Danny B Lame Thread

[DannyB]

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

When it rains . . .




F Splitter. He knew that he'd have to take less money to come to the Spurs. If he wasn't prepared to make that sacrifice, he shouldn't have promised the Spurs last summer that he'd make the jump to the NBA for the 2008-09 season. The Spurs wouldn't have wasted a first round pick on his azz.

It sucks because if he would have signed with the Spurs this summer, there was a good chance he could win the starting center job for the Spurs next season.

Splitter's chances of ever coming to the NBA have now plummeted.




P.S.

Props to Spurs Brazil and Bruno for breaking the news in the Splitter thread (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95609).

LOL! Boo-fucking-hoo for the Spurs ...

All I heard this past year was how Splitter was gonna be a monster for the Spurs, and help them rebuild. Funny how he screwed y'all over in the end. I'm glad he decided to spurn the Spurs.

[picnroll]

LOL! Boo-fucking-hoo for the Spurs ...

All I heard this past year was how Splitter was gonna be a monster for the Spurs, and help them rebuild. Funny how he screwed y'all over in the end. I'm glad he decided to spurn the Spurs.

How's the Suns umpteenth rebuilding to attempt to get a trophy coming along?

[DannyB]

How's the Suns umpteenth rebuilding to attempt to get a trophy coming along?

Typical dumb bullshit from a Spurs fan. Any time anybody says anything bad about the Spurs, y'all never respond to or answer the criticism ... instead, you start pointing your stupid fucking fingers at everyone else.

Is this SpursTalk? Why, yes it is. Is this the Tiago Splitter thread of the San Antonio Spurs forum? Gee, sure seems to be. Did I mention the Suns at all? Nope, didn't say a fucking word about anything other than the Spurs and Tiago Splitter.

So, basically, what the fuck are you even talking about? You Spurs fans are like dumb infants, I swear to shit.

[DannyB]

damn that was a crap interview, tells us nothing.

That's very impressive for Manu. He must have more hardware than any other shitbag in sports history ... oh, wait a minute, there's always Robert Horry.

[Bartleby]

Is this SpursTalk? Why, yes it is. Is this the Tiago Splitter thread of the San Antonio Spurs forum? Gee, sure seems to be.

Exactly, so fuck off Suns fan.

[exstatic]

Typical dumb bullshit from a Spurs fan. Any time anybody says anything bad about the Spurs, y'all never respond to or answer the criticism ... instead, you start pointing your stupid fucking fingers at everyone else.

Is this SpursTalk? Why, yes it is. Is this the Tiago Splitter thread of the San Antonio Spurs forum? Gee, sure seems to be. Did I mention the Suns at all? Nope, didn't say a fucking word about anything other than the Spurs and Tiago Splitter.

So, basically, what the fuck are you even talking about? You Spurs fans are like dumb infants, I swear to shit.

You opened your piehole and started shit about the Spurs. Expect a return volley, fool.

[picnroll]

DannyB with three moronic posts in a row. Going for a record?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I like DannyB. I find his comments quite hilarious.

[DannyB]

Exactly, so fuck off Suns fan.

:rollin

LOL!

You can't make me, so I won't ...

[jag]

The Spurs don't really have the used car salesmen in the organization to reel in the emos.



:lmao

[DannyB]

You opened your piehole and started shit about the Spurs. Expect a return volley, fool.

I do expect it. Not a problem.

But what's disappointing is that the best you dumb Spurs fans can muster in response to criticism is something along the lines of "Your team sucks" ... as if that magically refutes the criticism.

Happens every time I say anything about the Spurs at all. Same kindergarten response.

Pretty fucking dumb, I have to say.

[SpursFan0728]

That's very impressive for Manu. He must have more hardware than any other shitbag in sports history ... oh, wait a minute, there's always Robert Horry.

Isn't this a Splitter thread you just mention?

Why the fuck are you bitching about Manu

dumbfuck

[T Park]

Isn't this the same DannyB that said "He wasn't coming back"
in his meltdown response? :lol

[DannyB]

Isn't this a Splitter thread you just mention?

Why the fuck are you bitching about Manu

dumbfuck

Duh, you might not be aware of this, but Manure Ginobili is a player on the Spurs. So, I guess Manu isn't an irrelevant topic ... especially when I'm directly commenting on the signature text of another poster, listing all of Manu's accomplishments.

Jeeziss, you people are dumbfucks. Do I need to find a way to draw it out in crayons for you or something?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Isn't this the same DannyB that said "He wasn't coming back"
in his meltdown response? :lol

Yes.

[Bartleby]

But what's disappointing is that the best you dumb Spurs fans can muster in response to criticism is something along the lines of "Your team sucks" ... as if that magically refutes the criticism.

Your team sucks AND they're so stupid they give up two first round picks just to get rid of Kurt Thomas AND traded for that fat piece of shit Shaq. The future is looking bright for you guys.

[DannyB]

Isn't this the same DannyB that said "He wasn't coming back"
in his meltdown response? :lol

Yep, the same. I changed my mind after the Spurs got booted. I couldn't resist rubbing it in.

[DannyB]

Your team sucks AND they're so stupid they give up two first round picks just to get rid of Kurt Thomas AND traded for that fat piece of shit Shaq. The future is looking bright for you guys.

Thanks for making my point about dumb Spurs fans.:lmao

[Bartleby]

You never had one. Now go back to your crayons.

[SpursFan0728]

Duh, you might not be aware of this, but Manure Ginobili is a player on the Spurs. So, I guess Manu isn't an irrelevant topic ... especially when I'm directly commenting on the signature text of another poster, listing all of Manu's accomplishments.

Jeeziss, you people are dumbfucks. Do I need to find a way to draw it out in crayons for you or something?

it doesn't matter
this is Splitter thread

your comments are irrelevant so stfu and leave

[DannyB]

You never had one. Now go back to your crayons.

Idiot. You quoted my point about how all you dumb Spurs fans can ever say in response to criticism is "your team sucks" ... and you just did exactly that. Fucking tard.

[exstatic]

Isn't this the same DannyB that said "He wasn't coming back"
in his meltdown response? :lol

You probably shouldn't be playing the "I'm not coming back" meltdown card.

[T Park]

Yep, the same. I changed my mind after the Spurs got booted. I couldn't resist rubbing it in.

Yeah fans of teams that are perennial losers should always troll one of the best teams in sports.

Genius :tu

[T Park]

You probably shouldn't be playing the "I'm not coming back" meltdown card.

What card.

I just asked a simple question.

[DannyB]

it doesn't matter
this is Splitter thread

your comments are irrelevant so stfu and leave

Again, you can't make me, so I won't. I enjoy making fun of you idiots.

[T Park]

Again, you can't make me, so I won't. I enjoy making fun of you idiots.

Wow intelligent come back.

[exstatic]

Again, you can't make me, so I won't. I enjoy being an idiot.

[Bartleby]

Idiot. You quoted my point about how all you dumb Spurs fans can ever say in response to criticism is "your team sucks" ... and you just did exactly that. Fucking tard.

Fuckface, I didn't just say "your team sucks," I reminded you how and why they suck, and why they will continue to suck. I imagine the difference is too nuanced for you to understand though.

[jag]

Fuck you all. I didn't post that last one to try to win the argument. You dishonest fuckers already claimed your hollow bullshit victory ... kinda like the Spurs themselves claimed a hollow bullshit victory over the Suns last year. You people on this blog are totally irrational and insane. It will never matter how right I am, or how good my evidence is. All of you delusional homers will just ignore it so you can make fun of me, and take turns slapping each other on the back. Well, I'm going to do the only thing you fuckers can't cheat me out of ... so long and fuck you all. You won't have me around to jack each other off about. You all can suck a bag of dicks.

Meltdown? I think so.

[DannyB]

Yeah fans of teams that are perennial losers should always troll one of the best teams in sports.

Genius :tu

"Best"? That really depends on what you mean.

If you define it as "best winning % over the past 10 years" or something like that, then sure.

If you define it as "best winning % of all time" then no.

If you define it as "best talent" then no.

If you define it as "best team to watch" then the answer is fuck no.

If you define it as "best at putting you to sleep" then yes.

If you define it as "best at making you hate the NBA" then yes.

If you define it as "best at hacking and fouling the shit out of opponents and getting away with it" then you're the undisputed champions of all sports history.

[DannyB]

Meltdown? I think so.

What's your point? Wasn't that back in November?

What does that prove? That I got tired of the same dumb and dishonest bullshit arguments from the same assholes, over and over again? So what?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

"Best"? That really depends on what you mean.

If you define it as "best winning % over the past 10 years" or something like that, then sure.

If you define it as "best winning % of all time" then no.

If you define it as "best talent" then no.

If you define it as "best team to watch" then the answer is fuck no.

If you define it as "best at putting you to sleep" then yes.

If you define it as "best at making you hate the NBA" then yes.

If you define it as "best at hacking and fouling the shit out of opponents and getting away with it" then you're the undisputed champions of all sports history.

So it's settled. The Spurs are one of the best teams in the league.

[Bartleby]

Best at making Suns fans cry themselves to sleep while clutching a bag of dicks.

[200 miles]

DannyB!!!

DannyB!!!

DannyB, what the fuck do you think you are doing??

[DannyB]

Fuckface, I didn't just say "your team sucks," I reminded you how and why they suck, and why they will continue to suck. I imagine the difference is too nuanced for you to understand though.

So anyway, now back to SpursTalk ...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Best at making Suns fans cry themselves to sleep while clutching a bag of dicks.

:lmao

[DannyB]

So it's settled. The Spurs are one of the best teams in the league.

Were. But only if you define it as you like it.

[T Park]

The guy dropping f bombs every 5 words calling others idiots?

God Spursreport, take this prick back.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Were. But only if you define it as you like it.

You can make as many points as you like. The Spurs are one of the best teams in the league.

[jag]

What's your point? Wasn't that back in November?

What does that prove? That I got tired of the same dumb and dishonest bullshit arguments from the same assholes, over and over again? So what?

You should try getting tired of it again.

[DannyB]

The guy dropping f bombs every 5 words calling others idiots?

God Spursreport, take this prick back.

The connection between IQ and F-Bombs is entirely in your own mind, chief.

It might not be polite, but my use of the "fuck" word isn't for a lack of vocabulary. It's mostly because it gets under the skin of people like you.

[DannyB]

You should try getting tired of it again.

Thanks for the advice, chief.

[DannyB]

Well, that's it for me today. Since nobody can come up with anything more stimulating to add to this conversation than "The Suns suck", I'll just leave it right there for now. Better things to do right now.

[mystargtr34]

Can you guys all shut up and maybe not respond to him... please... dont feed the baby

Its a Splitter thread.

Kori get this cock rider out of here

[jag]

Thanks for the advice, chief.

Anytime, guy.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Well, that's it for me today. Since nobody can come up with anything more stimulating to add to this conversation than "The Suns suck", I'll just leave it right there for now. Better things to do right now.

:bking

[T Park]

The connection between IQ and F-Bombs is entirely in your own mind, chief.

It might not be polite, but my use of the "fuck" word isn't for a lack of vocabulary. It's mostly because it gets under the skin of people like you.

If you think it bothers me thats comical.

Your a loser who has nothing better to do and is trolling a message board.

You've got loser cornered genius.

[jag]

Well, that's it for me today. Since nobody can come up with anything more stimulating to add to this conversation than "The Suns suck", I'll just leave it right there for now. Better things to do right now.

Why quit now...you were doing so well...

[Bartleby]

:rollin

He's got better things to do but he's still viewing the thread.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 37 (13 members and 24 guests)
Bartleby, Kori Ellis, jrmp317, tempest186, Mr. Body, 200 miles, DannyB, BruceBowenFan, tinysands, L.I.T, SpursFan0728, ace3g, spurs2112

[DannyB]

Kory B, congrats on splitting this thread off the Splitter thread. Really shows what a little douche you are. Pure gayness in the anus.

[Kori Ellis]

...Pure gayness in the anus.

Is that your specialty?

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :downspin:

[T Park]

Kory B, congrats on splitting this thread off the Splitter thread. Really shows what a little douche you are. Pure gayness in the anus.

:lol

Theres the door douchebag.

[anakha]

Is that your specialty?

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :downspin:

Nah, obsessing about bags of dicks is his specialty. :lol

[Borosai]

I smell another SpursTalk meltdown...no?

[DannyB]

:rollin

He's got better things to do but he's still viewing the thread.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 37 (13 members and 24 guests)
Bartleby, Kori Ellis, jrmp317, tempest186, Mr. Body, 200 miles, DannyB, BruceBowenFan, tinysands, L.I.T, SpursFan0728, ace3g, spurs2112

You dumbass, I was checking my email with the SpursTalk window still open in the background to check again later, not viewing the thread. That ping you just did is meaningless. I bet there's a few hundred supposed "active" viewers who do the same damn thing and actually stopped viewing to do something else. I just checked back in and saw that gay Kori B split the thread, and that you are thumping your chest because I showed up on the "currently active users viewing" list. Get a fucking clue fool. That shit means nothing.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://www.nba.com/media/tduncan_300_080419.jpg
How did you feel when this occured, DannyB?

[T Park]

his message is hidden because DannyB is on your ignore list

Ahhh silence is golden...

[Mister Sinister]

Ahhh silence is golden...
You know what they say, though.

Silence is golden, but morons are hilarious.

[ChumpDumper]

Your team sucks.

[DannyB]

http://www.nba.com/media/tduncan_300_080419.jpg
How did you feel when this occured, DannyB?

Duh.

It sucked. Obviously. But I'm used to seeing the Spurs get every lucky break in the world, every call, and get away with every bullshit cheapshot or foul they commit ... so it really wasn't all that shocking.

What was shock was when Fisher fouled Barry with no call. Now *that* was truly amazing. For years, I've watched the Spurs flop all over the place and get every call, yet here is Fisher committing an obvious, blatant foul --against a Spurs player no less-- with no call. Fucking amazing.

Incidentally, how did that feel when you watched that one, chief?

[Mister Sinister]

Duh.

It sucked. Obviously. But I'm used to seeing the Spurs get every lucky break in the world, every call, and get away with every bullshit cheapshot or foul they commit ... so it really wasn't all that shocking.

What was shock was when Fisher fouled Barry with no call. Now *that* was truly amazing. For years, I've watched the Spurs flop all over the place and get every call, yet here is Fisher committing an obvious, blatant foul --against a Spurs player no less-- with no call. Fucking amazing.

Incidentally, how did that feel when you watched that one, chief?
For my part, at first I was like, :pctoss, but then I was like, "Eh."

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Duh.

It sucked. Obviously. But I'm used to seeing the Spurs get every lucky break in the world, every call, and get away with every bullshit cheapshot or foul they commit ... so it really wasn't all that shocking.

What was shock was when Fisher fouled Barry with no call. Now *that* was truly amazing. For years, I've watched the Spurs flop all over the place and get every call, yet here is Fisher committing an obvious, blatant foul --against a Spurs player no less-- with no call. Fucking amazing.

Incidentally, how did that feel when you watched that one, chief?

I didn't make much a fuss over it. The Spurs were playing bad anyways and making a big deal over one missed call would've been pretty dumb.

Ha, I'm your chief. :hat

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What were your thoughts on the Shaq trade?

Of course it did end up working against them though:

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/shaquille_o_neal-arton21120-240x240.jpg
PHAIL.

[ShoogarBear]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2044575&postcount=225

[HFFL]

I think this DannyB person is owning many of you!

[DannyB]

I think this DannyB person is owning many of you!

Nice hand-grenade, man. LOL!

[stretch]

Hey DannyB.

Your team sucks.

[FaggyB]

Eat a back of dicks.

[DannyB]

Hey DannyB.

Your team sucks.

Nice to see you again fuckface. Still an stupid asshole, I see. Did you ever make a decision on that surgery to enlarge your little thumb-dick?

[midgetonadonkey]

Who the hell is Danny B?

[DannyB]

Eat a back of dicks.

Nice to see you again too, you dumb piece of shit.

BTW, that shit where you make a fake ID for me and change the quotes to make me say stupid shit ... that shit was lame and old 7 months ago when you last did that shit to me. So, why is it supposed to be clever now?

Idiot.

[midgetonadonkey]

The fight where the dude wearing the propeller landed in the ring is being shown on espn2.

[midgetonadonkey]

Did anyone see that fight? I remember watching it live. That was the most memorable part of the fight. Who the hell did Riddick Bowe fight?

[DannyB]

Night night, y'all. I'll back with more Spurs hate another day.

[midgetonadonkey]

He fought Holyfield.

I can't remember who won though.

[midgetonadonkey]

I never was a big Holyfield fan. I thought it was amusing when Tyson bit his ear off.

[pawe]

damn, unleaded gas here in phoenix reached 4 bucks.

[CuckingFunt]

damn, unleaded gas here in phoenix reached 4 bucks.

I paid $4.55 today.

[pawe]

How's the weather in San Antonio right now? I wish I know someone from San Antonio so I can have a reason to visit and see the city.

[marini martini]

damn, unleaded gas here in phoenix reached 4 bucks.

So is that the real reason he twisted off so late? I think he has too many Chiefs in his life, personaly!:toast

[Danny B]

Nice to see you again too, you dumb piece of shit.

BTW, that shit where you make a fake ID for me and change the quotes to make me say stupid shit ... that shit was lame and old 7 months ago when you last did that shit to me. So, why is it supposed to be clever now?

Idiot.

You stupid, lying, Spurs fan, Robert Horry loving piece of shit. This isn't funny anymore. Just like a Spurs fan to break the rules of the internet so he can "win" an argument and make quotes to make me look stupid. Do you know the rules of the internet? Here they are you flopping gayness in your anus. I would copy and past but it's a pdf.

http://www.fec.gov/law/cfr/ej_compilation/2006/notice_2006-8.pdf

[Mister Sinister]

I paid $4.55 today.
4.13

[pawe]

wow, did you guys know we have new forums? way to go Kori!

[marini martini]

wow, did you guys know we have new forums? way to go Kori!

Yes!!! And I just purchased Midge's organ, for 30 bucks!!!:toast

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Leetonidas]

How's the weather in San Antonio right now? I wish I know someone from San Antonio so I can have a reason to visit and see the city.

Awful. If Satan was an overweight 40-year old whose thighs chaffed a lot, the weather would kind of be like that. Very hot and sticky.

[pawe]

Yes!!! And I just purchased Midge's organ, for 30 bucks!!!:toast

:lmao:lmao:lmao

what the heck are you going to do with an antique organ anyways?

Derailing lame threads by lame posters FTW!!! :lol

[marini martini]

what the heck are you going to do with an antique organ anyways?

Derailing lame threads by lame posters FTW!!! :lol

Shit, you know I woke this thread up! And I might be alot of things, but lame, ain't one!:lmao

[Leetonidas]

Danny B is a cool guy. He speaks his mind and doesn't afraid of anything.

[pawe]

just to clarify
Lame poster = danny B :toast

[Leetonidas]

No one except maybe Shagia is going to understand what I just said. :lol

[peewee's lovechild]

Yep, the same. I changed my mind after the Spurs got booted. I couldn't resist rubbing it in.

Rubbing what in, you stupid waste of human life?

We waxed your asses.

So, we lost to the Lakers . . . you lost to us.

We kicked your asses real good.
It was beautiful because you're piece of shit team can no longer bitch about anything.

They've run out of excuses.

Fuckers even have to look for a new coach to compete with Popovich's greatness because your previous bitch of a coach, Mike D'Antonio, was so afraid of Pop that he ran away to the East Coast.

So, in summation, your a dumb fuck and you're mother is a filthy whore for having given birth to you.

[peewee's lovechild]

"Best"? That really depends on what you mean.

If you define it as "best winning % over the past 10 years" or something like that, then sure.



Thank you for admitting to that.

Now, run away and play with the kids.

Don't forget to put on your helmet.

[stretch]

Nice to see you again fuckface. Still an stupid asshole, I see. Did you ever make a decision on that surgery to enlarge your little thumb-dick?

Hey DannyB.

Your team sucks.

[DannyB]

Rubbing what in, you stupid waste of human life?

We waxed your asses.

So, we lost to the Lakers . . . you lost to us.

We kicked your asses real good.
It was beautiful because you're piece of shit team can no longer bitch about anything.

They've run out of excuses.

Fuckers even have to look for a new coach to compete with Popovich's greatness because your previous bitch of a coach, Mike D'Antonio, was so afraid of Pop that he ran away to the East Coast.

So, in summation, your a dumb fuck and you're mother is a filthy whore for having given birth to you.

Dumbfuck Spurs fans always --ALWAYS-- have to change the subject. Say whatever the fuck you want about the Suns. I don't give a shit. All I care about is that your piece of shit team is done and gone for good. Now maybe the league can repair itself of the damage Popovich and his shitbag team have done to the game.

[ChumpDumper]

Your team sucks.

[DannyB]

You stupid, lying, Spurs fan, Robert Horry loving piece of shit. This isn't funny anymore. Just like a Spurs fan to break the rules of the internet so he can "win" an argument and make quotes to make me look stupid. Do you know the rules of the internet? Here they are you flopping gayness in your anus. I would copy and past but it's a pdf.

http://www.fec.gov/law/cfr/ej_compilation/2006/notice_2006-8.pdf

For fuck's sake, man ... the word is "paste", not past. You keep saying "past" ... are you fucking retarded?

[DannyB]

Your team sucks.

[BacktoBasics]

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1 (16 oz) can BBQ baked beans
2 medium plum tomatoes, chopped
4 ounces shredded sharp cheddar cheese
1/2 cup sour cream
1/2 cup peppercorn ranch salad dressing
5 slices bacon, cooked til crisp and crumbled
1/4 cup sliced scallions
Bagel chips or tortilla chips for dipping


Directions:

In an 8 inch pie plate, layer lettuce, beans, tomatoes and cheese. Combine sour cream and salad dressing, spoon over cheese, and sprinkle with bacon and scallion. Serve with bagel chips or tortilla chips.

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[DannyB]

There you go ChumpDumper. I thought I'd help you out in your quest to be the lamest and most redundant asshole on this site.

I'm guessing your next post will be something like "Your team sucks" ... am I right or am I right?

[BacktoBasics]

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[ChumpDumper]

There you go ChumpDumper. I thought I'd help you out in your quest to be the lamest and most redundant asshole on this site.Actually, you just described yourself.

I love the way you dance like a puppet for me though!

[BacktoBasics]

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[BacktoBasics]

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Five free tips from Sound Feelings help release anger to improve emotional and physical health. Our free information reveals self-help techniques and solutions for anger-management, anger-control, coping with anger, anger resolution, expressing anger and conflict resolution. This self-study guide helps dealing with anger issues and uncontrollable rage by using catharsis, emotional expression, forgiveness and releasing the cellular memory. These tools complement other therapies, strategies and remedies geared towards domestic violence prevention. See also: handling anger, controlling anger, controlling rage, forgiveness, angry, releasing anger, intermittent explosive disorder.

“By reading those five tips, I really learned some things I could do to deal with my problems. Before, I just wanted to hit the person but now I won’t. You have given me knowledge on how I need to stay mentally healthy AND physically healthy at the same time. I guess what I’m trying to say is thanx.”

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1 Give Yourself Permission to Express Anger.

Our society does not allow us to express strong emotions. We are taught to hold in our emotions from the earliest age. This can have a profoundly negative effect on our overall health. It’s not wrong to express anger, fear, sadness, rage. In fact, it is healthy to release these emotions regularly. What’s wrong is when we hurt someone in the process. It is preferable to find safe ways to dump the negative feelings.

2 Combine Mental and Physical Effort.

Mental therapy alone may be extremely helpful for anger release, but it can only take you so far. Similarly, the physical act of doing exercise can help many people let off steam, but it may not remove deep-seated anger.

The most effective process is when you can combine both the mental and physical effort. This is when you do a particular physical activity along with the mental intention of releasing the anger. Please see the next step for specific examples of how to combine the mental and physical effort to help release your anger. In each example, don’t just pound pillows, or rip paper, but REALLY FEEL the heavy anger emotion with it’s full intensity WHILE you do the physical activity. This is so important and will assist you to finally RELEASE the anger energy so that it won’t come back. You may have to do the process repeatedly because it releases layer by layer and it is doubtful that you will get to all of it in one session. There are many studies recently showing that doing this type of activity could possibly MAKE someone more aggressive. This is a complicated issue. Let’s say that the type of people who hold in their anger their whole life NEED to learn to become more aggressive in order to become balanced. It is important to learn how to not be a doormat and have people walk all over you. It is important to speak up for what you believe and not take garbage from everyone. So, indeed, if this behavior makes a person RELATIVELY more aggressive, it is in the vein of becoming whole, and that is a good thing! However, please realize if you are already an explosive person who throws temper tantrums and becomes violent, then this approach is NOT appropriate! This recommendation is more appropriate for the “quiet anger” that a person keeps inside for many years. This is the anger that causes physical illnesses, sleep disturbances and other stress-related conditions. Getting the anger out in these cases is extremely therapeutic.

3 Never Hurt Others in the Process.

Give yourself the opportunity to express anger in a safe way, without hurting anyone else. Most people will benefit by having a private room to pound pillows with their fists or legs, or with a plastic bat. Some people may prefer ripping pages of paper, screaming, throwing plates (old ones). Many people find it helpful to use anger-release music as a stimulus or catalyst for this process. Remember, NEVER hurt yourself in the process and never aim your anger literally at another person. What is important here is your expression of the negative emotion, NOT who receives it. If the anger (or other emotion) is traced to a specific individual, some people have found it helpful to have a symbol of this person at which they can direct the anger. This could be an enlarged photocopy of a photo on a piece of paper which you then scribble-over, tear, burn, or otherwise destroy. Be open to discovering your own dynamic anger-release method.

4 Totally Let Go, Without Hesitation.

It is also important to suggest that if you feel the need to express yourself in any of these ways, that you either are totally alone so that you don’t feel inhibited, or that you are in the surroundings of a group of people who are supportive of this type of activity. If you don’t have a private room in your house, maybe you can find a secluded area, where no one will hear or see you — even the inside of your car may work. (Don’t do any of this while actually driving!)

5 Strive to Forgive.

The final step in maintaining anger-release is to truly forgive the person who wronged you as well as to truly forgive yourself.


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The Real Solution Anger Management Workbook (ebook or softcover version) reduces levels of anger, especially in provocative situations. Learn how to cope instead of blame. Learn how to control your “trigger thoughts.” Learn how to prevent escalation. Learn how to resolve conflicts. Learn how to process anger. Learn how to deal with shame. Learn how to properly ventilate anger. Graduated homework assignments allow participants to apply their newly acquired skills. Workbook is a self-study course for those who are unable to participate in the Anger Management Individual Program.
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Learn to choose your reactions and free yourself from anger and negative feelings. This Powerful ebook is a practical guide to self-mastery and inner power. Now you can strengthen, develop, and improve your will power and self-discipline! Will Power and Self Discipline will help you to attain self-confidence, assertiveness, perseverance and decisiveness! The simple techniques outlined cover important concepts that will change your life, including: meditation, self improvement and spiritual growth techniques. These techniques are essential for the development of all inner powers, including the power of concentration. $19.95

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The ancient Egyptians invented the first disposable tampons made from softened papyrus. The ancient Greeks invented tampons made from lint wrapped around a small piece of wood, recorded in writing by Hippocrates in the fifth century B.C. Other materials used for the first tampons have included: wool, paper, vegetable fibers, sponges, grass, and later cotton.
In 1929, the modern tampon (with applicator) was first invented and patented by Doctor Earle Haas who wanted to invent a tampon that could be effectively mass produced. Earle Haas filed for his first tampon patent on November 19, 1931. His patent description was for a "catamenial device," derived from the Greek word for monthly. He later trademarked Tampax as the brandname for his tampon product.

Gertrude Tendrich founded the Tampax company for the mass production of tampons after buying the patent and trademark rights from Earle Haas.

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Nerf
It started with a dream - a dream of breaking one of the biggest no-no's in the world: No playing ball in the house. Inventor Reynolds Guyer (creator of Twister) had a means to attain that dream, and that means was polyurethane. From that synthetic foam came the first Nerf ball, and from that first Nerf ball came a line of balls, bows, bats and more that continues to expand today. Guyer's first Nerf ball rolled out to the public in 1969. With the promise that "You can't damage lamps or break windows. You can't hurt babies or old people" (and no, that's not a challenge!).

Nerf was safe enough for indoor play, but its squishy portability made it an ideal take-anywhere toy. By the end of its first year on the market, over 4 million Nerf balls had been sold, and a new toy superstar was born.

In the wake of the Space Race and moon madness, Nerf was nearly dubbed the "Moon Ball" by its inventor. In retrospect, the made-up word "Nerf" was a much better idea. The original ball would likely have been a success either way, but Nerf had bigger and better things in store than a single, smallish "Moon Ball."

Throughout the 1970's, the Nerf line expanded through nearly every sport involving a ball -soccer, golf, ping pong, baseball, basketball (the ever-popular Nerfoop) - and even a few with no ball relationship whatsoever (Frisbee, darts, etc.). But the jewel in the Nerf crown was clearly the Nerf Football. Debuting in 1972, this oblong mass of foam soon came to dominate backyard tackle ball, street ball, kill the man with the ball, and intramural flag football games everywhere.

While the Nerf Football continued its reign, over 50 new kinds of Nerf products were introduced in the 80s, including; Nerf Soccerball (1980); Nerf PingPong (1982); Nerf Boomerang (1983); Nerf Indoor Golf set (1986); and Nerf Blast-A-Ball (1989).

The balls were designed to be used indoors (as it would be nigh on impossible to actually break anything with a Nerf ball) but they were more often than not played with outside where they would invariably get waterlogged, filthy and chewed by dogs. In purple, orange or lime green, everything would stick to these balls - grime, fluff, cat hair, cats . . .

Starting with 1990's Blast-a-Ball, Nerf unleashed an assortment of toys that fired soft, safe projectiles at unsuspecting friends or family members. The Nerf Bow and Arrow was an early favourite, and the line has grown to encompass everything from Crossbows to Gatling-style rotating guns to the motorised "Ballzooka."

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Sand blasting or Abrasive blasting

Sandblasting, bead blasting or abrasive blasting...Is it really the same thing? The short answer is yes! For many years the term sandblasting was used simply because the abrasive choice was sand. Well times have changed! We do not recommend using sand in any of our blasters.

An abrasive blaster works on the principle of high pressure compressed air being used to force a mix of air and fine abrasive through a nozzle. The abrasive particles will quickly remove paint, rust, corrosion, dirt, and discoloration from many different types of surfaces. Just as there are many surfaces to be cleaned there are many different types of abrasive materials that can be used.

Although there are many reasons, we believe there are three important reasons why we do not recommend the use of sand. The first reason is a health and safety concern. Sand contains silica which can cause serious respiratory illnesses. The use of a proper respirator with most abrasives will reduce your health risks. The second reason is due to the high moisture content and the impurities in sand. It can cause equipment blockages and other moisture related problems that can cause premature failure of your blast equipment. The third reason is sand just does not work as well as other abrasives. Sand used once in a blaster turns into a powder and loses its abrasive capabilities. Using the correct abrasive can make the job go quicker and using the right abrasive can give you a more desirable finish to the item you are blasting. Remember, time is money!

When choosing the right abrasive for the job, the size, hardness, mass, sharpness break down rate and reclaim capabilities should be considered.

We have gone as far as taking the words "sand blasting" our of our catalogs and other printed materials. One could argue that sand is plentiful and easy to find. Many users do not know there are other options to sand so they have never invested the time looking for anything else. Larger cities have multiple suppliers of abrasive for blasters. If you open your local phone book and look under sand blasting supplies you may be pleasantly surprised by what you find. For the computer user, a Google search of "abrasive supplies" may be very informative.

The following are a few common types of abrasives with some general recommendations for uses.
Coal Slag
■ Also referred to as Black Beauty, Black Magic, and Black Magnum
■ Used to remove rust, paint and scale from steel
■ Fast cutting and will not collect moisture
■ Economical
Steel Grit
■ Used to remove rust, paint and scale from steel
■ Fast cutting
■ Leaves a smooth finish
Silicone Carbide
■ Used to remove paint and rust
■ Stays sharper longer
■ Popular for glass etching
■ Is generally used in reclaim systems or blast cabinets
Glass Bead
■ Used in general cleaning
■ A very fine materials
■ Is generally used in reclaim systems or blast cabinets
■ Leaves a satin or matte finish
Aluminum Oxide
■ Used in paint removal and general cleaning
■ Is sharper than glass bead and stays sharper longer
■ Is generally used in reclaim systems or blast cabinets
■ Used in glass etching
Walnut Shells
■ Used in cleaning and paint removal on delicate surfaces such as wood
■ Great for removing carbon or paint from aluminum
■ Leaves a very smooth finish
■ Is generally used in reclaim systems or blast cabinets
Plastic Grit
■ Used for removing paint without damaging soft surfaces such as fiberglass
■ Very low dust
■ Used on aircraft parts and boat parts
■ Is generally used in a reclaim system or blast cabinet
Corn Cob
■ Used in cleaning delicate surfaces
■ Popular with the wood crafter
■ Used in cleaning stone and glass


There are many additional abrasives available. Check with your local "sandblasting" or abrasive supplier for the best application.

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Impaired Driving



Overview

Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006). But there are effective measures that can be taken to prevent injuries and deaths from impaired driving.



Occurrence and Consequences

During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006).

In 2005, nearly 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics (Department of Justice 2005). That’s less than one percent of the 159 million self-reported episodes of alcohol–impaired driving among U.S. adults each year (Quinlan et al. 2005).

Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are generally used in combination with alcohol (Jones et al. 2003).

More than half of the 414 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-related crashes during 2005 were riding with the drinking driver (NHTSA 2006).


In 2005, 48 children age 14 years and younger who were killed as pedestrians or pedalcyclists were struck by impaired drivers (NHTSA 2006).
Cost

Each year, alcohol-related crashes in the United States cost about $51 billion (Blincoe et al. 2002).

Groups at Risk

Male drivers involved in fatal motor vehicle crashes are almost twice as likely as female drivers to be intoxicated with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.08% or greater (NHTSA 2006). It is illegal to drive with a BAC of 0.08% or higher in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.

At all levels of blood alcohol concentration, the risk of being involved in a crash is greater for young people than for older people (Zador et al. 2000). In 2005, 16% of drivers ages 16 to 20 who died in motor vehicle crashes had been drinking alcohol (NHTSA 2006).


Young men ages 18 to 20 (under the legal drinking age) reported driving while impaired more frequently than any other age group (Shults et al. 2002, Quinlan et al. 2005).

Among motorcycle drivers killed in fatal crashes, 30% have BACs of 0.08% or greater (Paulozzi et al. 2004).
· Nearly half of the alcohol-impaired motorcyclists killed each year are age 40 or older, and motorcyclists ages 40 to 44 years have the highest percentage of fatalities with BACs of 0.08% or greater (Paulozzi et al. 2004).

Of the 1,946 traffic fatalities among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2005, 21% involved alcohol (NHTSA 2006b).

Among drivers involved in fatal crashes, those with BAC levels of 0.08% or higher were nine times more likely to have a prior conviction for driving while impaired (DWI) than were drivers who had not consumed alcohol (NHTSA 2006).
Prevention Strategies

Effective measures to prevent injuries and deaths from impaired driving include:

Aggressively enforcing existing 0.08% BAC laws, minimum legal drinking age laws, and zero tolerance laws for drivers younger than 21 years old in all states (Shults et al. 2002, Quinlan et al. 2005).


Promptly suspending the driver's licenses of people who drive while intoxicated (DeJong et al. 1998).

Sobriety checkpoints (Elder et al. 2002).


Health promotion efforts that use an ecological framework to influence economic, organizational, policy, and school/community action (Howat et al. 2004; Hingson et al. 2006).


Multi-faceted community-based approaches to alcohol control and DUI prevention (Holder et al. 2000, DeJong et al. 1998).

Mandatory substance abuse assessment and treatment for driving-under-the-influence offenders (Wells-Parker et al. 1995).
Other suggested measures include:

Reducing the legal limit for blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.05% (Howat et al. 1991; National Committee on Injury Prevention and Control 1989).

Raising state and federal alcohol excise taxes (National Committee on Injury Prevention and Control 1989).


Implementing compulsory blood alcohol testing when traffic crashes result in injury(National Committee on Injury Prevention and Control 1989).
CDC Research and Evaluation

Actions to decrease alcohol-related fatal crashes involving young drivers have been effective

Over the past 20 years, alcohol-related fatal crash rates have decreased by 60 percent for drivers ages 16 to 17 years and 55 percent for drivers ages 18 to 20 years, according to a study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). However, this progress has stalled in the past few years. To further decrease alcohol-related fatal crashes among young drivers, communities need to implement and enforce strategies that are known to be effective, such as minimum legal drinking age laws and "zero tolerance" laws for drivers under 21 years of age.

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Elder RW, Shults RA. Trends in alcohol involvement in fatal motor vehicle crashes among young drivers – 1982-2001. MMWR 2002;51:1089–91.


Sobriety checkpoints reduce alcohol-related crashes
Fewer alcohol-related crashes occur when sobriety checkpoints are implemented, according to a CDC report published in the December 2002 issue of Traffic Injury Prevention. Sobriety checkpoints are traffic stops where law enforcement officers systematically select drivers to assess their level of alcohol impairment. The goal of these interventions is to deter alcohol-impaired driving by increasing drivers’ perceived risk of arrest. The conclusion that they are effective in reducing alcohol-related crashes is based on a systematic review of research about sobriety checkpoints. The review was conducted by a team of experts led by CDC scientists, under the oversight of the Task Force on Community Preventive Services—a 15-member, non-federal group of leaders in various health-related fields. (Visit www.thecommunityguide.org for more information.) The review combined the results of 23 scientifically-sound studies from around the world. Results indicated that sobriety checkpoints consistently reduced alcohol-related crashes, typically by about 20 percent. The results were similar regardless of how the checkpoints were conducted, for short-term “blitzes,” or when checkpoints were used continuously for several years. This suggests that the effectiveness of checkpoints does not diminish over time.

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Elder RW, Shults RA, Sleet DA, Nichols JL, Zaza S, Thompson RS. Effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints for reducing alcohol-involved crashes. Traffic Injury Prevention 2002;3:266-74.



Stronger state DUI prevention activities may reduce alcohol-impaired driving
Strong state activities designed to prevent driving under the influence (DUI), including legislation, enforcement, and education, may reduce the incidence of drinking and driving, according to a study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). For the study, which was published in the June 2002 issue of Injury Prevention, CDC analyzed data from the 1997 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) national telephone survey, and the Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) Rating the States 2000 survey, that graded states on their DUI countermeasures from 1996-1999. Results showed that residents of states with a MADD grade of "D" were 60 percent more likely to report alcohol-impaired driving than were residents from states with a MADD grade of "A." MADD based the grades on 11 categories of prevention measures, including DUI legislation; political leadership; statistics and records availability; resources devoted to enforcing DUI laws; administrative penalties and criminal sanctions; regulatory control and alcohol availability; youth DUI legislation; prevention and education; and victim compensation and support.

The study also found that 4 percent of the residents who consume alcohol reported they had driven after having too much to drink at least once during the previous month. Men were nearly three times as likely as women to report alcohol-impaired driving, and single people were about 50 percent more likely to report alcohol-impaired driving than married people or those living with a partner.

Related article:



Shults RA, Sleet DA, Elder RW, Ryan GW, Sehgal M. Association between state-level drinking and driving countermeasures and self-reported alcohol-impaired driving. Injury Prevention 2002;8:106–10.


Research identifies effective interventions against alcohol-impaired driving
CDC and the Task Force on Community Preventive Services—an independent, nonfederal panel of community health experts—published systematic reviews of the literature for eight community-based interventions to reduce alcohol-impaired driving. The reviews revealed strong evidence of effectiveness for 0.08% blood alcohol concentration (BAC) laws, minimum legal drinking age laws, sobriety checkpoints, and mass media campaigns (under certain conditions). They also found sufficient evidence of effectiveness for lower BAC laws specific to young or inexperienced drivers (zero tolerance laws), school-based education programs to reduce riding with a drinking driver, and intervention training programs for alcohol servers. They found insufficient evidence of effectiveness to recommend the use of designated driver programs.

The systematic review of the effectiveness of 0.08% BAC laws for drivers was helpful in establishing a 0.08% standard nationwide. The review revealed that state laws that lowered the illegal BAC for drivers from 0.10% to 0.08% reduced alcohol-related fatalities by a median of 7 percent, translating to 500 lives saved annually. With this evidence, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services strongly recommended that all states pass 0.08% BAC laws. In October 2000, the President signed the Fiscal Year 2001 transportation appropriations bill, requiring states to pass the 0.08% BAC law by October 2003 or risk losing federal highway construction funds. As of October 1, 2003, 45 states and the District of Columbia had enacted 0.08% BAC legislation.

In June 2001, Tommy G. Thompson, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, awarded the Secretary’s Award for Distinguished Service to the CDC researchers who conducted systematic reviews for their contribution to the field. In September 2006, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) presented the Ralph W. Hingson Research in Practice National President’s Award to the CDC research team to recognize their important contributions to reducing alcohol impaired driving.

Related articles:

Elder RW, Nichols JL, Shults RA, et al. Effectiveness of school-based health promotion programs for reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-involved crashes: a systematic review. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 2005;28(5S):288-304.

Ditter S, Elder RW, Shults RA, et al. Effectiveness of designated driver programs for reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-involved crashes: a systematic review. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 2005;28(5S):280-7.

Elder RW, Shults RA, Sleet DA, et al. Effectiveness of mass media campaigns for reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-involved crashes. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 2004;27:57-65.

Elder RW, Shults RA, Sleet DA, et al. Effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints for reducing alcohol-involved crashes. Traffic Injury Prevention 2002;3:266-74.

Shults RA, Elder RW, Sleet DA, Nichols JL, Alao MA, Carande-Kulis VG, et al. Reviews of evidence regarding interventions to reduce alcohol-impaired driving [published erratum appears in American Journal of Preventive Medicine 2002;23:72]. American Journal of Preventive Medicine 2001;21(4S):66–88.

References

Blincoe L, Seay A, Zaloshnja E, Miller T, Romano E, Luchter S, et al. The Economic Impact of Motor Vehicle Crashes, 2000. Washington (DC): Dept of Transportation (US), National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA); 2002. Available from URL: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/economic/
econimpact2000/index.htm

DeJong W. Hingson R. Strategies to reduce driving under the influence of alcohol. Annual Review of Public Health 1998;19:359–78.

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By Pamela Kruger


As schools grapple with peanut-free lunch tables, children's food allergies are transforming the culture of parenting. Child investigates the new food fight.

Life-Threatening Allergies
It was only two months after Daniel Clowes started half-day kindergarten at a Pennsylvania public school, and already some parents of his classmates were grumbling about his family. Daniel, 6, has life-threatening allergies to several foods, including milk, eggs, sesame, tree nuts, and peanuts, so the school—at the urging of Daniel's allergist—declared the class nut-free and issued a safe-snack list. After the Halloween party, when Daniel's father, John, personally inspected the goody bags prepared by parents to make sure no unapproved foods had made their way in, school officials told Gina Clowes, Daniel's mom, that a few parents had complained. "Why is it," they reportedly asked, "that one set of parents gets to dictate what the rest of the class does?"

"A lot of people just don't get it. They think you're a freaky mom who has food issues," says Jaleh Teymourian-Brahms, a Millburn, NJ, mom whose 2-year-old son, Miles, is allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, and eggs. She recently got into an argument with the manager of her health club after dropping Miles off in the "nut-free" childcare room and discovering that another child was eating peanut M&M's--which the manager had given him. "I told the manager, 'That M&M could kill my kid.' He just rolled his eyes," says Teymourian-Brahms, who promptly quit the club.

Across the country, such clashes are occurring with striking regularity and rancor in schools, at daycare centers, and even within families as the number of children believed to have potentially deadly food allergies is exploding. "I've heard patients say, 'We can't go to our aunt's house because she doesn't understand,'" says Connie Weil, Ph.D., a psychologist at Children's Memorial Hospital in Chicago, who often treats allergic children and their parents. "It's a chronic illness, but it's a hidden illness, so it's misperceived by society."

Cafeteria Clashes
Schools are declaring themselves nut-free, creating nut-free classes and lunch tables, or banning one childhood staple—peanut butter and jelly—altogether. Some enforce policies by inspecting lunch bags and asking parents to send in ingredient labels, prompting a backlash from those who see the measures as political correctness run amok or an overreaction by anxious parents.

Snarky comments about the "peanut police" pepper blogs and online message boards. "We are considering dressing our daughter on Halloween as 'The Death Peanut,'" one parent joked.

It's not unusual to hear about parents who have tried to sabotage food-allergy policies and children who have been teased or bullied by their nonallergic classmates. In fact, some parents of allergic children have filed civil rights complaints with the U.S. Department of Education (DOE), and in the last five years at least 14 of these cases against elementary and secondary schools have resulted in the department's issuing "resolution" letters that required a change in school policy, according to do***ents obtained by Child through a Freedom of Information Act request.

Saint Edward Elementary School, a Brockton, MA, private parochial school that receives federal funds and is associated with the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston, refused to admit an extremely peanut-allergic student into kindergarten, according to the do***ents and local news coverage. As part of the settlement, the school agreed, without admitting any fault, to amend its policies and to reimburse the family for the extra tuition it had paid at another school.

Two nut-allergic children in the Union County, NC, public schools were found by the DOE to have been harassed in separate incidents at Antioch Elementary School and Sun Valley Middle School. Among the shocking findings investigators do***ented: a parent of a nonallergic child announced at a PTO meeting that he'd continue sending his child to the elementary school with peanut butter sandwiches and tell his child to "smear" the peanut butter along the hallway walls.

At the middle school, a teacher brought in a homemade casserole containing nuts and invited the allergic boy to eat it; when he said he couldn't because of his allergies, she had him stand outside the classroom (in the cold) while the other students ate. This child was also taunted and bullied by other students in the cafeteria, including one who refused to move from a peanut-free lunch table and ate a peanut butter sandwich—which resulted in the boy's suffering an extreme allergic reaction that landed him in the hospital, the do***ents show. The schools, while not admitting fault, agreed to change their food-allergy policies, according to the settlement do***ents. A spokeswoman for the schools told Child these were isolated incidents and that they try to do right by every student.

Baffling Unknowns
Fueling the discord are surprisingly large gaps in knowledge about food allergies, which is leading to mistrust and misunderstanding among parents and making living with this newly rampant childhood diagnosis a high-anxiety experience. How many children have food allergies? Are the numbers growing, and if so, why? How dangerous are these allergies? And what kinds of protections and policies are needed to keep children safe? None of these questions are easy to answer.

"This is a disease that hasn't been studied well. The science has to catch up," says Anne Munoz-Furlong, a leading authority and founder of the Food Allergy & Anaphylaxis Network (FAAN), a Fairfax, VA-based research and advocacy group.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration estimates that about 5% of children have food allergies (primarily to milk, eggs, peanuts, and tree nuts). Experts consider the data "soft" because some studies use small samples and others rely on self-reports

A much-cited 2003 study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City and FAAN found that the number of children reporting peanut allergies had doubled between 1997 and 2002, from 1 in 250 to 1 in 125; the highest rate was for those 5 years old and under. The numbers, obtained through phone interviews, don't meet the gold standard of having been verified by medical tests. Still, studies that draw on reports from elementary schools and school nurses also suggest that the incidence of childhood food allergies is rising, as does a mountain of anecdotal evidence.

Reactions to food allergies can range from runny noses and rashes to anaphylactic shock, a severe reaction that can involve closing up of airways, a dramatic drop in blood pressure, and unconsciousness and can even lead to death. But diagnosing these allergies is surprisingly difficult. The blood and skin-prick tests that are widely used, for example, have false-positive rates as high as 50% (although negative test results are usually reliable). Allergies to nuts—especially peanuts—get the most attention and cause the most fear because research shows that they're the most deadly and persistent. A 2001 study of 32 deaths over five years from food-induced anaphylaxis found that tree nuts and peanuts were responsible for 94% of the fatalities—with peanuts the culprit in 63% of the cases.

Only about 20% of children are believed to outgrow peanut allergies, while about 85% have historically outgrown egg and milk allergies by age 5, according to Scott Sicherer, M.D., an associate professor of pediatrics at Mount Sinai and author of Understanding and Managing Your Child's Food Allergies. (Robert Wood, M.D., director of the Division of Pediatric Allergy and Immunology at Johns Hopkins Children's Center in Baltimore, notes, however, that his new research is indicating that milk and egg allergies are growing more stubborn, with "no more than 50%" of children outgrowing them.)

It's the risk of death, of course, that can send parents into paroxysms of fear, and the statistics on that are soft too. Research suggests that 20,000 to 30,000 Americans a year land in emergency rooms from food-induced anaphylaxis, though experts say the actual number is probably higher. An estimated 150 to 200 people die each year from it, but that number is an extrapolation from a small study using data two decades old in which researchers examined the medical records of 1,255 people in a Minnesota county and found one anaphylaxis death. Mortality records at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) list anaphylactic shock from an adverse food reaction as a factor in 12 deaths in 2004, the latest year with available data. But the CDC says it's hard to know if those numbers reflect the true situation or are due to underreporting by doctors and hospitals.

Paranoid or Prudent?
Unless a child has already had an anaphylactic reaction to a food, the surest way to determine whether an allergy exists is to have what's called an oral challenge—in which the child is fed the suspected food under the supervision of a doctor. But this test sometimes is not given because of the fear of inducing a severe reaction. As a result, "some kids may be going through life thinking they'll keel over and die if they have a peanut, and it's not necessarily true," says Darshak Sanghavi, M.D., a University of Massachusetts Medical School assistant professor of pediatrics. In a column for The Boston Globe, he argued that the peanut allergy "epidemic" may be overblown. "There is a lot of fear-mongering and stoking of parents' anxieties," Dr. Sanghavi says.

In fact, the Canadian 15-year-old who was widely reported to have died after kissing a boy who'd eaten peanut butter ("Kiss of Death," screamed a People headline) had actually suc***bed to an asthma attack that led to "cerebral anoxia," a lack of oxygen to the brain, according to the Quebec coroner's report. "One needs to put anxiety about childhood food allergies into context, as part of the culture of fear in parenting today," Dr. Sanghavi says. "If it wasn't peanuts that were feared, it would be something else."

Among many allergy researchers and medical practitioners, there's a recognition that some schools and parents are overreacting. There is some hysteria, acknowledges Dr. Wood, who, like many experts, calls the schoolwide bans of nuts unnecessary in upper elementary grades and beyond. Adds Dr. Weil: "I tell parents of allergic children they need to be realistically paranoid. There is a risk of being overprotective and over-cir***scribing kids' lives."

Yet food-allergic children and their parents are wrestling with some terrifying unknowns: There's no cure for food allergies and no sure way to predict the severity of a child's allergic reaction on any given day. Doctors say the best defense is to have children strictly avoid the allergen and have epinephrine on hand to administer quickly in case of a reaction. "With a food allergy, the onus is on the family to be on guard. If you make a mistake, someone in your family could die," says Munoz-Furlong of FAAN. "That's a tall order for anyone."

Researchers have just begun to study the psychological fallout, but the evidence that allergic children and families are hurting is startling. According to a 2003 study conducted by the University of Southampton in England, peanut-allergic children feel more restricted and more stressed in their daily lives than those with insulin-dependent diabetes. A 2000 Canadian study reported that children with peanut allergies have a lower quality of life than even those with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.

It's also not unusual for children to develop peculiar eating habits or anxieties after a severe allergic reaction, especially if it landed them in the emergency room, says Munoz-Furlong. Additionally, "if a parent has read a label and the child eats the food and has a reaction, it's not uncommon for the child to no longer trust the parent to know how to take care of him."

Sometimes parents fare no better. A new study of 120 parents of allergic children conducted by the University of Derby in England found that 36% had high levels of depression and anxiety—more than people just diagnosed with cancer. "It's hard to relax," says Gina Clowes, who runs an online support group at allergymoms.com. "Food is everywhere. You always have to be careful."

The Guardian Grind
Allergic children and their parents not only check the label of every food consumed, but they're also careful about where they dine, calling restaurant chefs ahead of time to see how food is prepared and asking hostesses not to serve the allergic food in their homes. Many also say they keep close tabs on their children, limiting playdates at friends' houses (because they don't trust other parents to be vigilant enough) and always volunteering to be the class parent to make sure treats for school parties are safe.

"I follow my daughter around like a hawk," admits Beth Gorab, a Wayne, NJ, mom whose 6-year-old, Casey, is allergic to milk, beef, pork, and lamb. Like many moms interviewed, she says she accompanies Casey to all her friends' birthday parties—with a dose of epinephrine, a bag of safe snacks, and wipes to clean tables, kids' faces, and hands. Gorab is frequently the only parent in attendance.

Denise Bunning is a Lake Forest, IL, mother of two food-allergic sons, ages 13 and 10, who had anaphylactic reactions, and is the co-founder of a nonprofit advocacy group, the Food Allergy Project. She says she came to lunch at her sons' elementary school every day until each in turn felt comfortable looking out for himself--and told her outright to stop.

Last January a federal law went into effect requiring manufacturers to specify on labels any major allergen, like nuts or milk, a food contains. This was designed to prevent people with allergies from accidentally eating unsafe foods, but the reality is that accidents can happen even under parents' watchful eyes. Teymourian-Brahms's son Miles had an allergic reaction at age 16 months when he took one bite of a bagel that his mom, Jaleh, bought at a store. "I had asked if the bagels had any egg or nut products in them, and what kind of oil they used, and if they fried the bagel in something, was it fried with eggs? But the knife had been used to cut something else, and I forgot to ask them to wash the knife," she says.

Danger and Estrangement
A 1998 study by researchers at Mount Sinai and the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences in Little Rock suggests that 55% of peanut-allergic children will suffer at least one reaction within a five-year period as a result of such accidental ingestions. Although the vast majority of reactions won't be life-threatening, the fact remains that any one of them could be. And a severe allergic reaction that goes untreated can swiftly kill a child. A 1992 study of 13 children who had severe food-allergic reactions found that receiving epinephrine within 30 minutes usually meant the difference between life and death.

Families of allergic children are sometimes stunned by the lack of understanding and sympathy from others. "Relatives that you thought would support you? Forget it," says Clowes. She says she had a "big fight and falling out" with some relatives after she and her family would not attend a large family celebration because it included "peanuts and potato chips fried in peanut oil. And the nearest doctor was going to be at least a half hour away," she says. "My husband and I discussed this, and we knew the stress would be too much."

Some marriages have been rocked by food allergies, too, as one parent sees the other as being too protective while that parent accuses the other of not being protective enough. "Someone should do a paper about the marital strife it causes," says Jane Benson, a Plymouth, MI, mother whose 16-year-old son, Paul, has peanut and tree nut allergies.

Socially, both allergic and nonallergic children are sometimes finding themselves in awkward and difficult predicaments. After St. Stephen's Preschool in Millburn, NJ, went nut-free in 2005, one parent sent his child to school with a "disguised" peanut butter sandwich, with peanut butter smeared only in the middle of the bread, according to Sheelagh C. Clarke, the preschool director. (Full disclosure: This writer had a child enrolled at the school at the time.) Aides found out after the child innocently announced that her father had told her not to tell anyone she was eating a peanut butter sandwich.

Bullying and teasing become issues especially for older kids, FAAN says. Two years ago, after peanut-free-zone signs went up in Paul Benson's high school, a student began calling Paul "Peanut Kid" and threatened to punch him. Then an editor at the school newspaper wrote an op-ed decrying the new policy and suggesting that allergic children should be home-schooled. "Paul felt like the whole school was against him," says Jane.

School Rules
In fact, some parents say they don't like the idea of peanut-free lunch tables precisely because they think the arrangement can ostracize kids as they get older. Meanwhile, interviews suggest that a fear of severe inhalation and skin reactions is leading some schools and parents to isolate allergic children more than may be necessary.

Research shows that most allergic children probably wouldn't have severe reactions from air or skin contact with peanut butter, even though they might if they ate it. In a 2003 study led by Dr. Sicherer, 30 highly peanut-allergic children had a pea-size amount of peanut butter rubbed on their skin for a minute and sniffed peanut butter for 10 minutes; they also had the same tests with placebos. The result: not a single reaction that required any kind of treatment. A few of the children were red where rubbed. One had a reaction to the sniffed placebo—"probably a fear response," Dr. Sicherer says. The belief, he says, is that allergens are more likely to become airborne and cause reactions when food is powdery (bags of peanuts opened on a plane) or cooked (such as boiling milk or frying fish).

One reason some experts recommend nut-free classrooms for preschool and the early elementary grades is that young children often put their hands in their mouths. FAAN opposes schoolwide bans of any allergen, saying they can give a false sense of security because it's difficult to guarantee that no nut products make it into a school. There is no federal policy on what constitutes appropriate school responses, although a few states have developed voluntary guidelines. Doctors say parents of allergic children should ask their physician what makes sense for their child's age and allergic severity.

Meanwhile, allergic children and their parents continue to struggle to find a way to lead a safe life—without suc***bing to fear. It's a daunting challenge, given the paucity of conclusive research and the awful reality that one mistake could mean death.

After Paul Benson had allergic reactions in middle school that seemed to arise just from sitting near a classmate who was eating a peanut candy bar, his school banned peanut products from large areas of the school. When he enrolled in driver's education in high school, participants were forbidden to eat nut products in the car or in the waiting room, and the bowl of treats for student drivers was removed, says his mom Jane.

Paul's doctor told him inhalation reactions were rare and offered to give him a sniff test; Paul declined. He eats lunch with one friend in the teacher's lounge and hasn't been to a movie in more than four years. "The last time we went was at 10:30 a.m. so it wasn't crowded, and he was fine," says Jane. "But he said it made him nervous to think someone behind him might be eating a Reese's cup."

A Fix in Five Years?
Right now the only "treatment" for food allergies is to have young children scrupulously avoid what they're allergic to and always keep a dose of epinephrine (discovered around 1900) handy in case they begin to stop breathing. But some new avenues of research show real promise. Doctors say that within the next five years any one of these approaches could yield a breakthrough:

Immunotherapy for Food Allergies
Injecting food allergens is dangerous, and there are no allergy shots for food allergies like those for hay fever. But trials of oral and sublingual (under-the-tongue) immunotherapy are getting some good results at Duke University School of Medicine in Durham, NC, and elsewhere. Young peanut-allergic children take a tiny amount of peanut powder (0.0003 of a peanut) to start, build up to a whole peanut, and then continue on a peanut a day. Some reactions occur, but by the time children reach a peanut a day their symptoms are largely gone.

Bioengineered Proteins
Scientists at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City and other research centers are taking the DNA that makes up the protein in peanuts and altering it to make a new, hypoallergenic protein that could switch off allergic reactions. So far, it's only worked with peanuts and only in animals, but human trials could start within about a year.

Chinese Herbal Medicine
Remedies based on those that have been used for centuries in China are being submitted for FDA approval and are shortly expected to go into human trials at Mount Sinai, with participants taking tablets that include ingredients from roots and fruits. Because of herbal medicine's success in China (and in animal trials here), researchers suspect the tablets will largely block allergic symptoms.

Anti-IgE Therapy
In this approach, already approved for adult asthma (as the medicine Xolair), scientists genetically engineer an antibody that disables a natural antibody, known as IgE, that triggers allergic reactions. Researchers hope to pursue an FDA-approved anti-IgE therapy for food allergies as well.—Jenn Andrlik

Where are the Allergies Coming From?
Scientists have many theories about why food allergy cases seem to be rising in the western world. One is that it might be due to better diagnosis—children with allergies today might have simply been labeled sickly or as having weak stomachs in the past. Some point to baby skincare products containing common food allergens or to mothers' eating peanut products and then passing them in breast milk.

Food preparation has also been blamed. The U.S. and industrialized nations tend to roast peanuts, although in China, which has a high consumption of nuts yet a lower rate of nut allergies, nuts are generally boiled or fried.

The most popular theory is the hygiene hypothesis, which suggests that as our environment has become more hygienic—people keep themselves and their homes cleaner and use antibiotics to fight infections and vaccinations to prevent illnesses—people's immune systems have begun to attack otherwise harmless proteins in food, causing allergic reactions, or in the air, causing asthma. Each theory has its holes and detractors, though. For instance, the hygiene hypothesis doesn't explain why children in inner-city communities, which have been do***ented as having poorer hygiene, have the highest rate of asthma in the U.S. As frustrating as the lack of certainty is for allergy sufferers and their parents, science doesn't have a clear answer just yet.—P.K.

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What evidence would make you believe that the United States government was directly involved in planning and carrying out 9/11? Although I have read and posted in many 9/11 threads, I have never seen actual evidence showing the government was involved. I have read about suspicion and lack of evidence to suggest implied guilt but that in and of itself is not evidence.

Please feel free to:
1. Describe what level of evidence is necessary for you to believe in a conspiracy.
2. Post any real evidence you have so others who do not have access to it, can re-examine their answer to the above question.

Again, feel free to post real evidence so we can give a better informed answer to the question but when posting, please show the source of the evidence so we can give it the weight it deserves as opposed to hearsay.

Also, please DON'T just post links and tell people to go look. Tell us what we are going to find at those links and expound on why you want us to got there and look.

I know these threads can get pretty heated so please treat others the way you want to be treated.


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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:10 AM by jfj123


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To answer my own question, I would need to treat it like a courtroom trial. I would consider the government innocent until proven guilty.

I would accept testimony of the conspirators.
Physical evidence from the crime scenes.
Proof of complicity to cover up, alter, or destroy evidence.

Obviously even if there was a conspiracy, we would never hear Bush come out and admit to it so asking for that type of evidence might be a bit silly.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:15 AM by Double Eights




Originally posted by jfj123
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Proof of complicity to cover up, alter, or destroy evidence.




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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:20 AM by saturnsrings


The only evidence I need is the video clip from the pentagon, which does not show a large passenger jet aircraft, plowing into the pentagon. All it shows is a missile/small aircraft. that alone is reasonable doubt to the governments official report/story. Well, that and there was no wreckage from a 757/767 at the pentagon, oh that perfect hole in the c ring too. I doubt a vaporized plane could pull that off, but I'd guess a cruise missile could.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:25 AM by ULTIMA1




Originally posted by jfj123
What evidence would make you believe that the United States government was directly involved in planning and carrying out 9/11?



Well i do not have evidence (yet) of the governemnt being directly involved but i have aleady posted evidnece that they had lots of warnings and could have stopped it.

Also the government should release videos, photos, reports and evidence so it does not appear that they are covering up.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:28 AM by jfj123




Originally posted by saturnsrings
The only evidence I need is the video clip from the pentagon, which does not show a large passenger jet aircraft, plowing into the pentagon.


Could you please post the video? The only video I've seen is the CCTV video which showed nothing traveling through the field of vision as it was between frames.



Well, that and there was no wreckage from a 757/767 at the pentagon,


I have seen photos of crash debris at the pentagon. What would you suggest about those photos?
example:
atsmedia.cachefly.net...



oh that perfect hole in the c ring too. I doubt a vaporized plane could pull that off, but I'd guess a cruise missile could.


What is this belief based on? What have you seen that you can use as a comparison?

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I believe you've made some interesting points that have brought these questions to my attention. Thanks for your help.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:31 AM by jfj123




Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Originally posted by jfj123
What evidence would make you believe that the United States government was directly involved in planning and carrying out 9/11?



Well i do not have evidence (yet) of the governemnt being directly involved but i have aleady posted evidnece that they had lots of warnings and could have stopped it.


The government itself has stated that they F-ed up and that there were plenty of signs they should have seen. Massive incompetence rarely turns out well.



Also the government should release videos, photos, reports and evidence so it does not appear that they are covering up.


I agree. I would like to see 100% disclosure to the American public.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:35 AM by Double Eights




Originally posted by jfj123
The government itself has stated that they F-ed up and that there were plenty of signs they should have seen. Massive incompetence rarely turns out well.



If it was all just one big "goof" by the Bush Administration, why are they all still in power? Why did many within the Administration get promotions after 9/11?

Read my two links, and tell me the Bush Administration didn't go out of their way to allow an attack. Tell me the Bush Administration didn't try to cover-up what happened that day.

If there is nothing to hide, why is it hidden?



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:37 AM by jfj123




Originally posted by Double Eights


Originally posted by jfj123
The government itself has stated that they F-ed up and that there were plenty of signs they should have seen. Massive incompetence rarely turns out well.



If it was all just one big "goof" by the Bush Administration, why are they all still in power? Why did many within the Administration get promotions after 9/11?


I would venture to guess it's just like any other big business in that if you have powerful friends, you are safe. It's a classic example of The Old Boys Network.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:51 AM by Spaxz


As for you indepth answer you want i don't have for you because:

A Conspiracy is a Idea, Opinion of a event that has happened and no "Hard Evidence" to colaberate the story.

I myself do not believe it was the government involved in the 9/11 attacks but that of the Elitist who are working towards a NWO. It is more than obvious that alot of the stuff in the Offical report does not add up. Therefore leaving questions to be asked.

There will be no Evidence strong enough to prove this because the "sheep of the world" find it easier to live in ignorance than the truth, just because it is easier to go on with there day to day lives.

I believe there are people out there that will take the time to try and prove it to you.

Now my question to you OP is:

1) With all of the questions that surround this conspiracy, what proves that there was nothing else to the 9/11 attacks?

2) Do you know anything at all about the Elitist that control our everyday lives?

3) With the North American properganda that we recieve from our authority's why does anyone believe what we are told? Is it because we are programed to believe what we are told by the news and authority's?

History is written by the Victor's of war. The German population was told Poland attack Germany in WWII, so what is true is only to be known by the people who were there. Listen the the FD/PD eye witness testimony, that alone is enough for me. Why would this men and women lie about what the heard and saw when so many of there comrades were killed.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:52 AM by saturnsrings


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You can find pictures and videos of everything I said, on the pages of ats, if you want to see them just let your fingers do the clicking.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:57 AM by biggie smalls


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There is plenty of evidence to suggest multiple governments were involved in the 911 attacks, whether in the planning or execution stage.

I have started a thread on that very subject, but its nowhere near complete.

I have at least one source mentioning the FBI suppressing information regarding the 911 attacks, but so far I don't have physical proof the US government was involved.

However, there's more evidence than hearsay to implicate ISI, Mossad, and possibly others in the attacks.

There is no way these agencies could have been operating in the US in such large numbers without US help or negligence.

Our government was involved whether we want to believe it or not. Its a bit scary, but several laws to help you understand what kind of leaders we have include The Patriot Act which is a response to the 911 attacks.

There's also the Patriot Act 2 and the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention bill.

Why would the government need to pass these laws? To protect us? No. They do not care. They want more and more power. More and more control.

The Homegrown terrorism bill is for revolutionaries sick of the fascist federalist control of the world. The government can now incriminate pretty much anyone on ATS for speaking against the government.

We are all criminals now.

In my opinion, the increasing government security could only have happened after a false flag (or "real") terrorist attack.

The government needed a reason to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. That's two smoking guns right there.

We just don't have the physical evidence (well most of us anyway). If you research the money laundering done prior to 911 there's overwhelming evidence that Wall Street was involved.

This is not simply a cut and dry case here. There are many many elements involved and we are only scratching the surface.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:02 PM by jfj123




Originally posted by Spaxz
As for you indepth answer you want i don't have for you because:

A Conspiracy is a Idea, Opinion of a event that has happened and no "Hard Evidence" to colaberate the story.


But for it to be reasonably true, there must be some factually based information available. If not, it's like believing in Santa Claus.



I myself do not believe it was the government involved in the 9/11 attacks but that of the Elitist who are working towards a NWO. It is more than obvious that alot of the stuff in the Offical report does not add up. Therefore leaving questions to be asked.


What in the official reports, do not add up and why?



There will be no Evidence strong enough to prove this because the "sheep of the world" find it easier to live in ignorance than the truth, just because it is easier to go on with there day to day lives.


I think if someone could provide any reasonable amount of evidence, alot of people would change their opinions.



I believe there are people out there that will take the time to try and prove it to you.


Although I am not looking for proof, only evidence, I would greatly appreciate it if they did.



Now my question to you OP is:

1) With all of the questions that surround this conspiracy, what proves that there was nothing else to the 9/11 attacks?


PROOF is a strong word. I will say that the lack of evidence to support there was anything more to to the 9/11 attack, makes me believe the basic official story-Al Queda terrorists plotted and carried out the attacks.



2) Do you know anything at all about the Elitist that control our everyday lives?


No. Who are they? How do you know who they are? How exactly do they control our daily lives in relation to 9/11?



3) With the North American properganda that we recieve from our authority's why does anyone believe what we are told?


I don't believe most of what we're told from the government. My thought is that they're too incompetent to pull off something of this magnitude.



Is it because we are programed to believe what we are told by the news and authority's?


I don't believe the majority of what I hear from either.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:03 PM by jfj123




Originally posted by saturnsrings
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You can find pictures and videos of everything I said, on the pages of ats, if you want to see them just let your fingers do the clicking.





I was hoping to have the discussion on this thread. That's why I was asking that people post their information here. Thanks anyway though.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:12 PM by Double Eights




Originally posted by jfj123
What in the official reports, do not add up and why?



Everything in the report doesn't add up. It's completely full of lies, half-truths, omissions, fallacies, misconception's, cover-ups, etc.. I won't go into detail, as there are plenty of threads on ATS that you can find which will tell you.



I think if someone could provide any reasonable amount of evidence, alot of people would change their opinions.



You can't provide evidence that is locked away in storage, most likely never to be seen by the US populace. And then when that slight chance the information will be released, it turns out the building catches on fire and everything inside is destroyed.



PROOF is a strong word. I will say that the lack of evidence to support there was anything more to to the 9/11 attack, makes me believe the basic official story-Al Queda terrorists plotted and carried out the attacks.



What makes you think we will ever get proof? It's been over 40 years since JFK was assassinated, and we still don't have any PROOF that it was a conspiracy. However, you ask anyone what they think, and they will tell you Oswald wasn't the sole gunman.



No. Who are they? How do you know who they are? How exactly do they control our daily lives in relation to 9/11?



Endgame....watch it. You will be given a partial list of the "Elites," and how they do what they do. Search NWO quotes on ATS, and you'll learn more about who the "Elites" are.



I don't believe most of what we're told from the government. My thought is that they're too incompetent to pull off something of this magnitude.



Yeah, their so incompetant that they managed to pass laws that strip away civil liberties from the American people, without ANY complications. So incompetant that they passed legislation that merged the USA/Canada/Mexico together, again without ANY complication. Just because Bush sounds like a moron on television, doesn't mean the people behind closed doors are just as stupid.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:20 PM by Spaxz


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I'm not that great in replying to posts like you are but in my reply Santa Clause is a Conspiracy with kids.lol.

As for your questions there is no real hard evidence to 9/11 because it was all destroyed by our government right after it was cleaned up.

If you don't know about the Elitist you should watch ENDGAME, it is a great introduction to them. But the documentry has alot of theory involved. If you read Daniel Estulin book "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group" you will learn alot in how they do it. It is too complex for me to try and explain on this thread without leaving some holes in it. It is fact of what they are trying to accomplish, and the supposit government is smart enough to pull of 9/11, and one good proof of that is you already believe there incompetent when there not. These people are Master of Pychological warfare and have learned alot about past empires trying to rule the world, and my hat goes off to them and so far it's working. They have been at work for this for decades and only in the last 10yrs have they been more and more talked about and because of that they are speeding up there process, hence 9/11. This is a topic that i know alot about but don't bother talking about on here because there is to much to say about it. "They" are genuises



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:46 PM by ULTIMA1




Originally posted by jfj123 I have seen photos of crash debris at the pentagon.



Yes there are photos of parts but no reports matching these parts to Flight 77.




Originally posted by jfj123 Massive incompetence rarely turns out well.



Well if agencies like NORAD were incompetent why was no one fired? In fact people at NORAD were promoted and given awards.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:47 PM by jfj123




Originally posted by Double Eights
Originally posted by jfj123
What in the official reports, do not add up and why?

Everything in the report doesn't add up. It's completely full of lies, half-truths, omissions, fallacies, misconception's, cover-ups, etc.. I won't go into detail, as there are plenty of threads on ATS that you can find which will tell you.


So if it's so black and white, why hasn't anyone, even Rosie O'Donnell simply show the evidence on TV so we can put everyone in jail? You stated that the WHOLE report is a lie. This should be very easy to PROVE.



I think if someone could provide any reasonable amount of evidence, alot of people would change their opinions.

You can't provide evidence that is locked away in storage, most likely never to be seen by the US populace. And then when that slight chance the information will be released, it turns out the building catches on fire and everything inside is destroyed.


If nobody has seen the evidence, then we don't even know if there is any right? If we don't even know whether or not evidence exists, we don't know whether or not there has been a conspiracy.



PROOF is a strong word. I will say that the lack of evidence to support there was anything more to to the 9/11 attack, makes me believe the basic official story-Al Queda terrorists plotted and carried out the attacks.

What makes you think we will ever get proof?


Nothing, you used the word in your previous post. I was expounding on that.



No. Who are they? How do you know who they are? How exactly do they control our daily lives in relation to 9/11?

Endgame....watch it. You will be given a partial list of the "Elites," and how they do what they do. Search NWO quotes on ATS, and you'll learn more about who the "Elites" are.


So a show called Endgame describes a supposed group of people. Is there real evidence of this or is it just more supposition?



I don't believe most of what we're told from the government. My thought is that they're too incompetent to pull off something of this magnitude.

Yeah, their so incompetant that they managed to pass laws that strip away civil liberties from the American people, without ANY complications. So incompetant that they passed legislation that merged the USA/Canada/Mexico together, again without ANY complication. Just because Bush sounds like a moron on television, doesn't mean the people behind closed doors are just as stupid.


And the fact that you even know about these items of legislation means they're not that bright. The fact that they keep getting caught doing things tells me they're not that bright. The fact that the Bush Administrations approval rating is under 20% tells me the people behind the scenes aren't that bright. Look if you want to pull something over on the public, the last thing you want is that they're unhappy. If they're kept happy, they won't look at what you're doing so closely.


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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:52 PM by jfj123




Originally posted by ULTIMA1


Originally posted by jfj123 I have seen photos of crash debris at the pentagon.



Yes there are photos of parts but no reports matching these parts to Flight 77.




Originally posted by jfj123 Massive incompetence rarely turns out well.



Well if agencies like NORAD were incompetent why was no one fired? In fact people at NORAD were promoted and given awards.



[edit on 16-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]



For the same reason I explained before. If you have powerful friends, you are safe. Remember the moron in charge of FEMA? The incompetent moron who couldn't even organize a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Bush actually got on TV and said he was doing a good job.

The Old Boys Network is alive and well in politics.

The world isn't a fair place.



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reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 12:56 PM by ULTIMA1




Originally posted by jfj123 For the same reason I explained before. If you have powerful friends, you are safe.



Problem is that an angeny like NORAD is held responsable for protecting lives, so they can be held accountable.

The other side of that is that government and military people getting punished or fired for speaking out against the official story.



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[ChumpDumper]

Guess what dumbass, you're the one hanging out on a thread devoted to me, responding to my comments, and talking about me. So who's the puppet, fucko?You are.

And your team sucks.

Replying will only prove both.

[Saguaro]

The original poster makes a lot of good points.

[BacktoBasics]

This thread is not about bashing atheists, but to make an attempt to understand them! ATS has had a big influx of evangelical Christians, a large group of them within the last few months. This may be possible with atheists also, but I don’t know. Is it possible that the former are just louder and more tenacious?

I thought that it was necessary to bring this thread up – due to all the mud slinging, and name calling, that we have been reading lately between; primarily the two groups.

Disclaimer:

1. I am not a religious person. I am not Christian, nor atheist, nor any other labeled group. But I am a spiritual person that happens to believe in the existence of God.

2. If we can end this debate over the validity or existence or non-existence of God, this would probably make a lot of us happier. You cannot disprove, or prove, the existence of a higher power! To believe either way requires faith. Agnostics believe that and so don’t take a stand either way. My husband calls agnostics: codependent atheists. But that is another story.

I can say that I have had personal attention from God that he has introduced himself to me, and I would be telling you the truth. But, I do not expect many of you to believe that. That is fine with me.

I have been inundated with atheists all of my life – both in my nuclear family and extended family. I think that I have come to understand them fairly well. That is not to say that we can converse without some heat at times. But it helps if we can understand one another.

Here are my thoughts as to why atheists become or choose to be atheists:

Atheist through traumatic events: Many atheists I have found have given up the idea or belief in God due to a tragic event in their lives. My father was an atheist all the way up to three months before his death. Before he died was the only time I heard him question his beliefs regarding the non-existence of God.

His history: he was left on the kitchen floor of his home at the age of 2, dressed only in diapers when his mother took off with his older sister, never to be seen or heard of again! He was left with a father that was emotionally unavailable. Dad’s only recourse besides taking it out on a dog – perhaps, was to believe that there could not be a God, because why would God allow this to happen to a little baby boy?

He fought in hand to hand combat against the Germans in WWII in France. There is that old saying; “There are no atheists in a foxhole or dugout.” I will never know if he remained true to his beliefs while under fire.

Another atheist member of my family lost her son in a motorcycle accident while driving under the influence and hit a parked car at 80 miles an hour. She did not have fuzzy, cozy feelings about God anyway (being an academic), but after that incident, she became a staunch religious atheist. She and her husband joined a skeptics group that meets regularly. They read their magazines and promote their literature to anyone (often in demonstrably angry ways) who will listen. Remind you of anyone??

The stand they take is in believing that there must not be a God, because look what happened to them! Their only way to get even is to; denounce God. There is no other recourse; they cannot turn him in to Child Protection Services. So they often spend an inordinate amount of time talking about a God they don’t believe in. By denouncing him they can subvert some of their anger.

I can say; I understand where they are coming from.

Atheist through academia: I have met many in this category. Many of my family members would subscribe to this origin. Some of my in-laws will openly admit that academia is the only route and that science is what they adhere to. (I might add: their God!) I understand it though. They need to replace God with something!

They are all professionals ie, lawyers, doctors, judges etc. To put it plainly and simply; in their eyes it is just not “cool” to believe in something as corny as God. It is by far too rudimentary for their tastes. Something they associate with the lower elements of society…the uneducated, non-evolved masses. Man is far too intelligent of a species to look to a higher power, and certainly is not in need of one. Academia is certainly the advocate of this thinking, and even promotes it.

Atheist through religion: When I left religion a few years ago I decided to go to many ex- (fill in the blank) religious forums. What I found stunned me! But why it should, I don’t know. I would say that probably 80% of those that left religion became atheists! They threw the baby out with the bath water. If religion was wrong, God must be wrong also. To this day I find that most cannot detach God from religion. The two were so enmeshed they cannot separate them. Religion in essence became the God! So they tossed him out.

Many of us have been the brunt of abuse from religion and have suffered shame and guilt being thrown at us. For many of us this would include: the stalwart Christian soldiers with their ever so loving tactics, LOL! It is truly no wonder that many include God in that inventory.

Atheist through hedonism: The; “I don’t want to be judged for what I do or don’t do,” category. They don’t want big brother and that includes the big one in the sky – looking over them. So we will pretend that “HE” doesn’t exist! They live now, get all one can out of life, with no Godly repercussions, or healthy boundaries. They just want to “feel good” and will go to many lengths to do so, and don’t want to be judged for it. Those that are honest, will own their own consequences. They just don’t want God dragged into the equation.

Some of these individuals will alter their beliefs if forced to enter recovery programs. I watched many staunch atheists change after experiencing Godly interventions – experiences that could not be answered through science (the God of science proved to be too fickle).

Dolly Parton once said; “I have known a lot of atheists, but I’ve never known a happy one!”

I cannot say that I agree with that entirely. I have known some that were comfortable in their skin. But I will say; that in my experience I have seen a thread of anger that seems to permeate them as a whole. But then again, that is my experience…and I have to say; in many ways I cannot blame them!

Many of you will have your thoughts, and I welcome them. Just remember, this is not a thread for mud slinging and name calling! Let’s be grown up about this.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:18 PM by xXMakaXx


I'm far from religious but i don't really think i'm athiest either.If i had to call myself anything it would be a realist.I've read the bible(s) and they are nothing more than books to me.I've read the old testament,the new testament and the satanic bible and have yet to find any of them to be worth the paper they are printed on.They are full of contradictions if anything.


Everybody needs a crutch.For some people it's alcohol and drugs and for others it's religion.If anything religion is one hell of a hustle but nothing more and if anyone has any proof otherwise i would be more than happy to listen.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:22 PM by MatrixProphet


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If i had to call myself anything it would be a realist.



Yes, I call myself that also. Once I left religion I realized I had a lot of choices. But I could not drop the God thing as he had made himself too evident in my life, otherwise, who knows! I could be calling myself atheist also if it weren't for divine intervention.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:38 PM by xXMakaXx


It's crazy how many people actually believe though.Here's something that struck me as funny awhile back.

I was discussing apparitions with someone and they rolled their eyes and said "you don't seriously believe in that do you".I expressed that i did and then asked them if they were at all religious and they responded that they were and went to church every sunday.So i said "What,it's ok to believe in your ghost but not mine"?

It was amazing how quickly they were offended and were so adamant that religion was real and everything i believed in couldn't be.Their only shred of "proof" was an incomplete book of "scriptures" full of BS and contradictions yet i was wrong for believing in something i have actually SEEN.

I get a good laugh at these people.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:45 PM by goose


I am an atheist. Two years ago I went to bed praying and woke up an atheist, as I sometimes think things through in my sleep I must have pondered the idea of God without bringing in the brainwashing stuff from our society and used only logic and of course woke up an atheist.

I do believe the bible has a lot of history and legend mixed into a brew of hatred and contradicitions. The bible says one thing in one book and then completely contradicts itself in another book. It's confusing and meant to be so.

I'm always amazed at the people who will survive something awful and give their luck at surviving as a proof that God was looking after them. LOL If God who controls everything had something to do with the survival then he must have sent or allowed that horror to come down on their butt in the first place. LOL

I do believe there was a Jesus in history but I do not believe he was God's son. He was someone who due to his mother's lies to keep herself alive as well as her child's (don't forget they killed unmarried pregnant women back then, so what woman with any sense would not scream god inpregnated her to stay alive) of course might have actually believed himself to be God's son which ultimately brought him to his death.

There is no God, never has been and never will be! .................................................. .................................................. .........................................I'm still here! LOL

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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:45 PM by MatrixProphet


When you experience something profound, often it is hard to put into words.

We all can suffer from contempt prior to investigation at times!

I just don't like the God Box. The reality of most - putting God into a tight box with a lid. And anything that does not fit their definition or into their equation regarding God, cannot be right in their eyes.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:47 PM by MatrixProphet


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I respect your opinion. We agree on many things but the result.

Thank you!



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:50 PM by asilvahalo


I am an atheist and I think I come from some sort of combination of academia & religion in what led me to this conclusion.

That is, I think the tools of academia got me questioning things (that I was questioning anyway, and had been early on.), but my negative experiences with religion and my ultimate feeling that the majority of times it is used to maintain the status quo, as a tool to keep people subjugated, and to encourage people that focusing on being happy in this world is unimportant, and that they must focus on an afterlife which may or may not exist.

There is a school of thought that says that all religion tends toward fundamentalism, and I worry that it's true. Even without that, I feel belief in the afterlife and the higher power often keeps people from fully enjoying themselves, fully exploring their opportunities, and often results in a problematic amount of self-negation because it's the "moral" thing to do.

So 1. I don't find the evidence compelling that it's the truth, and 2. I don't find the evidence compelling that the belief is necessarily good or healthy.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:50 PM by xXMakaXx


So what is it that "athiests" believe in?I've always been a little confused by that.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:53 PM by LockwithnoKey


I see Atheism as the yin to the yang of organized religion.

Religion does not always equal spirituality, and I think that the stance of anti religion is based largely on that. Some believe that the person makes the god not the other way around.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:56 PM by Illusionsaregrander


I know more agnostics than atheists. And many who claim to be atheist when you start talking to them about the subject and avoid labels actually turn out to be agnostic as well.

The few true atheists I know are atheists because they can find no proof of God or the Divine. They are highly logical, and feel they can find a natural (scientific) explanation for the beauty in the world, and animal and human intelligence, and they simply have not come across a reason sufficient in their estimation to believe in a supernatural force.

The key word here is proof. I think if they were presented with evidence that could not be explained with nature or science alone, they may reconsider. (They are highly logical, first and foremost, and it is illogical to ignore solid evidence) Religion, however, is generally speaking based on faith and belief, no proof needed and none offered.

They are "show me" types of people, and they tend to be as critical of scientific claims as they are of religious ones. They do not just randomly believe the claims of scientists either without some hard data to back it up.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:05 PM by MatrixProphet




There is a school of thought that says that all religion tends toward fundamentalism,



Actually the term fundamentalism "Originally applied to the Movement of American Protestantism that arose in the early part of the 20th century in reaction to Modernism and that stresses the infallibility of the Bible not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record....any strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles." -Websters

My understanding is that it also can be applied to any religion that leaves or breaks away from its parent religion, which would apply to most.

So you would seem to be right!

As far as your thoughts; again we agree on much of it. I felt much more freedom when I left religion and then could get to know a God on different footing. When I left religion out of the picture I got an entirely different perspective. Religion IMO is binding!! We get back to the God Box - again!

I appreciate being able to talk on it, and thank you for your thoughts!



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:09 PM by MatrixProphet


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Religion does not always equal spirituality, and I think that the stance of anti religion is based largely on that.



Oh, ditto, ditto on that! It took me a long time to realize that. I am anti-religious because that was my experience.



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They are "show me" types of people, and they tend to be as critical of scientific claims as they are of religious ones. They do not just randomly believe the claims of scientists either without some hard data to back it up.



Thank you for that explanation. I agree. Do you find that some are just naturally fence straddlers? There are agnostics and then there are passive agnostics.

I know on ones that plain and simply don't want to rock the boat, which to me lacks conviction. Be an atheist, or one who questions, or take a stand for God. Just take a stand for something!!



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:25 PM by asilvahalo




Originally posted by goose
I'm always amazed at the people who will survive something awful and give their luck at surviving as a proof that God was looking after them. LOL If God who controls everything had something to do with the survival then he must have sent or allowed that horror to come down on their butt in the first place. LOL



It also seems to imply that God did not care about those who did perish.

It's similar to when professional athletes thank God when they hit homeruns or make a good play or win a championship. While I understand the impetus, what seems to come out is the implication that "God likes me better than you."



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:27 PM by tjack


Not sure where I fall along the continuum of religious to athiest, but "hopeful agnostic" seems to work for now.

I fell away from organized religion I think due to 2 primary reasons:

1. Church used to bore me to tears. My mom made us go, and as such, as soon as I was on my own and able to stop going, I bailed hard.

2. The utter hypocracy that exudes from what...90%? or so of the so-called "religious" people I know. If you go to church, and tell people that you're religious, and then at some point I catch you behaving in a very un-Christian like manner, that's it. You're on the list. (or off the list, depending on whether your selling or buying.)

See, it's not so much "The Higher Power" that I have a problem with, it's his typical followers.

They all talk the talk, but so few walk the walk.


"God, I hate religious people" -Deputy Jones, Reno 911



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:32 PM by LockwithnoKey


There also seems to exist a confusion of a creation "God" or intervening "God" vs. a force, an order, natural presence of flow, what have you.

As mentioned above, if one removes the labels and discusses the simple opinions and observations, many atheists are not that much different in core belief than religious followers or agnostics just use a different approach.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:56 PM by theendisnear69


I really have no idea what to call myself. My beliefs don't really stick into any category.

I grew up in church. I went to church every day because I also went to the school at the church. I was always thinking about everything I was told, literally while everyone else was reading their bibles like they were told, I was sitting there thinking about why they made us read the bible.

I was about 15 (I know alot of people think that's to young to make up your mind, but I did) when I realized something. I would sit there and watch all these people going to church, and serving their god, and that's when it hit me. I should not have to be exactly like them. We are all completely different human beings, and yet the church people would tell me that I have to look and act like something that i'm not. I realized that while I was questioning every single thing they told me or made me read, I was much happier than they were.

Questioning your faith is a huge no no in the church. Once you start to question these things that your taught, you become an outcast.

This experience made me realize that this god that they devoted their entire lives to could not possibly exist. I was differnt than they were, so why exactly should I base my life on a book or god, that says everyone has to act like this and do that?

That was the homerun for me. I was different. I was not going to lead my life without questioning everything.

I am not saying that there is no higher being or anything (there has to be something out there) but if this "god" wants me to bow down and follow him based on faith, than I can't do that.

Why you ask. Because my brain was not wired to believe in something I can't see. Why would this god make me with a brain that finds it extremely hard to believe in something I can't see?

If a god wants me to have faith, than he should have created me differently.



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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 03:10 PM by AshleyD




Originally posted by MatrixProphet
ATS has had a big influx of evangelical Christians, a large group of them within the last few months. This may be possible with atheists also, but I don’t know. Is it possible that the former are just louder and more tenacious?



If evangelical Christians seem more vocal on ATS compared to atheists it could be because our beliefs come under attack and scrutiny more than any other belief or religion. My observation, of course. Christianity at least comes under more criticism than atheism. Therefore, we speak up to clarify misconceptions, answer questions, and to refute propaganda. Atheism doesn't come under as much fire because it's kind of hard dissecting a belief in nothing.

As for the question in your title, it seems you answered similarly with how I was planning to answer so there is not much more I can say. I can't agree with everything you said but this is one rare occasion where we agree more than usual.

[stretch]

hey DannyB

your team sucks

[monosylab1k]

lawl

[BacktoBasics]

I'm bored

[monosylab1k]

tfan5MacmsI

[ChumpDumper]

The original poster makes a lot of good points.God damn, sunfans are the most buttthurt pussies ever to infect the internets. Go back to proofing personal ads for the Sonoran Shopper.

[Extra Stout]

This is all that is left for Sun fan to do. The Suns are over. Steve Nash is old. Mike D'Antoni is gone. The Spurs took everything Sun fan had. They broke his heart early, in the middle of the day, and again late. Every time the Suns thought they had made progress, there was a Spur standing in the way. The prequel to the Nash era consisted of a loss to the Spurs. The end of the first act of the Nash era was a loss to the Spurs. The climax of the Nash era was a loss to the Spurs. And, the years of contention in the Nash era ended with a loss to the Spurs.

Sun fan thought this year was going to be retribution for past "injustices;" instead, the Spurs compounded the insult by killing off the Suns once and for all. So, left with nothing else to cling to, having had everything else he rooted for taken away, stomped into the dirt, and reduced to rubble by the Spurs, this pathetic little specimen named DannyB can only flame a Spurs message board in the offseason.

[Saguaro]

This is all that is left for Sun fan to do. The Suns are over. Steve Nash is old. Mike D'Antoni is gone. The Spurs took everything Sun fan had. They broke his heart early, in the middle of the day, and again late. Every time the Suns thought they had made progress, there was a Spur standing in the way. The prequel to the Nash era consisted of a loss to the Spurs. The end of the first act of the Nash era was a loss to the Spurs. The climax of the Nash era was a loss to the Spurs. And, the years of contention in the Nash era ended with a loss to the Spurs.

Sun fan thought this year was going to be retribution for past "injustices;" instead, the Spurs compounded the insult by killing off the Suns once and for all. So, left with nothing else to cling to, having had everything else he rooted for taken away, stomped into the dirt, and reduced to rubble by the Spurs, this pathetic little specimen named DannyB can only flame a Spurs message board in the offseason.
At least I don't have to spend my summer in some filthy Mexican slum with a sewer running through the middle of it. I think I'll go up to the Grand Canyon this weekend. What will you do? Admire how flat and brown the ground is?

[Extra Stout]

At least I don't have to spend my summer in some filthy Mexican slum with a sewer running through the middle of it. I think I'll go up to the Grand Canyon this weekend. What will you do? Admire how flat and brown the ground is?
Oh... oh... it's city and ethnic smack! The Suns are better than the Spurs because of... nearby landforms!

The ownage we have over you people transcends space and time.

[Saguaro]

Oh... oh... it's city and ethnic smack! The Suns are better than the Spurs because of... nearby landforms!

The ownage we have over you people transcends space and time.
I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Also, twenty years from now, people will fondly remember both the great Laker dynasties of the '00s and the aesthetically pleasing Suns team that played in the interim. They will curse the horrific so-called "champion" that was a carbuncle on the ass of the league from the dirty border town.

[stretch]

I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Also, twenty years from now, people will fondly remember both the great Laker dynasties of the '00s and the aesthetically pleasing Suns team that played in the interim. They will curse the horrific so-called "champion" that was a carbuncle on the ass of the league from the dirty border town.

hi saguaro

[Extra Stout]

I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Also, twenty years from now, people will fondly remember both the great Laker dynasties of the '00s and the aesthetically pleasing Suns team that played in the interim. They will curse the horrific so-called "champion" that was a carbuncle on the ass of the league from the dirty border town.
:lmao Phoenix guy running Mexican racial smack? Seriously? What's next, are you going to rag on San Antonio for how hot the weather is?

You people are complete losers at life. Who ever would have thought that some other city would have an inferiority complex because of little old San Antonio de Bexar?

[cornbread]

Suns fans are in the house!

[monosylab1k]

EwTZ2xpQwpA

[peewee's lovechild]

At least I don't have to spend my summer in some filthy Mexican slum with a sewer running through the middle of it. I think I'll go up to the Grand Canyon this weekend. What will you do? Admire how flat and brown the ground is?


San Antonio isn't flat you stupid cunt.

[peewee's lovechild]

I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Just what has come out of Arizona that is of consequence?

The University of Phoenix??

Please.

You're state is a piece of shit.

[cherylsteele]

I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Also, twenty years from now, people will fondly remember both the great Laker dynasties of the '00s and the aesthetically pleasing Suns team that played in the interim. They will curse the horrific so-called "champion" that was a carbuncle on the ass of the league from the dirty border town.
According to the Gadsden Purchase of 1853, the southern part of Arizona was part of Mexico as well. We fought for our independence, from Mexico, which about 20 yrs before won their independence from Spain.

Hmmmm....San Antonio is a border town? Border of what, Comal county?
Geography lesson....San Antonio is about 150 miles from the Mexico border, about the same as Phoenix.

Nobody remembers an also ran, you look in the history books now, they don't remember the Nuggets, Spurs, Hawks of the 80's and 90's too much. Even though they were more fun to watch than any Suns' team of this decade. They are a footnote, just like the present Suns' teams.

Why is this thread not in the Spurs forum instead anyways?

[monosylab1k]

According to the Gadsden Purchase of 1853, the southern part of Arizona was part of Mexico as well. We fought for our independence, from Mexico, which about 20 yrs before won their independence from Spain.

lol we kicked Mexico's ass to join the US. Arizona was bought & paid for like a worn out hooker.

[DannyB]

Just what has come out of Arizona that is of consequence?

The University of Phoenix??

Please.

You're state is a piece of shit.

Hmmm ... here's a few things:

ASU
U of A
Gin Blossoms
Meat Puppets
Jimmy Eat World
John McCain
Barry Goldwater
Frank Lloyd Wright
Cesar Chavez
Ted Danson
David Spade
Steven Spielberg
Gary Shandling
Mike Budenholz
Sean Elliott
Pat Tillman
Alice Cooper
Dave Mustaine
Stevie Nicks
Wayne Newton
Linda Ronstadt
Tanya Tucker
Jordin Sparks
Zane Gray
Sandra Day O'Connor
Percival Lowell
William Rehnquist
Mike Bibby
Channing Frye
Darren Woodson
Richard Jefferson
Phil Mickelson
Jimmy Kimmel

[DannyB]

There's nothing wrong with the city of San Antonio. I've been there within the past 3 months even, and it's a pretty nice place. The people are pretty nice too. And Texas is a great state with lots of historical significance. Hell, I lived in Texas for 3 years while I was stationed at Ft. Bliss (El Paso) ... and let me tell you --that is a border town. Still, not too bad really.

Nope, no criticism or shit-talk about your city or your state. None at all.

My problem is entirely with the Spurs, and specifically the way that Popovich --who I believe is an evil genius-- has dragged the game down into the toilet and taken all of the art, beauty, or entertainment value out of basketball. It's not even about *my* team losing to the Spurs, it's about how the Popovich era has ruined the game.

[cherylsteele]

Nothing like back-pedaling.

[peewee's lovechild]

There's nothing wrong with the city of San Antonio. I've been there within the past 3 months even, and it's a pretty nice place. The people are pretty nice too. And Texas is a great state with lots of historical significance. Hell, I lived in Texas for 3 years while I was stationed at Ft. Bliss (El Paso) ... and let me tell you --that is a border town. Still, not too bad really.

Nope, no criticism or shit-talk about your city or your state. None at all.




Idiot, you talked shit about the city in several posts.

Oh, and thanks for the enlightenment on El Paso being a border town. Nobody in Texas knew that.

But, you're dumbass said that SA was a border town on a previous post.

You continue to show how much of a dumb ass you are.

Go ahead, keep posting.
It entertains us.

[peewee's lovechild]

Hmmm ... here's a few things:

ASU
U of A
Gin Blossoms
Meat Puppets
Jimmy Eat World
John McCain
Barry Goldwater
Frank Lloyd Wright
Cesar Chavez
Ted Danson
David Spade
Steven Spielberg
Gary Shandling
Mike Budenholz
Sean Elliott
Pat Tillman
Alice Cooper
Dave Mustaine
Stevie Nicks
Wayne Newton
Linda Ronstadt
Tanya Tucker
Jordin Sparks
Zane Gray
Sandra Day O'Connor
Percival Lowell
William Rehnquist
Mike Bibby
Channing Frye
Darren Woodson
Richard Jefferson
Phil Mickelson
Jimmy Kimmel



Just what has come out of Arizona that is of consequence?

[Extra Stout]

Hmmm ... here's a few things:

Gin Blossoms
Ted Danson
David Spade
Steven Spielberg
Gary Shandling
Linda Ronstadt
Jordin Sparks
Mike Bibby
Channing Frye
Richard Jefferson
Phil Mickelson
Jimmy Kimmel
:lmao

[stretch]

Hmmm ... here's a few things:

ASU
U of A
Gin Blossoms
Meat Puppets
Jimmy Eat World
John McCain
Barry Goldwater
Frank Lloyd Wright
Cesar Chavez
Ted Danson
David Spade
Steven Spielberg
Gary Shandling
Mike Budenholz
Sean Elliott
Pat Tillman
Alice Cooper
Dave Mustaine
Stevie Nicks
Wayne Newton
Linda Ronstadt
Tanya Tucker
Jordin Sparks
Zane Gray
Sandra Day O'Connor
Percival Lowell
William Rehnquist
Mike Bibby
Channing Frye
Darren Woodson
Richard Jefferson
Phil Mickelson
Jimmy Kimmel

Dennis Rodman says fuck you

[monosylab1k]

:lmao he listed Jimmy Eat Cock as something significant to come out of Arizona.

[DannyB]

Nothing like back-pedaling.

Where's the back-peddling asshole? I'm not the one saying nasty shit about the city of San Antonio. That's what you stupid fuckers fail to realize, it's all about that shit-bag team of yours, the Spurs. It's always been about your team.

You're an idiot if you think that's backpeddling.

[DannyB]

Idiot, you talked shit about the city in several posts.

Oh, and thanks for the enlightenment on El Paso being a border town. Nobody in Texas knew that.

But, you're dumbass said that SA was a border town on a previous post.

You continue to show how much of a dumb ass you are.

Go ahead, keep posting.
It entertains us.

I never said SA was a border town. You've got me confused with Saguaro I think.

You continue to show what a dumbass you are.

[peewee's lovechild]

You've got me confused with Saguaro I think.

Don't act like Saguaro isn't your troll.

Go fuck yourself and shove arizona up your ass, and after that you can let Wayne Newton fuck you up the ass since you love him so much.

[stretch]

hey DannyB

your

[stretch]

team

[stretch]

sucks

[cherylsteele]

Where's the back-peddling asshole? I'm not the one saying nasty shit about the city of San Antonio. That's what you stupid fuckers fail to realize, it's all about that shit-bag team of yours, the Spurs. It's always been about your team.

You're an idiot if you think that's backpeddling.
You posted this:
I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Also, twenty years from now, people will fondly remember both the great Laker dynasties of the '00s and the aesthetically pleasing Suns team that played in the interim. They will curse the horrific so-called "champion" that was a carbuncle on the ass of the league from the dirty border town.

And then posted this:
There's nothing wrong with the city of San Antonio. I've been there within the past 3 months even, and it's a pretty nice place. The people are pretty nice too. And Texas is a great state with lots of historical significance. Hell, I lived in Texas for 3 years while I was stationed at Ft. Bliss (El Paso) ... and let me tell you --that is a border town. Still, not too bad really.

Someone who swears proficiently in an argument, indicates the individual is losing such argument.
I never once said anything derogatory towards you yet you call me an asshole. To me and everyone else that tells me you have lost the argument, that you have nothing backup your claims, so you resort to childish name-calling that kids do in the sandbox at kindergarten.

[Saguaro]

Gotta hand it to that great San Antonio education system. You people can't even tell that DannyB and I are different people. Is the problem that English is your second language?

[Richard Cranium]

I'm hungry for some great mexican food from SA!

[DannyB]

Don't act like Saguaro isn't your troll.

Go fuck yourself and shove arizona up your ass, and after that you can let Wayne Newton fuck you up the ass since you love him so much.

You're a total infant, man. Saguaro isn't my troll. I myself am a fucking troll ... what sense would that make? Idiot.

And I never said I love Wayne Newton. Personally, I think he's a tool, kinda like you.

[stretch]

You're a total infant, man. Saguaro isn't my troll. I myself am a fucking troll ... what sense would that make? Idiot.

And I never said I love Wayne Newton. Personally, I think he's a tool, kinda like you.

a troll that makes trolls? what a stupidfuck, seriously

[DannyB]

You posted this:
I live in the United States of America, in Arizona. You live in the Mexican state of Texas. I live in the greatest country in the world. You live in a third-world craphole. That's just how it is.

Also, twenty years from now, people will fondly remember both the great Laker dynasties of the '00s and the aesthetically pleasing Suns team that played in the interim. They will curse the horrific so-called "champion" that was a carbuncle on the ass of the league from the dirty border town.


No, actually I didn't post that asshole. Are you retarded? You just took shit that someone else posted and attributed it to me. That's enough for me to call you names like "asshole" because that's the kind of thing only an asshole would do.

By the way, just because you have created --in your own head-- a bullshit rule that use of profanity means I'm losing an argument doesn't make it reality. Here's the reality: I'm just a foul-mouthed motherfucker. Period.

[DannyB]

a troll that makes trolls? what a stupidfuck, seriously

That's cool, man. I remember you very well stretch. You're one of the original assholes that I gave up trying to argue with, because you like to put words into my mouth. I swear to shit it's like arguing with a woman.

Why don't you go ahead and throw that bag of dicks on the grill and suck down a few, eh?

[stretch]

lol dannyb


Fuck you all. I didn't post that last one to try to win the argument. You dishonest fuckers already claimed your hollow bullshit victory ... kinda like the Spurs themselves claimed a hollow bullshit victory over the Suns last year. You people on this blog are totally irrational and insane. It will never matter how right I am, or how good my evidence is. All of you delusional homers will just ignore it so you can make fun of me, and take turns slapping each other on the back. Well, I'm going to do the only thing you fuckers can't cheat me out of ... so long and fuck you all. You won't have me around to jack each other off about. You all can suck a bag of dicks.

hey dannyb

your team sucks

[DannyB]

Exactly. Just keep posting the same shit over and over.

What a fucking infant you are.

[peewee's lovechild]

And I never said I love Wayne Newton. Personally, I think he's a tool, kinda like you.



But, but . . . you listed him as part of the greatness that has come out of Arizona.

:lol

[Saguaro]

Oye Spurs fans! Puedes comprender que digo?

[peewee's lovechild]

I'm on my Period.

[peewee's lovechild]

Oye Spurs fans! Puedes comprender que digo?

No solamente lo puedo entender, tambien puedo ver que tu madre es una puta que trabaja en las calles de noche.

[peewee's lovechild]

Why don't you go ahead and throw that bag of dicks on the grill and suck down a few, eh?


You seem quite passionate about your bag of dicks.

[Saguaro]

No solamente lo puedo entender, tambien puedo ver que tu madre es una puta que trabaja en las calles de noche.
See that's what I expect from Spurs fans. How many chickens do you have in your front yard?

[cherylsteele]

No, actually I didn't post that asshole. Are you retarded? You just took shit that someone else posted and attributed it to me. That's enough for me to call you names like "asshole" because that's the kind of thing only an asshole would do.

By the way, just because you have created --in your own head-- a bullshit rule that use of profanity means I'm losing an argument doesn't make it reality. Here's the reality: I'm just a foul-mouthed motherfucker. Period.
Everyone here knows it is the same person posting.

In my own head?? Cute. Actually I am in your head, along with the rest of the people in this forum.

[peewee's lovechild]

See that's what I expect from Spurs fans. How many chickens do you have in your front yard?

The same amount one can find inside your mother's cunt.

[Saguaro]

The same amount one can find inside your mother's cunt.
Oh, you lost all your sheekens? Oh crap, I guess you'll be another illegal crossing the border soon. Do you mow lawns?

[Extra Stout]

Oh, you lost all your sheekens? Oh crap, I guess you'll be another illegal crossing the border soon. Do you mow lawns?
I guess we've met the Grand Dragon of the Arizona chapter of the Klan.

[Extra Stout]

Hey, Saguaro, the WCF is over. You can change your team back to the Suns now.

[DannyB]

But, but . . . you listed him as part of the greatness that has come out of Arizona.

:lol

No, actually I didn't list Wayne Newton as "part of the greatness that has come from Arizona." What I actually did was put together a list of notable celebrities who came out of Arizona in response to the comment that Arizona is shit and "nothing of consequence" has come out of Arizona.

greatness ≠ consequential




I notice, also, how y'all ignored names like possible future President of the United States McCain, Steven Spielberg, former Spurs star Sean Elliott and current assistant Mike Budenholz, Supreme Court Justices O'Connor & Rehnquist, Astronomer Percival Lowell, social activisit Cesar Chavez, legendary (and extremely influential) architect Frank Lloyd Wright, et al. Seems to me that all of those people have been of great consequence in the history of our country. Please try to argue with me that I'm wrong.

[DannyB]

I guess we've met the Grand Dragon of the Arizona chapter of the Klan.

Right ... because anyone who doesn't welcome illegal (i.e. criminal) immigrants with open arms and a fucking handshake must hate all Mexicans and be a member of the KKK, huh?

[peewee's lovechild]

Oh, you lost all your sheekens?

So, you admit that there are several chickens in your mother's cunt?

[peewee's lovechild]

No, actually I didn't list Wayne Newton as "part of the greatness that has come from Arizona." What I actually did was put together a list of notable celebrities who came out of Arizona in response to the comment that Arizona is shit and "nothing of consequence" has come out of Arizona.

greatness ≠ consequential




I notice, also, how y'all ignored names like possible future President of the United States McCain, Steven Spielberg, former Spurs star Sean Elliott and current assistant Mike Budenholz, Supreme Court Justices O'Connor & Rehnquist, Astronomer Percival Lowell, social activisit Cesar Chavez, legendary (and extremely influential) architect Frank Lloyd Wright, et al. Seems to me that all of those people have been of great consequence in the history of our country. Please try to argue with me that I'm wrong.



Hey, douchebag, if I were to compile a list of consequential things and people to come from Texas, it would go on 50 pages, as compared to your pitiful list.

NASA alone trumps anything from your shithole state.

[stretch]

hey dannyb

your team sucks

[Extra Stout]

Right ... because anyone who doesn't welcome illegal (i.e. criminal) immigrants with open arms and a fucking handshake must hate all Mexicans and be a member of the KKK, huh?
So I guess comparing all Mexican-Americans in San Antonio to illegals is par for the course in Arizona?

Wait, I thought you and Saguaro were supposed to be different people? I thought you had your little halo on about how you just hated the *team.*

Go hang yourself, you bigoted jackass.

[monosylab1k]

Last edited by DannyB : Today at 11:50 AM. Reason: why is luck_the_fakers being inserted into my comment?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[stretch]

OMFG

:lmao

edit of the year

[DannyB]

Hey, douchebag, if I were to compile a list of consequential things and people to come from Texas, it would go on 50 pages, as compared to your pitiful list.

NASA alone trumps anything from your shithole state.

Guess what, dummy? I'm not even going to debate that with you. You're probably right. Texas is a bigger state with a longer history and a larger population. You probably could put together a much bigger list ... but so could could I for Arizona. That list took me all of 5 minutes to slap together, and I'm sure I can find a hell of a lot more.

But this NEVER WAS about trashing on Texas for me, and you damn well know it. I already said I've got no problem with Texas, Texans, or San Antonio ... or have you forgotten conveniently? This isn't a pissing contest between Arizona & Texas. Apparently for your infantile mind, in order for Texas to be great, Arizona has to be shit ... and vice versa ... because you're a moron.

[Mister Sinister]

Illinois>Arizona.

[monosylab1k]

Guess what, dummy? I'm not even going to debate that with you. You're probably right. Texas is a bigger state with a longer history and a larger population. You probably could put together a much bigger list ... but so could could I for Arizona. That list took me all of 5 minutes to slap together, and I'm sure I can find a hell of a lot more.

But this NEVER WAS about trashing on Texas for me, and you damn well know it. I already said I've got no problem with Texas, Texans, or San Antonio ... or have you forgotten conveniently? This isn't a pissing contest between Arizona & Texas. Apparently for your infantile mind, in order for Texas to be great, Arizona has to be shit ... and vice versa ... because you're a moron.

sorry but you lost.

[DannyB]

So I guess comparing all Mexican-Americans in San Antonio to illegals is par for the course in Arizona?

Wait, I thought you and Saguaro were supposed to be different people? I thought you had your little halo on about how you just hated the *team.*

Go hang yourself, you bigoted jackass.

Once again, you're puttting words into my mouth instead of taking what I said at face value. I was defending Saguaro against that bullshit race-card you just played. I happen to be half hispanic, so I don't really know how my opinion that illegal immigrants are illegal is supposed to be racist.

[stretch]

hi dannyb

your team sucks

[monosylab1k]

Once again, you're puttting words into my mouth instead of taking what I said at face value. I was defending Saguaro against that bullshit race-card you just played. I happen to be half hispanic, so I don't really know how my opinion that illegal immigrants are illegal is supposed to be racist.

You lost.

Racist.

[DannyB]

sorry but you lost.

Right, because you say so.

I remember how this works from before: you declare that "I lost" and try to get me all pissed off about it trying to debate with you.

Guess what fucko? This isn't even a debate or an argument in the first place ... it's just me trashing on the shitbag Spurs, and a bunch of butt-hurt Spurs fans getting their panties in a bunch about it.

So go fuck yourself.

[DannyB]

Nothing more to say huh? Just repeating the same shit? Good ... if this were actually a debate, I guess that would mean I won.

[stretch]

hi dannyb

your team sucks

[monosylab1k]

Nothing more to say huh? Just repeating the same shit? Good ... if this were actually a debate, I guess that would mean I won.

No, you already lost. Racist.

[Mister Sinister]

Nothing more to say huh? Just repeating the same shit? Good ... if this were actually a debate, I guess that would mean I won.
No, if this were an actual debate, you would have lost long before now due to your extensive and juvenile use of the ad hominem logical fallacy, which, translates roughly into netspeak as "NO U!"

[DannyB]

No, if this were an actual debate, you would have lost long before now due to your extensive and juvenile use of the ad hominem logical fallacy, which, translates roughly into netspeak as "NO U!"

I don't need a translation. Apparently some of your fellow Spurs fans do ...

But I guess it's ok when you assholes (oops, there I go again!) make irrelevant personal attacks, huh?

You're a fucking douche (shit! I can't help myself!).

[Mister Sinister]

I don't need a translation. Apparently some of your fellow Spurs fans do ...

But I guess it's ok when you assholes (oops, there I go again!) make irrelevant personal attacks, huh?

You're a fucking douche (shit! I can't help myself!).
Flame-baiter.

[Extra Stout]

Once again, you're puttting words into my mouth instead of taking what I said at face value. I was defending Saguaro against that bullshit race-card you just played. I happen to be half hispanic, so I don't really know how my opinion that illegal immigrants are illegal is supposed to be racist.
Yeah, when you under your "Saguaro" name called peewee an illegal and asked him about mowing lawns, that wasn't an ethnic slur. That was just principled ideology.

You lost.

[JMarkJohns]

Yep, the same. I changed my mind after the Spurs got booted. I couldn't resist rubbing it in.


You're the chicken shit of all chicken shit Suns fans. You keep away while the Spurs once again beat the Suns, then return to gloat over their recent misfortunes.

I know you don't care what I think or say, but You don't deserve the ability to post. You're nothing but a failed attempt at trolling, but instead of actually trolling, you parade around as if your opinion should be valued, as if you've ever added a damn thing to any thread within which you've posted.

You're trash whose mere presense belittles both the team you root for, and the rest of us who happen to share the same unfortunate allegiance.

[stretch]

lets all start a petition to have DannyB pinked

[DannyB]

Yeah, when you under your "Saguaro" name called peewee an illegal and asked him about mowing lawns, that wasn't an ethnic slur. That was just principled ideology.

You lost.

Oh go fuck yourself already. Just because you've decided Saguaro is my troll doesn't make it a fucking fact. Go ahead and believe whatever the hell you want to believe about it, but I'm not gonna sit here and argue about it with you. It's like arguing with a 4 year old.

[Mister Sinister]

Oh go fuck yourself already. Just because you've decided Saguaro is my troll doesn't make it a fucking fact. Go ahead and believe whatever the hell you want to believe about it, but I'm not gonna sit here and argue about it with you. It's like arguing with a 4 year old.
At least you can take solace in your ability to argue with those older than you.

[stretch]

hi dannyb

your team sucks

[DannyB]

lets all start a petition to have DannyB pinked

Go ahead and get me "pinked" (I assume that means booted) if you want. I really don't care. This isn't *my* preferred site for talking sports anyway. ESPN.com is way better and isn't a bunch of dumb homers.

You'll only prove that all of you Spurs fans are too "chickenshit" and intolerant to handle criticism and negative opinions about your beloved shitbag Spurs.

[Mister Sinister]

Go ahead and get me "pinked" (I assume that means booted) if you want. I really don't care. This isn't *my* preferred site for talking sports anyway. ESPN.com is way better and isn't a bunch of dumb homers.

You'll only prove that all of you Spurs fans are too "chickenshit" and intolerant to handle criticism and negative opinions about your beloved shitbag Spurs.

NO U.

[ChumpDumper]

You'll only prove that all of you Spurs fans are too "chickenshit" and intolerant to handle criticism and negative opinions about your beloved shitbag Spurs.We can handle it.

The only question is why are you so obsessed with this site and its posters who made you feel bad and completely lose your shit that one fateful day?

[DannyB]

You're the chicken shit of all chicken shit Suns fans. You keep away while the Spurs once again beat the Suns, then return to gloat over their recent misfortunes.

I know you don't care what I think or say, but You don't deserve the ability to post. You're nothing but a failed attempt at trolling, but instead of actually trolling, you parade around as if your opinion should be valued, as if you've ever added a damn thing to any thread within which you've posted.

You're trash whose mere presense belittles both the team you root for, and the rest of us who happen to share the same unfortunate allegiance.

Gee, I guess you really showed me, huh? Owwweeee my feelings are hurt.

You're right, I don't give a shit what you think of me, because: "Id rather be insulted by you than someone I respect."

[balli]

Go ahead and get me "pinked" (I assume that means booted) if you want. I really don't care. This isn't *my* preferred site for talking sports anyway. ESPN.com is way better and isn't a bunch of dumb homers.

You'll only prove that all of you Spurs fans are too "chickenshit" and intolerant to handle criticism and negative opinions about your beloved shitbag Spurs.


I think Stretch is a Mavs fan, IIRC. And to get pinked means your username shows up in pink so that everyone automatically knows you're a dumbass just by looking at your name. IMO, it's worse than a banning.

[ChumpDumper]

Owwweeee my feelings are hurt.That's why you left, and that's why you came back.

[Mister Sinister]

Gee, I guess you really showed me, huh? Owwweeee my feelings are hurt.

You're right, I don't give a shit what you think of me, because: "Id rather be insulted by you than someone I respect."
http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/internet_serious_business.jpg

[DannyB]

We can handle it.

The only question is why are you so obsessed with this site and its posters who made you feel bad and completely lose your shit that one fateful day?

You think it's a big mystery why I'm here? Seriously?

Well, if you weren't a fucking retard you would realize that I already explained exactly why I'm here talking shit about the Spurs. I hate the Spurs. Simple as that.

[DannyB]

Flame-baiter.

Faggot.

[stretch]

http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/internet_serious_business.jpg

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You think it's a big mystery why I'm here? Seriously?

Well, if you weren't a fucking retard you would realize that I already explained exactly why I'm here talking shit about the Spurs. I hate the Spurs. Simple as that.It's no mystery why you left and why you came back.

You are obsessed with us.

It's cute as long as you aren't hiding in the bushes outside our homes.

[Mister Sinister]

Faggot.
:dramaquee

[DannyB]

That's why you left, and that's why you came back.

Wrongo fucko. But I'm not gonna go blue in the face repeating myself over and over again ... unlike you.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrongo fucko. But I'm not gonna go blue in the face repeating myself over and over again ... unlike you.
Well of course your fragile ego won't let you admit it.

That's why you left after your meltdown last time.

We are really that important to you.

[Extra Stout]

Oh go fuck yourself already. Just because you've decided Saguaro is my troll doesn't make it a fucking fact. Go ahead and believe whatever the hell you want to believe about it, but I'm not gonna sit here and argue about it with you. It's like arguing with a 4 year old.
Even if he's not your troll, you chose to defend his ethnic slurs by going on some rant about illegal immigration, which means either you're a bigot or you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

By the way, if you seriously came back to "gloat" over the Spurs' losing in the Western Conference Finals, then you're going to need to claim a new favorite team, like your pal/alter ego Saguaro. The Spurs' "failure" happens to equal the furthest run in the playoffs the Suns have made in the last 15 years. Even in your trolling, you only underscore just how much the Spurs own the Suns.

Maybe if the Suns had something like hope, or a future, you'd have leverage based on expectation of future success, but the Suns' decline is faster and steeper than anything that might befall the Spurs. The Spurs still have a run or two in them before Tim Duncan retires. The Steve Nash era in Phoenix already has the window shut and locked. So, without any chance of your team accomplishing anything on the court, much less getting the upper hand on the Spurs, you have to live vicariously through Lakers fans and get your jollies trolling on a Spurs forum based upon the Lakers' actual accomplishments. Typical. Arizona always ends up living off the table scraps from California.

[stretch]

hi dannyb

your team sucks

[DannyB]

It's no mystery why you left and why you came back.

You are obsessed with us.

It's cute as long as you aren't hiding in the bushes outside our homes.

So, I'm obsessed with you guys? LOL!

That's why it's all of you guys obsessively dogpiling on me, on a thread named for me, created by you guys.

Brilliant.

[stretch]

actually you created this thread, stupidfuck

your team sucks

[ChumpDumper]

So, I'm obsessed with you guys? LOL!

That's why it's all of you guys obsessively dogpiling on me, on a thread named for me, created by you guys.

Brilliant.We've been here all along and we'll be here when you leave after your next meltdown.

You went out of your way to come back because you were owned many months ago and are still butthurt about it and think this is some kind of payback.

[DannyB]

Even if he's not your troll, you chose to defend his ethnic slurs by going on some rant about illegal immigration, which means either you're a bigot or you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

By the way, if you seriously came back to "gloat" over the Spurs' losing in the Western Conference Finals, then you're going to need to claim a new favorite team, like your pal/alter ego Saguaro. The Spurs' "failure" happens to equal the furthest run in the playoffs the Suns have made in the last 15 years. Even in your trolling, you only underscore just how much the Spurs own the Suns.

Maybe if the Suns had something like hope, or a future, you'd have leverage based on expectation of future success, but the Suns' decline is faster and steeper than anything that might befall the Spurs. The Spurs still have a run or two in them before Tim Duncan retires. The Steve Nash era in Phoenix already has the window shut and locked. So, without any chance of your team accomplishing anything on the court, much less getting the upper hand on the Spurs, you have to live vicariously through Lakers fans and get your jollies trolling on a Spurs forum based upon the Lakers' actual accomplishments. Typical. Arizona always ends up living off the table scraps from California.

Here's what I heard, for the 1000th time on SpursTalk: "blah blah blah ... the Suns suck ... blah blah blah"

I don't need any "leverage" to criticize the Spurs for being a bunch of shitbags. They are what they are ... and it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with the Suns or any other team.

[Mister Sinister]

http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/thread_direction.gif

[JMarkJohns]

The Facts...

DannyB

Original Join Date: 10-24-07, 2:40 p.m.
Storm Off Like A Whiney Bitch Date:11-20-07, 3:12 p.m.
Prove Himself To Be A Whiney Bitch Upon Return Date: 06-03-08, 8:25 a.m.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

hi dannyb

your team sucks

I agree with this statement.

[DannyB]

We've been here all along and we'll be here when you leave after your next meltdown.

You went out of your way to come back because you were owned many months ago and are still butthurt about it and think this is some kind of payback.

If you say so, fucko.

[DannyB]

I agree with this statement.

Big fucking surprise.

[stretch]

I agree with this statement.

i think that we need to find a new "KFC" type post to shoot at DannyB that we all use.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Big fucking surprise.

Really?
I thought it was no surprise how much the Suns suck.

[DannyB]

The Facts...

DannyB

Original Join Date: 10-24-07, 2:40 p.m.
Storm Off Like A Whiney Bitch Date:11-20-07, 3:12 p.m.
Prove Himself To Be A Whiney Bitch Upon Return Date: 06-03-08, 8:25 a.m.

Which proves what exactly? That you're a douche with over 4000 posts on here who has nothing better to do than track my SpursTalk info?

[Extra Stout]

Here's what I heard, for the 1000th time on SpursTalk: "blah blah blah ... the Suns suck ... blah blah blah"

I don't need any "leverage" to criticize the Spurs for being a bunch of shitbags. They are what they are ... and it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with the Suns or any other team.
You can pretend that it doesn't have anything to do with the Suns, but you're not fooling anybody. You hate them because they've owned the Suns like no team has owned another since MJ's Bulls toyed with the Cavs.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

i think that we need to find a new "KFC" type post to shoot at DannyB that we all use.

:lol another Patton Oswalt, or completely original?

[stretch]

:lol another Patton Oswalt, or completely original?

anything is fine with me.

[ChumpDumper]

If you say so, fucko.I do say so.

That was easy.

[DannyB]

i think that we need to find a new "KFC" type post to shoot at DannyB that we all use.

There's the proof of your obsession right there.

[stretch]

Which proves what exactly? That you're a douche with over 4000 posts on here who has nothing better to do than track my SpursTalk info?

then what are you doing on spurstalk? trolling? is that supposed to be fun? to sit around at a computer all day talking trash to spurs fans because you hate the spurs?

[stretch]

I do say so.

That was easy.

:lmao

[stretch]

There's the proof of your obsession right there.

so you dont have an obsession of talking trash to spurs fans because you hate the spurs?

[Mister Sinister]

DannyB's graduation photo:
http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/uni_of_peepee_touching.jpg

[DannyB]

You can pretend that it doesn't have anything to do with the Suns, but you're not fooling anybody. You hate them because they've owned the Suns like no team has owned another since MJ's Bulls toyed with the Cavs.

Spurs are shitbags. They are a blight on the entire league, a cancer on the game itself. You're welcome to keep believing whatever the fuck you want about my "secret" motives.

[DannyB]

DannyB's graduation photo:
http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/uni_of_peepee_touching.jpg


No no no ... that's not ad hominem is it?

Geeziss you're a hypocrite and a fool.

[Mister Sinister]

No no no ... that's not ad hominem is it?

Geeziss you're a hypocrite and a fool.
:lmao Who's a hypocrite?

[DannyB]

so you dont have an obsession of talking trash to spurs fans because you hate the spurs?

I'm enjoying myself right now, getting under your skin and all the dumb Spurs fans getting butt-hurt about the fact that I think the Spurs are shitbags. You can call it an obsession if it gets your rocks off, I guess. Nobody's stopping you.

[JMarkJohns]

Which proves what exactly? That you're a douche with over 4000 posts on here who has nothing better to do than track my SpursTalk info?

How very original, a sheltered, can't-take-shit Suns troll making fun of my length of tenure at an opposing fans site.

I was greeted with the very same "Hey fuckhole" reponses you get, but I didn't pull the bitch card, pack my shit up and leave after less than a month.

I may very well be a douche with over 4,000 posts on this site, but such does nothing to disprove or eve distract others from seeing that you're a whiney effin' quitter who'd rather bitch and moan than contribute, and who'd rather parade around thinking such is an accomplishment of some sort.

You're a loser who pretends his vendetta gives him significance.

It doesn't.

You're just a loser, plain and simple.

Signed,
Douche with 4,000+ posts on a site you couldn't hack for one month before storming off.

[DannyB]

then what are you doing on spurstalk? trolling? is that supposed to be fun? to sit around at a computer all day talking trash to spurs fans because you hate the spurs?

When it's slow at the office and I'm bored at work it passes the time. What's your excuse for practically living on this dumb site?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

DannyB = http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/peter.jpg

[DannyB]

How very original, a sheltered, can't-take-shit Suns troll making fun of my length of tenure at an opposing fans site.

I was greeted with the very same "Hey fuckhole" reponses you get, but I didn't pull the bitch card, pack my shit up and leave after less than a month.

I may very well be a douche with over 4,000 posts on this site, but such does nothing to disprove or eve distract others from seeing that you're a whiney effin' quitter who'd rather bitch and moan than contribute, and who'd rather parade around thinking such is an accomplishment of some sort.

You're a loser who pretends his vendetta gives him significance.

It doesn't.

You're just a loser, plain and simple.

Signed,
Douche with 4,000+ posts on a site you couldn't hack for one month before storming off.

Wow. Did they give you a badge or something for courageously hanging in there? Who the fuck cares if I left? Seriously? It doesn't mean shit. Why would I want to become a permanent member of the SpursTalk community anyway? I hate the Spurs, and I don't like their fans very much either.

I'm not obligated to sit there and endure a bunch of assholes arguing in circles with me. How boring and pointless would that have been. There's no honor in the fact that you "stuck it out" or something ... I couldn't care less if you and all of these fools think I'm a coward because I got tired of this site back in November. I know why I left, and that's good enough for me.

You need to find a new angle if you really want to get under my skin, because you're right that I don't care what you think of me ... all I care about is that you all know what I think of the Spurs and their fans.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We know but we don't care.

[Mister Sinister]

Wow. Did they give you a badge or something for courageously hanging in there? Who the fuck cares if I left? Seriously? It doesn't mean shit. Why would I want to become a permanent member of the SpursTalk community anyway? I hate the Spurs, and I don't like their fans very much either.

I'm not obligated to sit there and endure a bunch of assholes arguing in circles with me. How boring and pointless would that have been. There's no honor in the fact that you "stuck it out" or something ... I couldn't care less if you and all of these fools think I'm a coward because I got tired of this site back in November. I know why I left, and that's good enough for me.

You need to find a new angle if you really want to get under my skin, because you're right that I don't care what you think of me ... all I care about is that you all know what I think of the Spurs and their fans.
:lmao @ this idiot talking about "honor"

[monosylab1k]

Wow. Did they give you a badge or something for courageously hanging in there? Who the fuck cares if I left? Seriously? It doesn't mean shit. Why would I want to become a permanent member of the SpursTalk community anyway? I hate the Spurs, and I don't like their fans very much either.

I'm not obligated to sit there and endure a bunch of assholes arguing in circles with me. How boring and pointless would that have been. There's no honor in the fact that you "stuck it out" or something ... I couldn't care less if you and all of these fools think I'm a coward because I got tired of this site back in November. I know why I left, and that's good enough for me.

You need to find a new angle if you really want to get under my skin, because you're right that I don't care what you think of me ... all I care about is that you all know what I think of the Spurs and their fans.

You lost.

[peewee's lovechild]

This isn't a pissing contest between Arizona & Texas.

Because arizona would lose that one too.

arizona sucks.

It's the kind of state Texas would shit out if it could.