NBA is FIXED!

[Kindergarten Cop]

Great research. I do believe that the star was ejected in the first quarter, if that helps. I know Wallace was ejected in the first quarter, what about Miller and Iverson?

None of the players that year were ejected in the 1st quarter of their respected games. Iverson was ejected in the 4th (2:53 remaining), Miller was ejected in the 3rd (1:19 remaining), Wallace was ejected in the 3rd (6:43 remaining), Cassell and Davis were ejected in the 4th (6:00 remaining), and Rick Fox was ejected late in the 4th.

BTW, amid my research I found another player that was ejected in that year's Playoffs that wasn't listed in the box scores, but he definitely could not be considered a "star" - Matt Geiger was ejected in the 3rd quarter (1:19 left).

[NBA Junkie]

How so? Did you not see Shaq level Steve Smith with a minute left? I mean, he tackled him; it was an NFL hit. No call. It was even worse than the no call on Bryant elbowing Bibby in the face in game 6. Anyone who watched that game has to remember how quick the whistles were on Sabonis and Brian Grant in that fourth quarter.

Were the officials also responsible for the Blazers missing 13 consecutive shots that allowed the Lakers to comeback?

[LakerLanny]

The fix is in and Bob Delaney is dirty. He's a former undcover cop and a professional liar, the perfect guy for Stern to recruit to the NBA.


No, this is not me under a different user name.

You guys should listen to Gailileo, this guy gets it.

[Robinzine]

seems like the nba priority is really becoming capitalism and not entertainment.
Th NBA has ALWAYS been about capitalism. It's in business to make money, for crying out loud! That is how it works in this country. And if they are entertaining, they will make money. This is not a socialist entity filled with conspiracies. Step away from the degenerate gambler and move on with your frickin' lives.

[ChumpDumper]

No, this is not me under a different user name.

You guys should listen to Gailileo, this guy gets it.Ask him about 9/11.

[wildbill2u]

No other sport has had consistent and persistent questions about the honesty of its management and referees for the past fifty years.

No other sport has allowed referees/officials who were suspended for cause (such as the airline ticket scandal) to return to officiating.

Basketball is the easiest sport to 'fix'. It should be seen to be 'purer than Caesar's wife' instead of the common perception that something has been rotten in the NBA systematically for 50 years.

[Galileo]

Were the officials also responsible for the Blazers missing 13 consecutive shots that allowed the Lakers to comeback?

could be, if they were getting fouled and the fouls weren't being called. You may have a case if the Blazers missed 13 consecutive free throws.

[Galileo]

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But Donaghy doesn't stop there. He also claims that referees were instructed by league executives to protect star players from technical fouls and ejections in order to keep television ratings up, and that when a star player was ejected from a 2000 playoff game, an official was privately reprimanded by the league.


After perusing the internet and researching on my own, I found the players who were ejected from games during the 2000 NBA Playoffs and the referees that officiated each of those games.

Dale Davis (Ind) and Sam Cassell (Mil) were both ejected in Game 3 of Round 1 - Officials: Hugh Evans, Ken Mauer, and Mark Wunderlich

Allen Iverson (Phi) was ejected in Game 1 of Round 2 vs. Indiana - Officials: Ron Garretson, Terry Durham, and Ken Mauer

Reggie Miller (Ind) was ejected in Game 4 of Round 2 vs. Philadelphia - Officials: Bennett Salvatore, Don Vaden, and Ronnie Nunn

Rick Fox (LAL) was ejected in Game 4 of Round 2 vs. Phoenix - Officials: Joey Crawford, Mike Mathis, and Gary Forest

Rasheed Wallace (Por) was ejected in Game 1 of the WCF vs. the Lakers - Officials: Ron Garretson, Mike Mathis, and Bob Delaney


While all 6 of the players ejected played vital roles to their teams' success, only 2 of them were considered true "stars" - Iverson and Miller. I could see a case for Rasheed Wallace, but would anyone really be surpised that he would be ejected? Why would the league reprimand an official for ejecting a known hot-head?

I can't tell which player and official Donaghy is talking about from this data.

It important to remember that one objection to Donaghy is that he picked the most obvious games and claimed they were fixed. That theory is debunked right here.

Another thing to remember about Donaghy as that what he says is not a theory, he is an expert eyewitness to the events, so what Donaghy says is not a conspiracy theory.

We should also remember that these statemants by Donaghy were made a long time ago and were sealed, the statements we have seen are only court summaries. More specific detail will be found in the court records.

[Galileo]

OK, so you take out the three ping pong balls corresponding to the refs from the previous game.

Bottom line, there is no logical reason not to assign officials randomly to games if you aren't trying to manipulate the games.

Certainly the awful officiating we have seen throughout the playoffs could not be any worse with any of the other NBA refs calling the games.

Good points.

Other questions:

Why would Joey Crawford EVER be assigned to work a Spurs playoff game after what happened last year?

How was Tim Donaghy rated high enough to be reffing second round playoff games?

[Galileo]

How quick we forget in the NBA---History Lesson Part II.

Only a few of us oldtimers can remember that the NBA has had serious allegations about questionable practices since the 50s. (See History Lesson I on page 9)

Why is this true of this league, but not other national sports leagues?. You don't find people questioning whether the NFL or MLB is fixed on a regular basis for 50 years.

Here's more history: The rivalry between the old ABA and NBA was fierce. There was only so much money in the sports pot and the NBA, after decades of sucking hind tit to the NFL and MLB, didn't want to share with upstart new teams who they believed hadn't paid the price and whose game was 'inferior'.

So the ABA made the classic move. They began a bidding war for players with superstar attributes. They got players like Dr. J and Gervin and many others who took the staid pro game above the rim. When economics forced a merger, the NBA barons were livid that these upstarts with their red, white and blue ball, their 3pt. shot, and their street game were going to push their way to the big table.

At that time, there were rumors that the big NBA brass and the old line NBA refs who still were in the majority had vowed that no former ABA team was going to win the NBA title for many years. And it didn't happen until 1999 when the Spurs won it all.

Speculation? Sure. But let's look at some history. Shortly after the merger the Spurs had a great team. They went into the playoffs and ran out to a 3-1 lead in the Eastern Conference Finals over the Washington team that eventually won it all. In the 5th game, a very questionable foul called in the final seconds gave Washington the win. Coach Doug Moe was fined by the league for comments on the officiating and the SA fans collected money to pay his fine. Whatever happened to the theory that the refs don't want to decide the game in the final seconds?

This was one of the few rare instances in NBA history where a team down 3-1 came back to win the series. It was a miracle win for the old league's prestige.

More Spur playoff history. I don't remember the year or the round of the playoffs, but the Spurs were playing the Lakers in LA. At the half, the Spurs had 24 fouls called on them and the Lakers had ZERO. By the end of the game, the disparity had lessened--but you take a team out of its game with that many fouls in the first half.

Star players get hamstrung with fouls and can't play while the other team is shooting free-throws. It was a very suspicious game for the refs.

Thank you for the blast from the past. What you say is certainly something to chew on.

[Galileo]

How so?

Portland flat out choked with a 15 point lead with ten minutes left.

I put an asterick behind the 2000 Lakers. I remember that game and couldn't belive my eyes.

[Galileo]

How quick we forget in the NBA---History Lesson Part II.

Only a few of us oldtimers can remember that the NBA has had serious allegations about questionable practices since the 50s. (See History Lesson I on page 9)

Why is this true of this league, but not other national sports leagues?. You don't find people questioning whether the NFL or MLB is fixed on a regular basis for 50 years.

Here's more history: The rivalry between the old ABA and NBA was fierce. There was only so much money in the sports pot and the NBA, after decades of sucking hind tit to the NFL and MLB, didn't want to share with upstart new teams who they believed hadn't paid the price and whose game was 'inferior'.

So the ABA made the classic move. They began a bidding war for players with superstar attributes. They got players like Dr. J and Gervin and many others who took the staid pro game above the rim. When economics forced a merger, the NBA barons were livid that these upstarts with their red, white and blue ball, their 3pt. shot, and their street game were going to push their way to the big table.

At that time, there were rumors that the big NBA brass and the old line NBA refs who still were in the majority had vowed that no former ABA team was going to win the NBA title for many years. And it didn't happen until 1999 when the Spurs won it all.

Speculation? Sure. But let's look at some history. Shortly after the merger the Spurs had a great team. They went into the playoffs and ran out to a 3-1 lead in the Eastern Conference Finals over the Washington team that eventually won it all. In the 5th game, a very questionable foul called in the final seconds gave Washington the win. Coach Doug Moe was fined by the league for comments on the officiating and the SA fans collected money to pay his fine. Whatever happened to the theory that the refs don't want to decide the game in the final seconds?

This was one of the few rare instances in NBA history where a team down 3-1 came back to win the series. It was a miracle win for the old league's prestige.

More Spur playoff history. I don't remember the year or the round of the playoffs, but the Spurs were playing the Lakers in LA. At the half, the Spurs had 24 fouls called on them and the Lakers had ZERO. By the end of the game, the disparity had lessened--but you take a team out of its game with that many fouls in the first half.

Star players get hamstrung with fouls and can't play while the other team is shooting free-throws. It was a very suspicious game for the refs.

I remember the 1983 Western Conference Finals. At the time, I was rooting for the Spurs and was a big Artis Gilmore fan. Gilmore was better than Jabber at that time in my opinion, especially because Jabber was a horrible rebounder for a center. It seemed like the ball never bounced quite the right way for the Spurs to win that series.

[Galileo]

No, the NBA is not fixed.
It's broken.
Fix it by Oct.

That's a great one liner.

You outta forward that to David Stern!

[manufor3]

very interesting, i wonder what other series were manipulated like this.

rockets-mavs when the rockets were up 2-0. Cuban complained to Stern about it. ill get the video in a sec

[Galileo]

No, this is not me under a different user name.

You guys should listen to Gailileo, this guy gets it.

Thanks for the kudos.

I'm from Milwaukee, and my friend (who opposes 9/11 conspiracy theories, ChumpDumper) brings up the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals. I believe that Bucks starter Scott Williams was ejected, but then they upgraded it to a suspension (for game 7) and Philadelphia (Iverson) won a grueling series.

Philly won pivotal game 5 by one point.

Milwaukee is a classic small-market team. They never got over the hump since 1971, and have barely even gotten to the hump since then, despite being a quality franchise only one or two notches below the Spurs.

This series is another good area for research.

12 Tue, May 22, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 85 93 7 5 L 1
13 Thu, May 24, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers W 92 78 8 5 W 1
14 Sat, May 26, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers W 80 74 9 5 W 2
15 Mon, May 28, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers L 83 89 9 6 L 1
16 Wed, May 30, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 88 89 9 7 L 2
17 Fri, Jun 1, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers W 110 100 10 7 W 1
18 Sun, Jun 3, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 91 108 10 8 L 1

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2001_games.html

[Galileo]

Thanks for the kudos.

I'm from Milwaukee, and my friend (who opposes 9/11 conspiracy theories, ChumpDumper) brings up the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals. I believe that Bucks starter Scott Williams was ejected, but then they upgraded it to a suspension (for game 7) and Philadelphia (Iverson) won a grueling series.

Philly won pivotal game 5 by one point.

Milwaukee is a classic small-market team. They never got over the hump since 1971, and have barely even gotten to the hump since then, despite being a quality franchise only one or two notches below the Spurs.

This series is another good area for research.

12 Tue, May 22, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 85 93 7 5 L 1
13 Thu, May 24, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers W 92 78 8 5 W 1
14 Sat, May 26, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers W 80 74 9 5 W 2
15 Mon, May 28, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers L 83 89 9 6 L 1
16 Wed, May 30, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 88 89 9 7 L 2
17 Fri, Jun 1, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers W 110 100 10 7 W 1
18 Sun, Jun 3, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 91 108 10 8 L 1

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2001_games.html

Game 5, 2001 Eastern Conference Finals:

Score

Philly 89
Bucks 88

Fouls

Philly 18
Bucks 26

Free Throws

Philly 28
Bucks 16

Fouled Out

Philly none
Bucks Ervin Johnson (starter)

Foul Trouble (5 fouls)

Philly none
Bucks Sam Cassell (starter)

I wonder who the refs were?

[ChumpDumper]

Does anyone here think that the league fixed games in their team's favor?

[Galileo]

Does anyone here think that the league fixed games in their team's favor?

Does anybody here support over-hyped big market teams with over-rated over-hyped superstars?

Take a look at Stern's denials. He just uses political talking points, no specifics. Is Stern saying that everything Donaghy says is wrong or just some of what he says is wrong? We don't know. If everything Donaghy said was wrong, how could his gambling info be accurate?

Fact is, Bavetta and Delaney are worse than Donaghy. Bavetta and Delaney were fixing playoff games that changed the course of NBA history, not regular season games.

This whole sordid affair has only increased my affection for the Spurs, they had to beat not only their opponents, but also David Stern.

[ChumpDumper]

So in your case, the answer is a predictable no.

Anyone else?

[LakerLanny]

Thanks for the kudos.

I'm from Milwaukee, and my friend (who opposes 9/11 conspiracy theories, ChumpDumper) brings up the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals. I believe that Bucks starter Scott Williams was ejected, but then they upgraded it to a suspension (for game 7) and Philadelphia (Iverson) won a grueling series.

Philly won pivotal game 5 by one point.

Milwaukee is a classic small-market team. They never got over the hump since 1971, and have barely even gotten to the hump since then, despite being a quality franchise only one or two notches below the Spurs.

This series is another good area for research.

12 Tue, May 22, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 85 93 7 5 L 1
13 Thu, May 24, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers W 92 78 8 5 W 1
14 Sat, May 26, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers W 80 74 9 5 W 2
15 Mon, May 28, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers L 83 89 9 6 L 1
16 Wed, May 30, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 88 89 9 7 L 2
17 Fri, Jun 1, 2001 Philadelphia 76ers W 110 100 10 7 W 1
18 Sun, Jun 3, 2001 @ Philadelphia 76ers L 91 108 10 8 L 1

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2001_games.html


I remember watching that series and thinking that Milwaukee was getting the shaft from the officials over and over again.

Good reference point for sure, it was another classic NBA fix job.

[ChumpDumper]

So Lanny thinks the NBA is rigged against the Lakers and Galileo thinks the NBA is rigged against the Spurs.

The two of you need to compare notes on the Spurs/Lakers series of the past.

[Galileo]

NBA Turns a Blind Eye... Again
by Tim Donaghy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-donaghy/nba-turns-a-blind-eye-aga_b_482516.html

[Obstructed_View]

Dongahy's so courageous. He's like Jesus or Rosa Parks. He's not just a guy trying to hock his book.

[Galileo]

Dongahy's so courageous. He's like Jesus or Rosa Parks. He's not just a guy trying to hock his book.

And Stern isn't trying to hock the NBA.

[Obstructed_View]

And Stern isn't trying to hock the NBA.

Not sure why you'd spend any time on an NBA site if you actually believed it. But then again, you don't.

[Galileo]

Not sure why you'd spend any time on an NBA site if you actually believed it. But then again, you don't.

:lmao

[spursncowboys]

that game was clearly fixed('02 Sac). I couldn't believe my eyes.

+1
I don't think all the refs there fixed it. I think it was a case of fandom keeping the momentum going and groupspeak. Just a normal big market bias.