Kobe or Dirk?

[J.T.]

Which MVP let his team down more?

[J.T.]

For the record, this can be 2006 Dirk or MVP Dirk, both were pretty bad.

[ludda]

Kobe against Celtics= 2006 Dirk against Mia in finals (comparable stats) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2007 Dirk against GS.

[Ghazi]

I dont hold the 2006 Finals much against Dirk because the bottom line is he made clutch plays in game 5, had a monster game 6... but the whistles just did not allow it to happen... even if his shooting % was off.

But obviously a first round exit is worse than Finals runner up, so the 2008 MVP let his team down less than the 2007 MVP.

I just think it shows a double standard in the media though. I was hearing on NBA TV about how it was Kobe's "teammates" fault. And I'll buy that to some extent, but you never hear that kind of shit for Dirk.

[greensborohill]

18 25 and 21

that's all you need to know about 3 games decided by a total of 5 points.

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oops, accidentally voted Dirk, but meant to vote the bottom one.

neither one really let their teams down. their teams let Dirk and Kobe down. its hard to hit shots when you are constantly double and triple teamed because your teammates either dont hit shots, or can be counted on to make fucking dumbass plays/turnovers. not to mention piss poor coaching.

[endrity]

The double standard is still on full display.

All I keep reading about is how Odom and Gasol are weak, yet I never heard anything similiar for Dirk's teammates.

Here's what I think we learned from the 08 season:
That even the least clutch, fakest, superstar of this generation (KG) can win a ring if you put a damn good cast around him. Not even PP or Allen were known to be winners, but look what happened when they brought them all together.

The point is, that if you are as good a player as Dirk and Kobe (I would add TMac to the list as well) are, then the onus is really on menagement to get you a good cast, and a good coach to lead you. I have no doubt that both Dirk and Kobe can lead a team to a ring, if they have enough to work with. They both have come pretty damn close.

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The double standard is still on full display.

All I keep reading about is how Odom and Gasol are weak, yet I never heard anything similiar for Dirk's teammates.

Here's what I think we learned from the 08 season:
That even the least clutch, fakest, superstar of this generation (KG) can win a ring if you put a damn good cast around him. Not even PP or Allen were known to be winners, but look what happened when they brought them all together.

The point is, that if you are as good a player as Dirk and Kobe (I would add TMac to the list as well) are, then the onus is really on menagement to get you a good cast, and a good coach to lead you. I have no doubt that both Dirk and Kobe can lead a team to a ring, if they have enough to work with. They both have come pretty damn close.

i couldnt agree more.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Other: David Robinson

[Spuradicator]

Gotta be Kobe, since he's the next Jordan.........:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

whatever dirk tried to do in that series, stern and the refs would just blow more whistles for wade to get to the ft line.

[Findog]

Neither "let his team down." Overall, Dirk played well against Miami, he had a terrible G4, but the Mavs were blown out in the game, so he wasn't alone in sucking. Wade had a bad Game 2 and the Heat were blown out. Dirk did his job against Miami.

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^Dirk did more than his job, games 5 and 6 from him would have been enough to seal the trophy and catapult him into legend territory, but we all know what happened.

[MavDynasty]

^Dirk did more than his job, games 5 and 6 from him would have been enough to seal the trophy and catapult him into legend territory, but we all know what happened.

Games 2,5,6 had the worst calls i've ever seen.And fuck Bennet Salvatore.

[greensborohill]

18, 25, 21

2, 1, 3

[dbreiden83080]

You have to go with Kobe, because he is the better player, with more expected from him.

[TheMACHINE]

Dirk had homecourt advantage and a 2-0 lead in the finals.

[Findog]

Dirk had homecourt advantage and a 2-0 lead in the finals.

The Mavericks had homecourt advantage and a 2-0 lead in the Finals.

[TheMACHINE]

The Mavericks had homecourt advantage and a 2-0 lead in the Finals.

ok.

[endrity]

Dirk had homecourt advantage and a 2-0 lead in the finals.

And Kobe had a 24pts lead in the 4th game! Your point is....?

[Spur-Addict]

The type of credit of being, "The Best Player in the game", along with a very talented cast points to Kobe. Were the Mavs up 2-0? Sure, but all they did was protect home court.

[GuerillaBlack]

Which MVP let his team down more?

Damn it, I should have read your post first. I voted Kobe, but it should have been Dirk.

[TheMACHINE]

Damn it, I should have read your post first. I voted Kobe, but it should have been Dirk.

LOL..same here.

[Red Hawk #21]

Kobe or Dirk didn't fail their teams, both were in similar situations because the defense was designed to stop them. In Kobe's case the Celtics were just the better team but there was no reason for them to get owned like that in game 6, as for Dirk it didn't matter how many clutch shots he hit Wade was always given the opportunity to go to the FT line to answer. Kobe and Dirk both have to bounce back in 08-09

[1Parker1]

2006 Dirk isn't who let his team now. I'd say the 2007 Dirk would be more comparable.

Either way, I don't think you can fully place the blame on the 2006 Dirk or the 2008 Kobe for which player let his team down. I think Dirk let his team down in 2006, by not being a better leader and settling for jumpshots. I blame Kobe for allowing the Celtics to come back from 24 down in Game 4 on his homecourt and settling for jumpshots. But I think in both cases, it was a matter of no one else on the team really showing up for the series.

[jack sommerset]

I wouldn't stick my KAWK and blow my load on,in or near a man

[IronMexican]

The whole Lakers team sucked, as did the whole Mavs 2007 team. you can't put the blame on one guy for a series.

[Sportstudi]

The whole Lakers team sucked, as did the whole Mavs 2007 team. you can't put the blame on one guy for a series.

I agree.

Talking about Kobe and Dirk in particular, it really sucks how European players are treated differently by the the NBA and the media. Dirk will never get the same credits like KB, LBJ, Duncan, Garnett or anyone else of the star-players, although he can play on the same level. this really sucks...
just read:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26258-Kobe-s-Play-the-Product-of-Biased-NBA-officiating
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/06/18/european-players/

[koriwhat]

it's CUM not COME... and doing so is always great on a woman's face so they can't talk shit about you later. do it and you will for sure feel great satisfaction. stick out your chin bitch or you get it in the eye!

[koriwhat]

I agree.

Talking about Kobe and Dirk in particular, it really sucks how European players are treated differently by the the NBA and the media. Dirk will never get the same credits like KB, LBJ, Duncan, Garnett or anyone else of the star-players, although he can play on the same level. this really sucks...
just read:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26258-Kobe-s-Play-the-Product-of-Biased-NBA-officiating
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/06/18/european-players/

out of all mentioned there are only 2 that aren't winners.... and only 1 that will most likely never be a winner; dirk. so no he's not on the same level as those mentioned and never will be! dirk sucks!

[angelbelow]

kobe definitely did. his team was far more talented than dirks.

[Ghazi]

out of all mentioned there are only 2 that aren't winners.... and only 1 that will most likely never be a winner; dirk. so no he's not on the same level as those mentioned and never will be! dirk sucks!


Dirk is a winner, always has been and always will be.

[lefty]

Waht's the difference?

They can't lead their respective teams to a championship.


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out of all mentioned there are only 2 that aren't winners.... and only 1 that will most likely never be a winner; dirk. so no he's not on the same level as those mentioned and never will be! dirk sucks!

dumbass