Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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07-03-2008
Marcus Bryant

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

GS, if they lose out on Brand (as I would expect them to), is in a prime position to go after some young RFAs. They are not a potential playoff team without Baron next season. The average age of their roster is like 22.

Josh Smith would make a lot of sense for them. So would Childress. Iguadola, etc.
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

What happens if the contract they sign Iggy to puts them over the cap? Will they be allowed to use the MLE only to sign a FA, or can they go over the cap to sign a guy like Maggette in that scenario as well?
07-03-2008
Kindergarten Cop

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by romad_20

Will Warriors court Igoudala, Josh Smith if Brand stays in LA?

Unrestricted free agent Elton Brand seemed likely to re-sign with the Los Angeles Clippers, despite what was being reported as a 5-year $100 million offer from the Golden State Warriors. But if the Warriors were to come up empty, they conceivably could turn their attention to Atlanta Hawks' Josh Smith or even Andre Iguodala of the Philadelphia 76ers.

Rob Pelinka, Iguodala's agent, indicated that there had been interest shown in his client other than by the Sixers, but declined to be specific; he did say he expected to meet with Sixers president/general manager Eddie Stefanski within the next week to 10 days.

Stefanski has said all along that his plan includes re-signing Iguodala and Lou Williams, the Sixers' two restricted free agents. Those developments, though, would come after a move to add an impact player to the roster, whether in free agency or in trade.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...osh_Smith.html
07-03-2008
Marcus Bryant

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

And then the Sixers go after Biendrins. It's one great incestuous orgy.
07-03-2008
romad_20

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...osh_Smith.html

thx. trying to work and surf the internets
07-03-2008
Kindergarten Cop

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

What happens if the contract they sign Iggy to puts them over the cap? Will they be allowed to use the MLE only to sign a FA, or can they go over the cap to sign a guy like Maggette in that scenario as well?

I'm fairly certain that as long as they sign the FA before they AI, they can use all the money under the cap. They can go over the cap matching an offer sheet, since AI is their own RFA. If they sign AI first and the contract takes them to, or over the cap then they are limited to the MLE.
07-03-2008
Kindergarten Cop

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by romad_20

thx. trying to work and surf the internets

NP. ;)
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

So is Philly allowed to go over the cap to sign Iggy and Josh Smith? How would that work?
07-03-2008
Marcus Bryant

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop

I'm fairly certain that as long as they sign the FA before they AI, they can use all the money under the cap. They can go over the cap matching an offer sheet, since AI is their own RFA. If they sign AI first and the contract takes them to, or over the cap then they are limited to the MLE.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#30
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

So they can sign Josh Smith to say an eleven million dollar contract with raises them to 45 million or so. Then they can offer a max contract to AI for 20 million after that?
07-03-2008
Kindergarten Cop

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

So they can sign Josh Smith to say an eleven million dollar contract with raises them to 45 million or so. Then they can offer a max contract to AI for 20 million after that?

Bruno or MB would be able to answer it for sure, but I believe so - as long as Atlanta doesn't match the offer sheet.
07-03-2008
oligarchy

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

Exceptions can only be used if you are over cap, with the exception of MLE only if you are under cap by an amount less than MLE. E.g., if cap is 59M and you have 54M and MLE is 6, you can spend 1M over cap, not 5MIL and then get the MLE.

As for Philly, they can't use any type of bird right if they spend up to their cap. As I said, exceptions don't work unless you are over cap. To match an offer, they have to have that amount under cap.
07-03-2008
Kindergarten Cop

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by oligarchy

Exceptions can only be used if you are over cap, with the exception of MLE only if you are under cap by an amount less than MLE. E.g., if cap is 59M and you have 54M and MLE is 6, you can spend 1M over cap, not 5MIL and then get the MLE.

As for Philly, they can't use any type of bird right if they spend up to their cap. As I said, exceptions don't work unless you are over cap. To match an offer, they have to have that amount under cap.

I stand corrected. I thought that a team can go over the cap to re-sign their own FAs. Why does this not work with offer sheets? Or is it they can match offer sheets only if they are already over the cap?
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

So they could not offer Josh a 16 million dollar contract then offer Iggy a 18 million dollar contract? How do teams get so far over the cap if there are all these rules in place then?
07-03-2008
tav1

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

This should be on a GS board...

I think the Warriors would be best served to trade Harrington for Hinirich; play Ellis at the two; resign Azubuike; offer Iggy and Smith big contracts in the 12 to 15 million range, hoping to land one of the two.

They'd return a team of Hinirich, Ellis, Smith, Wright and Biedrins, with a good bench. That's not bad. It's about as good as they have right now.

Smith and Iggy are both better players than Maggette.

From a Spurs perspective, I think this would also be best for us.
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

What about Stephen Jackson
07-03-2008
exstatic

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Seriously, no one in any major media is mentioning Iggy as a top free agent really. Could not Golden State make a run at him?

He had a shitty playoff run. That dinged his stock a bit. I'm thinking if you want a MAX deal, you should, at a minimum, put a team on your back and take them to the second round.
07-03-2008
exstatic

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

So they could not offer Josh a 16 million dollar contract then offer Iggy a 18 million dollar contract? How do teams get so far over the cap if there are all these rules in place then?

It takes years of signing your own players over the cap and adding MLE deals, but it can be done.
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

I agree with him taking a hit, but I doubt that anyone looking at him got scared off of offering him a big contract because of the playoff performance. He can be a key piece and could command a lot of money. Just surprised things have been so quiet around him.
07-03-2008
DPG21920

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

It takes years of signing your own players over the cap and adding MLE deals, but it can be done.

I know, but when you sign your own players and players to MLE deals doesn't that count against your cap but not put you into luxury tax? How do these teams get into luxury tax area if you are not allowed to sign players if you are over the cap?
07-03-2008
wildbill2u

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by inagra

Maggette ain't going to boston to come off the bench

Where is he gonna get his minutes here? Are we gonna play Magette insted of Ginobili?

Or Magette, Bowen, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili as the first option of small ball?
07-03-2008
Mavs<Spurs

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Where is he gonna get his minutes here? Are we gonna play Magette insted of Ginobili?

Or Magette, Bowen, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili as the first option of small ball?

Ginobili doesn't start.

Bowen won't play at the end of the game.

Probably finish with:

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Magette, and Udoka.
07-03-2008
Slinkyman

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Where is he gonna get his minutes here? Are we gonna play Magette insted of Ginobili?

Or Magette, Bowen, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili as the first option of small ball?

Finley played 27 minutes a game last season, Maggette would get those plus some.
07-03-2008
NuGGeTs-FaN

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

I hope the General Managers around the league are as low on JR smith as Stein is :lol

The way this is shaping up, i wouldnt be suprised if the Spurs missed out on Maggette and some team panicked and offered JR more than the MLE..... no way do the Nuggets match an offer for more than the MLE.
07-03-2008
Slinkyman

Re: Turn it down, Elton; Take it, Josh.

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Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN

I hope the General Managers around the league are as low on JR smith as Stein is :lol

The way this is shaping up, i wouldnt be suprised if the Spurs missed out on Maggette and some team panicked and offered JR more than the MLE..... no way do the Nuggets match an offer for more than the MLE.

i hope Golden State and Phily push hard for JR Smith :p:

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