Manu coming back to SA today

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Originally Posted by diego

good post roycrikside. of course, tpark will completely ignore it, just as he ignores any post that challenges his BS.

"i'm a paying customer..."

"i want my product at 100%"

that's all i needed to know tpark, you are a coward. no heart, no spine, no faith, no balls. go write your congressman and consumer reports so they can explain to you that sports teams do not own their players.

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oleeee oleeee oleee oleeeeeee Dieeeegooooo Dieeegooooo!!!!:clap:clap:worthy::worthy::worthy:

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Originally Posted by ElNono

He was supposed to be back July 7 to do further studies on his ankle, but the Argentina team doctor said he recovered quickly, and that he finished the treatment last Friday. He said the swelling and pain are gone. Manu is supposed to meet with Spurs team doctors to talk about his recovery. He will be in SA for just a day or two only, because he will be back in Argentina by Friday, when he is to attend a ceremony where the President of Argentina is going to present him with the Argentina flag he is to carry at the Olympic games.

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Awesome! Thanks for the update. :)

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Originally Posted by diego

good post roycrikside. of course, tpark will completely ignore it, just as he ignores any post that challenges his BS.

"i'm a paying customer..."

"i want my product at 100%"

that's all i needed to know tpark, you are a coward. no heart, no spine, no faith, no balls. go write your congressman and consumer reports so they can explain to you that sports teams do not own their players.

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Explain to me EXACTLY how that makes me a coward, for wanting the players that I pay to watch at 100%.

I can't wait for this horseshit.

I'm a big fan of Manu, but even a BIGGER Spurs fan. I don't think it is unreasonable for your boss to want to make sure you are 100% before undertaking something that might make you less than 100% when the NBA season nears. If the Spurs feel like Manu is endangering his chances of being healthy for the Spurs next season, then he needs to make a decision. If he feels like the Olympics are more important than the Spurs, let someone else pay him. If it came right down to it and there were only two choices, I would rather the Spurs win the championship than the US Olympic team. Let's not forget that this is sports. Manu is not famous throughout the basketball world because of his gold medal...he is famous because he has 3 rings along with the gold medal.

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Manu is not famous throughout the basketball world because of his gold medal...he is famous because he has 3 rings along with the gold medal.

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As a Spurs fan and paying customer, I would say to this, i could care less about his fame. Him being 100% for the team I root for is all I care about, and him going and playing in these exhibition matches, is BS.

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Originally Posted by T Park

As a Spurs fan and paying customer, I would say to this, i could care less about his fame. Him being 100% for the team I root for is all I care about, and him going and playing in these exhibition matches, is BS.

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Neither you or the Spurs paid for the right to tell Manu to not play in the olimpics.

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Originally Posted by leo_d

Neither you or the Spurs paid for the right to tell Manu to not play in the olimpics.

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The Spurs pay his salary. Playing on the Olympic team is something HE wants to do. If he's healthy and it don't effect his status next NBA season, then fine...go have fun. However, if the Spurs don't care for his decision, then they can let someone else pay his salary...if you know what I mean.

It`s like someone you work for tells you that you can`t go and play football in your time off because it might hurt you and you wouldn`t be 100% healthy at work.

When the Spurs offered that contract to Manu they know there would be a lot of chances that he plays in the olimpics for his NT. The Manu package comes with some international tournaments. Deal with it or pay more to have the right to tell him not to play.

If it were written in a contract somewhere that he couldn't play in the Olympics, then I'd understand how someone could say, you can't play in the Olympics. However, its not so Manu has every right to play. He wants to defend his Nation's Gold Medal and I applaud him for that. I understand that his Gold Medal is more important that the NBA Championship because the Olympics puts you up against the best in the world. I don't think its wrong for Manu to want to play in the Olympics at all.

However, if he is jeopardizing his season with the Spurs, then that's where there is a problem. I don't want Manu to play this summer because that is the selfish part of me that wants him to be well rested and completely healthy for next season, but I understand if he does. Its his country.

If we somehow land Maggette, i want to see manu play in the olympics

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Originally Posted by leo_d

It`s like someone you work for tells you that you can`t go and play football in your time off because it might hurt you and you wouldn`t be 100% healthy at work.

When the Spurs offered that contract to Manu they know there would be a lot of chances that he plays in the olimpics for his NT. The Manu package comes with some international tournaments. Deal with it or pay more to have the right to tell him not to play.

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If I was jeopardizing my job due to my part time activities, they do have the right to send me packing...follow? Let me ask YOU this: If Manu is not 100% and he further aggravates the injury playing in the olympics and that carries on to the regular season, does that bother you at all as a Spurs fan?

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Originally Posted by MoSpur

However, if he is jeopardizing his season with the Spurs, then that's where there is a problem. I don't want Manu to play this summer because that is the selfish part of me that wants him to be well rested and completely healthy for next season, but I understand if he does. Its his country.

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That is the problem, he is not healthy right now and he was not healthy in the playoffs and that hurt us a lot. Him playing this summer isn't going to help his health/fatigue IMO. He gets paid a shit load of money to play for the Spurs, and if they ask him not to play,he should honor that.

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Originally Posted by SpursChampsIII

If I was jeopardizing my job due to my part time activities, they do have the right to send me packing...follow? Let me ask YOU this: If Manu is not 100% and he further aggravates the injury playing in the olympics and that carries on to the regular season, does that bother you at all as a Spurs fan?

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Look, I understand that the american spurs fans don`t want him to play the olimpics, and Manu should analize if he wants to jeopardize next season. But I think he should do that from a personal decision perspective, not from "hey I pay your salary and you gotta do what I tell you" because they didn`t pay for that. The price in his contract comes with the risk of Manu getting injured in international tournaments, if the Spurs didn`t want that risk they should`ve paid for it.

There are contracts where they tell the players that they can`t do risky sports like bungie jumping, this is the same, and if it`s not contemplated in his contract he can do what ever he likes with out breaking any loyalty to his employer.

What the Spurs could do is condition under the table a future contract to him not playing this olimpics, but I think that`s a cheap shot and it`s not very Spurs-like.

If you ask me maybe Manu playing international tournaments in the off season it`s what makes him start a little slow in the begining of the season and don`t burn out at the end of the first two months.

I just think if he is hurt he should think twice about in the olympics. I know they are important, but Spurs suffered with him this playoffs. they deserve the best Manu that Manu can be. If he was healthy I wouldn't care if the played, but he might have to make a decision.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Uh wrong.

It makes me a paying customer that demands to see the product I pay for be at 100%.

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Wrong.

Being under contract doesn't make Manu Ginobili a slave to the Spurs. If they were so worried about his international summers, they should have put it into his contract.

I'm a paying customer too, buddy.

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Originally Posted by spursfan09

I just think if he is hurt he should think twice about in the olympics. I know they are important, but Spurs suffered with him this playoffs. they deserve the best Manu that Manu can be. If he was healthy I wouldn't care if the played, but he might have to make a decision.

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I agree, because Argentina also deserves a healthy Manu.

Altough, I would like him to carry the flag even if he is not playing. He deserves it.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Explain to me EXACTLY how that makes me a coward, for wanting the players that I pay to watch at 100%.

I can't wait for this horseshit.

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You are a coward because you have no way of showing that manu playing the olympics means he will not be 100%, yet you repeat this constantly, and when people call you out on it, you dont reply.

you insist the manu is not loyal to the spurs, that he isnt committed to the spurs, when he just played 17 games on a bad ankle. if manu were the spineless coward you are, he wouldn't have played those games, and then you'd have an argument. You have no problem with manu sacrificing himself for the spurs, because you think he gets paid for that, when he could have easily sat himself out.

what do the spurs owe the argentine national team for developing ginobili? ya think that might have something to do with the CBA GUARANTEE FOR A PLAYER'S RIGHT TO PLAY FOR THEIR NT? if you have such a big problem with this, then go take it up with the players union instead of crucifying one of the stars on your team, and also the one that just risked his future for the chance at another 'ship.

if you had heart, you wouldn't have quit on this team.
if you had a spine, you wouldn't be complaining about an injury problem THAT DOESNT EXIST. (and it doesnt, because next season hasnt started)
if you had faith, you would trust pop and the big 4 to come through as they have 3 out of the last 6 years.
and if you had balls, you'd welcome the challenge of another season, knowing full well that injuries, bad refereeing, and plain dumb luck play a huge part in the result, and that bitching about them on a forum will do nothing to eliminate those risks.

now that i've answered you, how about you answer me:

-do you have any way of proving that manu's participation in the olympics will automatically result in an injured/unproductive season for him?

-do you have any way of showing that not going to the olympics will guarantee an injury-free season (for manu or any other player?)

-do you have any way of showing that manu is not fulfilling his contract by playing basketball in the summer?

-do you have any way of showing how the spurs would lose money if manu got injured in the olympics?

and finally,

-if the spurs primary concern is to keep their investments (err, players) at 100%, why did pop play manu in the playoffs? why didnt their doctors devise a proper treatment for him anywhere from april to now? why is it that other spurs that didnt play organized basketball in the summer still had injury problems, one of which also took an exceptionally long recovery time (duncan, barry)?

if you cant answer any of those questions, nor accept my bet , than i can only assume you are a coward, and a selfish one at that.

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Originally Posted by leo_d

I agree, because Argentina also deserves a healthy Manu.

Altough, I would like him to carry the flag even if he is not playing. He deserves it.

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ofcourse, I bet to carry the flag will be a huge honor for him.

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Originally Posted by xtremesteven33

If we somehow land Maggette, i want to see manu play in the olympics

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Well, even if we get Corey, I want a healthy Manu

But....

Playing for your country >>>>>>>> playing for your club

I am so glad Gino was chosen to carry the flag for Argentina. That will be a incredible experience and wonderful honor for him. :)

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Originally Posted by leo_d

Neither you or the Spurs paid for the right to tell Manu to not play in the olimpics.

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The Spurs aren't paying Ginobili 8.5 million!?

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Originally Posted by leo_d

It`s like someone you work for tells you that you can`t go and play football in your time off because it might hurt you and you wouldn`t be 100% healthy at work.

When the Spurs offered that contract to Manu they know there would be a lot of chances that he plays in the olimpics for his NT. The Manu package comes with some international tournaments. Deal with it or pay more to have the right to tell him not to play.

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Bullshit.

Ginobili right now wants a contract extension, and the Spurs oughtta tell him, you want the extension, you stay in SA.

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Originally Posted by ATX Spur

Wrong.

Being under contract doesn't make Manu Ginobili a slave to the Spurs. If they were so worried about his international summers, they should have put it into his contract.

I'm a paying customer too, buddy.

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A slave? :lmao

If getting 8.5 mill a year makes you a slave. Slap the fucking chains on me.

I have never understood people going crazy about international ball in the summer. If the players want to play, they certainly deserve the right to do so.

Do you all think if Manu didn't play for the Argentinean team this summer that he'd just be relaxing in a bubble somewhere? No ... he'd be playing basketball. Basketball players (good ones anyway) play basketball year round. Pickup games at local gyms, summer leagues at UCLA (where about 30+ NBA players play every summer), etc. Like Pop always says, I'd rather Manu (if he's healthy) be playing in an organized system like the national team rather than just playing in pick-up games somewhere where he's probably even more prone to getting injured.

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Originally Posted by diego

You are a coward because you have no way of showing that manu playing the olympics means he will not be 100%, yet you repeat this constantly, and when people call you out on it, you dont reply.

you insist the manu is not loyal to the spurs, that he isnt committed to the spurs, when he just played 17 games on a bad ankle. if manu were the spineless coward you are, he wouldn't have played those games, and then you'd have an argument. You have no problem with manu sacrificing himself for the spurs, because you think he gets paid for that, when he could have easily sat himself out.

what do the spurs owe the argentine national team for developing ginobili? ya think that might have something to do with the CBA GUARANTEE FOR A PLAYER'S RIGHT TO PLAY FOR THEIR NT? if you have such a big problem with this, then go take it up with the players union instead of crucifying one of the stars on your team, and also the one that just risked his future for the chance at another 'ship.

if you had heart, you wouldn't have quit on this team.
if you had a spine, you wouldn't be complaining about an injury problem THAT DOESNT EXIST. (and it doesnt, because next season hasnt started)
if you had faith, you would trust pop and the big 4 to come through as they have 3 out of the last 6 years.
and if you had balls, you'd welcome the challenge of another season, knowing full well that injuries, bad refereeing, and plain dumb luck play a huge part in the result, and that bitching about them on a forum will do nothing to eliminate those risks.

now that i've answered you, how about you answer me:

-do you have any way of proving that manu's participation in the olympics will automatically result in an injured/unproductive season for him?

-do you have any way of showing that not going to the olympics will guarantee an injury-free season (for manu or any other player?)

-do you have any way of showing that manu is not fulfilling his contract by playing basketball in the summer?

-do you have any way of showing how the spurs would lose money if manu got injured in the olympics?

and finally,

-if the spurs primary concern is to keep their investments (err, players) at 100%, why did pop play manu in the playoffs? why didnt their doctors devise a proper treatment for him anywhere from april to now? why is it that other spurs that didnt play organized basketball in the summer still had injury problems, one of which also took an exceptionally long recovery time (duncan, barry)?

if you cant answer any of those questions, nor accept my bet , than i can only assume you are a coward, and a selfish one at that.

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Alright, let me respond to this load of dreck bullshit.

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what do the spurs owe the argentine national team for developing ginobili?

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Nothing at all.

Could care less. He plays for the Spurs NOW, wtf does the national team before he was drafted have anything to do with it? That argument is

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-do you have any way of proving that manu's participation in the olympics will automatically result in an injured/unproductive season for him?

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Lets see, he takes one month off, plays for 3 months STRAIGHT, and thats not gonna make him tired for the season? Give me a fucking break.

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do you have any way of showing that not going to the olympics will guarantee an injury-free season (for manu or any other player?)

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Once again, playing for many months STRAIGHT, makes him TIRED. If you can't see that, then step away from the computer.

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-do you have any way of showing how the spurs would lose money if manu got injured in the olympics?

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Ginobili gets hurt, Spurs don't play as well, Spurs have worse record, Spurs attendance isn't good due to this.

Following this yet?

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-if the spurs primary concern is to keep their investments (err, players) at 100%, why did pop play manu in the playoffs? why didnt their doctors devise a proper treatment for him anywhere from april to now? why is it that other spurs that didnt play organized basketball in the summer still had injury problems, one of which also took an exceptionally long recovery time (duncan, barry)?

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Barry is 36, thats why HE got hurt.

Duncan the last time he was at the summer olympics, played mediocre the next season in 2004 2005 and struggled with injuries, ALL SEASON.

Ginobili is OLDER now, he was able to bounce back from things like that back in his 20s. Hes in his 30s now and hes got to stop treating his body like its 21.

PERIOD.