• midnightpulp's Avatar
    2 Hours Ago
    Yep. And the brave Chinese whistleblowers, as well. Not to mention all the checkers, baggers, fast food employees, truck drivers who are keeping society running. Exposes how people like Zuckerfuck aren't really that valuable in the grand scheme.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    2 Hours Ago
    :lol China's. The West was complacent, but not devious like the CCP.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    3 Hours Ago
    Guess this is the first common ground we'll find. That's why qualify with "range." Flu can be .1 to 1 percent depending. I just find the Iceland study encouraging because .2 is a hell of a lot better than 1.6 or 4 or 10 percent (Italy).
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    4 Hours Ago
    :lol of course they're lying. It's what they do.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    4 Hours Ago
    Defying the order. Not Newsom's fault. Unless you want martial law in the US of A? Trump botched. I know when you side a man, you side him forever, but he BOTCHED. There's no spin outta this.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    4 Hours Ago
    Honestly, time for political football is over. This should bring all Americans together in calling our ANYONE who botched. Many dems botched. And Trump botched. He should not have in any circumstances been saying "this thing will be over by March" and downplaying it, presumably to protect the stock...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    Maybe your perception is seeing things that aren't there (aka projection). And all I've done is post facts after facts after facts. Apparently you aren't reading the links. Now you'll pivot to my 1958 flu number as "proof" of my not being studious, but I actually could not find a US mortality rate....
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    Current cases. Yeah, we won't know the actual mortality rate until we antibody test and see how many likely got it.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    It's the CDC's own figure (the 116K): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1957-1958-pandemic.html Not everyone in the country comes down with the flu every year. In 1958, the US population was 175 million. Every year about 60 million people get infected. Our current population is...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    I just think he enjoys the sensationalism or something. Not sure what his shtick here is, really. We should examine all the facts, and I feel it's the MSM's job to present all those facts, but he feels flashing numbers and footage of body bags and "Italy!" 24/7 is a more reasonable evaluation of...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    Then what is your fuckin' problem? I don't get your contention here.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    The 1958 pandemic killed 116,000 when the population was half the size. The flu usually infects 61 million per year. Cut that in half and 116000/31000000=0.38. I say flu levels because a nasty flu season anywhere in the world has a range of 0.1-1 percent morbidity.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    No, you misconstrued my position, per usual in your little tiff with me here because I'm not building a bunker while CNN flashes the numbers on screen.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    And as ^ a corollary to the Iceland study (from that same article): Good and bad. Bad because these asymptomatic cases might spread. Good because it means many, many people have already had it and recovered and we expect this fact to aid in "flattening the curve." It'll also translate into a...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    5 Hours Ago
    Yes, because we need mass testing of ALL cases to get that picture. Right now, they're just testing obvious cases, meaning we're getting a flood of deaths from the lag but not a flood a new cases to see where the true mortality rate might be headed. Mass testing is supposed to start soon, so we'll...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    6 Hours Ago
    Who declared anything peachy? I've said many times New York is in the crosshairs of this thing, and that is very troubling. But for all the reporting you'll see about New York, they will be ZERO mention of the situations in Florida, California, and Texas, and other less densely populated states....
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    6 Hours Ago
    It is. There's data lag with death counts. There's often co-morbidity in many patients so it's difficult to pin down what EXACTLY caused death (did you bother to read the article I posted?). On a per capita basis, we are 7 deaths per 1 million people vs. Italy's 166 per 1 million (who the...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    6 Hours Ago
    Not on the MSM channels I've seen. On alternative outlets, sure. So what do you get out of this? What should be my "proper" reaction to this event?
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    6 Hours Ago
    LkrFan replied to a thread Lakers: Tweet Thread to End ALL Kobe Slander in NBA Forum
    :lol
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    6 Hours Ago
    Here's a great article by an EXPERT showing how deaths can be recorded, related to your example. https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    6 Hours Ago
    Yep. Never once did I say tone it down. I'm not sure why he's picking this bone to death so much. Not sure what he gets out of it? I won't do the "we're all gonna die!!!!!" thing unless we really are all gonna die. I'm demanding mainstream media provide a counterbalance to those raw facts.
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    No, no, no, no. YOU said that. I never said they needed to "tone it down." I said they need to present said factual reporting more accurately. They can flash the 120K total cases in the US on the screen to their heart's content, but a "responsible" presentation of those facts would look at how the...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    Great post, and no disagreement. I'm basically just relaying expert opinion that might operate on the lower bound of those assumptions because I think the upper bound projections of the Imperial Study, which the media have been hammering home, are scaring people. And I think it's prudent to balance...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    Not what I'm saying at all. He revised the estimate ONE DAY after the UK locked down. Do you think he has enough data from the effects of that lockdown to make a reliable estimate? And the UK really is just in a soft lockdown, meaning those efforts will have to rely on the population complying to...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    I get it was in his initial forecast. I probably worded it wrong and don't mean he revised the model. My issue here is that he quickly went on record as to state the UK on the path toward 20K when the lockdown and social distancing just happened. How can he even know if those procedures are having...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    I feel you. I don't like this trend of distrusting experts that has been happening in US culture over the past decade. But I'll have to reiterate that I'm just echoing experts and doing a bit of theory. This article basically sums my point-of-view of the matter: ...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    9 Hours Ago
    Sure, many factors can contribute. Age and health of the population, health care response, etc. I think everyone just wants to know the true lethality of this virus as it relates to the demographics and healthcare infrastructure of the US. The current 1.5 is probably lower due to the non-count of...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    10 Hours Ago
    That's what I was getting at yesterday. Ferguson instantly revised the UK's total death count from 500K to 20K nearly immediately after the lockdown (how does he know the effort is having an effect that soon?). Now it's further revised down to 5700. For the "leading expert" and "world renown"...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    10 Hours Ago
    Yes, we're spitting in the wind here until we get more reliable data. I know it seems I might be doing that, but I'm simply relating the information I've read from other epidemiologists. I'm just the messenger. And just because we're not experts doesn't mean we can't use logic and critical...
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  • midnightpulp's Avatar
    10 Hours Ago
    ^ He didn't seem to account for it in the estimates because the initial figure that had everybody freaked out was the 60 million/3 million, which was projected from Wuhan's 81K/3200 (4 percent CFR). He, nor anyone else, has any idea how many mild and asymptomatic cases exist that were never tested....
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