Bucks Want to Trade Villanueva - Any chance the Spurs get in on this?

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

i usually agree with you tav, but im not with you here. im just not sure if you can effectively have him out there to "stretch the floor" when hes hitting at a sub-30% rate (29.7% last season).

sure, he can score a bit, but he does it so inefficiently that im not sure its actually that big a positive. take a look at his per36 number next to finleys numbers the last 3 years. CV scores about 3 more ppg, but on about 3 more fg attempts. and he does it at a lower percentage (47 eFG%, 50 TS% vs 50 eFG%, 52 TS% last season). to be fair though, his number the two previous season where a bit better (50 eFG% and 54 TS% average those years).

CV seems like a younger, bigger, athletic, rebounding finley, whose more turnover prone, fouls at a much higher rate, isnt as efficient or nearly as accurate from 3, and is just as bad a defender (not so much a direct comparison of the two, just of their contributions on the court). i guess if the price was low (bonner and a 2nd) i couldnt complain, but i wouldnt be ecstatic about the deal. a part of me would rather see what bonner could do over a good stretch with solid PT before i took a flier on CV (and thats a scary thought).

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i see all the same warts you do....but Bonner and a 2nd is, as you suggest, worth the gamble

Villanueva sucks.

If he couldn't last under Skiles he ain't gonna last under Pop.


Pass.

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Originally Posted by tav1

Poor.

But, hell, I don't care. He fills out the front court rotation, would be on an expiring contract, could be moved in February for a pick or something....

Low risk/high reward.

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Players thrive in a contract year. Might be worth a shot next season.

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Originally Posted by tav1

No way.

Villanueva's numbers were down a little last year, and he's never had a true big to play off of. But his career percentages are at 31 or 32 from 3, which isn't that much worse than what Bonner has given the Spurs.

But Villanueva can do all sorts of things offensively that Bonner would never attempt. In the end, my support of Villanueva is anchored in his ability to create points as a 7th or 8th man.

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I'm not really sure that's true. First, Villanueva - even at his best - should not be shooting 3s...period. There's a big difference between 32% (villanueva's career percentage) and 39% (bonner's career percentage).

Villanueva, despite receiving consistent PT, is almost allergic to the paint offensively. He does not drive to the rim or get to the line at all.

They're both terrible defenders, but at least with Bonner you get some energy.

And, while it was his rookie year, CV did play off of Chris Bosh for a year.

Villanueva> Bonner

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

I'm not really sure that's true. First, Villanueva - even at his best - should not be shooting 3s...period. There's a big difference between 32% (villanueva's career percentage) and 39% (bonner's career percentage).

Villanueva, despite receiving consistent PT, is almost allergic to the paint offensively. He does not drive to the rim or get to the line at all.

They're both terrible defenders, but at least with Bonner you get some energy.

And, while it was his rookie year, CV did play off of Chris Bosh for a year.

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The career percentages are a little deceptive in that I'm not sure Bonner fits in San Antonio the way he fit in Toronto.

Allergic to the paint is a bit strong, but he does score facing the hoop. But I think this is a good reason to think he'd fit nicely alongside Duncan.

And when he played off Bosh, he had a 48 pt game. Look he's an offensive player that is good for 12 pts and 6 reb in 20 minutes or so. I'd take that.

But we're going around in circles. And there is no indication that the Spurs have any interest in him. I'll bow out here.

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Originally Posted by tav1

i see all the same warts you do....but Bonner and a 2nd is, as you suggest, worth the gamble

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way the hell would the Bucks will want Bonner!?!?!?!?!? Guys you need to be more realistic

Charlie's a volume shooter and needs lots of touches to be productive. Pass.

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Originally Posted by kobyz

way the hell would the Bucks will want Bonner!?!?!?!?!? Guys you need to be more realistic

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As you can see from the other posts, I'm pro Villanueva. But I think you overestimate his value. The Bucks want to get rid of him, period. He's clashes with the coach--they'll move him for cheap. Also, as you can see from other threads, K-State makes a strong case the Villanueva is not any better than Bonner. I disagree. But hey, you know, it's debatable.

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Originally Posted by tav1

As you can see from the other posts, I'm pro Villanueva. But I think you overestimate his value. The Bucks want to get rid of him, period. He's clashes with the coach--they'll move him for cheap. Also, as you can see from other threads, K-State makes a strong case the Villanueva is not any better than Bonner. I disagree. But hey, you know, it's debatable.

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Bonner sucks!! he is the most inferior player in the NBA, why anybody will want him on his team, why someone will want to spend 3 milion $ on him, Villanueva has some talent, Bonner can't play!!

I'd happily do a Bonner for Villaneuva trade (even with a 2nd thrown in). Look at Knickerblogger.net 's stats page. CVill has a better rebound rate (15.0 to 13.3) PER (15.1 to 12.54). Both are pretty useless on D. CVill is younger and it might be possible to break his bad habits...

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Originally Posted by tav1

The career percentages are a little deceptive in that I'm not sure Bonner fits in San Antonio the way he fit in Toronto.

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Bonner did shoot 38% in his first year with the club (basically his career average), so I wouldn't say that is true. I would attribute the main difference to his playing time being a bit more consistent that year (pre-injury) than it was this season.

i can't belive to what i read, Bonner is worthless, no team will take him even if we paid them to take him. you just sound pathetic when you think that we can get some value for Bonner.

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Originally Posted by kobyz

Bonner sucks!! he is the most inferior player in the NBA, why anybody will want him on his team, why someone will want to spend 3 milion $ on him, Villanueva has some talent, Bonner can't play!!

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I agree that Bonner is overpaid and I would love to see the team be able to dump his contract.

I just don't think CV gives you much more. His offense (which requires too many shots to get) would not justify his defense to the point that I think he would end up in Pop's doghouse very quickly with little hope for reprieve.

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

I agree that Bonner is overpaid and I would love to see the team be able to dump his contract.

I just don't think CV gives you much more. His offense (which requires too many shots to get) would not justify his defense to the point that I think he would end up in Pop's doghouse very quickly with little hope for reprieve.

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but he has talent, he just need to be more focus, he once score 48 in a game, he can rebound, he is 10 times much better then Bonner

Bonner for CV would be great. Lesser $ left on his contract and it ends next summer. Perfect scenario to do a sign and trade then. But it won't happen.

He has the tools to be a decent defender, everyone cannot be Tim or Bruce. He's an upgrade from Bonner and the ever older horry who only plays portions of the year. We need regular season relief and that cannot be denied.

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Originally Posted by romad_20

He's not old. this is 3rd or 4th year.

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Maybe he just looks old to me. Darn it.

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Originally Posted by kobyz

but he has talent, he just need to be more focus, he once score 48 in a game, he can rebound, he is 10 times much better then Bonner

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Tracy Murray once scored 50 in a game.

And while CV does out-rebound Bonner, it's by only a slight margin.

I would be alright with it because yes, he does have a higher ceiling than Bonner + his contract expires earlier and we'd be rid of Bonner's deal.

I just don't think he'd be a guy Pop would target or that he would be much of an upgrade over the Red Rocket.

If we could get him,its great!!!! I saw many of his game when he played in NCAA, he's energy guy, and active on boards,and occasionally shoots 3. He's really young as well considering he's going to NBA not long after he enter college.They got lots of player like him in Bucks and afraid he will ask for more money once his contract is up. Look at his history,u will like this guy...hes really young and got potential..remember Spurs is quite damn old

I prefer my players with eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by hsxvvd

I prefer my players with eyebrows.

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:lol

Why on Earth would the Spurs want a player that even a dreadful team like Milwaukee wants nothing to do with? C'mon, folks, think before you post the next "let's go get this loser, he's available!" thread.

Villanueva sucks monkey balls. He wouldn't make it to the first game of the season cuz Pop would kill him in training camp or bury him under the bench like he did with Jackie Butler.

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Originally Posted by Brutalis

Pass. Scrub. Half assed player even on the Bucks.

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Yeah.