Spurs trade Goran Dragic to Suns!

[Gino]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/26635

Shocking.

[Gino]

Doesn't say what the Spurs got.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Nice find.

I wonder what we traded for.

[Mr. Peabody]

I wonder what we got...

[montgod]

Wow... I am hoping a delayed annoucement for the first rounder comes as well...

[loveforthegame]

It's probably a future 2nd round pick and nothing more. No need to get excited.

[Marcus Bryant]

Robin Lopez?

Nah.

[SenorSpur]

What the hell did the Spurs get in return?

[montgod]

I wonder what we got...

My guess is next years second rounder from Phoenix and some cash.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's probably a future 2nd round pick and nothing more. No need to get excited.

Probably.

[angelbelow]

not for amare?

[SenorSpur]

Now that Spurs are getting fucked 2-3 years down the road too.

[timvp]

And this trade keeps getting worse and worse. Trade a player who can guard Tony Parker to the Suns.

Genius.

[coopdogg3]

not for amare?

I'd rather have a 2nd rounder.

We could have 3 2nd round picks next year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Now that Spurs are getting fucked 2-3 years down the road too.

I thought the Spurs were already "fucked" 2 to 3 years from now?

[BOHOLANO#21]

i guess we are giving the SUNS another leandro barbosa.:lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Too bad Goran :(.

[Oink Oink]

Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Dragic is a point guard from Slovenia.

[coopdogg3]

First you're griping that Tau will keep the player, now's a Tony-stopper.

He's a 2nd round pick. Odds are he never sees playing time, much less becomes a viable NBA player.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Dragic is a point guard from Slovenia.

Hmmm...I think DraftExpress had Hairston as a Spurs' pick.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Dragic is a point guard from Slovenia.

:clap Damn nice.

[timvp]

Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Dragic is a point guard from Slovenia.Hairston is a Spur?

Hey not bad :king

[T Park]

Big fucking deal.

Dragic was never coming.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Well at least the Suns won't have him for 2-3 years.

[ShoogarBear]

Sweet. Got some cash.

[Mr. Peabody]

So three years from now if this guy is good, people on the board will remind us that we didn't trade him away because we were drafting for the Suns....

[Marcus Bryant]

By the time Dragic ends up in Phoenix Shaq and Nash will be 40 years old.

[whitebust]

thank god the spurs didnt need Dragic

[tlongII]

Too funny. I think Dragic would have been more help than Hill.

[ShoogarBear]

There goes the ploto support, though. :depressed

[T Park]

:lol

Nice job Spurs.

Kerr knows nothing of Tau Ceramica.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Too funny. I think Dragic would have been more help than Hill.

Too bad Dragic isn't even coming over.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

First you're griping that Tau will keep the player, now's a Tony-stopper.

He's a 2nd round pick. Odds are he never sees playing time, much less becomes a viable NBA player.

Spurs learned their lesson, and gave the Suns TAU bullshit to deal with...guess it ain't all that bad. Kerr's a douchebag.

[objective]

it all comes down to the cash

[Ocotillo]

Malik? good karma

[rondoistimmyspenis]

Yeah, we wouldnt have seen that idiot anyway. And we traded for another guy that can touch rim! OMG!!! Seriously though, Hairston is a guy who played in a very tough basketball conference against top competition for a couple years, made the NCAA tourney the last two years so I would much rather have him

[Gino]

So the Spurs just traded one second round pick for two second round picks and cash?

The Suns front office blows!

[bigdog]

well, at least we got Hairston.

that means we can at least have some type of hope after we got Hill, Hairston, and Gist. none of them are foreigners that we have to worry about lol

[loveforthegame]

Nice deal for the Spurs. Maybe this draft wasn't such a clusterfuck afterall.

[Marcus Bryant]

Too bad Dragic isn't even coming over.

Perhaps in 2014.

[Spurtacus]

Woohoo! Good job Spurs FO. Way to make the Suns look like bitches again. I'm feeling a little better now...

[timvp]

Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Dragic is a point guard from Slovenia.Great trade! For real.

Get a second round pick for going down three slots in the second round? ROFL. Thanks Kerr :tu

[Russ]

Dragic -- the one thing I liked about this draft.

I remember feeling great for about 5 seconds when the Spurs drafted Barbosa -- then the same thing happened. :bang

[Marcus Bryant]

Great trade! For real.

Get a second round pick for going down three slots in the second round? ROFL. Thanks Kerr :tu

And cash. From the franchise that sells picks for cash.

[Sense]

cAm6XWEyH4I

well atleast he can dunk...
lol look at who hes dunking on , on this video

[SenorSpur]

Spurs are always seem to prefer "cash considerations" over actually getting player value in return. They seem value CASH way more than player improvement.

[coopdogg3]

Yeah Hairston makes a lot more sense. Again, Summer League should be fun, and Chump should have a lot of scouting to do for us in Austin. That's always fun. Oddly enough, I do feel better about this draft now, at least it makes more sense to me.

[timvp]

Hairston was a high school stud who was underwhelming in college. But he's a swingman with legit size who has a chance to re-find himself. I liked Dragic but he's at least two years away.

And then get cash and another second round pick?

Got damn nice trade. Props.

[rondoistimmyspenis]

what irony, that youtube hairston dunk is on ryan anderson. thank god we didn't draft anderson...

[Russ]

Great trade! For real.

Get a second round pick for going down three slots in the second round? ROFL. Thanks Kerr :tu

Are you sure you're reading that correctly? I think the Spurs just get Hairston and cash (not an extra pick).

[angelbelow]

cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marcus Bryant]

Are you sure you're reading that correctly? I think the Spurs just get Hairston and cash (not an extra pick).


Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations

[timvp]

Are you sure you're reading that correctly? I think the Spurs just get Hairston and cash (not an extra pick).


Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.

[Brutalis]

This isn't official yet so let's not pull it out yet.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Are you sure you're reading that correctly? I think the Spurs just get Hairston and cash (not an extra pick).

Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs

[Mr. Peabody]

Are you sure you're reading that correctly? I think the Spurs just get Hairston and cash (not an extra pick).

The post said we got a 2009 second round selection.

[bigdog]

i still don't think the draft was anywhere near as good as it could have bee for us, but at least it just got a little better.

[T Park]

Anyone wanna rip the FO now? :)

[Das Texan]

Sports 620 KTAR's John Gambadoro reports the Phoenix Suns have traded No. 48 Malik Hairston, their 2009 second round draft choice and cash considerations to the San Antonio Spurs for the Spurs second round pick, Goran Dragic, the 45th selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Dragic is a point guard from Slovenia.



guess the night isnt a total loss then.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Hairston was a high school stud who was underwhelming in college. But he's a swingman with legit size who has a chance to re-find himself. I liked Dragic but he's at least two years away.

And then get cash and another second round pick?

Got damn nice trade. Props.



The day timvp thinks 6'5" is legit size for a swingman is the day CBF is too out of touch with spurstalk.com reality to even bother trying anymore.

[braeden0613]

None of those trades tonight are official...but they will all happen. I'm pretty happy with this trade. Dragic would have never come over anyway

[T Park]

Hairston was a high school stud who was underwhelming in college. But he's a swingman with legit size who has a chance to re-find himself. I liked Dragic but he's at least two years away.

And then get cash and another second round pick?

Got damn nice trade. Props.


TRADE THE PARKER STOPPER TO THE SUNS?

WTF!?!?

:lol

JK bro

[Marcus Bryant]

So the Spurs have like 4 selections in the 2nd round of the 09 draft.

[montgod]

Nice deal for the Spurs. Maybe this draft wasn't such a clusterfuck afterall.

Not so fast... read his bio (I won't fault you if you stop at the nba comparison):

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/malikhairston.html

NBA Comparison: Ron Mercer (less athletic)
Strengths: Strong and athletic wing with ideal size to play the 2-guard position on the next level ... A talent, was a top 10 recruit coming out of high school in an extremely deep class ... His outside shooting has shown solid improvement (though he attempted less from beyond the arc) ... Very good rebounder. (6.0 rpg as a junior) ... Very strong physically, he is tough to contain when he crashes the glass ... He's nearly a year young for his grade, giving his potential some added intrigue ...

Weaknesses: Has failed to live up to expectations three years into his college career ... Doesn't show a great deal of emotion. Appears to play lackadaisical causing critics to question his passion for the game ... Played better as a sophomore than a junior as his scoring average dipped from 15.0 to 11.3 ppg ... He's physically superior to nearly every opponent he faces, yet he seems to have trouble capitalizing on it ... Decision making and skills have not developed as expected ... His ball handling and passing skills are just average ... Must develop his mid-range game ... Defensively he loses focus and lacks intensity ... Work ethic and conditioning are not where they need to be ... Needs to improve from the line where he shot just 61% as a senior ... Missed a number of games in his junior year due to injury, he'll need to show that injury problems aren't a recurring problem for him ...

[Russ]

Well, I hope the Spurs are Happy with Hairston, then. :)

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

i still don't think the draft was anywhere near as good as it could have bee for us, but at least it just got a little better.

Well Pop said not to get our hopes up for any Impact players...

but I feel good about Hairston, if he succeeds in earning some minutes in the rotation, he can give other defenses fits with his strength.

[braeden0613]

Not so fast... read his bio (I won't fault you if you stop at the nba comparison):

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/malikhairston.html

NBA Comparison: Ron Mercer (less athletic)
Strengths: Strong and athletic wing with ideal size to play the 2-guard position on the next level ... A talent, was a top 10 recruit coming out of high school in an extremely deep class ... His outside shooting has shown solid improvement (though he attempted less from beyond the arc) ... Very good rebounder. (6.0 rpg as a junior) ... Very strong physically, he is tough to contain when he crashes the glass ... He's nearly a year young for his grade, giving his potential some added intrigue ...

Weaknesses: Has failed to live up to expectations three years into his college career ... Doesn't show a great deal of emotion. Appears to play lackadaisical causing critics to question his passion for the game ... Played better as a sophomore than a junior as his scoring average dipped from 15.0 to 11.3 ppg ... He's physically superior to nearly every opponent he faces, yet he seems to have trouble capitalizing on it ... Decision making and skills have not developed as expected ... His ball handling and passing skills are just average ... Must develop his mid-range game ... Defensively he loses focus and lacks intensity ... Work ethic and conditioning are not where they need to be ... Needs to improve from the line where he shot just 61% as a senior ... Missed a number of games in his junior year due to injury, he'll need to show that injury problems aren't a recurring problem for him ...
being compared to ron mercer (and less athletic!) is not a good thing :lol:lol

[Russ]

So the Spurs have like 4 selections in the 2nd round of the 09 draft.

Which even an expansion team couldn't use.

[whitebust]

i still don't think the draft was anywhere near as good as it could have bee for us, but at least it just got a little better.

i agree

[coopdogg3]

Not so fast... read his bio (I won't fault you if you stop at the nba comparison):

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/malikhairston.html

NBA Comparison: Ron Mercer (less athletic)
Strengths: Strong and athletic wing with ideal size to play the 2-guard position on the next level ... A talent, was a top 10 recruit coming out of high school in an extremely deep class ... His outside shooting has shown solid improvement (though he attempted less from beyond the arc) ... Very good rebounder. (6.0 rpg as a junior) ... Very strong physically, he is tough to contain when he crashes the glass ... He's nearly a year young for his grade, giving his potential some added intrigue ...

Weaknesses: Has failed to live up to expectations three years into his college career ... Doesn't show a great deal of emotion. Appears to play lackadaisical causing critics to question his passion for the game ... Played better as a sophomore than a junior as his scoring average dipped from 15.0 to 11.3 ppg ... He's physically superior to nearly every opponent he faces, yet he seems to have trouble capitalizing on it ... Decision making and skills have not developed as expected ... His ball handling and passing skills are just average ... Must develop his mid-range game ... Defensively he loses focus and lacks intensity ... Work ethic and conditioning are not where they need to be ... Needs to improve from the line where he shot just 61% as a senior ... Missed a number of games in his junior year due to injury, he'll need to show that injury problems aren't a recurring problem for him ...

/shrug There's a reason he's a 2nd round pick. But at least there's potential there at a position of need. As opposed to another PG. And the Spurs got some cash - which is a big deal for a small-market team. Might help open the purse strings a bit in FA.

[tlongII]

Hairston is an under-achiever who will probably not even make the Spurs roster. It was a dumb deal by the Spurs' FO.

[coopdogg3]

Hairston is an under-achiever who will probably not even make the Spurs roster. It was a dumb deal by the Spurs' FO.

Even though the Jailblazers are gone, pot smoking is still alive and well in the Portland area, apparently.

Most 2nd rounders don't make the roster. But the Spurs pick up another 2nd rounder next year, and get cash. It's a great deal.

[Russ]

Hairston is an under-achiever who will probably not even make the Spurs roster. It was a dumb deal by the Spurs' FO.

Unfortunately, I agree.

[T Park]

So wow, the kid can't play for the Toros? :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Hairston is an under-achiever who will probably not even make the Spurs roster. It was a dumb deal by the Spurs' FO.

So they get two picks and cash. BFD.

[Spurtacus]

So the Spurs have like 4 selections in the 2nd round of the 09 draft.

Gotta move up into the first.

[Marcus Bryant]

Even though the Jailblazers are gone, pot smoking is still alive and well in the Portland area, apparently.

Most 2nd rounders don't make the roster. But the Spurs pick up another 2nd rounder next year, and get cash. It's a great deal.

57 year old Oden will probably have a coronary next season anyways.

[GSH]

Anyone wanna rip the FO now? :)

Hell no. They made a few bucks cash, and got another second-rounder, so hopefully they can make a few bucks next year too. Put enough of these together, and who cares what the roster looks like?

And that Malik Hairston pickup was a real coup. I'm sure the Spurs wanted him all along, but they found a way to squeeze money out of the Suns in the process. My hat's off to them.

[T Park]

:lol

No Matter who the Spurs get, people have to bitch.


Perspective please people, perspective.

[coopdogg3]

57 year old Oden will probably have a coronary next season anyways.

I know you're joking, but I don't wish injuries on anybody. And I'm glad the Trailblazers have changed their structure. But to criticize this trade is just stupid. Traded a 2nd rounder (who may never come over, at a position that we now have depth and youth) for a 2nd rounder (at a position of need), a future 2nd rounder, and cash. You make that deal everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

[K-State Spur]

Hairston is an under-achiever who will probably not even make the Spurs roster. It was a dumb deal by the Spurs' FO.

Guys with his athletic ability who over-achieve don't last until the middle of the second round.

You can get guys who were productive, but might not have the athletic ability to stick in the league or NBA quality athletes who didn't produce up to their abilities in school.

[T Park]

Hell no. They made a few bucks cash, and got another second-rounder, so hopefully they can make a few bucks next year too. Put enough of these together, and who cares what the roster looks like?

And that Malik Hairston pickup was a real coup. I'm sure the Spurs wanted him all along, but they found a way to squeeze money out of the Suns in the process. My hat's off to them.

Yeah, at the worst Hairston develops on the Toros, Hill is the backup point, and the other guy is with the Toros as well.


Solid draft. Will get better after we see how good Hill is.

[timvp]

TRADE THE PARKER STOPPER TO THE SUNS?

WTF!?!?

:lol

JK broBro the Spurs could trade Tim Duncan to the Suns and you'd find a way to rationalize it.

[Marcus Bryant]

Bro the Spurs could trade Tim Duncan to the Suns and you'd find a way to rationalize it.

True.

But I will rationalize this. In two years Dragic joining the Suns won't matter.

[tlongII]

So they get two picks and cash. BFD.

They got one pick and Hairston and cash if I understand the deal correctly. Dragic can actually play unlike most 2nd rounders. Dumb deal.

[coopdogg3]

They got one pick and Hairston and cash if I understand the deal correctly. Dragic can actually play unlike most 2nd rounders. Dumb deal.

I'm sure Tau will love his game. Smart deal.

[50 cent]

True.

But I will rationalize this. In two years Dragic joining the Suns won't matter.

Yeah, because our window will be cemented shut by then and Tony Parker will be playing with Kobe in LA.

[Marcus Bryant]

They got one pick and Hairston and cash if I understand the deal correctly. Dragic can actually play unlike most 2nd rounders. Dumb deal.

When will Dragic be available? Dumb indeed.

[tlongII]

I know you're joking, but I don't wish injuries on anybody. And I'm glad the Trailblazers have changed their structure. But to criticize this trade is just stupid. Traded a 2nd rounder (who may never come over, at a position that we now have depth and youth) for a 2nd rounder (at a position of need), a future 2nd rounder, and cash. You make that deal everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

What depth do you have a PG? I don't see it.

[tlongII]

When will Dragic be available? Dumb indeed.

It might be a few years, but so what? At least he can play.

[Marcus Bryant]

It might be a few years, but so what? At least he can play.

Maybe. Winning a championship isn't about how many players you can stash abroad.

[coopdogg3]

What depth do you have a PG? I don't see it.

Tony Parker - Still young and prime for the Spurs.
George Hill - back-up PG and 1st round draft choice.
JV - veteran, steady hand. Will be fine as 3rd string PG.

Glad to be of service.

[coopdogg3]

It might be a few years, but so what? At least he can play.

Again, I'm sure the fans of Tau will love his game for the next 10 years.

[Mister Sinister]

Yeah, because our window will be cemented shut by then and Tony Parker will be playing with Kobe in LA.

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[Buddy Holly]

What depth do you have a PG? I don't see it.

Tony Parker, George Hill

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs finally get something out of a Tau player.

[T Park]

Bro the Spurs could trade Tim Duncan to the Suns and you'd find a way to rationalize it.


Dragic is never coming.

If Splitter is never coming with the same contract as this guy, hes not coming either.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Between this and the Shaq trade, I really think there is something to my notion that Kerr is really still working for us.

[Spurtacus]

Is this confirmed from a second source? Or just one report?

[K-State Spur]

Dragic can actually play...

...for Tau.

[MagnusKrauss]

Dragic will never come over for the Spurs.

maybe the Suns can work something out with Tau, but we all know Tau hates the Spurs' guts.

good trade.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hairston is an under-achiever who will probably not even make the Spurs roster. It was a dumb deal by the Spurs' FO.

Yeah, trading a Euro that will never make it out of Tau for a second rounder and cash is stupid.

That trade alone is worth it, if Hairston pans out in any fashion that's just an added bonus

[T Park]

:lol

ignore T Long.

Hes got a great team but can't appreciate it and wants to troll here.

[loveforthegame]

I wish this was reported by someone else other than a Suns newspaper.

[koopa]

got a text from that spurs.com shit

spurs aquire rights to malik hairston, golden state's 2009 second round pick, and cash from phoenix for th rights to that other bum

[Avitus1]

I'm a little bit relieved.

[Marcus Bryant]

golden state's 2009 second round pick

Nice. So they'll be back in the middle of the 2nd round next year.

[T Park]

How do they get Golden State's pick?

[TDMVPDPOY]

How do they get Golden State's pick?

so do we get GSW 2nd round pic or the SUNS later 2nd round pick which could be very low compared to the GSW pick

[koopa]

How do they get Golden State's pick?

not sure, it might be a mistake from that text, or the suns had their pick and just giving it to us

[Marcus Bryant]

How do they get Golden State's pick?

Because Phoenix had it.

[Dglue]

At first I thought they had made a huge mistake by trading Goran, but the trade that followed seems like a nice one....though I had wished that they drafted Walker and Erden instead of Plaisted, who I think don't have the skills to be in the NBA..

[T Park]

Because Phoenix had it.

Ok, so whos record matters with that pick, Golden State's?

If so, that could potentially be a kick ass pick.

[Marcus Bryant]

Ok, so whos record matters with that pick, Golden State's?

If so, that could potentially be a kick ass pick.

Yes, the Warriors' record would determine where the pick is...

[Mr. Peabody]

Ok, so whos record matters with that pick, Golden State's?

If so, that could potentially be a kick ass pick.

Golden State's record would determine the value of the pick.

[Jeremy]

Kerr described the 6-foot-4 Dragic as a player "who we feel has a chance to be our starting point guard in a few years."

Dragic might not play for the Suns next season because of contract issues with his Slovenian club team, but Kerr expressed optimism that Dragic would eventually join Phoenix.

"We feel confident we'll be able to get him over here," Kerr said.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/06/26/20080626sunspick.html

[Marcus Bryant]

ROFL. The Spurs thought Splitter would get away from Tau too.

[T Park]

"A few years"

:lmao

Sounds like Buford with Splitter.

Hes not coming from Tau.

Give it up Suns fan.

[Spurtacus]

I still would have preferred trading both second round picks to move up 10 spots from 45 and grab CDR.

[Manuismyhomeboy]

Haha the Suns are suckers, from nbadraft.net

"The Spurs continue their love affair with overseas prospects to take Slovenian guard Goran Dragic. Similar to former Spur Beno Udrih, there's a chance Dragic could see action with San Antonio if his buyout issues clear up."

[Bruno]

Spurs get $500K in cash in this trade.

[Indazone]

Spurs have basically tanked all their draft picks this year. I guess we'll have to wait for free agent season to see what Buford will do.

[anakha]

Spurs get $500K in cash in this trade.

Hairston, 2009 second rounder, and $500k for a player who may or may not make it to the NBA?

That amount would be almost equivalent to a year's salary for an early second-rounder.

Was Pop or Buford holding a gun to Kerr's head when the deal was made?

[AFBlue]

Woke up this morning to the news that the Spurs got traded Dragic for this guy. I had mixed feelings at first, because I thought Dragic could've been a good down-the-road pick....

But, I think this is ultimately a positive. At least the Spurs got one wing player out of this draft that could factor in the future.

[Mr. Body]

A nice move for the draft pick, the cash is nice, for a guy the Suns must have solely been targeting there. I value Hendrix or Hardin higher than Hairston but time will tell, I guess. I don't see Hairston sticking around very long.

[T Park]

Spurs have basically tanked all their draft picks this year. I guess we'll have to wait for free agent season to see what Buford will do.


God shut up.

You have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spurs have basically tanked all their draft picks this year.

What does that even mean?

[Indazone]

God shut up.

You have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

Well damn those commies. You know what they say. When you hate something so much you're only a hair away from being one yourself.

All three of the Spurs picks are likely to be cannonfodder by next year. But you can't really expect to get anything that great at the low 20's. I'm not thrilled with the Rockets picks either but oh well. The real moves will come in free agency and trades beginning on July 1st.

[AFBlue]

A nice move for the draft pick, the cash is nice, for a guy the Suns must have solely been targeting there. I value Hendrix or Hardin higher than Hairston but time will tell, I guess. I don't see Hairston sticking around very long.

I think the Spurs had to come away with at least one wing prospect after stating it as a clear need prior to the draft.

I do think Hairston has to "turn the switch on" to be a decent prospect, and even then he'll probably just be average....but they could've done worse.

And I went to bed thinking the Spurs drafted two PGs, a likely career-backup that will be receiving multi-year guaranteed dollars and another that couldn't help for a few years at least, and a combo forward with no discernable basketball skills....so this news was an improvement.

[Bruno]

Hairston, 2009 second rounder, and $500k for a player who may or may not make it to the NBA?

That amount would be almost equivalent to a year's salary for an early second-rounder.

Was Pop or Buford holding a gun to Kerr's head when the deal was made?

Kerr was damn happy to do this trade, you can check it on the video of Suns war room around the 10:30min mark :
mms://phxsuns.wmod.llnwd.net/a205/o2/draft08_080626.wmv

Suns were in deep love for Dragic and tried to trade up since the 34th pick.
Spurs use that desperation to get a great trade.

$500K + a future second round pick of an average team (Warriors) just to swap the 45th pick with the 48th pick is plain crazy.

[anakha]

$500K + a future second round pick of an average team (Warriors) just to swap the 45th pick with the 48th pick is plain crazy.

That $500k almost guarantees the Spurs will be doing a lot of experimenting with non-guaranteed contracts, 10-day signings, and maybe even late-season signings, just like this past season.

That amount of wiggle room under the luxury tax level is going to be pretty useful.

[Mr. Body]

That $500k almost guarantees the Spurs will be doing a lot of experimenting with non-guaranteed contracts, 10-day signings, and maybe even late-season signings, just like this past season.

Why? I don't think that impacts the cap in any way. Half a mil doesn't last too long in this league, anyway. More likely Holt buys another car.

[anakha]

*shrugs*

They've publicly acknowledged now that they have glaring needs.

They probably recognized those needs needed to be addressed last season, as evidenced by the short and late-season signings they made. All the time trying to make sure they did not go over the lux tax limit.

Odds are relatively high that only one of the three draftees is signed for the season. That gives them one or two roster spots to experiment with.

Basically, until they can definitively say that they've addressed their needs, I fully expect them to continue to massage the roster.

[Sway]

This was a damn good trade for the Spurs. Im impressed...

[Mr. Body]

This was a damn good trade for the Spurs. Im impressed...

They should have done another with the 26 to drop a few slots.

[anakha]

I don't think that impacts the cap in any way.

As admittedly underinformed about the cap as I am, I'll be more than happy to consider myself wrong if that indeed is the case.

[tp2021]

So the Spurs have like 4 selections in the 2nd round of the 09 draft.

Whose picks will they have? Is there a good website for finding a team's future picks?

[wildbill2u]

What depth do you have a PG? I don't see it.

The first thing I thought of when I heard we were trading the best PG in Europe and (according to the Suns) the 2nd best PG in the draft:

We're bringing Spanoulis back to the NBA! Someone call Kill Bill Pana. :wow

[TDMVPDPOY]

Whose picks will they have? Is there a good website for finding a team's future picks?

nbadraft.net click on 2009 mock draft

apparently we dont have a first round pick..so GSW pick will be in the low 40s

[Steve-O-Matic]

Whose picks will they have? Is there a good website for finding a team's future picks?

We have three second-rounders next year - our own, Houston's and Golden State's.

[tp2021]

i dont know how accurate it is, but realgm has us with NO pick also. but, it says the least favorable of the spurs 2nd and NO 2nd will go to charlotte. that would be no 1sts, three 2nds.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

They didn't trade for the guy I have a poster of over my bed, so I'm going to bitch about stupid stuff.

fify.

[coopdogg3]

i dont know how accurate it is, but realgm has us with NO pick also. but, it says the least favorable of the spurs 2nd and NO 2nd will go to charlotte. that would be no 1sts, three 2nds.

How did this happen? What trade was involved where we got NO's pick, and then somehow it goes to Charlotte? I don't remember this trade, I guess it doesn't matter as we get the better of the 2 picks. Here's to hoping the Rockets, Hornets, and Warriors suck next year, I guess. Though it won't matter. Spurs restocked the Toros with this years draft, they can restock their European farm system with next years draft.

[Dex]

I'm glad I finally saw this thread.

I had been reading around all day wondering how the fuck our new Slovenian had transmogrified into a SF prospect.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nbadraft.net 09 mock has us

pick 44, 56, 57, 58....thats fukn lame

[Steve-O-Matic]

How did this happen? What trade was involved where we got NO's pick, and then somehow it goes to Charlotte? I don't remember this trade, I guess it doesn't matter as we get the better of the 2 picks. Here's to hoping the Rockets, Hornets, and Warriors suck next year, I guess. Though it won't matter. Spurs restocked the Toros with this years draft, they can restock their European farm system with next years draft.

NO traded their #2 next year to TOR, who subsequently traded it to us in the Rasho Nesterovic trade. We then sent it to CHA in the Melvin Ely trade.

[coopdogg3]

NO traded their #2 next year to TOR, who subsequently traded it to us in the Rasho Nesterovic trade. We then sent it to CHA in the Melvin Ely trade.

Cool, thanks. So we have 3 2nd round picks next year, not 4? And we get the better of the 2 picks between ours and the Hornets?

2nd round picks aren't much, but they're good trade fodder.

[T Park]

fify.


Freaking Aggie hits the nail right on the head.

First his girlfriend Javtokas, now the draft.

:lol

[Harry Callahan]

Dragic -- the one thing I liked about this draft.

I remember feeling great for about 5 seconds when the Spurs drafted Barbosa -- then the same thing happened. :bang

As good as Barbosa has been STATISTICALLY in the regular season, the guy is not worthy of cleaning Manu's dirty jock.

One of the biggest reason's the Suns have failed against the Spurs in the playoffs all these years is Barbosa.

[Harry Callahan]

Kerr was damn happy to do this trade, you can check it on the video of Suns war room around the 10:30min mark :
mms://phxsuns.wmod.llnwd.net/a205/o2/draft08_080626.wmv

Suns were in deep love for Dragic and tried to trade up since the 34th pick.
Spurs use that desperation to get a great trade.

$500K + a future second round pick of an average team (Warriors) just to swap the 45th pick with the 48th pick is plain crazy.

So our front office took advantage of Phoenix in their man love of Dragic or whatever his name is.

I thought (after reading many recent posts in here) the FO was incapable of making intelligent moves.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I like the look of Hairston.

[clubalien]

Bro the Spurs could trade Tim Duncan to the Suns and you'd find a way to rationalize it.

Doc was quoted as saying, "We feel amre will bring great support to the Tony led spurs" and "Tim was just getting to old". Doc replaced pop this year after pop retired to focus on his wine business. Shortely after, Tim retired in a move simliar to danny ferry's trade years ago.:hat

[todopedo]

from hoops world, all too funny:

Suns May Not Bring Dragic This Year

Posted: 6/28/2008 4:54:00 AM
Source: East Valley Tribune

How bad does Goran Dragic want to play for the Phoenix Suns? Last Saturday, he got on a plane in his native Slovenia and flew 17 hours to Los Angeles. After a two-hour layover, he arrived in Phoenix just before 10 p.m.

The next morning he was up before 7 and on the practice court at US Airways Center at 9, where he spent an hour and a half playing two-on-two with three other draft hopefuls.

A few hours later, he was back on another plane, headed home.

The Suns were the only team on his agenda.

“All of that because he wants to play here with Steve (Nash),” Suns vice president of operations David Griffin said.

Even that — plus Oregon swingman Malik Hairston, a second-round pick next year and the $500,000 cash it cost for the Suns to coax the Spurs to take Dragic with the 45th pick in Thursday’s draft — may not be enough to get the Suns point guard heir apparent to America this year.

The buyout clause with his team in Spain comes next year. If he and his agent, Bill Duffy (who is also Nash’s agent), try to work a buyout this year, it could cost the player about 1 million euros (more than $1.5 million) even after the Suns kick in the $500,000 allowable to help.

“We’re going to try. We’ll do what we can,” Griffin said. “This year, we can only do what we can do. It’s a lot of money, and the exchange rate doesn’t help. Maybe it takes a year.”

General manager Steve Kerr, who had never seen Dragic before the workout, would rather not wait.

“We’re going to roll up our sleeves and see what we can get done,” he said. “After what I saw, the sooner he gets here, the better.”


http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?hd=20080628&lc=NBA#STORY_9741

[Dario]

The first thing I thought of when I heard we were trading the best PG in Europe and (according to the Suns) the 2nd best PG in the draft:

We're bringing Spanoulis back to the NBA! Someone call Kill Bill Pana. :wow
Best pg in europe?:wakeup

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Best pg in europe?:wakeup

American writers and fans always do this. Whatever players is draft they must be "best in Europe". No person from Europe believe Goran is best or 2nd best PG in Europe only hype machines of US.

But he is talented player with good prospect and he have better work ethic than Beno do.

[InRareForm]

Now that Spurs are getting fucked 2-3 years down the road too.

ain't that the truth! :bang

[longhorn]

Now that Spurs are getting fucked 2-3 years down the road too.

2 years. Bingo.

[honestfool84]

Wow.

[Spurious]

I don't know the details of Dragic's career the way many of you do, but I've heard he only got serious about the NBA when he knew he might have a chance to play with Nash. So who knows if he'd have been as excited about leaving Europe for SA or any team besides the Suns?

[Pero]

I don't know the details of Dragic's career the way many of you do, but I've heard he only got serious about the NBA when he knew he might have a chance to play with Nash. So who knows if he'd have been as excited about leaving Europe for SA or any team besides the Suns?

Well he probably wouldn't play for the Spurs because they wouldn't help him buy out his contract. :lol

[ploto]

I don't know the details of Dragic's career the way many of you do, but I've heard he only got serious about the NBA when he knew he might have a chance to play with Nash. So who knows if he'd have been as excited about leaving Europe for SA or any team besides the Suns?

Not exactly accurate. He came earlier than planned because Kerr wanted him ASAP. Most thought he should have stayed in Europe a little longer.

[timaios]

We had Hairston + Blair & cash for him.
Just sayin'...

[Spurtacus]

Dragic > Blair+Hairston+cash


Memo to Spurs FO. Don't trade guards to Phoenix. Barbosa and Dragic.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I thought this was a joke.

Wow.

[Russ]

Dragic -- the one thing I liked about this draft.

I remember feeling great for about 5 seconds when the Spurs drafted Barbosa -- then the same thing happened. :bang

The Spurs need to stop drafting for the Suns (and the Rockets for that matter).

Dragic is the type of player that the Spurs would have drafted and kept in earlier years. Barbosa, too.

Looking forward, they definitely need to make the Splitter pick pay off. :toast

[beachwood]

first you're griping that tau will keep the player, now's a tony-stopper.

He's a 2nd round pick. Odds are he never sees playing time, much less becomes a viable nba player.

fail. Hahaha

[beachwood]

Even though the Jailblazers are gone, pot smoking is still alive and well in the Portland area, apparently.

Most 2nd rounders don't make the roster. But the Spurs pick up another 2nd rounder next year, and get cash. It's a great deal.

You need to stop evaluating talent and making predictions. For ever.

Just watch the games and enjoy them.

[EricB]

So people don't like getting Dejuan Blair for this guy. Gotcha.

[crc21209]

So people don't like getting Dejuan Blair for this guy. Gotcha.

+1. What people don't understand is that the Spurs didnt really "trade" this guy to Phoenix...he was Phoenix's pick to begin with...the Spurs were not eyeing him anyway..

[HarlemHeat37]

Yup..that seems to be lost in all this LOL..

NBA teams generally don't analyze late 2nd round picks for trades..Phoenix obviously had Dragic in mind beforehand..

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Memo to Spurs FO. Don't trade guards to Phoenix. Barbosa and Dragic.


I don't think the Spurs really regret giving Barbosa to the Suns, in fact it's a move that might have won them a championship.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. It is like people don't know what is going on, but talk anyways. The Spurs traded the Suns the pick, not Dragic specifically.

[Blackjack]

+1. What people don't understand is that the Spurs didnt really "trade" this guy to Phoenix...he was Phoenix's pick to begin with...the Spurs were not eyeing him anyway..

I still don't have a problem with the trade -- Blair's gotta future, THC was born and, even though it's been a bad matchup for him this series, I'm very glad they've got Hill.

But to your last point, that's not necessarily true. They had just already drafted Hill:


It was a prearranged trade, so the Spurs didn’t know whom the Suns were taking. Once they learned it was Dragic, some San Antonio officials winced. They, too, had seen Dragic’s potential but had already taken another young guard, George Hill, in the first round. When Hill labored in his summer-league debut a few weeks later and Dragic shined, the groans spread to the Spurs’ coaching staff.

Hill won over the Spurs soon enough. He’s improved steadily and now rates as one of their top six players. He’s struggled in this series, but the Spurs wouldn’t have beaten the Mavericks without his contributions. There’s no shame in the Spurs’ decision, especially considering that the future pick they received for Dragic became DeJuan Blair.

It looks bad now -- in light of the series and recent play -- but I think both sides will end up pretty pleased when it's all said and done.

[Biggems]

IMO, had we kept Dragic, he would have turned into Beno Part 2......The Suns are a perfect fit for him. Their system is a lot less rigid than Pop's. Once Dragic got in Pop's doghouse, he would have never seen the court again.

[tlongII]

So people don't like getting Dejuan Blair for this guy. Gotcha.

Are you crazy?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Exactly. It is like people don't know what is going on, but talk anyways. The Spurs traded the Suns the pick, not Dragic specifically.


Well, it's basically the equivalent of everyone saying the Suns traded Rajon Rondo when Boston told them to take Rajon Rondo with the pick. Marcus Williams was still on the board and most people considered him the best PG in the draft that year. It's a mistake fans always make when analyzing draft day trades and I'm not sure why.

[Obstructed_View]

The Suns did an excellent job of scouting to focus in on Dragic, and the Spurs were the beneficiary of Phoenix' wish to move up a few spots. That's the definition of a win/win scenario, because the alternative is not the Spurs picking Dragic, it's the Spurs picking Hairston and not having Blair.

[NFGIII]

As good as Barbosa has been STATISTICALLY in the regular season, the guy is not worthy of cleaning Manu's dirty jock.

One of the biggest reason's the Suns have failed against the Spurs in the playoffs all these years is Barbosa.

And you need to add Marion to that, also.

I really don't think Barbosa would have worked out in Pop's system, either.


The Spurs need to stop drafting for the Suns (and the Rockets for that matter).

Dragic is the type of player that the Spurs would have drafted and kept in earlier years. Barbosa, too.

Looking forward, they definitely need to make the Splitter pick pay off. :toast

I disagree with both - Dragic and Barbosa. Already stated what we got fo Dragic. Hairston + cash + ultimately Blair. Hellava deal for the Spurs regardless of what he jus did to the Spurs.

As for Barbosa - traded to the Suns for a 1st round pick in 2005. That was traded to the NYK for Nazr and he was very instrumental in the championship run in 2005.

So you would have kept Barbosa and most likely sacrificed a ring? Really?

PS : NYK picked David Lee so both sides made out on that trade.

[SenorSpur]

If Blair had had gotten more minutes and continue his ass-kicking ways, the Dragic cries wouldn't be as loud.

[baseline bum]

Dragic would have definitely have been nice to have, but I can't be too mad when the Spurs turned that mid 2nd round pick into Blair and Hairston. Blair fills a position the Spurs desperately needed help at, and he's going to be a very solid player going forward.

[angelbelow]

Dragic > Blair+Hairston+cash


Memo to Spurs FO. Don't trade guards to Phoenix. Barbosa and Dragic.

Haha, how do people get this way?

[objective]

IMO, had we kept Dragic, he would have turned into Beno Part 2......The Suns are a perfect fit for him. Their system is a lot less rigid than Pop's. Once Dragic got in Pop's doghouse, he would have never seen the court again.

Exactly.

The only reason the Suns are where they are is because they had a coach who was committed to developing the youth even when it was hurting the team. Just look at Dudley and Dragic. And that's not even bringing up Robin Lopez who will make the Suns a good deal better if he comes back healthy.

The Dragic trade was fine, but I don't understand why people are labeling it as "Dragic for Blair & Hairston & cash".

Let's be real. The trade was only for Blair, and there the Spurs got lucky. Hairston is doghoused and won't get out. The only reason there was even a "THC" or a pro-Hairston movement at all was because Michael Finley wanted out. Without Finley hitting the button for the ejector seat, Hairston never would have continued to see the court even for regular season scrub time.

[hsxvvd]

I still prefer Blair to Dragic, but it cannot be argued...

Playoff games single handedly won..

Dragic 1
Blair 0

[gregpschneid]

[QUOTE=hsxvvd;4330342]I still prefer Blair to Dragic, but it cannot be argued...

Playoff games single handedly won..

Dragic 1
Blair 0[/QUOTE

I'm sure you know this, but the spurs didn't trade Blair for Dragic! It was Dragic for Hairston. Hairston has some great athleticism and potential. Hopefully this doens't end up looking as bad as the Scola trade!

[Blackjack]

The only reason there was even a "THC" or a pro-Hairston movement at all was because Michael Finley wanted out. Without Finley hitting the button for the ejector seat, Hairston never would have continued to see the court even for regular season scrub time.


With all due respect, objective . . .

What ya know 'bout T. H. C?

Seriously, though, unless you know something I don't, Pop never inquired about Coalition membership. It's been a movement of the people (a small group since his rookie season) by the people (that same group, but grew in size as Finley, Mason and Bogans were exposed to the masses for what they were) and ultimately for the people: Spursnation.

The movement didn't come to bear upon him seeing limited playing time when Finley wanted out (though, the bandwagon began to overflow), it's been going strong since Day-One of this year -- when he outplayed Bogans in every facet of the game when the job was supposedly up for grabs.

But THC is hopeful that one day you'll realize Mr. Mahinmi is of no threat to The Coalition. He's neither competitor nor conflict of interest. We're an inclusive group and an avid supporter of equal rights (to young, talented, athletic and under-utilized players). We're looking to make progress for the fellow Man and we're not apposed to branching out and joining forces with like-minded groups; help me, scratch that, us, help you and your cause.

Strength in numbers ... let's not tear each other down.

In the wise words of Mr. King:

http://flywithbats.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/rodney_king.jpg

God bless. :smokin

[objective]

:lol

you know the point I was making though. It wasn't about you or people who intelligently saw in preseason that Hairston should get time over Blowgans. (sorry for the inappropriate misspelling of his name).

It's about Pop and the organization. They didn't want those guys around this year, not really. It didn't matter how well they played when given opportunities or how poorly the people ahead of them played, they were done.

So that's why I don't get people including Hairston in Dragic trade talk. Technically, yes, Hairston was involved. But it's not like he's been a player for the Spurs, they don't even want him. Hell, they already cut him once. Next year they'll bring back Bogans or sign some other useless vet scrub to play ahead of him before they cut Hairston's unguaranteed contract. It's what they do.

[baseline bum]

I'm sure you know this, but the spurs didn't trade Blair for Dragic! It was Dragic for Hairston. Hairston has some great athleticism and potential. Hopefully this doens't end up looking as bad as the Scola trade!

The Spurs traded Dragic for Hairston and the Blair pick, so yes, they did effectively trade for Blair. Without that pick from Phoenix, no way they land Blair with their own pick (at 51).

[Sisk]

Now that Spurs are getting fucked 2-3 years down the road too.

good call.

[TDMVPDPOY]

sour grapes? i think at the time didnt we also had beno on the team

[Chillen]

Unfortunately for the Spurs, the Suns player Dragic had the game of his career at a pretty crucial time for this Spurs team, the 4th quarter in last nights game. When trades happen no team on Earth can peer into the future and see how players or picks pan out. I'd take Blair over Dragic anyday, he just happen to have the game of his career at the Spurs expense last night, it was pretty incredible actually.

Right now the Spurs have to focus on not getting swept and winning the next game. If they win game 4 and go to Phoenix and lose game 5 perhaps it could light a fire under this team for next season to get better and give it another try. I think Duncan needs a good athletic big to help him out and the Spurs need better shooters, some changes need to be made but the Spurs can compete for an NBA title next season if they can't turn this series around.

[024]

spurs don't need hill and dragic. hill had the game of his career against the mavs and dragic had the game of his career against the spurs.

[Obstructed_View]

I'll try to explain this again: The Spurs would not have kept Dragic. He was not their pick. They got the pick they used on Blair as payment for picking Dragic for the Suns to keep him away from someone that picked after San Antonio and before Phoenix.