Could this help another Spur get to the All-Star game?

[Kori Ellis]

Bryant Could Miss 10 More Games

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakerep28jan28,1,6282206.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=2&cset=true

By Mike Bresnahan, Times Staff Writer


Kobe Bryant, sidelined since sustaining a severely sprained right ankle Jan. 13, is not expected to play on an upcoming trip and could be out until mid-February.

The Lakers have four more home games before beginning a five-game trip Feb. 6 in Houston. Bryant already has sat out six games.

"As of today, it's unlikely that he'll play on the trip," Laker spokesman John Black said Thursday. "We maintain hope that he'll be back soon. He's a fast healer compared to most people, but that was a severe sprain."

Even if he doesn't play on the trip, which includes games in Atlanta, New Jersey, Detroit and Cleveland, Bryant will travel with the team to continue daily treatment sessions with trainers.

When the Lakers return, they will have one home game, Feb. 15 against Utah, before the All-Star break.

Bryant is second in All-Star voting among Western Conference guards, although he will skip the game if his ankle hasn't healed. If he plays before then and does not exacerbate the injury, the league would expect Bryant to play in the All-Star game, Feb. 20 in Denver.

[timvp]

Kobe won't pass up the All-Star game stage. He needs all the positive press he can get and playing in the All-Star game and smiling and hugging people would help his image.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I concur with timvp. He could have a broken leg and he'd still suit up for the A-S game, it's the game's biggest glamour event (outside of the Finals), and is about the only stage he'll be getting to for the rest of his career.

[exstatic]

If he doesn't play (and it IS an if), then I would think Manu would almost be a lock. If he can go, I would imagine that he will play, even though the game IS in Colorado. :smokin

[Kori Ellis]

What if Peja doesn't go (I know he's listed as a forward on the ballot), but would they take another swingman and take Manu?

[violentkitten]

kobe went from good clean wholesomeness to oj and michael jackson sideshow freakness in no time

hes an embarassment to the league, the country, and his mama

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Fans won't care if Kobe plays or not. Before the suns game I would hear PARKER over MANU,now it is the other way around. If PARKER 25pts and 5 assist in the next 3 games and MANU goes 10 and 3 who deserves it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manu. Sorry, Tony's kick ass and all, but Manu is one of the most exciting players in the game today, and I'm talking about the whole league.

People are right, the Spurs are boring... whenever Manu's not in the game ;)

[milkyway21]

when Dallas topped the WC before the ASG, they invited Dirk & Nash. Last year, it was Minny at the top of WC and they invited Cassel & KG. This yr, they shld consider 2 Spurs to participate, they have the best record in the West Conference & over-all. Would it be Manu or TP, doesn't really matter, these 2 players have the potentials and credentials(2 titles,Olympic MVP for Manu), to back them off.

[SequSpur]

Since there is about 3 guards that have higher ppg ave. than Manu, its going to be tough for him to get in.

[T Park]

higher ppg ave

yeah cause thats how you should judge a player, is only by points right right.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Kobe won't pass up the All-Star game stage. He needs all the positive press he can get and playing in the All-Star game and smiling and hugging people would help his image.

You're aiming for a hug, aren't you, LJ. :lmao

I actually agreed with Vex today. Guards in the ASG should be McGrady (vote), Bryant (vote), Nash, Ray Allen, Manu (fill in for the injured Bryant).

BTW, you guys might get to see our Photo Editor. Found out last night he got a credential to cover it for some paper from Central/North Texas, IIRC.

[SequSpur]

Richardson > Manu.

[Dre_7]

yeah cause thats how you should judge a player, is only by points right right.

Speaking of which, I have been having an argument w/ my cousin for the past year or so. I say that if a player scores 20-some points on 12-for-16 shooting or so, its better then if a player, I wont name names (AI!), scores 40-some on like 20-for-50 shooting. To me, production is more important then ppg. But thats just me.

[BronxCowboy]

Speaking of which, I have been having an argument w/ my cousin for the past year or so. I say that if a player scores 20-some points on 15-for-20 shooting or so, its better then if a player, I wont name names (AI!), scores 40-some on like 20-for-50 shooting. To me, production is more important then ppg. But thats just me.

Wouldn't 15 for 20 shooting be at least 30 points? Just checking my math, don't want in on the debate.

[Dre_7]

Wouldn't 15 for 20 shooting be at least 30 points? Just checking my math, don't want in on the debate.

Yeah, I just realized that. Fixed it. I wasnt thinking as I typed. :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Richardson > Manu.
Nope.

Not statistically, not in fantasy either.

Sorry.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Speaking of which, I have been having an argument w/ my cousin for the past year or so. I say that if a player scores 20-some points on 12-for-16 shooting or so, its better then if a player, I wont name names (AI!), scores 40-some on like 20-for-50 shooting. To me, production is more important then ppg. But thats just me.

I would agree with you (except for the math :lmao). If somebody is taking that many shots, it doesn't allow others to get their shots, get some calls, create offense.

Now, if your team can't hit the broadside of a barn, then maybe a 50-shot night is in order.

[SequSpur]

PPG has always been the bench mark of the allstar game.

Homers.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

.

Hee. Dough.

[ShoogarBear]

If there's one All-Star game Kobe might like a excuse to skip, it'd be one in Denver, don't you think?

My bet is he doesn't play.

[whottt]

PPG has always been the bench mark of the allstar game.

Homers.

Yao 03.

Stockton, many times.

[Experiment2100]

Kobe won't pass up the All-Star game stage. He needs all the positive press he can get and playing in the All-Star game and smiling and hugging people would help his image.


Not if he hugs the wrong person, who later recants and says they never wanted a hug. Then the wifey gets a matching bracelet, Kobe gets more legal fees, and I get to point and laugh.

[SequSpur]

Yao 03.

Stockton, many times.


Yao was voted in. Wake up.

Stockton was off the charts in assists and still scored more than Manu.

Manu is average in all categories...

Average.

[T Park]

Manu is average in all categories...

Average


Average in steals??

So everyone is tied for 6th in steals??


Youve jumped off the Manu bandwagon hard Sequ.

Dont be doing a MANU rules BS post in June either.


YOu are still immortal with

Manu = Manure

Plain and simple.

[SequSpur]

Magette
PPG 21.4
RPG 5.9
APG 3.4
SPG .95
BPG .14
FG% .415
FT% .858
3P% .286
MPG 37.0

QRich
PPG 15.8
RPG 6.5
APG 2.0
SPG 1.43
BPG .27
FG% .374
FT% .791
3P% .344
MPG 37.9

Jjohnson
PPG 15.9
RPG 5.5
APG 3.6
SPG .70
BPG .32
FG% .439
FT% .807
3P% .467
MPG 39.5

Bibby
PPG 17.0
RPG 4.4
APG 6.1
SPG 1.43
BPG .40
FG% .453
FT% .771
3P% .375
MPG 37.7

Allen
PPG 23.9
RPG 4.1
APG 4.1
SPG 1.17
BPG .05
FG% .425
FT% .890
3P% .375
MPG 40.1

Lewis
PPG 20.7
RPG 5.5
APG 1.0
SPG 1.26
BPG .87
FG% .467
FT% .755
3P% .400
MPG 38.7

Peja
PPG 20.3
RPG 4.4
APG 1.8
SPG 1.20
BPG .25
FG% .448
FT% .925
3P% .390
MPG 39.2

Marion
PPG 19.6
RPG 10.8
APG 2.2
SPG 2.09
BPG 1.52
FG% .474
FT% .845
3P% .357
MPG 39.3

Richardson
PPG 21.9
RPG 6.1
APG 3.6
SPG 1.45 BPG .48
FG% .447
FT% .669
3P% .313
MPG 37.8

Ginobili
PPG 15.7
RPG 4.5
APG 3.8
SPG 1.72
BPG .37
FG% .482
FT% .808
3P% .390
MPG 29.8

Now who is going to the allstar game?

[SpursFanInAustin]

Richardson
PPG 21.9
RPG 6.1
APG 3.6
SPG 1.45
BPG .48
FG% .447
FT% .669
3P% .313
MPG 37.8

Ginobili
PPG 15.7
RPG 4.5
APG 3.8
SPG 1.72
BPG .37
FG% .482
FT% .808
3P% .390
MPG 29.8

Now who is going to the allstar game?


Better stats thanks to playing almost 10 minutes a game more.

[SequSpur]

Go back and look at the updated stats of all the others. Which one doesn't go instead of Manu or do they all go?

Minutes aren't a factor.

They usually go by the fans picks, points per game, leaders in categories, etc.

Manu doesn't lead in any of those. The only thing he leads in is Barkley's karma.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Manu FG% .482

Thank you, come again.

[SequSpur]

Name an allstar that got in averaging 15 and a decent fg percentage?

Ummmm never?

[whottt]

Name an allstar that got in averaging 15 and a decent fg percentage?

Ummmm never?


Brad Miller, Yao, AK 47, Ben Wallace...That was just last year...

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Kenyon Martin - 16.7ppg, 48.8%, 2003
Jamaal Magloire - 13.6ppg, 47.3%, 2003

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Name an allstar that got in averaging 15 and a decent fg percentage?

Ummmm never?

There's been quite a few if you bothered to pay attention.

[Experiment2100]

All the people mentioned were bigs, are there any guards? I think Manu should make it, but he plays in a stacked position.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Steve Nash, 2003 - 14.5 PPG, .470 FG

[Experiment2100]

Well, never mind then http://content.funsmileys.com/happy055.gif

[whottt]

All the people mentioned were bigs, are there any guards? I think Manu should make it, but he plays in a stacked position.

Jason Kidd has made it shooting under 40% and under 15 PPG.

I think Steve Nash made it a few years ago.

Steve Francis made it once scoring 16ppg but shooting only 40% and under 30% from 3.

It's pretty pathetic when people try to make themselves look knowledgable by hating on their own players...but when they do it to Manu it pretty much makes them look like a universal asswipe who knows shit about the game.

Even Stephen A Smith is on the Manu wagon now.

[Dre_7]

Marion, Peja, Lewis, and QRich are all Fowards.

[T Park]

Sequ is an anti-spur.

Plain and simple.

[SequSpur]

Nash 8.8 assts, 91% FT.
Yao voted in STFU.
Wallace defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounding... STFU.
Kenyon Martin 16 + PPG and 9.5 reb. Eastern Conference.... STFU
Maglore... Aver. a double double almost and is a center... STFU.
Miller... Center.... East Conference.... STFU.
Kirilenko... 16+ ppg. 8+ rbg almost 2 steals a game... STFU.

[Dre_7]

Sequ you're right, MANU BLOWS!!!!

[Experiment2100]

Question, since it is in Denver do the Nuggets automatically get a rep from their team?

[T Park]

Kirilenko... 16+ ppg

Not all star material.


NEXT!!!

JUST WIN!!!!



Miller... Center.... East Conference


Sequ, poster, moron

[SequSpur]

Jason Kidd has made it shooting under 40% and under 15 PPG.

I think Steve Nash made it a few years ago.

Steve Francis made it once scoring 16ppg but shooting only 40% and under 30% from 3.

It's pretty pathetic when people try to make themselves look knowledgable by hating on their own players...but when they do it to Manu it pretty much makes them look like a universal asswipe who knows shit about the game.

Even Stephen A Smith is on the Manu wagon now.

King Homer,

If you took his stats from the last few weeks, he is a fucking lock to make it. However, he is competing against others and it always comes down to stats especially when someone has you by more than 2 points. Forward or Guard, all of those players damn near do the same thing.

Now that Kobe is out and maybe Nash after this long road trip, he as well as Parker might both get it. That's if Parker shows up the next week.

[exstatic]

Name an allstar that got in averaging 15 and a decent fg percentage?

Ummmm never?
I think the requirement, as stated, was met, and you've been OWN3D, shortstuff.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Question, since it is in Denver do the Nuggets automatically get a rep from their team?

I'm not sure, but I think the answer is no.

[SequSpur]

Not all star material.


NEXT!!!

JUST WIN!!!!





Sequ, poster, moron

STFU. Kirilenko almost averaged a double double. Wake up.

[SequSpur]

I think the requirement, as stated, was met, and you've been OWN3D, shortstuff.

Ruler of absolutely no information. Go back and look, I broke it down, player by player...

Stats don't lie.

Hey, Manu averages 20 ppg easily if Pop gives him the damn ball.

Blame Pop, not me.

[T Park]

Im awake.

The question is.

Did your daughter get those chill pills down from the cabinet for you??

I know yoru stool isnt big enough for you to get em!!!!

lmao......

[TMTTRIO]

^Don't forget Doug Collins (who hasn't shut up about how much he would pay to watch him), Bill Walton, Magic Johnson, and of course Barkley.

[SequSpur]

Im awake.

The question is.

Did your daughter get those chill pills down from the cabinet for you??

I know yoru stool isnt big enough for you to get em!!!!

lmao......

STFU. Bring a take or go jack off to your bearded lady magazine.

[T Park]

Blame Pop

I knew this would somehow turn into a "Pop sucks" thread.


Boy if pop goes to the all star game.

Thats really gonna piss you off aint it Sequ.

It would really piss you off if they won another ring under pop too.

[SequSpur]

^Don't forget Doug Collins (who hasn't shut up about how much he would pay to watch him), Bill Walton, Magic Johnson, and of course Barkley.

Since they don't get to vote, it really doesn't matter. After the votes are counted, there are what 7 slots left? If they go with another center, 3 guards and 3 forwards... Does Manu make the cut of 3?

[SequSpur]

I knew this would somehow turn into a "Pop sucks" thread.


Boy if pop goes to the all star game.

Thats really gonna piss you off aint it Sequ.

It would really piss you off if they won another ring under pop too.


:rolleyes

:blah

[Experiment2100]

Since they don't get to vote, it really doesn't matter. After the votes are counted, there are what 7 slots left? If they go with another center, 3 guards and 3 forwards... Does Manu make the cut of 3?


If Kobe sits out, they get 8 players.

[Dre_7]

SA is 35-10, but by reading alota Sequs post, youd think they are 23-22 or sumthing.

[SequSpur]

SA is 35-10, but by reading alota Sequs post, youd think they are 23-22 or sumthing.

Hey, I am just throwing it out there. I gave you all some players to think about besides Manu. I think he is on the bubble. I don't understand how a coach could vote for a player because of flash when there are clearly objective statistical reasons to pick other players even if they aren't wearing black and silver.

[T Park]

objective statistical reasons

Only problem with your circle jerkoff buddy Richardson?

He plays on a very bad bad team, so gets to score alot of points.

If Ginobili played on the freak Warriors hed average 25 a night.


Get a clue already.

[SequSpur]

Tpark,

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you've been determined stupid... why don't you click here.... http://www.nba.com/warriors/schedule/index.html

and come back and tell me that Richardson is not a fucking allstar.

Run along dipshit.

[Rick Von Braun]

Hey, I am just throwing it out there. I gave you all some players to think about besides Manu. I think he is on the bubble. I don't understand how a coach could vote for a player because of flash when there are clearly objective statistical reasons to pick other players even if they aren't wearing black and silver. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

Like in any human activity, the coaches use their personal feeling about the players, the input from collaborators, and the video scouting, in addition to the statistical analysis.

I can assure you that Manu ranks pretty high up among most assistants and scouts that could influence coaches in the NBA.

Since you brought some stats, let me ask you a question:
Do you think coaches are blinded by ppg? Do you really think they don't factor in efficiency and productivity when making a decision?

The dude is 3rd in the entire league in points per shot (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbafgpct&qual=true&sort=pps&league=nba&split=0&season=2005&seasontype=2&avg=none&pos=sg) (1.51!!). This is fucking increadible for a guard!! The only players above him are Shaq (1.57) and Amare (1.56). Among SGs, the only guys relatively close are Wade (1.43) and Maggette (1.42). Other representative players are Kobe (1.33), Allen (1.27), L. Hughes (1.23), TMac (1.21), Finley (1.16), J. Johnson (1.14), and J. Richarson (1.12).

Manu is top 15 in the league in productivity per minute (http://www.dougstats.com/04-05Tendex.html). Measures of productivity take into account everything, including rebounds, assists, points, TOs, blocks, FG%, etc.

All Players
MyTendex/48min (min 20.0 min/gm)
Player Team Tend/48
1) garnett,kevin Min 41.48
2) duncan,tim San 36.87
3) james,lebron Cle 35.42
4) nowitzki,dirk Dal 34.97
5) o'neal,shaquille Mia 34.93
6) stoudemire,amare Pho 33.61
7) nash,steve Pho 33.53
8) marion,shawn Pho 32.15
9) webber,chris Sac 31.49
10) wade,dwyane Mia 30.58
11) o'neal,jermaine Ind 30.15
12) hughes,larry Was 30.03
13) pierce,paul Bos 29.57
14) ginobili,manu San 29.16
15) gasol,pau Mem 29.01
16) miller,brad Sac 28.99
17) bryant,kobe LAL 28.93
18) mcgrady,tracy Hou 28.87
19) gooden,drew Cle 28.85
20) brand,elton LAC 28.73
** Avg for Position = 19.59. Among SGs, he is top 3 in the league

Shooting Guards
MyTendex/48min (min 20.0 min/gm)
Player Team Tend/48
1) wade,dwyane Mia 30.58
2) hughes,larry Was 30.03
3) ginobili,manu San 29.16
4) bryant,kobe LAL 28.93
5) mcgrady,tracy Hou 28.87
6) richardson,jason GSW 24.59
7) allen,ray Sea 24.50
8) smith,josh Atl 24.07
9) maggette,corey LAC 23.59
10) miller,mike Mem 23.45
11) redd,michael Mil 21.34
12) finley,michael Dal 20.94
13) iguodala,andre Phi 20.78
14) johnson,joe Pho 20.58
15) wells,bonzi Mem 20.36
16) richardson,quent Pho 20.31
17) daniels,marquis Dal 20.22
18) peterson,morris Tor 19.91
19) crawford,jamal NYK 19.88
20) hamilton,richard Det 19.88
** Avg for Position = 18.28.


Another measure of how good a player makes other teammates better is the +/- points on/off the court. Manu ranks 6th in the Roland Rankings (http://www.82games.com/rolandratings0405.htm) and is the best of the league (+16.8) in +/- points when he is on the court!

Rank Player Team On Court +/- Off Court +/- Roland Rating
1 Nowitzki DAL +10.5 -12.2 +22.7
2 Kirilenko UTA +10.9 -9.2 +20.1
3 Marbury NYK +0.6 -18.1 +18.8
4 Allen SEA +7.2 -7.0 +14.3
5 Duncan SAS +14.8 +0.5 +14.3
6 Ginobili SAS +16.8 +2.6 +14.2
7 Nash PHO +13.1 -0.7 +13.8
8 Jones LAL +8.3 -4.5 +12.8
9 Tinsley IND +3.6 -8.7 +12.2
10 Brand LAC +2.4 -9.4 +11.8
11 Garnett MIN +4.3 -7.2 +11.5
12 Battier MEM +8.0 -3.5 +11.5
13 Bibby SAC +6.6 -4.9 +11.4
14 Terry DAL +10.8 -0.5 +11.2
15 Kidd NJN +0.4 -10.5 +10.9

He is also second in the league in raw +/- points (+435) behind Tim Duncan.



I don't know if the coaches will pick him or not. The only thing I am trying to say is that you could make a strong statistical argument that he is one of the elite guards in the league.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smiafro.gif

P.S.: In addition, if you don't consider him one of the most exciting players to watch playing basketball, you have ice in your veins. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smidrunk.gif

[Jimcs50]

P.S.: In addition, if you don't consider him one of the most exciting players to watch playing basketball, you have ice in your veins.

Correction....shit for brains.





Manu will be in AllStar game....I will bet any amt of money.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

^^^^^^^^^^

Holy shit, Rick just redefined the term can of whoop ass. That's a monumental one he just opened upside the heads of rascal and Sequ.

[Athenea]

ok. I admit it: MANU IS GOOOOOD!!! :angel

PS: WTG Rick :spin

[Rummpd]

The stats prove it = Manu in far less minutes than most = better player.


West guards should be Kobe, Nash, Bibby, Allen, Manu = 2 points, 3 swing type men = perfect and exciting line-up. Bibby for season long consistancy has to go over Parker, but Parker will get this due down the line.

Rest of team = Amare, Duncan, Yao, Garnett, TMac (Guard/Forward), Dirk.

With those 11 throw in anyone (I would vote for Marion)

MadDoc

[SequSpur]

Richardson? WTF do you keep forgetting about Richardson?? Dude is killing it.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

SA is 35-10, but by reading alota Sequs post, youd think they are 23-22 or sumthing.

Right about that,Sequs will probaly trade all the players when the SPURS are 23-22 next year.SPURS need to fire POP.DUNCAN,PARKER,MANU are overrated.Dude with over 6000 post you need to get a life theirs more out there than the SPURS FORUM.Don't act like a kid and say STFU.

[smeagol]

RVB is statistically one of the three best posters in the forum. :lol

[Sire]

I completely agree with T_Park. SeguSpurs: are you sure about your nick? and Richardson in the ASG? is a joke..... :lol