Posting Associated Press (AP) Stories

[Kori Ellis]

As you may or may not have heard, the Associated Press (AP) is in a battle with bloggers/websites that re-post (or portions of) their articles. They are filing lawsuits and take down notices to websites who are doing it.

It's probably going to turn into a big mess and I think eventually AP will back down a bit. But it is what it is right now.

Therefore, you shouldn't post AP stories anymore. They are actually charging for copying as little as five words from their stories. http://license.icopyright.net/user/offer.act?gid=3&inprocess=t&sid=36&tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id%3DD90VCFA01&urs=WEBPAGE&urt=nullit

So, if you see an AP story and want to post it in the forum, just link to it.

Thanks,

Kori

[BacktoBasics]

Complete and utter bullshit. I love how each new day people find ways to turn off the very same people their trying to attract. Metallica Syndrome.

[Kori Ellis]

Complete and utter bullshit. I love how each new day people find ways to turn off the very same people their trying to attract. Metallica Syndrome.

I agree. It's a huge controversy. At first they said they are just going to start sueing/demanding people take stuff down. Now they put out this pay per word thing. Lame, but oh well.

[degenerate_gambler]

bunch of prima donnas..

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What a bunch of crap!

[GuerillaBlack]

Hahahaha. AP is stupid.

[Supergirl]

And if we quote PART of the article, but don't repost the whole article...is that OK? What if we include a link to the story?

[bonesinaz]

LOL, AP grabs news bits from everywhere and they then act like they own it.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

And if we quote PART of the article, but don't repost the whole article...is that OK? What if we include a link to the story?


I think the point is to encourage people to actually visit the sites that have the AP articles on them... still a bunch of crap

[Kori Ellis]

And if we quote PART of the article, but don't repost the whole article...is that OK? What if we include a link to the story?

You can't quote more than 4 words from the article unless you want to pay for it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You can't quote more than 4 words from the article unless you want to pay for it.

:lol That's the lamest thing ever.

[BacktoBasics]

It is a nice

ohhhhhh I've infringed.

[CubanMustGo]

Kori, you might want to sticky this (your post, not the replies) as it's dropping pretty fast.


You can't quote more than 4 words from the article unless you want to pay for it.

I believe that if they try to enforce this, Fair Use Doctrine would throw out such a ludicrous limitation. Someone will see the light (or some copyright lawyer will take them to court), but until then I'll comply.


The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”



§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.


(1) no profits on this board
(3) four words is a joke
(4) ain't costing AP anything

I know that on another sports board, for this exact reason, we have always been asked to use no more than a paragraph from written articles and linked people to the host site to get the rest of it.

[Kori Ellis]

(3) four words is a joke


I think that's what will be the determining factor. They filed take down notices to a website/blogger for using 23 words, I believe :lol

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Please folks, a reality check.

(a) Copyright is a law. If something is copyrighted, you should not copy it. Just because it's the Internet doesn't mean it's magically isolated from the law. You all seem to think that the AP are just being dicks and trampling on your rights and needs. It's actually the other way around. Quit your bitch ass whining.

(b) Copyright is a real issue that means dollars. Businesses make money from copyrighted works -- either by selling the work, or by selling advertising attached to the work. When you copy a copyrighted work and make it available to others without those monetizing flows back to the business, they lose that money! Yes they care about this.

(c) Fair use is a defense, not a right. It's what you say to the court when you are sued, or what you say to the ISP when they take your content down. Copying a whole article, or a part of it, and posting it for no other reason than to have others be able to read it, is not fair use.

[Kori Ellis]

Please folks, a reality check.

....

The thing in question with AP is if you can copyright the news. Many attorneys say you can't. AP is a wire service. They aren't writing opinion columns or giving analysis. They are just reporting news that they gather most of the time in the same room with dozens of other reporters gathering the same material.

[boutons_]

"copyright the news"

They are copyrighting their writing of the news, not the news.

And some AP stories have plenty of editorial content, not "just the facts".

"dozens of other reporters gathering the same material"

If any of those reporters are generous, donating stories that parallel AP's, then copy their versions of the news.

[SenorSpur]

As you may or may not have heard, the Associated Press (AP) is in a battle with bloggers/websites that re-post (or portions of) their articles. They are filing lawsuits and take down notices to websites who are doing it.

It's probably going to turn into a big mess and I think eventually AP will back down a bit. But it is what it is right now.

Therefore, you shouldn't post AP stories anymore. They are actually charging for copying as little as five words from their stories. http://license.icopyright.net/user/offer.act?gid=3&inprocess=t&sid=36&tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id%3DD90VCFA01&urs=WEBPAGE&urt=nullit

So, if you see an AP story and want to post it in the forum, just link to it.

Thanks,

Kori

Does this include references to Mock Drafts, stat information and such too?

[Cherry]

You can't quote more than 4 words from the article unless you want to pay for it.

Ridiculous :lol

[LakerLanny]

Don't worry about it, I will let all of you quote me instead for free.

[spurscenter]

Welcome to China

[ChumpDumper]

"Gregg Popovich has signed"

"San Antonio seemed to"

"playoff games have mysteriously"

"Kobe Bryant looked back"

I think we can live with the new restrictions.

[ChumpDumper]

Here's a quote from a great story about the Celtics record-setting closeout game:

"The Minnesota cereal maker" --AP

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe if we select words from different sentences we can get the true meaning of the AP stories.

"....true....Love....Reflecting....muscle...." -- AP (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-timberwolves-mchale-bigmen&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[T Park]

Please folks, a reality check.

(a) Copyright is a law. If something is copyrighted, you should not copy it. Just because it's the Internet doesn't mean it's magically isolated from the law. You all seem to think that the AP are just being dicks and trampling on your rights and needs. It's actually the other way around. Quit your bitch ass whining.

(b) Copyright is a real issue that means dollars. Businesses make money from copyrighted works -- either by selling the work, or by selling advertising attached to the work. When you copy a copyrighted work and make it available to others without those monetizing flows back to the business, they lose that money! Yes they care about this.

(c) Fair use is a defense, not a right. It's what you say to the court when you are sued, or what you say to the ISP when they take your content down. Copying a whole article, or a part of it, and posting it for no other reason than to have others be able to read it, is not fair use.

Thank you for the reality check :tu

Seriously.

[Spurs Brazil]

Hey Kori I have a doubt.

Can we post a stories from Yahoo, with the link from Yahoo but it's an AP Storie?

Like this one:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-spurs-lakers&prov=ap&type=lgns

Thanks

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Hey Kori I have a doubt.

Can we post a stories from Yahoo, with the link from Yahoo but it's an AP Storie?

Like this one:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-spurs-lakers&prov=ap&type=lgns

Thanks

It's still an AP story.

[spurster]

Please folks, a reality check.

(a) Copyright is a law. If something is copyrighted, you should not copy it. Just because it's the Internet doesn't mean it's magically isolated from the law. You all seem to think that the AP are just being dicks and trampling on your rights and needs. It's actually the other way around. Quit your bitch ass whining.

(b) Copyright is a real issue that means dollars. Businesses make money from copyrighted works -- either by selling the work, or by selling advertising attached to the work. When you copy a copyrighted work and make it available to others without those monetizing flows back to the business, they lose that money! Yes they care about this.

(c) Fair use is a defense, not a right. It's what you say to the court when you are sued, or what you say to the ISP when they take your content down. Copying a whole article, or a part of it, and posting it for no other reason than to have others be able to read it, is not fair use.

According to some old document no one pays attention to anymore, the primary intent of copyright is "to promote the progress of science and useful arts", not so someone can make money.

Anyway, in most cases, there is only a short quotation with a link to the full article. It is suspiciously similar to how students are taught to write essays, i.e, use and cite sources. I guess according to AP, schools are teaching students to be copyright scofflaws because they probably quote more than 4 words at a time.

[The Franchise]

As you may or may not have heard, the Associated Press (AP) is in a battle with bloggers/websites that re-post (or portions of) their articles. They are filing lawsuits and take down notices to websites who are doing it.

It's probably going to turn into a big mess and I think eventually AP will back down a bit. But it is what it is right now.

Therefore, you shouldn't post AP stories anymore. They are actually charging for copying as little as five words from their stories. http://license.icopyright.net/user/offer.act?gid=3&inprocess=t&sid=36&tag=3.5721%3Ficx_id%3DD90VCFA01&urs=WEBPAGE&urt=nullit

So, if you see an AP story and want to post it in the forum, just link to it.

Thanks,

KoriThose greedy little assholes.:ihit

[Extra Stout]

Here's what will happen:

1) The AP will lose almost every court case regarding this issue.

2) People will simply post information from different sources

3) The AP will start to decline in influence

4) They will lose more money

5) At some point they will freak out, lift the quoting restrictions, and pretend like it never happened.

Moves like this are done by incompetent leadership who don't understand how to monetize the information they distribute on the internet. Something similar happened at the New York Times.

[Brutalis]

Today in Baghdad,

-AP

Sue me!