Camby Watch

[GSH]

I still say Camby would be great playing next to Duncan for the next two years. And more people are starting to talk like he might be in play. Is there any possibility that the money could be worked out?

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/06/15/posey_has_earned_his_keep/?page=4#

About to get the Denver boot?
Marcus Camby's days as a Nugget could be limited, according to an NBA source, because he is the most attractive player they would be open to moving. It's no secret Denver is looking to trim salary after a disappointing season. Teams have shown little interest in Kenyon Martin and Nene because of their injury concerns and contracts. While the Nuggets would trade Allen Iverson, he is expected to exercise an option that will pay him a hefty $20.8 million next season. And while there have been rumors about Carmelo Anthony being moved, he is one of the most talented players and would be tough to replace. Somebody has to go, though. Camby, the 2007 Defensive Player of the Year, will make $11.25 million next season and $10.9 million in 2009-10. The 34-year-old averaged 9.1 points, 13.1 rebounds, and 3.6 blocks last season. He could be a fit for a veteran team in need of a big man such as Detroit, San Antonio, Miami, or Dallas. "You hear trade rumors every summer around this time," said Camby. "You just got to take it with a grain of salt. Denver is where I want to be. But I definitely want to be where I'm wanted."

[exstatic]

Denver needs to shed salary, not just exchange it. They'll look for an appropriate partner, probably a team like not the Spurs.

[TJastal]

Camby would be a great addition that can help the Spurs right away defensively, but with his addition it would really make it crucial that they find an offensive minded wingman.

[Biggems]

I would love to have Camby in SA for the next two years....He and Duncan would be like a wall around our basket. It would also give Bowen and Manu more leeway on the perimeter to be aggressive. He would be an expensive option however......I doubt it will ever happen.

[dbestpro]

Trading players to shed salary is done with the notion that you are looking at expiring contracts and that whatever you take in return must show an annual match within 90% for at least one year. Camby is to receive 8 mil for next year so they will want to take an expiring contract(s) back of about 7.2 mil.

You could throw in Vaughn at 1.2 mil and do a 1 year deal sign and trade for Finley, or Thomas (most likely Thomas) at 6 mil.

[Biggems]

let's say we signed Thomas

Then we trade Thomas, Vaughn and our smaller trade exemption for Camby.

Where does that put our cap?

[Kindergarten Cop]

let's say we signed Thomas

Then we trade Thomas, Vaughn and our smaller trade exemption for Camby.

Where does that put our cap?

I'm pretty sure that if you sign a player as a FA, you can't immediately combine him in a trade with other players.

[exstatic]

Trading players to shed salary is done with the notion that you are looking at expiring contracts and that whatever you take in return must show an annual match within 90% for at least one year. Camby is to receive 8 mil for next year so they will want to take an expiring contract(s) back of about 7.2 mil.

You could throw in Vaughn at 1.2 mil and do a 1 year deal sign and trade for Finley, or Thomas (most likely Thomas) at 6 mil.

You don't understand how desperate Denver is. They are at the TAX with only 5 players. They need to shed THIS SUMMER, not take on a few ending contracts.

[dbestpro]

If you throw in the Beno trade exception of 1.7 mil the returning salary must be 6.3 mil. Vaughn is at 1.2 mil so you are looking at a one year deal sign and trade of 5.1 mil. You could actually do this with Horry and then Horry could get cut. This works for Denver because they would clear the books of Camby by the ned of the year.

[exstatic]

let's say we signed Thomas

Then we trade Thomas, Vaughn and our smaller trade exemption for Camby.

Where does that put our cap?
You cannot add the exception to a deal like it was a player. The exception must be traded straight up for one or more players. It can't be added to a deal to sweeten the pot or make the numbers match.

[Biggems]

You cannot add the exception to a deal like it was a player. The exception must be traded straight up for one or more players. It can't be added to a deal to sweeten the pot or make the numbers match.

ok thanks for the clarification. i am definitely not a cap guru. that is why some of my scenarios may come across as outlandish. i try to be as reasonable as possible, but i just dont take the time to understand all the financial ins and outs of the cap.

[Biggems]

i am not sure, but I think since Thomas would be our FA, we can do a sign and trade with him immediately. I think the rule you are talking about is in regards to signing players from other teams, or even players acquired via trade.

[Kindergarten Cop]

i am not sure, but I think since Thomas would be our FA, we can do a sign and trade with him immediately. I think the rule you are talking about is in regards to signing players from other teams, or even players acquired via trade.

You're probably right.

[Kindergarten Cop]

You cannot add the exception to a deal like it was a player. The exception must be traded straight up for one or more players. It can't be added to a deal to sweeten the pot or make the numbers match.

Again, forgive me if I'm making myself look foolish - but I thought that I read that you CAN sometimes add an exception to a deal with a player, but you are NOT allowed to combine numerous exemptions in a deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

Who exactly would the Spurs be sending back for Camby? Unless there is some mysterious non or partially guaranteed team option year on Horry's contract I don't see a way.

[Dunc n Dave]

We would send Vaughn along with Thomas in a sign & trade for him. Or like someone else said, S&T Horry, so they can cut him and get the relief immediately.

However, I see the Pistons being a big player in the Camby sweepstakes. Dumars might give up a guy like Maxiell and expiring contracts to give the Pistons a Ben Wallace replacement they've been lacking the last 2 years.

[kobyz]

wahat about to trade Splitter for Camby. it will give Nene room to develop, and in two years Splitter will come and they will have a Brazilian combo

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

wahat about to trade Splitter for Camby. it will give Nene room to develop, and in two years Splitter will come and they will have a Brazilian combo

Not possible.

[DPG21920]

If we are going to do a sign and trade for a team that needs cap relief, why not try and get Caron Butler from the Wizards? He would be a perfect Spur and solve our scoring needs and he plays D. He makes 8 million a year.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's more likely the Spurs can nab a higher 1st round pick offering lux tax relief now rather than land a talent like Butler.

[Biggems]

Butler is more of a SF, but I am sure he could play SG. He would definitely give us a seasoned, but young versatile option. He plays defense and can score inside and out. He wouldn't be a bad option.

too bad we cant afford Camby and Butler.....cause if we could, our lineup would be totally sweet.

C - Camby, Oberto
PF - Duncan, Mahimni
SF - Bowen, Udoka
SG - Butler, Manu
PG - Parker, Barry

[Marcus Bryant]

OK, how do the Spurs trade for Camby?

[MannyIsGod]

Not going to happen unless there is a 3rd team around and the Spurs simply dont' have the assests.

[wisnub]

BUtler or Camby...its a blessing if we can get either of em. But I doubt it will happen...we just never ever spend over luxury tax so the owner will make more money and the fans keep worrying coz other team seems to build up

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, the main problem is that they won't be able to trade for either of them.

[DMX7]

I'd take him but I think he is going to be too expensive.

[angelbelow]

hes forsure, too expensive. pass on him.

[Brox6]

Spurs need to get younger...:downspin:

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Trading players to shed salary is done with the notion that you are looking at expiring contracts and that whatever you take in return must show an annual match within 90% for at least one year. Camby is to receive 8 mil for next year so they will want to take an expiring contract(s) back of about 7.2 mil.

You could throw in Vaughn at 1.2 mil and do a 1 year deal sign and trade for Finley, or Thomas (most likely Thomas) at 6 mil.

Um, the article clearly says 11.25mil.

Not going to happen, although it would be nice.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Um, the article clearly says 11.25mil.

Not going to happen, although it would be nice.

Camby's contract will pay him $8M this upcoming year and $7.65M in '09-'10.


http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm

[mrspurs]

once again in a dreamers world...thou i think camby is overrated, he is exactly what the spurs need downlow...someone who just sits under the basket and swats balls away. imo that kind of help would have made timmys job so much easier, and of course it would make everyone else better as well...but i dont see holt spending that kind of money on someone who just sits under the basket and swats balls away...not at camby age anyways....oh well...just a dream....go spurs go

[SenorSpur]

Nice pipe dream. But when I wake up, I realize that this will NEVER happen.

[bobbybob0]

Um, the article clearly says 11.25mil.

Not going to happen, although it would be nice.

He's contract has a lot of incentive like playing 50 games or averaging 12 boards a game so the base salary is in range of 8 mil / year but the total salary if all incentives are reached is much bigger.

I don't know how it plays out with the cap or the trade restriction, if it's the base salary or the total salary that is evaluated.

[Marcus Bryant]

Even if it's $8 mil, what do the Spurs have to send out?

[smrattler]

Even if it's $8 mil, what do the Spurs have to send out?

I think what some here are suggesting is the Nuggz want to dump salary ASAP, so Spurs sign someone like Horry to some money and throw in someone like Vaughn, etc., then the Nuggets cut them. Or something like that. I guess something like the way the Mavs always use guys like KVH and Shawn Bradley, or whatever, to make trades "work".

I don't know exactly how this works with the cap, but I bet we would need to send money maybe to make it worth their wild?

Also, I imagine Camby would have to have some leverage to choose the team he'd want to go with. Otherwise, why would the Nuggets just say "hey, how can we help the Spurs get back on top".

[Biggems]

let me combine some things I have seen on this board over the last few weeks.

Like others, I love the idea of Camby coming to SA, wanted him 2 years ago. Also, like others, I doubt it will actually happen.

But, if by some fortunate event, we are able to secure his services over the next two seasons, that would be awesome. Also, another good thing about getting Camby, we would get to send Vaughn to Denver. Perhaps we could also include Bonner in the deal.

Also, if we were able to draft F/C Ajinca, SG Lee, and G/F Brumbaugh....I think it would make for a sweet draft.

We sign PG Jannero Pargo to backup TP

We use our trade exemption for McGuire

We re-sign Thomas to the vet minimum


C - Camby, Oberto, Ajinca
PF - Duncan, Mahimni, Thomas
SF - Bowen, Udoka, McGuire
SG - Manu, Lee, Brumbaugh
PG - Parker, Pargo, Barry


Boom, we just got younger, bigger, more athletic, and stronger on both ends of the court.

[Marcus Bryant]

let me combine some things I have seen on this board over the last few weeks.....

That would push the Spurs into Lux Tax territory for sure.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It's just easier to say we're not getting him.

[Biggems]

That would push the Spurs into Lux Tax territory for sure.

I am sure it would....but man would that be a fun lineup to watch on both ends of the court....

[Mr. Body]

let me combine some things I have seen on this board over the last few weeks.

Like others, I love the idea of Camby coming to SA, wanted him 2 years ago. Also, like others, I doubt it will actually happen.

But, if by some fortunate event, we are able to secure his services over the next two seasons, that would be awesome. Also, another good thing about getting Camby, we would get to send Vaughn to Denver. Perhaps we could also include Bonner in the deal.

Also, if we were able to draft F/C Ajinca, SG Lee, and G/F Brumbaugh....I think it would make for a sweet draft.

We sign PG Jannero Pargo to backup TP

We use our trade exemption for McGuire

We re-sign Thomas to the vet minimum


C - Camby, Oberto, Ajinca
PF - Duncan, Mahimni, Thomas
SF - Bowen, Udoka, McGuire
SG - Manu, Lee, Brumbaugh
PG - Parker, Pargo, Barry


Boom, we just got younger, bigger, more athletic, and stronger on both ends of the court.


I think we might get Brumbaugh. That's about it.

[Marcus Bryant]

I am sure it would....but man would that be a fun lineup to watch on both ends of the court....

How about this:

1 Paul
2 Bryant
3 James
4 Duncan
5 Howard

?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think we might get Brumbaugh. That's about it.

:lol

[Biggems]

nevermind on using Bonner, I didnt know he had 2 years left on his deal....and both years are around 3 million each.....Denver would probably take 3 million for 1 year, but definitely not for 2.

[Biggems]

How about this:

1 Paul
2 Bryant
3 James
4 Duncan
5 Howard

?

come on now, my scenario was far more realistic than yours....no need to be a butthead about it....i am just throwing things out there. At least I am not delusional enough to actually believe that all of it, or even most of it can come true.

[callo1]

Camby is overrated. Helpside defender is where he makes a living. Way too much cash for his contract. I'd rather get Paul Milsap if the Spurs could swing that deal, but I doubt Utah lets him slip away.

[LakerLanny]

Iverson at $20.8 million?

That is $253,658 per game if they play only 82 games (which I think they will next year, Portland is going to take their playoff spot)

Now that is not money well spent, my God!

[Spur-Addict]

Camby is overrated. Helpside defender is where he makes a living. Way too much cash for his contract. I'd rather get Paul Milsap if the Spurs could swing that deal, but I doubt Utah lets him slip away.

I don't think so. He can get you 20+ boards from time to time. He runs the break fantastic for a big. Plus, he's a good defender. Oh yeah, I forgot, although it's awkward, he has a very nice touch around fifteen. Sure his back to the basket game isn't great, but, he's everything we need at the C spot. Only issues with him are potential injuries, but his minutes would be managed properly with a diverse front court.

[GSH]

I've been looking at that $8 Mil figure. But the $11.25M figure in the article is correct. None of the rest matters, because there's just no way the Spurs can get there.

[angelbelow]

I don't think so. He can get you 20+ boards from time to time. He runs the break fantastic for a big. Plus, he's a good defender. Oh yeah, I forgot, although it's awkward, he has a very nice touch around fifteen. Sure his back to the basket game isn't great, but, he's everything we need at the C spot. Only issues with him are potential injuries, but his minutes would be managed properly with a diverse front court.

i think he means as a DPOY winner, his D is overrated. i think camby would definitely help but his cons out weigh the pros. for example, hes pretty old, have had many injures, HUGE contract, and questionable locker room guy.

[Spur-Addict]

i think he means as a DPOY winner, his D is overrated. i think camby would definitely help but his cons out weigh the pros. for example, hes pretty old, have had many injures, HUGE contract, and questionable locker room guy.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, in regards to his defense. I think he's perfect along side Timmy. He's older, but, if we're pairing someone with Tim he's very ideal.

Contract big? Yes. Injuries? Who hasn't had one ever. He's been pretty good lately in that department overall. He's been running pretty smooth in my opinion. Locker room? not here. Everything is solved by success for the most part. But, it's not like he's Ron Artest or something LOL. His "O" isn't that bad either. In fact, it's pretty good compared to other centers outside of the flat out stars. Why do you think some call him a pipe dream? He's solid.

In my opinion, Ajinca reminds me of a young Camby.

[angelbelow]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, in regards to his defense. I think he's perfect along side Timmy. He's older, but, if we're pairing someone with Tim he's very ideal.

Contract big? Yes. Injuries? Who hasn't had one ever. He's been pretty good lately in that department overall. He's been running pretty smooth in my opinion. Locker room? not here. Everything is solved by success for the most part. But, it's not like he's Ron Artest or something LOL. His "O" isn't that bad either. In fact, it's pretty good compared to other centers outside of the flat out stars. Why do you think some call him a pipe dream? He's solid.

In my opinion, Ajinca reminds me of a young Camby.

i think hes a pipe dream more because of his contract situation. its almost impossible for our FO to go after him.

i think as a DPOY his D is overrated, but i absolutely agree with you 300% that hes perfect next to duncan. his defensive stats might be even more inflated with him playing next to Duncan.

after some thought i would love him here, this offseason ive rated ever SG by finleys standards. if they are better than finley im a go, im adopting the same concept for the centers. camby would be a ridiculous upgrade over obie and kurt.

[anakha]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, in regards to his defense. I think he's perfect along side Timmy. He's older, but, if we're pairing someone with Tim he's very ideal.

Contract big? Yes. Injuries? Who hasn't had one ever. He's been pretty good lately in that department overall. He's been running pretty smooth in my opinion. Locker room? not here. Everything is solved by success for the most part. But, it's not like he's Ron Artest or something LOL. His "O" isn't that bad either. In fact, it's pretty good compared to other centers outside of the flat out stars. Why do you think some call him a pipe dream? He's solid.

In my opinion, Ajinca reminds me of a young Camby.

The main problem with going after Camby, IMO, is that his main skills as a defender seem redundant to the Spurs' needs.

In the team's current defensive scheme, Duncan plays the role of help defender against post players, as well as the 'funnel guy' the perimeter defenders on the team try to direct their men towards. Which is also the role Camby plays on the Nuggets.

I believe the Spurs would rather have a big who can be matched up directly against an opposing team's main post scorer, and have Duncan be ready to help as needed, than obtain another help defender and have Duncan be regularly matched up against the post scorers all game.

[Spur-Addict]

The main problem with going after Camby, IMO, is that his main skills as a defender seem redundant to the Spurs' needs.

In the team's current defensive scheme, Duncan plays the role of help defender against post players, as well as the 'funnel guy' the perimeter defenders on the team try to direct their men towards. Which is also the role Camby plays on the Nuggets.

I believe the Spurs would rather have a big who can be matched up directly against an opposing team's main post scorer, and have Duncan be ready to help as needed, than obtain another help defender and have Duncan be regularly matched up against the post scorers all game.

Point taken. Although, Camby isn't a terrible on ball defender. I think he is a "Good" on ball defender. His length alone is an issue for the opposition, and although he's lengthy, he isn't frail. In no way is he dennis Rodman, Ben wallace or any superb on ball defender. But, he's close enough for me along with his well rounded skill set.

Furthermore, along with his defense, he is a far superior offense player than any other Big we have (not named Duncan). I hope i'm not the only one who noticed the inability of our bigs to finish consistently, or rebound consistenly TO KEEP IT HONEST.

Also, Tim isn't going to be on the court all game long even if it's the playoffs. When he's out, the interior defense declines greatly. What about then? Also, would anyone on this forum honestly start any "Big" on the current roster over Marcus Camby aside from Tim Duncan?

[anakha]

Point taken. Although, Camby isn't a terrible on ball defender. I think he is a "Good" on ball defender. His length alone is an issue for the opposition, and although he's lengthy, he isn't frail. In no way is he dennis Rodman, Ben wallace or any superb on ball defender. But, he's close enough for me along with his well rounded skill set.

Furthermore, along with his defense, he is a far superior offense player than any other Big we have (not named Duncan). I hope i'm not the only one who noticed the inability of our bigs to finish consistently, or rebound consistenly TO KEEP IT HONEST.

Also, Tim isn't going to be on the court all game long even if it's the playoffs. When he's out, the interior defense declines greatly. What about then? Also, would anyone on this forum honestly start any "Big" on the current roster over Marcus Camby aside from Tim Duncan?

I understand what you're getting at, but given how much Camby makes, I don't think it's worth it to give up $10-11 million worth of assets to pick up a player with mainly redundant skills and make him play a role that doesn't fully maximize those skills.

[Spur-Addict]

I understand what you're getting at, but given how much Camby makes, I don't think it's worth it to give up $10-11 million worth of assets to pick up a player with mainly redundant skills and make him play a role that doesn't fully maximize those skills.

He makes 15.6 Mil between next year and the year after (8 Mil and 7.6 Mil). Once the free agent period comes up (This summer) I wouldn't mind going back over this hypothetical. Especially after the roster begins to shape up. With the draft over and some free agents signed, then it could be better debated. As of right now, no, it's not an intelligent move given we have more than one need.

[Mark in Austin]

Not going to happen unless there is a 3rd team around and the Spurs simply dont' have the assests.

or the creativity without Presti.

[alamo50]

We're trying to get younger, right?