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Nice.
Backup plan in case Maggette shoots you down.
I assume they offered the LLE.
Maggette would start
Ginobili Delfino Oberto off the bench.
Niiiice :)
already posted in 2 seperate threads
So long Barry. :depressed
Interesting.
Delfino could still accept one of the ridiculous offers he gets overseas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bottomtooth
Hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
http://db.funformobile.com/images/smiles/wave.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bottomtooth
Honestly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bottomtooth
I could think of worse replacements.
so much for trying to improve the team..........
Delfinos a really good player. i would actually LOVE this if the spurs can also land Maggette.
talk about getting younger in a really short time! Delfino and Maggette from Finley and barry??
i dont know about yall but ill take it
for the LLE i have no problem with that... Fin should be back as an assist coach.. Barry.. damn i'll miss you Bones.. :depressed
it seems pretty good, but Maggette could go somewhere else in the NBA for more money, and Delfino could go somewhere overseas for much more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
We're basically in the same situation with both of them.
I dont think he is signed or anything....if its for more than the LLE i'm gonna be pissed...If his agent is looking at it, Im sure he's looking at some nice Euro offers as well....we'll seeQuote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
I'd much rather bring Barry back if possible.
I've said this before but I just don't like Delfino. He's nothing like any other Argentine player I've seen. He's not humble. He's not a team player. He doesn't have good fundamentals. The only real hope is that Ginobili and Oberto can keep him in line and have him focus on just playing. It might work ... or he could turn so emo during the season that the Spurs have to waive him.
Far from a sure thing but might be worth a LLE contract ... if other better options such as Roger Mason don't pan out.
i would too.but if you have the chance to sign Delfino and Maggette in one swoop and keep your BIG 3??Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
idk about you bro but thats a chance thats comes few and far inbetween
I have a question, doesnt this guy shoot a low percentage? How is he supposed to replace Barry if this is the case? I dont know much about this guy so please excuse my ignorance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
u might be harsh to judge him to quick. he does seem like he is a premadona. but im sure if hes put in the right enviorment he will buy into the system and be a great role player
what i don't like about this is that the Spurs seem to be sure that Hairstron won't make it by any meanings... that sucks...
Spurs are clearly targeting wings that can rebound.
If true... Delfino, Maggette are both good rebounders.
All 3 draft picks are very good rebounders for their positions.
That definitely seems like that's what they're aiming for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
This guy was such a baby in Detroit. Delfino's a legend in his own mind.
I wish we could get rid of Finley and somehow keep Barry
I've followed him pretty closely over the year so I don't think I'm judging him too quick. He was on the Pistons for all but one year of his career, so it wasn't like he was on horrible teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
Delfino is known commodity at this point. It's worth the roll of the dice for a reasonable contract if Ginobili and Oberto agree to it ... but you can't sugarcoat his career to this point.
Eh.
Boy, Spurs fans are going to go crazy if the Spurs are giving Delfino part of the MLE and not really making an offer to Maggette. :lmao
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
well let me ask you this than?
if you were the Spurs FO, who would you sign for the LLE?
Brent Barry or Carlos Delfino?
Ah, shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Barry, no question.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
I'm actually starting to think they might be doing just that. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Ok, it's not funny, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Delfino as the 5th swingman? I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Hells yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Depends who else comprises the swingman rotation. If the Spurs miss out on all the big names, might have to go with Delfino with the hope that he suddenly figures it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
exactly my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
RIGHT NOW barry is injury prone and not young anymore.
Delfino is young,strong, and can defend. problem is hes streaky at best. but hes athletic and can defend and hes a freakin argentinian!! cant go wrong with that.
He hasn't proved all the qualities all the other Argies in the NBA did, in fact, quite the opposite. He always had a tremendous potential, but always failed to deliver...hopefully with Manu and Fabricio around he changes the microchip in his head and doesn't end buried in Pop's doghouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
thats what im trying to say!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
the fact that hes argentinian will help us because he has the argentinain chemistry with Fab and Gino.
that alone is worth the LLE...:blah
Delfino for sure! He is much better going to the basket and creating contact and he is much stronger. Much like barry he has no mid range game to speak of but he can get to the basket and is 12 yrs youngerQuote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
Delfino arrives at the Spurs practice facility for the first time.
One of the coaches handles him #94 or something like that.
"No way, 20 is my number"
http://pistonsnotebook.files.wordpre...7/delfino1.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/act_carlos_delfino.jpg
Is #8 available? Just to indicate "Not even the half of #20"
:rollin
and the spurs are starting free agency just like they have every single year since summer '03.
Aim for the dregs, end up with crap.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded
Do you think Pietrus would work better than Delfino with us?Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Delfino seems like a guy destined to be in Pop's doghouse.
I still don't understand why the Spurs appear to have given up on Brent Barry :madrun
I hope this is not a fallback option to the pending Maggette acquisition. I admit I've not been impressed with this guy the few times I've seen him. Though he could be a nice addition off the bench.
I also wonder if the R.C and Pop ever call up previous coaches, GMs for their feedback on a particular player before signing him. I'm sure this level of "due diligence" is performed, but I've never heard about it before.
Having said that, I wonder why Delfino didn't work out at his previous two stops?
This guy looks like a giant fuckin douchebag, and we should avoid offering him anything for that reason alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
Sign Petrius.
If Maggette isn't possible, Delfino + Pietrus wouldn't be bad.
Last year it was Finley, Barry, Vaugn going into the season. Delfino, Pietrus, Hill is an upgrade in youth and athleticsm over that, and more importantly are upgrades in terms of trade assets. Maggette & Delfino would be a very successful off season.
Wouldn't it suck if the Spurs offered the LLE only to be outbid by Tau.....
If I may, I live near Detroit and have watched a lot of Delfino, including a handful of Raps games. What timVP says about his character and skill set is pretty much dead on. But even given all the warts mentioned, he's probably still a 2.5 or 3 million a year guy. To get him for the LLE would be well worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Three notes: 1) he is a glory-hound, but he's ultra competitive and will sometimes channel his inner-Ginobli when pissed off; 2) the best aspect of his game is his defense--but only when he wants it, he goes through periods of laziness--and can really bother guys when he turns it on 3) he's a streak three shooter, but fairly good in that area.
He'd fit in the offense if asked to play 15 to 20 minutes per night. In fact, I think he would be a marked improvement over Finley. In their primes, you take Fin 100/100 times, but at this point Delfino is a step or two up in terms of his own ability and in terms if spelling Ginobli.
I'm going long here, but I think Delfino is the sort of player that would really do well floating on the perimeter as Maggette and Parker get into the lane or teams collapse on Duncan. That should further elevate his production. Offensively, the Spurs would give every team in the league fits with Parker, Ginobli, Delfino and Maggette.
That's a lot to account for. Really, it's just an incredibly good roster. Any added production from Mahinmi or Hill, or second year improved play from Thomas or Udoka, would just be icing on the cake. There is no question that adding Maggette and Delfino would make this a championship team.
Damn Pop for standing pat and remaining old as dirt.
I agree wholeheartedly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365;2640698[B
:toast
What I didn't like about Delfino is that he seems to think he's a better shooter than he actually is. He sometimes take 2-3 ill advised shots that makes a 2-5 point game back to to a 10 point deficit. He's like a career 40% shooter.
How am I an attention whore? I point out the obvious to start a ruckus-infused spurstalk conversation.
And I am still not believing how many posters on this board still get excited about free agency. We are going to end up with another Udoka or Tony Massenburg and that is it.
As the timvp would say, I am making contrarian posts.
I can't imagine the FO didn't at least talk to Manu & Oberto before considering an offer. If Pop and those two are good with it, I'm good with it. Oberto plays better with manu on the floor and I imagine Delfino would too.
He's got your typical playground game--he's good at getting to the hoop and launching threes, but he has no mid range game to speak of. He's three point percentage is higher than his mid range percentage, I'm sure. I think he shot 40% or so from 3 last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by resistanze
Ultra competitive, takes pride in D... that's an LLE player!Quote:
Originally Posted by tav1
There's no way his character or attitude defects come close to J R Smith's.
Well, be careful. It's ego competitive, which is sometimes detrimental. But he does get that crazed Argentine stare going. And he *sometimes* takes pride in D. Without Maggette, Delfino would constiture a subpar signing. With Maggette, he's a great addition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Agree about Smith.
Was Delfino a big part of that arg team that won it all a few years ago? Barry and fin are playoff tested.
Delfino is a good athlete.
Not a big part. He was a role player coming from the bench, giving Manu rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_MONEY_TX
I wouldn't like this if it was part of the MLE, but if it's the LLE then I'd say a Delfino type of player is about the absolute ceiling in terms of talent & potential. Diop just got the entire MLE according to reports! Even Azubuike is expected to ask for at least 3 mil per. Toss in the familiarity with oberto & Ginobili, and I think you've got a steal.Quote:
Originally Posted by tav1
There is no way, that if the Spurs actually made him an offer, that it would be for less than half the MLE, which means bye bye Maggette, Smith, Childress or anyone like that...
That's what I'm thinking, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
The LLE would be too small for him, given the $70 million offer he got overseas. I'm thinking they're offering 2 years, half the MLE, and the opportunity to play with his buddies Manu and Fab to try and lure him to San Antonio.
That would ruin all my happy feelings if that were true. Not because I am set on J.R. or Corey, those would just be absolute bonuses, but because there are so many other players worth that money that could help out imo.
To someone with an alleged $70M offer, half the MLE and the LLE are indistinguishable.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
if they sign him, whats next? fabio?
where is whottt when you need him :devil
Oh, and MLE deals must be for three years, minimum. You can offer an opt out, but in some way shape or form, it must be three years.
By your estimation then exstatic, Delfino is unattainable. If he has a 70 million dollar offer, and no team can offer him more than the MLE than it does not matter the decision is made.
I like his strength and toughness on the perimeter if he can bring it on a consistent basis.. Pop, Manu and Fab will help keep him motivated and focused hopefully. A poor man's Nocioni but can definitely help the Spurs defend the LeBrons, Kobes etc.
WTF is Carlos Delfino thinking if he really got offered 70 million dollars in Europe.
I would not even consider the LLE or half of the MLE....anyone would be completely retarded to settle for that. But, I don't believe that 70 million offer is legit anyways.
However, if the Spurs could some how pull off this line-up.....I would be stoked!
Parker, Hill, Vaughn
Maggette, Ginobili, Hairston
Bowen, Delfino, Udoka
Duncan, Horry, Bonner
Oberto, Thomas, Mahinmi
Too damn good to be true.
ROFL @ the idea that Delfino is being offered $70M in Europe.
Artest received a 3 year, $73 million offer from the Athens Trojan Horses according to the forum's Greek correspondent.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
[QUOTE=Too damn good to be true.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Don't these Maggette talks reek of pre draft talks where we all got hopes up, put in our two cents only to find out the Spurs went a different direction. If we get Maggette, fantastic, if we do not, we should not have gotten our hopes up. We can still get some good players.
:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Someone was implying that it must be a partial MLE deal. I just pointed out the obvious. That's all I'm saying. I doubt he's unattainable, because I doubt there is any $70M offer on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I like Delfino because he didn't take any fucking shit from LB. I find that to be a good quality.
in that case he better take the europe contract cuz if he doesnt then he's stupid and i dont want stupid people on the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
delfino is talkn out of his ass
has there even a player in europe atm earning that much?
Delfino blows.
I'd rather have Barry. Maybe even Roger Mason.
If Maggette gets scooped up by someone else and the top restricted free agents such as JR Smith and Josh Childress are attainable, landing a combination of Delfino and Pietrus could work. Neither one is a great scorer but the defense would be improved, the rebounding would be a lot better and the Spurs would actually have some perimeter athletes.
That said, it's hard to imagine landing both. Delfino will likely attract MLE money when it's all said and done and so will Pietrus. The hope would be Delfino for the LLE and Pietrus for the MLE.
The good news is the Spurs are casting a large net this offseason should be able to get at least one quality swingman. It's unclear who but the notion of the Spur standing pat has pretty much been proven false.
just because he is an agie does not make him great
he is a big fucking baby
Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
No doubt..if Maggs is a no go, to me the next best move would be to get Pietrus & Delfino.
Delfino is everything I worry about in Maggette without the associated talent.
Buy low. The Raptors didn't give him the qualifying offer. Maybe some team offers him a big chunk of their MLE. I'm not sure. He has the skills to be an effective bench swingman for the Spurs. 25 years old.
As the primary swingman pickup this summer he'd be underwhelming. But as an additional one, he'd be a pretty good gamble.
DELFINO will work. obviously an upgrade than bringing back finley.
Ya but for how much? There is no way he takes a pay cut and he made almost 2 mil last year. One would have to believe any offer to be taken serious would have to be around 3 mil which eats up half the MLE and all the chances for Maggette or J.R. or Childress. This would be un dude like.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I don't think they've given up on him so much as they want to get younger and that means no Barry or Finley.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
I just hate the idea of Barry or Finley shooting 3's in a Houston, Dallas, or Laker uniform.
I'm not a fan of Delfino..his style is too similar to a poor man's Manu..not the way they play, but the fact that they're both severely erratic players..they're both risky players that can come out and give you a great game, but can also come out any game and have bad games..not much of a middle ground..
I'd rather have Manu and then a more consistent SG with him, like Brent Barry..
Delfino can shoot, dunk, rebound, slash, really good defender... He fits a lot of the needs of the Spurs, with Manu and Oberto he will be motivated and the chemistry off the bench would be insane.
I think Delfino would work, he has so much to prove.
I'm not down with this if we're going to lose our only 2 pure 3-point shooters.(Finley,Barry)
Does anyone remember 2004? Teams will just pack the paint like the Lakers did in the playoffs.
If we're fortunate enough to land Maggette, Barry and/or Finley (preferably Barry) has to be retained. We have to have some proven clutch 3-point shooting to keep defenses honest. Delfino and Pietrus dont fit the bill.
Both Delfino and Pietrus CAN hit the 3-ball. While they're not the prolific 3-ball shooters that Finley and Barry are, they DO have that range. On the flip side, they're not one-trick ponies either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLACKJACK21
So could Hedo. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Oh, and there's nothing wrong with having some proven one-trick ponies if you've got a Big 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Don't you mean he has so much to give?Quote:
Originally Posted by Typhoon
- apologies to late, great, Barry White
Delfino is pretty good defensively, can go to the hole, has pretty good handles, and is good on the break. He is a streak shooter as previously mentioned...and he shoots even when he is completely off to the detriment of the team at times.
He was in the doghouse for a while in Detroit, and seemed to be a bit on the mentally weak side, complaining about Larry Brown and others in Argentinian papers when things weren't going his way.
If we're going to get Delfino, can we get Hermann too? It'll simplify things for the second string, we can even bring in Magnano to coach them..
At this point any of the available FA will be an upgrade from last season.
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Maradona, strength and conditioning coach???