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Bloomberg is the spoiler Gabbard couldn't be.

If capitalism is so bad, why does Bernie accepts its fruits?

Sounds like you two need to have a pow wow. He won't have a chance as a socialist.

How do you know anything about my voting or research? Simple answer is you don't. Now keep up.

"Sanders is not a typical socialist. Sure, he believes in a highly regulated and heavily taxed private enterprise, but he does not seem to want the state to own banks and make cars. Considering the negative connotations of “socialism” in America, it is a bit of a puzzle why Sanders insists on using...

Where did I blow the gasket or become angry or upset? You're changing the subject. I used the same words you used - for a reason. I am not the only one who would assume his policies since he self identifies as a socialist. It's his choice to do so and his history from the start has been...

My point is that the "socialist" handle isn't a bonus for Bernie. It still invokes negative connotations outside the academia and urban professional settings, especially with whites.

Again, how would you know? You can answer that (2nd time I asked) or cherry pick Chump's post to jump in on.

They won't look at his position. They'll hear "socialist" and assume to know his position. We're talking about the average voter (much like the average poster here) Differentiate "look at his position" from "listen to his words" in a way that doesn't include research.

You're the one who asked if anyone had a problem with it. You could have used "Has anyone blown a gasket over it" or "is anyone angry about it" or "is anyone upset about it" but you didn't. If it's all the same, why do you keep ratcheting up the drama? Do you need to paint your opponent as out of...

:lol You went from "take issue with" to "angry" to "upset" to "blew a gasket". Your need to insert drama where none exists tells me you don't really have anything else to offer. “Is it right that the middle class continues to disappear while there has been a massive transfer of wealth...

Agree about not researching, but not about listening to Bernie and deciding based on his position. I don't think they'll look at him at all outside of maybe a debate. He won't lose voters, mostly, but he won't gain any. I have a lower opinion of the average voter than you, obviously. I think they...

He still has his own argument he can fall back on. I realize that's an extreme measure around here but it's there for him.

Quote what you claim I agreed with you on or retract it. The average voter won't research anyone. I don't know what "average voter" you've been talking to. I mean, Trump won. Do you think the average voter researched Trump and his lengthy background in politics or they just voted for the...

:lol Chump said What does this have to do with your assertions? Let your argument stand on its own. :cry "we're not piling on"

If you call yourself a socialist, Trump won't need to. Bernie isn't facing Trump, he's facing Warren and Biden mostly.

When did I do that exactly? Use your quote tags.

CNN bad now

Of course it's relevant. You said it's no big deal whether someone identifies as a democrat or socialist. Socialist democrat is one thing, but democratic socialist is something else, and the 2nd is how Bernie self identifies because he won't let go of socialism. It will affect his chances. You can...

:lol This is how it works with you folks. You respond to my answer to Chump and he responds to my answer to you. You're so lost now I don't know if I can get you back on track.

You think dems are going to vote for a self professed socialist? Even if his stance is not actually socialist, how many voters actually know anything about the candidate they are voting for? Bernie will get beaten in his own party by self professed capitalists who aren't really capitalists.

Go with that strawman.

We'll see come election won't we?

That was about socialism. Bernie claims to be a democratic socialist. I did post the description of that as well. It's not my claim that he's a democratic socialist, but his.

Because you kept getting away from it with your hyperbole about anger and being upset. You keep trying to separate Bernie from the socialism ideology as if I didn't already do that in my initial comment. You agreed that Bernie isn't a true socialist, but he does claim to be a democratic socialist....

You assumed I was quoting Bernie. I never said that. You make too many assumptions. You're using circular reasoning (Bernie is a democratic socialist because Bernie says so, and we know it's true even though Bernie defines it differently, because Bernie says so), as if the term has no actual...

You're lost. Agreeing with me that he's not a real socialist because he profits from capitalism is where you were originally. You even said so. Try to keep up, Philo. You have no idea what I've done. How could you? Your disingenuous shtick is tiring. The definition was only used to get a...

So Bernie is delusional or ignorant since he describes himself as something different than he claims to be. And since you like quotes: "If we wanted to quibble about terminology, I’d say this approach is less “democratic socialist” than it is “social democratic.” But the “socialist” label is...

Your question is without merit. It has no bearing on the discussion. Now define the term since you dismissed the Wiki description or simply settle for my version of it, like you did with Bernie.

I never said that. Show me a quote. I feel you 're using a bit of a sophist argument.