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Originally Posted by spurman20
Needs work on its punctuation, though.
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Truly, this Agent's Handbook is all-knowing and wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurman20
Needs work on its punctuation, though.
Nocioni was pretty damn bad last year. He turned into a ballhog offensively and he didn't play defense. I used to really like him but last year it was scary seeing how bad he was.
That said, I'd probably still take him but I don't see how a trade would work.
Partially guaranteed $6 million sign and trade of Finley. :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Yeah, how would a trade work?
bring on nocioni he's perfect
It isn't likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
It's ok, the Spurs will offer him $73 million dollars for one season. Just like the Athens Gyros offered to Scola this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bottomtooth
That'd be nice but a sign-and-traded player has to sign for at least three years. The first year has to be fully guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
To get Nocioni, the Spurs would have to get pretty inventive. It'd require something like:
-San Antonio receives Andres Nocioni from Chicago
-Chicago receives Matt Bonner from San Antonio
-Golden State receives Thabo Sefolosha from Chicago and Michael Finley plus two second rounders from San Antonio
Finley would have to sign a three-year, $12M contract with the only the first year guaranteed. Golden State would have to actually want Sefolosha (or some other cheap talent on Chicago such as Tyrus Thomas) and be willing to eat the $4M Finley would be due.
The trade would trim around $7M from Chicago's cap and give them room to re-sign Deng. And the Spurs take on the long contract of Nocioni.
Pretty damn unlikely but that's the type of trade it'd take for the Spurs to land Nocioni.
Are you kidding? Nocioni is a BEAST and he is better player than DelfinoQuote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
It was hard to be a good player in Chicago Bulls. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Fully agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
I really wonder what happened with him. Is it because Chicago has had a bad year or is it because he got a fat contract ?
nocioni would be great.
I might be wrong but I beleive Chapu was injured last year. Not to mention EVERYONE in Chicago played horrible last year. I am sure this affected Chapu's play.
In a good environment he is a true BEAST. See Argentina National team.
But I do agree Maggette is a player who creates own whot and is faster and more athletic than Nocioni. On the other hand, Chapu is a proven clutch winner. tough call on who is better.
He was injured the year before (in 2006-2007).Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
AFAIK, he was healthy last year.
I love this clip. Young Chapu posterizing KG
This one is great :)
It'd be great if we could move in Nocioni and move out Bonner
not happening keep dreaming
I will keep dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by thekingrobert
I will keep dreaming.
And when I wake up, you better hope, you better hope ....
You better hope you're asleep.
- Mystery Men
Hell no! When you have guys like Maggette, Pietrus, Smith, Azkubuike, R.Mason, Posey, Childress all out there on the free agency market, why would you even consider it?
Nocioni wuold help no doubt... but Maggette > Nocioni
For the Spurs, and for any other team in the league.
Nocioni plays defense 10 times better than Magette and he's stronger. He is a better rebounder, passer and 3 point shooter.
Magette is faster and can create his own shot out of the dribble constantly.
Not going to happen. Bulls will ask something like Udoka+Thomas/Oberto and a 2nd round draft pick. They need to reduce the payroll but they aren't Memphis.
Before last year, I would have agreed. But last year Nocioni didn't play defense nearly as well as usual. I don't know if he was banged up or just pissed about being on a bad team but his defensive effort wasn't there. Last season, Nocioni's main concern when he entered games was firing up as many shots as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
Regarding rebounding, Nocioni is historically better but last year he didn't rebound nearly as well and was pretty much equal to Maggette in that category. Considering Nocioni played a lot of minutes at power forward, I'd say Maggette had a better rebounding year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
They are both sub par passers. Nocioni has never had more assists than turnovers. Maggette has ... but not consistently. I'd say they are about equal in that category.
Three-point shooting I agree.
The Bulls might be prepared to dump Nocioni for nothing. If Golden State offered to eat his contract, I'm not sure whether or not the Bulls would bite. They need money for Deng and Gordon and it seems like Paxson has started to figure out that having 45 small forwards on the roster wasn't the way to make the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
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Originally Posted by timvp
Maybe he saw how pathetic and lifeless his teammates were and figured he had to do it himself. Whatever it was, your right. Dude was a black-hole on offense last year.
I saw your 3-team trade proposal and it got me to thinking about Sefolosha again.
Can you see any way (if Maggette falls through) we could pull Sef. ala Hedo in a 3-team trade?
Last year Maggette was 5th among Small Forwards in PER ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Nocioni was 35th..... just amongst SF... so yea he was pretty terrible.
But when hes focused and playing to his capabilities.. he has intangibles Maggette doesnt have.
But Maggette is what the Spurs need, and in any case hes simply a better basketball player....
Last season... and every other season before that.