Something tells me that a guard who is more physical would suit us better.

[JamStone]

Dude is buckets. Not overly athletic or quick and definitely not strong, but he just knows how to score. He'll find ways to score. I think he's a very good competitor as well.

[Pistons < Spurs]

If he lands in the lap of the Hornets like I expect, you all will be in trouble for a number of years.

CP3, CDR, Peja, West and Chandler is scaryyyyyyy

[ducks]

what pick do the hornets have?

[Pistons < Spurs]

what pick do the hornets have?

27th ... one pick after the Spurs.

[montgod]

I have seen him in some mock drafts going to the Spurs even though I think the biggest need is a SF who can score and defend well. CDR seems more on the SG side even though I like his game as well.

[hsxvvd]

He gets my vote. If he is on the board and we don't draft the guy, I'll be shattered.

If New Orleans draft him after us, as suggested in this thread, it's all over.

[K-State Spur]

He's a slasher who can finish around the rim with either hand. His jumper has gotten better every year (and that's without a coach like Chip). He's 6'6, but long.

Probably not an all-star level, but I think he'll be a steady contributor for a long time in the NBA.

I would have absolutely no complaints if we grabbed him at 26, regardless of who else is still on the board (within reason).

[FromWayDowntown]

An initial gut instinct for me is to think that CDR would be about as well as the Spurs can do if they're seeking a player who can bring some immediate youth and athleticism. He seems to be a ferocious competitor and a smart kid who plays his guts out on both ends.

[angelbelow]

I have seen him in some mock drafts going to the Spurs even though I think the biggest need is a SF who can score and defend well. CDR seems more on the SG side even though I like his game as well.


i agree because ideally we want a sf who can score and defend, but i wouldnt mind taking CDR even if he does end up being a sg. i think bowen will continue to start at SF next year so CDR might even start and manu comes off the bench, or their roles could switch. pop seems to be favoring the smaller line ups so manu could slide over to the sf position like he has been and play them together.

i would be happy if CDR fell into our laps.

[mountainballer]

I think there is a much better chance that CDR drops to our draft pick, than Rush.
he will be more of a high risk, high reward pick than for example Lee. if his style doesn't translate to the NBA, he will be out of the league soon and see a very nice career in Europe.

so it's a question of how much risk to take. CDR could develop into a very unique player in the Rip Hamilton mold, but also be another wasted pick. considering that the Spurs have wasted so many picks in the last years and that they don't have a 1st rounder 2009, I would rather chose a player like Lee, who has far less upside, but should be a save bet to become a helpful role player at worst.

[hsxvvd]

CDR could develop into a very unique player in the Rip Hamilton mold, but also be another wasted pick.

Watching him in Memphis before Rose arrived this year, I saw him as a Rip Hamilton type. He's thin, but also plays very tough. I think at the very worst he would be a Kerry Kittles, which would fill a void in our line up. Low risk in my opinion.

[Joe Schmoogins]

I'd love to see CDR as well. I strongly doubt he will fall that far, but like everyone else has said, if he does... we need to grab him. Some will probably disagree with me here... but he actually reminds me of Manu a bit, and I expect him to have a good long career in the NBA.

[timvp]

I'd like him at 26. Spurs need scoring and this guy is one of the most ready-made scorers in the draft. But I expect him to be picked around 18-22 area.

[mountainballer]

I'd like him at 26. Spurs need scoring and this guy is one of the most ready-made scorers in the draft. But I expect him to be picked around 18-22 area.
agree on this estimation. a small chance that he drops to 26 could be that also Budinger drops because of many concerns about him and that the team looking for a similar player like we do and picking ahead of us (Magic at 22) will have the choice between this two and go with Budinger. (in case they still pick CDR, there is a chance that we get Budinger)

[kobyz]

i think Brandon Rush fit to the spurs system better than him

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

i think Brandon Rush fit to the spurs system better than him

If you mean chillin in the corner and shooting the 3. CDR is a guy that can get his own shot, and in my estimation we already have a surplus of guys who are set-shooters and have no ability to create for themselves

[AA2120]

If you mean chillin in the corner and shooting the 3. CDR is a guy that can get his own shot, and in my estimation we already have a surplus of guys who are set-shooters and have no ability to create for themselves


Amen Brother!!

[Spur-Addict]

Watching him in Memphis before Rose arrived this year, I saw him as a Rip Hamilton type. He's thin, but also plays very tough. I think at the very worst he would be a Kerry Kittles, which would fill a void in our line up. Low risk in my opinion.

He'll never be like the players you've mentioned. They both had and have a natural and beautiful stroke. CDR does not. Unless he dramatically pulls a jumper from no where, he'll be a runner, an undersized (weight) defender who has limited range in regards to consistency. We need buckets, not buckets on opportunity. We need someone who will get them on the regular, he'll def fit in a running system like PHX or a team who runs alot like N.O

[K-State Spur]

i think Brandon Rush fit to the spurs system better than him

that's because Rush score a lot of points at KU by cherry picking for 3s or just waiting for collins/chalmers to drive the paint and kick to him.

i really think the Spurs need another wing who can create his own shot. TO DATE - that does not describe Rush.

[GSH]

Huge contributor to Memphis this past year. Under-rated playing in the shadow of Derrick Rose. High basketball IQ, character guy, hard worker, unselfish. Didn't declare last year because he was honest enough to know he needed another year do develop. Plays defense. Plays defense. Did I mention plays defense? He can put points on the board, and has shown he can do it under pressure. Has an in-between game, which the Spurs need desperately. I think he's a legit 6'7", which is decent length at the 2.

He's mature enough to come in and get minutes as a rookie. That's difficult to find outside the lottery picks. Big plus, since we need help this year.

One big thing is, he's a winner. He has that competitive fire that you see in the players that "do all the little things" during the course of a season.

[spursfan98]

good pick but mario and rush would both be better picks

[AFBlue]

If you mean chillin in the corner and shooting the 3. CDR is a guy that can get his own shot, and in my estimation we already have a surplus of guys who are set-shooters and have no ability to create for themselves

Caveat: CDR can get his own shot on the college level. I'm not sure he has the athleticism, speed, or strength to create his own shot on the NBA level.

Don't get me wrong...I agree with you in principle that the Spurs need to get a player that can create off the dribble, but I'm just not sure this is the guy.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He's not really 6'7". So basically, ya'll would like an undersized shooting guard that is not uber athletic and not known for good D.

prahps.

[T Park]

Sounds like another Chris Carawell.

[K-State Spur]

Caveat: CDR can get his own shot on the college level. I'm not sure he has the athleticism, speed, or strength to create his own shot on the NBA level.

Don't get me wrong...I agree with you in principle that the Spurs need to get a player that can create off the dribble, but I'm just not sure this is the guy.

i think CDR will be able to get to the rim in the NBA. probably not at will, but he'll make teams pay on switches and mismatches.

there's no way to know exactly how well his game will translate to the NBA. so maybe he will struggle to create his own shot in the pros. but you can compare that to a guy like rush - who couldn't even create his own shot in college.

[GSH]

He's not really 6'7". So basically, ya'll would like an undersized shooting guard that is not uber athletic and not known for good D.

prahps.

I saw him in person, and he's at least 6'6", which is tall enough at the 2. The measurements will be published soon, but this is what he has to say about it:

You've been listed at 6-5 earlier in your career, to 6-6, and now even 6-7 on Memphis' official website. What is your true height?
I was 6'5 in high school and my freshman year at Memphis I was 6'6. Our trainer measured me at the beginning of this season and I was 6'7. I won't be 21 until January 8th so I'm still growing. I'm a legit 6'7 now.

I don't know where you get the "not known for good D" information. That may not be the thing people talk about first, but that's understandable considering the numbers he put up. So he's not a defensive specialist. Memphis had a very good defense and he was pretty damned effective on that end of the floor.

It's always difficult to know how a player will translate to the NBA, but he's a hard worker, and seems willing to do whatever is asked.

Some years it may be OK to go after a "diamond in the rough", and guys with "huge upside potential". Right now, the Spurs need to fill some roster spots with players who can turn in quality minutes. They don't need any more players who never live up to their tremendous upside, or who we never get signed.

[Spurtacus]

I doubt he will be there at 26. If he is, then he's on top of my board. Spurs need a player that can create their own shot.

[TDfan2007]

I doubt we get him, but he would be a great fit.

[angelbelow]

I doubt we get him, but he would be a great fit.

you never know, acouple of mock drafts have the hornets taking him.

[kobyz]

i dont high on him, his strength in college was his slashing ability but i dont think that he have enough strength and athletic ability to finish around the basket in the NBA.

[bigdog]

I like his potential, but I don't think he's ready to contribute a whole lot to a team right now. I don't think he's as good off the dribble as some of you say, but he should be decent. let's see what happens.

[50 cent]

I like him. He's a slasher and has a nice mid range jumper. I think he would be able to contribute right away.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Anyone in this thread who says he doesn't play defense might as well just admit that you haven't watched Memphis or CDR play a game.

He can play great D, has a huge wingspan to work with, and can create his own shot (something the Spurs desperately need). Draft him and have Bowen teach him the tricks of the trade and you'd essentially have Bruce Bowen with handles and a more reliable jumper.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Laugh out loud
it was that other cat on memphis that was the good lanky defender. CDR is a 6 foor 5 scorer and that we simply do not need.

[Joe Schmoogins]

CDR is a scorer and that we simply do not need.

You're right... we've got way too many scorers already.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Laugh out loud
it was that other cat on memphis that was the good lanky defender. CDR is a 6 foor 5 scorer and that we simply do not need.

You're right, we sure did fill up the hoop against LA and New Orleans....

[timvp]

Chris Douglas-Roberts was reportedly “just OK” in the workout, which is similar feedback to what we’ve heard consistently over the past few weeks from different cities he’s been to. As we’ve discussed in the past, he’s not proven to be a great workout player, which might be pushing his terrific season with Memphis a little further out of teams’ minds.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/


Still wouldn't mind him at 26. He seems like a player who'd do better in games than in workouts.

[K-State Spur]

Still wouldn't mind him at 26. He seems like a player who'd do better in games than in workouts.

True. If his stock falls too far, that's a case of teams valuing the workout over the games.

He outplayed Rush in the championship game.

[mrspurs]

i dont see pop letting this guy play much....we cant afford another player in uniform shining the pine, we have to many already....get timmy some help and the rest of the team will be fine....imo

[Mr. Body]

This is our guy, I think...

Also, watch highlights of him. He has the same exact crazy push/set shot Manu gets off sometimes when driving partway into the lane.

[objective]

fwiw, Bob Kemp, an AZ radio personality and former national syndicated host who follows the NBA and NCAA closer than probably any everyday radio host anywhere, raves about CDR, and as of the Suns still being in the playoffs wanted the Suns to pick him at 15.

[K-State Spur]

He's got the potential to be a poor man's Josh Howard (who doesn't disappear with the game on the line).

[Russ]

Still wouldn't mind him at 26. He seems like a player who'd do better in games than in workouts.

Witness Memphis' NCAA tournament performances the last few years (even before Rose showed up).

[SenorSpur]

ESPN's Draft Prospect Review of CD-R

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19166&draftyear=2008

Chris Douglas-Roberts
Shooting Guard (Rank: #27) | 6-6, 195 | Age: 21
Memphis (Junior)
Hometown: Detroit

Positives: Smooth swingman who excels at getting to the basket. Good quickness. Good at breaking down defenders off the dribbler. Good finisher around the basket. Good midrange game. Good ball handler. Excellent basketball IQ. Wiry strong. Good defender who really can harass an opponent.

Draft Projection: Mid to late first round

Negatives: Needs to improve his long-range jump shot. He shot the ball consistently from 3-point range this year, but he didn't take a lot of them. Could add some bulk to his frame. For someone with such good ball skills, he rarely gives up the rock. A good athlete, but not a great one.

Summary: Douglas-Roberts is one of the more underrated players in the country. He really benefited from having Derrick Rose in the lineup with hm this year. It took some pressure off him as a go-to scorer and gave him a point guard who can set him up for easy shots. For someone so productive, scouts have been a little mixed on him. He's a likely mid-to-late first-round pick.

[GSH]

i dont see pop letting this guy play much....we cant afford another player in uniform shining the pine, we have to many already....get timmy some help and the rest of the team will be fine....imo

I don't see anybody that we can realistically get at 26 that has as good of a chance of not riding the bench all year. I still say this is the best shot at a player who can contribute minutes the first year.

A couple of stats that I haven't seen anyone mention are his True Shooting Percentage, and Effective Field Goal Percentage. His are both among the very best of the SG's in this draft. The guys who rate high in those stats are usually long-range bombers who put up tons of 3's. He isn't one of those. He can shoot the 3 ball, but he doesn't stand outside the arc and shoot away. He's just very damned efficient with his shots. Or to put it another way, he has a knack for putting the ball in the hole. If you've watched him play, you understand.

I think that part of his game will translate well enough into the NBA. I remember too many times this season when the Spurs would go into those scoring droughts, and it looked like nobody on the team wanted to take the shot. I don't think that would ever be a problem for this guy, because he knows he can knock them down. Having that on your team is a hell of an asset.

[angelbelow]

ESPN's Draft Prospect Review of CD-R

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19166&draftyear=2008

Chris Douglas-Roberts
Shooting Guard (Rank: #27) | 6-6, 195 | Age: 21
Memphis (Junior)
Hometown: Detroit

Positives: Smooth swingman who excels at getting to the basket. Good quickness. Good at breaking down defenders off the dribbler. Good finisher around the basket. Good midrange game. Good ball handler. Excellent basketball IQ. Wiry strong. Good defender who really can harass an opponent.

Draft Projection: Mid to late first round

Negatives: Needs to improve his long-range jump shot. He shot the ball consistently from 3-point range this year, but he didn't take a lot of them. Could add some bulk to his frame. For someone with such good ball skills, he rarely gives up the rock. A good athlete, but not a great one.

Summary: Douglas-Roberts is one of the more underrated players in the country. He really benefited from having Derrick Rose in the lineup with hm this year. It took some pressure off him as a go-to scorer and gave him a point guard who can set him up for easy shots. For someone so productive, scouts have been a little mixed on him. He's a likely mid-to-late first-round pick.

hopefully his offensive skills translate to the NBA if we take him. he could help out in the 6th man department and we can start ginobili. seeing that he is a slasher and likes to take the ball to the rim, he can fit ginobilis scoring role (although he doesnt have a 3point shot) and ginobili can start for us.

[GSH]

although he doesnt have a 3point shot


DraftExpress: Just to follow up on the shooting. Last time I checked you shot around 53% from the field and around 42% from three, so that would indicate you’re a pretty good shooter no?

Chris Douglas-Roberts: Yea, that’s the logical thing, but there are still some doubts. I really don’t know what they see, but that’s their doubt in their mind. But it is tough sometimes, because you see how much you’ve improved your shot and people are saying that you aren’t a great shooter. You know I’d rather get to the basket anyway, but I’ll look to shoot the jump shot.

DraftExpress: If you had to pick really one thing that you learned from Coach Calipari, what would that be?

Chris Douglas-Roberts: How to deal with the coach. Coach plays a lot of mind games and you have to be mentally tough to play for him; I’m sure it’s the same way in the NBA. So being really successful in the game comes a lot from what I learned from Coach.

DraftExpress: Aside from your physical abilities as a player, what is the most important thing you can offer an NBA franchise?

Chris Douglas-Roberts: I feel I bring a lot of character to an NBA team. Attitude is a big thing, and I think I bring one to the locker room that a lot of players don’t have.

[kobyz]

i have a lot of doubts on him has a first rounder

[Mr. Body]

A couple of stats that I haven't seen anyone mention are his True Shooting Percentage, and Effective Field Goal Percentage. His are both among the very best of the SG's in this draft. The guys who rate high in those stats are usually long-range bombers who put up tons of 3's. He isn't one of those. He can shoot the 3 ball, but he doesn't stand outside the arc and shoot away. He's just very damned efficient with his shots. Or to put it another way, he has a knack for putting the ball in the hole. If you've watched him play, you understand.

Adding to what you say, a good amount of his success with these stats is how much he goes to the line. Not only does he get to the hoop, he draws and sells a lot of contact there. One hopes he can improve his percentage from the line, where he's merely average, but he definitely puts pressure on defenses by breaking them down but also putting defenders in foul trouble. That's something that may continue in the NBA - a player doesn't lose his craftiness in creating contact.

[timvp]

CDR has that crafty Detroit game. Good instincts and solid basketball IQ. If the Spurs drafted him and he lived up to his potential, he'd be a very nice addition. He's the type of player that can carry an offense for 5 to 10 minutes. Plus in college, he might have taken less dumb shots than anyone. He knows the game and as long as he's big and athletic enough, there's no reason why he can't be at least a 7th or 8th man in a rotation.

Considering he actually has two healthy knees, CDR and Chalmers have to be the safest picks.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Draft Report: Chris Douglas-Roberts


Chris Douglas-Roberts is a prime example of an excellent college swingman with questions about whether or not he has enough tools to succeed on the NBA level.

He needs to become stronger and is also far from being spectacular in the air athletically although instances like a reverse dunk on a fastbreak against Gonzaga certainly helps dispel that notion. He has good in-air body control on finishes when he gets some space and was more confident with his athleticism during his junior season, but he loses that when he gets bumped.

The lack of strength in his core causes him to not be as balanced as he needs to be since his center of gravity is too far out in front of him.

What he does do well, of course, is score. He has improved his perimeter shot dramatically this season and became a good 3-point shooter. The increase, in no small part, was due to how well Derrick Rose frees up everyone on the floor allowing very few of those 3-point attempts to be tightly contested.

The mechanics of his perimeter shot could certainly improve. His misses often look really bad and are left/right as much as short/long. He doesn’t extend his follow through very well, allows his left hand too much impact, and his balance issues also affect his accuracy although he does consistently elevate well.

Unless his results are there immediately, his mechanics will need to be reshaped.

His mid-range game is very good as he works well without the ball, almost always moving around whether on the perimeter or in the middle of the paint. Douglas-Roberts will cut strong baseline for backdoors and also curls up to the elbow well.

He has an awkward looking push shot; when he gets inside 15-feet, he uses that religiously although it is effective.

There are a whole host of skills he exhibits once he gets the ball in the mid-range.

He can beat his man off the dribble and get himself into the lane for pull-up jumpers and runners. He also goes well to the baseline before shooting soft teardrops.

But his post game and perimeter non-catch-and-shoot work is mostly based on dribbling in place and then making a sudden move. He rarely makes any pre-dribble jab steps or shot fakes, which is something he’ll be unable to get away with in the NBA.

He is a below-average passer, showing little imagination or crispness evidenced by a bad assist to turnover ratio.

Defensively, he should have been better on-ball against the ordinary competition he faced in Conference-USA. He gets beat off the dribble because of those balance issues and is clearly not as quick laterally as he needs to be to guard top NBA shooting guards.

Furthermore, he is frequently prone to getting backdoored. What he does do well defensively is utilizing his long arms to get his hands on passes.

He should have a decent pro career, but his liabilities defensively will likely offset what he delivers offensively.


http://realgm.com/src_fromtherafters/193/20080617/draft_report_chris_douglas_roberts_of_memphis/

[Silverheart80]

I was already onboard the CDR train before I read that latest draft report. Just further confirms my feeling that CDR is a terrific fit for us. We've got an asset that every other team wishes they had -- Chip Engelland. I'd really like to see CDR after Engelland rebuilds his shooting stroke. But of course, now that I've got my hopes up.....he'll probably be off the board before we can get to him. :bang

[Russ]

How about this:

Upside: Steve Smith (young and pre-knee injuries)

Downside: Chris Carrawell

I lean more to the upside.

[K-State Spur]

How about this:

Upside: Steve Smith (young and pre-knee injuries)

Downside: Chris Carrawell

I lean more to the upside.

I'm not sure that Smith's a good comp. He was much more a pure shooter coming out of MSU. CDR is more of a scorer.

I also think that CDR has the potential to be a superior defender.

[T Park]

Yeah I gotta say this guy is my number 1 choice for the draft.

Chris Douglas Roberts has potential to be a really really solid shooting guard.

IMO hed have a great shot at starting.

[K-State Spur]

yeah, i mentioned it earlier in the thread, but you can draw some comparisons between him and Josh Howard before he got drafted.

guys who produced against quality competition, had recently developed jumpers, are long for their size, and it was questioned whether their athletic ability would translate to the NBA. Now, Howard is an inch or two taller than CDR.

[Mr. Body]

Now, Howard is an inch or two taller than CDR.

You sure about that?

[K-State Spur]

never sure of anything. my guess is CDR is about 6'5.5, and Howard was around 6'6.5.

But hey, if I'm wrong, then it only emphasizes my comparison :).

[Mr. Body]

never sure of anything. my guess is CDR is about 6'5.5, and Howard was around 6'6.5.

But hey, if I'm wrong, then it only emphasizes my comparison :).

Regardless, Howard is more a SF and CDR a SG. I only wish Douglas-Roberts rebounded nearly as well as Howard.

Anyone know JH's rebounding stats at Wake Forest?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Anyone know JH's rebounding stats at Wake Forest?

4.7 his 1st year, 5.9 his 2nd, 7.7 his 3rd, 8.3 his 4th.

[Mr. Body]

4.7 his 1st year, 5.9 his 2nd, 7.7 his 3rd, 8.3 his 4th.

Holy crap. How did we not draft this guy?@?@??@?!?!!?!

[AFBlue]

Not ready to jump on the CDR train just yet, but I wouldn't be disappointed if he were the pick.

As much as I think the Spurs need a scorer versus a shooter, I'm just not sold on CDRs ability to be that guy on the NBA level. Something tells me he's too skinny and not relatively quick enough to be the scorer he was in college.

I think I'm probably more down on him than most anyone in here....except for the guy who said the Spurs didn't need a scorer and that CDR was a short shooting guard.

If the Spurs take him, I'll trust their scouting and hope for the best. But to be honest, I think I'd rather have the guy with bum knees or the backup PG who won't average over 15mpg with the Spurs...and that's probably saying something.

Also, has anyone seen a quote or article that indicates the Spurs are interested? I know it probably means nothing if there isn't anything out there, but I was just curious.

[Russ]

Also, has anyone seen a quote or article that indicates the Spurs are interested? I know it probably means nothing if there isn't anything out there, but I was just curious.

If there isn't anything out there it may actually mean they are interested. :flag: (Knowing the Spurs.)

[Silverheart80]

Actually, Tony -- as soon as you hear that the Spurs are interested in CDR, that's when you know there's no way in hell we're taking him (if past years are any indication).....to answer your question though -- no, I haven't seen anything yet....which is good for people like me, because I'm crossing my fingers for this guy.

[koopa]

Holy crap. How did we not draft this guy?@?@??@?!?!!?!

rc is our gm, that's all you need to know

[T Park]

Now hes a pot smoking worthless choke on the Mavericks.

Yeah I'm broke up over it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Negatives: Needs to improve his long-range jump shot. He shot the ball consistently from 3-point range this year, but he didn't take a lot of them.

Wait, his negative is he wasn't a chucker on a loaded team? :lol

[GSH]

Not ready to jump on the CDR train just yet, but I wouldn't be disappointed if he were the pick.

As much as I think the Spurs need a scorer versus a shooter, I'm just not sold on CDRs ability to be that guy on the NBA level. Something tells me he's too skinny and not relatively quick enough to be the scorer he was in college.

I think I'm probably more down on him than most anyone in here....except for the guy who said the Spurs didn't need a scorer and that CDR was a short shooting guard.

If the Spurs take him, I'll trust their scouting and hope for the best. But to be honest, I think I'd rather have the guy with bum knees or the backup PG who won't average over 15mpg with the Spurs...and that's probably saying something.

Also, has anyone seen a quote or article that indicates the Spurs are interested? I know it probably means nothing if there isn't anything out there, but I was just curious.

CDR is listed at 6'7", 200 lbs, although he has supposedly bulked up a bit. Manu is listed at 6'6", 205 lbs. So is Manu too skinny?

Would you call Manu a freakish athlete, or an incredible pure shooter? Nope. But he has always had a knack for putting the ball in the hole. Not saying that CDR will ever be the player that Manu is. But there are some similarities. I don't think you would understand Manu's game if you only saw him in a workout. If you watched CDR in a game, you would understand his value better.

He looks awkward on the court, and people describe his game as "unorthodox". And I think that makes some people discount what he does, like "it's just luck when a shot like that goes in." But when a guy keeps doing it game after game, it's not luck. The numbers don't lie.

The other thing that I think is important is that he has improved every year. His numbers got better, but so did his decision making. And the little stuff. They say that last year he went to the right 61% of the time when driving to the basket. This year he evened it out to 49%. That isn't coincidence. He worked on it because he understood that gave defenders an edge. It's hard to overcome a natural tendency like that - just ask Manu.

There is no doubt that he's never faced NBA competition. I just think he is one of those guys who finds a way. And maybe his unorthodox style will even help him.


Wait, his negative is he wasn't a chucker on a loaded team? :lol

Yeah. Go figure. You gotta hate a guy with a mid-range game.

[Mr. Body]

Manu is really the guy for comparisons for CDR. They're aren't the same, obviously, in many ways, but their offensive games are incredibly similar for the reasons GSH goes through. They're both wily slashers who are deceptively athletic. They get off shots they shouldn't, hit spaces in unorthodox ways, and they even shoot from outside with similar forms.

CDR will never be Manu, but at least as far as surface aesthetics go.

[AFBlue]

Wait, his negative is he wasn't a chucker on a loaded team? :lol

He was the leading scorer on his team and was a focus on offense night in and night out.

I think the criticism is that his improved percentages may not actually be a true reflection of his ability to consistenly hit long-range shots.

[K-State Spur]

He was the leading scorer on his team and was a focus on offense night in and night out.

I think the criticism is that his improved percentages may not actually be a true reflection of his ability to consistenly hit long-range shots.

Well, he did shoot a more than respectable 41% from 3, can't make any of those from closer than 20 feet.

[AFBlue]

CDR is listed at 6'7", 200 lbs, although he has supposedly bulked up a bit. Manu is listed at 6'6", 205 lbs. So is Manu too skinny?

Would you call Manu a freakish athlete, or an incredible pure shooter? Nope. But he has always had a knack for putting the ball in the hole. Not saying that CDR will ever be the player that Manu is. But there are some similarities. I don't think you would understand Manu's game if you only saw him in a workout. If you watched CDR in a game, you would understand his value better.

He looks awkward on the court, and people describe his game as "unorthodox". And I think that makes some people discount what he does, like "it's just luck when a shot like that goes in." But when a guy keeps doing it game after game, it's not luck. The numbers don't lie.

The other thing that I think is important is that he has improved every year. His numbers got better, but so did his decision making. And the little stuff. They say that last year he went to the right 61% of the time when driving to the basket. This year he evened it out to 49%. That isn't coincidence. He worked on it because he understood that gave defenders an edge. It's hard to overcome a natural tendency like that - just ask Manu.

There is no doubt that he's never faced NBA competition. I just think he is one of those guys who finds a way. And maybe his unorthodox style will even help him.

Okay, I get the comparison and understand where you're coming from. He was the "Manu" for college, but I still have doubt as to whether he can have similar impact or be as effective in the NBA. I guess time will tell.

[AFBlue]

Well, he did shoot a more than respectable 41% from 3, can't make any of those from closer than 20 feet.

I was referring to sample size.

Tony Parker also hit 3's at better than a 40% clip two years ago, but I don't think he's that consistent of a 3pt shooter if he doubles the attempts.

Same concept.

[GSH]

Okay, I get the comparison and understand where you're coming from. He was the "Manu" for college, but I still have doubt as to whether he can have similar impact or be as effective in the NBA. I guess time will tell.

Heh. If any of us knew that, we'd be on the payroll. Or they would be on our payroll. Your point is 100% valid.

[AFBlue]

Either way, I'm not bashing this guy or saying I'd be disappointed if the Spurs drafted him. I just wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a marginal NBA player.

Disagree if you want, that's what forums are for. If he ends up being a stud (hopefully for the Spurs if that's the case) then I'll happily eat crow.

[Spur-Addict]

If he can develop a consistent jump shot then he'll be fine.

[K-State Spur]

I was referring to sample size.

Tony Parker also hit 3's at better than a 40% clip two years ago, but I don't think he's that consistent of a 3pt shooter if he doubles the attempts.

Same concept.

CDR averaged 3 attempts out there per game (120 on the season). that's not that small a sample

that's more than Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, Russell Westbrook, Joe Alexander.

it's only half a shot less per game than Rush or Chalmers.

[AFBlue]

CDR averaged 3 attempts out there per game (120 on the season). that's not that small a sample

that's more than Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, Russell Westbrook, Joe Alexander.

it's only half a shot less per game than Rush or Chalmers.

Thanks for the info...won't argue that. Didn't look at the numbers, just read the scouting reports.

Either way, I've said my piece on it.

[Russ]

Either way, I'm not bashing this guy or saying I'd be disappointed if the Spurs drafted him. I just wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a marginal NBA player.

I wouldn't be surprised if anyone the Spurs draft at 26 ends up being marginal (or worse).

[Marcus Bryant]

I think this year they actually pull someone halfways decent. Granted, it's a small sample, but the last two low 1st round picks the Spurs have taken and brought in the next season are still in the league, and one's an All-Star.

[AFBlue]

I wouldn't be surprised if anyone the Spurs draft at 26 ends up being marginal (or worse.)

Good point, though it's an awfully pessimistic view at this point. Wait until we draft Jawai, then let the pessimism sink in.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Wait until we draft Jawai, then let the pessimism sink in.

:depressed

[Marcus Bryant]

Good point, though it's an awfully pessimistic view at this point. Wait until we draft Jawai, then let the pessimism sink in.

Remember when Pop told us Cory Alexander was just like Tim Hardaway?

Yeah, it'd be like that.

[GSH]

This page has an ESPN video breakdown of CDR: http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3441681&categoryId=2459792&n8pe6c=2&brand=expn?dfsdf

This page has a link to a video interview with CDR, after a T-Wolves workout:
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/video_chris_douglas_roberts_080617.html

This one is after a Golden State workout:
http://www.hoopsfantasy.com/chris-douglas-roberts-interview-nba-draft/

[K-State Spur]

Thanks for the info...won't argue that. Didn't look at the numbers, just read the scouting reports.

Either way, I've said my piece on it.

I hear you. Whenever these services scout a player that I have watched quite a bit of (i.e. Beasley, Walker, Rush, Chalmers) - I find them to be way off.

Makes me real curious where they get there info.

[T Park]

Remember when Pop told us Cory Alexander was just like Tim Hardaway?

Yeah, it'd be like that.

If Cory Alexander had ever grown a brain and listened to Pop, he could've been a pretty darn good point maybe.

I think CDR is a money pick and if the Spurs take him, I think he goes into the starting 5 pretty soon into the season.

Draft him, hopefully a decent point guard, then have fun with the MLE and LLE.

[objective]

here's an idea not just for CDR but for any player the Spurs like but fear might be slightly out of reach.

Considering the financial hardships that the Seattle ownership group is going to go through with relocation no matter what, Seattle might be willing to swap the 24 for the 26 with the only incentive being cash considerations.

Moving up two spots could make a big difference in this draft and could be the difference in having a shot at CDR, Lee, Rush, Batum, Walker et al on the board and not having anyone there except Roy Hibbert.

[K-State Spur]

If Cory Alexander had ever grown a brain and listened to Pop, he could've been a pretty darn good point maybe.

I think CDR is a money pick and if the Spurs take him, I think he goes into the starting 5 pretty soon into the season.

Draft him, hopefully a decent point guard, then have fun with the MLE and LLE.

corey was never the same player after breaking his leg his junior year.

that guy was the most explosive player in an ACC that included Grant Hill, Jerry Stackhouse, Joe Smith, et al.

not that he would have made it otherwise, but it certainly didn't help him.

[T Park]

I thought he had broken his feet?

[objective]

I remember it being his ankle.

[DMX7]

I rather have a backup point guard. This guy is first class though, I hope he does well.

[K-State Spur]

I thought he had broken his feet?

it was his foot.

[timvp]

The most impressive thing about CDR is his ability to put the ball in the basket. He’s shot over .500 all 3 seasons he’s played college ball. FG Pct. has long been an important stat in evaluating prospects. It’s a sign of how easily a player scores. For SGs, the pass/fail level in FG pct. has been around .425. A player has to be above that number to be considered a serious prospect. The best ones have been closer to .500 though.

....

Any college SG who scores as often and efficiently as Douglas-Roberts has to be considered a strong prospect. As a junior he started to hit the 3-pointer effectively for the first time, drilling it at a .413 rate. The non-scoring numbers could only be called adequate at best, but they’re good enough. The A/TO is low, but it’s not like he’s TO-prone. He actually has a comparatively low number of TOs. He just doesn’t get a lot of assists and that could have as much to do with the Memphis offense as anything. The numbers say Chris Douglas-Roberts should have a solid career. His strength will be scoring and he definitely has the potential to become a perennial 20+ PPG guy. The defense and passing parts of his game look like they need some work, though he’s good enough that he won’t be overmatched.

http://hoopsanalyst.com/0708ew15.htm

I'm starting to like CDR more and more. But I think with Budinger pulling out, that really hurt the chances of CDR falling to 26. I see him going in the 19-23 range to a team who otherwise probably would have taken Budinger.

[A.H 21-50]

I'm starting to like CDR more and more. But I think with Budinger pulling out, that really hurt the chances of CDR falling to 26. I see him going in the 19-23 range to a team who otherwise probably would have taken Budinger.

me too
i like this guy since i saw him during the final four , he could be a hugue addition , i think the spurs needs someone who can be a menace offensivly and he's the guy
also i think he have a big potential

[Ocotillo]

here's an idea not just for CDR but for any player the Spurs like but fear might be slightly out of reach.

Considering the financial hardships that the Seattle ownership group is going to go through with relocation no matter what, Seattle might be willing to swap the 24 for the 26 with the only incentive being cash considerations.

Moving up two spots could make a big difference in this draft and could be the difference in having a shot at CDR, Lee, Rush, Batum, Walker et al on the board and not having anyone there except Roy Hibbert.

With that in mind, on draft day we may be watching the draft and see Seattle draft a coveted player and we all collectively groan. Only to have Stern come to the podium and announce a pre-arranged trade and Seattle was drafting on our behalf.

Good thought.

[Mr. Body]

If Memphis or another team leapfrogs Orlando and grabs Courtney Lee, the Magic may wind up taking CDR ahead of us.

[Marcus Bryant]

With that in mind, on draft day we may be watching the draft and see Seattle draft a coveted player and we all collectively groan. Only to have Stern come to the podium and announce a pre-arranged trade and Seattle was drafting on our behalf.

Good thought.


I would not be surprised.

With the trade exception the Spurs may be able to help Seattle pare some payroll. The Spurs could agree to take Adrian Griffin's contract using the Beno trade exception. That would save the Sonics roughly $1.6 mil.

Here's another idea...

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4662756

That would knock off about $250K per season for the Sonics. Throw in some amount of cash to make it worth their while and perhaps a future pick.

[T Park]

Could you then package the 24 and 26 for a lower pick then to get a CDR?

Of course again, this is prefaced with WE are interested in him, but the Spurs MAY NOT be.

Wich would be a shame.

[Marcus Bryant]

Could you then package the 24 and 26 for a lower pick then to get a CDR?

Of course again, this is prefaced with WE are interested in him, but the Spurs MAY NOT be.

Wich would be a shame.

Giving up the #24 and 26 for, say, the 21, wouldn't be a good deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe one of those and a 2nd round pick would work.

[Buddy Holly]

This may be a major pipe dream or not but...

Tony/House or Jarrett
Manu/Barry/CDR
Artest/Bowen/Udoka
Tim/Ian
Oberto/Thomas

IR:

Viktor
Javatokas...?

With a Serge or Batum overseas for a season or two.

[urunobili]

This may be a major pipe dream or not but...

Tony/House or Dixon
Manu/Barry/CDR
Artest/Bowen/Viktor
Tim/Ian
Oberto/Thomas

With a Serge or Batum overseas for a season or two.

i would change House for Jarret Jack...

[Buddy Holly]

i would change House for Jarret Jack...

I wouldn't mind Jarrett at all.

[timvp]

It sounds like CDR is dropping. I'm guessing mostly due to him not being a workout wonder and not being the best of interview. CDR is the most likely player to drop to the Spurs that fits their needs.

Chad Ford says that a lot of teams have the tiers like this:

Tier 5
Alexis Ajinca
Nicolas Batum
Mario Chalmers
Roy Hibbert
J.J. Hickson
Serge Ibaka
Courtney Lee
Robin Lopez
JaVale McGee
Marreese Speights
Ante Tomic

Tier 6
Ryan Anderson
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Jamont Gordon
Nathan Jawai
Jason Thompson
Bill Walker
D.J. White

Rush has moved up to the point that he's not even in the picture anymore at 26. Chalmers has moved up to the 15-22 range. Lee has moved up to the 18-22 range. Batum is a bit of a wild card but I can see him going as high as Portland at 13. I could also see a scenario in which Batum falls to the second round. He's hard to gauge right now.

CDR could go at 22 but there's a pretty good shot he'll be there at 26 ... especially if Ford's tiers are correct. I'd be happy with that selection. I don't care if CDR isn't a great athlete or isn't a good interview or didn't score well on the Wonderlich or had a sketchy background check ... he can score and that's what the Spurs need.

CDR at 26, Dorsey or Hendrix at 45 and Dragic at 57.

:smokin

[AFBlue]

I bet CDR drops to the Spurs at #26....and the Spurs trade out of the first round to pick up a couple second rounders from T-Wolves or Blazers.

[SPURSGOAT]

It sounds like CDR is dropping. I'm guessing mostly due to him not being a workout wonder and not being the best of interview. CDR is the most likely player to drop to the Spurs that fits their needs.

Chad Ford says that a lot of teams have the tiers like this:

Tier 5
Alexis Ajinca
Nicolas Batum
Mario Chalmers
Roy Hibbert
J.J. Hickson
Serge Ibaka
Courtney Lee
Robin Lopez
JaVale McGee
Marreese Speights
Ante Tomic

Tier 6
Ryan Anderson
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Jamont Gordon
Nathan Jawai
Jason Thompson
Bill Walker
D.J. White

Rush has moved up to the point that he's not even in the picture anymore at 26. Chalmers has moved up to the 15-22 range. Lee has moved up to the 18-22 range. Batum is a bit of a wild card but I can see him going as high as Portland at 13. I could also see a scenario in which Batum falls to the second round. He's hard to gauge right now.

CDR could go at 22 but there's a pretty good shot he'll be there at 26 ... especially if Ford's tiers are correct. I'd be happy with that selection. I don't care if CDR isn't a great athlete or isn't a good interview or didn't score well on the Wonderlich or had a sketchy background check ... he can score and that's what the Spurs need.

CDR at 26, Dorsey or Hendrix at 45 and Dragic at 57.

:smokin

All we have a shot at are the Tier 6 players probably... still not a bad selection... I like CDR.... too bad Chalmers, Rush, and Lee will now be out of reach unless the Spurs move up or somehow get an earlier pick like #22...

[SenorSpur]

I'm liking him a lot too. At this point, I don't really care about his apparent flaws either. It sounds like CDR will, at the very least, help address the one area where the Spurs struggled most last season and in the playoffs - SCORING.

[T Park]

Bring him the F on.

Please let this happen.

[Guajalote]

From what I've seen and heard, the Spurs need:

1. A backup point
2. A "long" three
3. A center
4. Scoring

Wouldn't CDR do nicely for helping with #2 & 4 on the list? I saw him interviewed during the tournament on Jim Rome's show and he seemed like he had a good head on his shoulders. Plus, unless I'm mistaken, I seem to remember him helping out with ballhandling assignments, especially during presses. This would make him another Brent Barry.

Bringing him in could free us to pursue Artest if we wanted.

[Udokafan05]

We need to take CDR, and not make the mistake of letting a good talent pass us by. New Orleans is going to draft CDR if we dont. I wanted them to draft josh howard, but instead they let dallas get him.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

mass enthusiasm for an undersized non athletic scorer

meh

ron mercer v 2.0

[Holt's Cat]

Find your scoring in free agency and your gritty gutty hustling role players in the draft.

[T Park]

We need to take CDR, and not make the mistake of letting a good talent pass us by. New Orleans is going to draft CDR if we dont. I wanted them to draft josh howard, but instead they let dallas get him.

Yeah and hes singlehandidly wrecking the Mavericks.

[SenorSpur]

Yeah and hes singlehandidly wrecking the Mavericks.

OK. So Howard has made some dumb-ass, undisciplined mistakes this past season. Still cannot deny his on-court contributions over the past 5 seasons. He's someone who could've helped the Spurs and they should not have overlooked this. I hope they don't make the same mistake with CDR.

[Bartleby]

Yeah and hes singlehandidly wrecking the Mavericks.

Nah, he got lots of help from Cuban.

[urunobili]

OK. So Howard has made some dumb-ass, undisciplined mistakes this past season. Still cannot deny his on-court contributions over the past 5 seasons. He's someone who could've helped the Spurs and they should not have overlooked this. I hope they don't make the same mistake with CDR.

:tu

[T Park]

OK. So Howard has made some dumb-ass, undisciplined mistakes this past season. Still cannot deny his on-court contributions over the past 5 seasons. He's someone who could've helped the Spurs and they should not have overlooked this. I hope they don't make the same mistake with CDR.

This past season?

Try the past 3 seasons.

Hes a good regular season player, but his playoff contributions are shit.

[SenorSpur]

This past season?

Try the past 3 seasons.

Hes a good regular season player, but his playoff contributions are shit.

Come to think of it, he's a first-half all-star, who doesn't show up in the 2nd half. The Mavs probably should've unloaded him earlier when his value was higher.

Still the point being, the Spurs should've drafted him. If they didn't like him, at worse they would've had a tradeable asset. They have so few assets now as it is.

[T Park]

Come to think of it, he's a first-half all-star, who doesn't show up in the 2nd half. The Mavs probably should've unloaded him earlier when his value was higher.

Still the point being, the Spurs should've drafted him. If they didn't like him, at worse they would've had a tradeable asset. They have so few assets now as it is.


Shoulda woulda coulda.

Does zero good to MR Body about stuff 5 years after it happened.

[Tully365]

He says Derrick Rose has come close.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-339/Chris-Douglas-Roberts-Can-t-Lose.html?post=true

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/stories/wwl062408bhdouglasroberts.3646a6a0.html

[T Park]

Shame the Spurs could have this guy and probobly won't get him.

[Sway]

Man I really hope we get this guy. His 1 on 1 record, if true, is amazing.

[Tully365]

The rumor about Pat Riley not being very high on Beasley could have real ramifications for the Spurs. If the Heat trade their pick or simply choose Mayo, then that means Minnesota probably takes Beasley, which means Gomes can be had in free agency. Adding CDR, who can play the 2 or the 3 and Gomes, who plays the 3 or the 4, gives the Spurs nice depth and flexibility. It also allows Manu to start. JR Smith is more athletic than these two, but I doubt he decides of his own free will to play for the Spurs. Remember, he was only associated with San Antonio in trade possibilities, in which he had no choice. Gomes is much more of a typical Spur, a team guy, with good hoops IQ, etc.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If this guy can score anywhere on the court, can he be the next big thing to hit the spurs in terms of SG, is there the potential of him being a top SG in the league? Could he be built around ala KOBE/TMAC sort of team? with duncan shifting his powers to the latter and taking a lesser role?

What we need is a high volume scorer to take the load of the big 3 and building towards the future...

imagine a lineup like this

kurt/oberto/
duncan/bonner/ian
bowen/udoka
ginoboli/finley/CDR
parker/vaughn

i would like to see pop give CDR starters minutes like what he did with parker in his rookie season, this will speed up his development....
then when 2010 plans come along, we can always sign the players to fill in the spots vacant

[T Park]

The rumor about Pat Riley not being very high on Beasley could have real ramifications for the Spurs. If the Heat trade their pick or simply choose Mayo, then that means Minnesota probably takes Beasley, which means Gomes can be had in free agency. Adding CDR, who can play the 2 or the 3 and Gomes, who plays the 3 or the 4, gives the Spurs nice depth and flexibility. It also allows Manu to start. JR Smith is more athletic than these two, but I doubt he decides of his own free will to play for the Spurs. Remember, he was only associated with San Antonio in trade possibilities, in which he had no choice. Gomes is much more of a typical Spur, a team guy, with good hoops IQ, etc.


The Spurs are cutting Manu's minutes, not increase them.....

[TDMVPDPOY]

who knows at best he could be second comin of derek anderson when he was with the spurs

[Tully365]

The Spurs are cutting Manu's minutes, not increase them.....

Ginobili only played 31 mpg last year. That's already fewer minutes than most players with his level of production. Why would the Spurs want such a productive guy to play even fewer minutes than that?

[K-State Spur]

Ginobili only played 31 mpg last year. That's already fewer minutes than most players with his level of production. Why would the Spurs want such a productive guy to play even fewer minutes than that?

because manu's style of play takes a toll on his body. it would be ideal to play him somewhere around 25-28 mpg in the regular season next year.

[2centsworth]

because manu's style of play takes a toll on his body. it would be ideal to play him somewhere around 25-28 mpg in the regular season next year.

it would be ideal if he took a vacation and showed up around March.

[SenorSpur]

because manu's style of play takes a toll on his body. it would be ideal to play him somewhere around 25-28 mpg in the regular season next year.

Combine that with the fact that he will be coming off the Beijing Olympics and he'll likely need even more rest.

[The Truth #6]

Whatever new wing we get they're going to have to be able to produce right away. That's probably going to be difficult.

[SenorSpur]

Smith, Artest, Pietrus - take your pick.